Seating depth! Seating depth! Seating depth! I know you're educated enough to know when it comes to trimming group sizes that Seating depth is extremely important yet in all your video talk no mention of Seating depth. A little tweak 2-4 thousands and that low es load could easily shoot consistently in the tenths.
Van Halen played a concert in my home town in 1980. That is where Eddie Van Halen met Valerie Bertinelli. Bertinelli's father was an executive with GM and had moved to Shreveport to open a GM production plant. And as they say, the rest of the story is now history.
Be great if you could max out without the tuner first by using charge, seating depth, neck tension, etc., and then jump to the tuner to keep the testing controlled.
This. That gun is baller, proper load development and it will shoot 160s…without a tuner, he did not collect nearly enough data. Gavin is finally entering the fclass realm…
I am extremely jealous of your equipment/gear. Good for you! I don’t have a clue how you get the money for all of these things but you sir are living the dream. Thanks for sharing.
When I shot 6.5x47 about a decade back or so, I found that H4350 worked better with heavier bullets and Varget worked better with the lighter bullets. I ended up with 130s with Varget at around 2920 FPS. I had a dual-role rifle that was for F-Class and PRS matches before they were called that. Also, primer can greatly impact ES/SD in the round. Back in the day, Wolf SRs seemed to be very popular. I personally found CCI 450s to work in my gun. Though I don’t shoot them anymore, 6.5x47 is probably my favorite all round cartridge. It was so easy to tune for. My rifle was barreled by GA Precision for a .292” no-turn neck and throated for the 140 VLD. Ultimately, I went to .260 Remington and ran AW magazines for more speed and better feeding because I moved toward primarily shooting PRS.
The level of craftmanship reflected in this project is certainly impressive. No surprise that results are excellent. Congratulations! It sure would be great to know where you're able to source 8 pound containers of both H4350 and Varget powder. We've not been able to find any of either one for well over a year, which is really frustrating. Best wishes to you for continued success. We really do appreciate your content, which is always helpful. Thanks!
That's a sweet rifle... I've been wanting to have a rifle built in 6×47 Lapua after watching a video on Erik Cortina's channel... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Number one that build is just awesome mate love it, I'd try seating depth next before the tuner from what I have researched and found myself with developing my .308 rounds for F Class shooting with my Berger Juggs. So temped to build my own stock like that now for my F Open rifle and keep up the awesome content can't wait to see the next part on the build.
Everything i read and heard about the x47 before my build was done, is true. My experience mirrors yours Gavin. Im running 130gr Hybrid and H4350. Lights out.
@@Ultimatereloader yes i am. Very happy with it. Its all the Berger quality youre used to. Tho i only had enough to dial a load and now im on every single waiting list for some projectiles. Months now.
That is a very impressive "toy, tool" the you have made. I would love to do the same but my budget doesn't even come close enough to buy a very good reloading kit, so getting all the machinery you have it's just a dream. But keep making that sort of videos I love it. 👍
Gavin I've been still trying to get mine running. BUT now I'm using BR4 and standard primers are the go not 450's as people say . Have a crack . Cheers
I use RL 17 with 140gn Barnes match burner. Very consistent load so far. I used the same barrel you did only 30". Love the round, wanting to do a 6x 47 next.
My 47 likes both 4350 and varget. You shot the faster powder with the heavier bullet. Reverse the combo and retest. Also someone already recommended the 120 Scenar L. It shoots phenomenal out to 1000 in mine with varget and BR4’s. Great choice on the cartridge, you won’t be sorry.
130 vld hunting with vit 550 work a treat in 6.5x 47 They are running at 2995 max Berger load + .2 and will toast the barrel in about 1800 rounds shooting PRS style comps
Definitely go with H4350 and 140 Berger Hybrid around 40 grains. Obviously start a tad lower and I seat mine in the .150 range and its a steady sub .3 inch at 100 yards.
I know nothing of this caliber, but for me, none of those groups are small enough. If it were me, I would do more load work and get it as right as possible before adding a tuner. Then it will be even better, but to take a tuner to tune in mediocre groups is a waste of time. You also might want to try the new Hornady A-Max match bullets. The ones with the machined aluminum ballistic tip. Just my 60 years of experience here. Also, keep any copper solvent out of that bore. I have used nothing but Hopes #9 forever. I used copper cleaner once and never again. My custom barreled Remington 700’s would break in and after about 40 rounds, no copper at all. Just needed a couple of wet patches then a dry patch and it was spotless. Ammonia will eat pits in the steel over time, causing the bore to collect more copper. Try more powders. You just tried two. My 22-250 custom, I had to go through about 7 different powders and 3 primers to see what MY rifle liked. You can do all the research you want about that caliber from gun sites, but your gun is unique. Your chamber is not the same as anyone else’s, so you need to work more on the loads to work in YOUR rifle. I also agree with someone else’s post about flat based bullets for BR shooting. Boat tails only make a difference for long range shooters. 1000 yards plus.
This is really promising. It's weird for me as I always have seen Berger bullets do well seating long and Hornady bullets seated short. Looking forward to what comes next. I have no problem seating short, that way I can seat to throat erosion.
I sure am impressed with your abilty to run the lathe and mill, you have come to be one hell of a gunsmith! it seemed to me that your rifle might like those berger bullets better, using those with the H4350 might be the ultimate combo, obviously you'll have to play with seating depth. the ELD M also might shoot just as well, just have to play with seating depth on those. although this is apples to oranges, i shoot 178gr ELD M in my .308, and it likes a 20thou jump the most. Most of us are scared to shoot much, with the unavailability of components. i have only been loading for rifle for about a yr and a half, so i havent even had the chance to stock up on components. im sure you have stuff pretty stockpiled though! i enjoyed the video, as always. Looking forward for more
Most shooters have no idea what 6.5x47 is capable of achieving. I started with 130gr ELD M (1:8" twist), then 147gr, but, now I sactrifce a little bit of accuracy and shoot 153gr A Tips (1:7.5" twist) so I can reach out to 1,000 and buck the wind a lot better for F Class. Best of all, barrel wear is just 5 thou in 900 rounds.
Great video. Looks like your 123 ELD load is the right ignition combo (bullet/powder/primer/case) so I’m curious why you’re looking at adding a tuner rather than just try changing seating depth for better accuracy? Have you not had success with that method in the past?
Stay with the h4350 stay with a bullet in the 120 range get Burger bullets start working back in .003 increments. Oversize the inside of the necks with a pin and then bring back with a neck bushing die so you have no neck shoulder junction interference good luck
Love your videos..... I wish you would go over some reloading basics from start to finish and your most used methods and tools. Also can you do a video on shooting from a bipod off the bench? I’m having a problem with the bipod jumping and causing flyers... The bench top at my gun club is made of Azek decking. Water proof but slippery... Thank you Joe Pep...
I'm trying to get a sweetspot with VV550 and Norma 130gr DL... Still trying... would be interesting to see what you find out with that! Thanks for a good show!
My masterpiece arms chassis and impact precision action 6.5x47 shoots 1/4 MOA with 140 hybrids and 38.8gn of H4350. Kinda slow at 2650fps but damn if it isn’t a laser. Love the 6.5x47. Goin to stretch out to 1250 yards and see what she does.
Perhaps adjusting the bullet jump/seating depth before adding a tuner? I have had good luck with Lapua scenars 123gr bullets, and also Barnes 140gr Matchburners with H4350.
Very informative video, and nice tribute paint job to Van Halen, one of the true innovators in modern electric guitar. I noticed a couple of omissions in the barrel specs: Krieger barrels are highly respected for accuracy across multiple disciplines of precision shooters...what was the finished barrel length, the outside barrel diameter, type of rifling and twist rate? Best wishes in continuing to search for the ultimate consistent accuracy out of your handloads and rifle; off to a very promising start and please post updates.
Vihtavuori N150. Lapua scenar 136grains 34-36,5grains of N150. Sierra mk 130grains 34-36,5grains of VV n150. Set to about 0,2mm of the lands or 0,2mm in to the lands-That is a diffecult measurement but around that neigburhood. That setup cant go wrong in my opinion. But thats in a 66cm 7,5twist barrel
You can't get get consistent results with the Hornady OAL tool (Stoney point). Alex Wheeler use to have a good TH-cam video on finding the lands by the stripped bolt method. I find this better for multiple reasons. First it's more accurate, second it gives you a number to track the throat for your notes. Notes, having good information can be a time savor and component savor .
I would test many berger bullets with different shapes & weight to find the right one (without polymer tip). I've got the same kind of issues with my first 6.5 (the Creedmoor). It was very difficult to tune my loads. I changed powders, primers, seating depth, etc. until I tried a different bullet shape. I dont know if it has something to do with the leade angle or throat length, but I never had this kind of problem with the .308W or the 6BR.
When you did your barrel break in cleaning, did you just run a wet patch then dry patch all the way through the break in? Or did you use a nylon brush at any time?
@Robert Busato i was thinking the same thing but they never show the whole process. It looked like he had brass brushes in his little wooden table stand but no nylon brushes i saw.
Hey Gavin, Have you tried testing the 6.5x47 with the Vihtavuori powder range - especially their N500 series? I have also found that the Lapua 139gr Scenar's work very well in the '47 too...
My 6.5X47L arrives this Sunday therefore very interested in this content (and your reloading videos). From my research, 6.5x47 is ideal for 123 -130gr bullets, 140's are tad heavy (?), I'll follow closely how you go with the 140's. Would be interested if you run the Hordady A-Tip 135gr? Thanks for vid's, they have assisted my reloading and shooting.
140's are for F-class and PRS match long distance. He's building a benchrest gun., so 100 to 136gr is his sweet spot there. He DID go with a faster twist barrel, which is generally more for the longer heavier bullets. Most BR guys like to play with the ragged edge of stability, shooting a twist just fast enough to stabilize the heaviest weight they'll shoot, and shoot bullets to the lighter weights.
@@scottcrawford3745 Cool, I have a 28" 1:8. The 140's Hornady ELD-M's are about the only ones available in 6.5 here in Australia, there are a few 143's and 153's. Berger and Lapua pills are rare as rocking horse pooh.
@@Central_Desert Sierra, Barnes, Nosler all do at least 2 match bullets for 6.5, one in a lighter weight and 1 heavy. Might scrounge some of those up ? With an 8-twist you can ignore the 153's.. they're not very likely to stabilize with anything over a 7 twist. Your 28" barrel length at least means you can push them fast enough to try all of the 140's and maybe the 142-143 ones. Some 8-twist barrels love the lighter bullets like 123's and 136's and shoot them into little tiny groups... don't ignore them. Same as the 155 Palma bullets by Sierra for the .308 Win seem light, but are engineered for the long range to keep them supersonic to 1000 yards. If you can push a 123 to 3000 fps, that should stay above Mach til a grand, too. The 6.5 pills are very slippery with amazing BC's we could only dream about in the 1990's.
That is a beautiful rifle! Gavin, I live in California and as you know we have to use copper bullets to hunt with. I just got the new Lyman reloaded book and there is zero info about copper bullets. Do you have any info on reloading with copper bullets. Can you do a video on the same? Thanks
I’ve been contemplating getting into the 6.5x47 or maybe a 6x47 and I have no idea why but for some reason in my head the 130 grain range seems like the ticket for the 6.5. There’s a chance I’ll be wrong but the 130 Berger is just stuck in my head. I’ll probably test it first on a brand new barrel and have non bullet problems and get all pissed and throw the rest of the box in the creek but what can you do 😂
That rifle is an absolutely beautiful rifle with some very high end components, why not put an optic on it that is worthy such as a Khales MOAK 10x50x56?
I think with these 6.5s (fast bullets & twist rate) choosing the right reamer specifications (leade angle, free bore) and kind of rifling is very important. What kind of rifling is it, 5R ?
Just adjust seating depth to tighten the group. Tuners shouldn’t be the go-to as a resolution for big groups. They should be used as a last resort if your groups open up slightly. They’re brilliant devices but they make people lazy and stop load developing properly.
Good evening, I am a fan of your channel and I would like to ask you how I could have a rifle like this, or how much is it worth to send to do it, forgive me for my English, a huge hug
@@Ultimatereloader Thank you and good to know. I realize alot of F Class shooters also go with Second focal plane, thought maybe you'd be going that way too. Great channel BTW
I like the channel and the content is good but I don't understand the choice of format. As in the videos are "this is what happened" vs let's do it together. Idk just less fun to watch i guess.
I’m a big fan of your channel but your making a lot of odd choices for benchrest. Benchrest rifles are typically 6mm, 1.250” straight 22” barrel and flat base bullets.
@@Ultimatereloader makes sense. I’m a F Class competitor. Try 284 Win with 180 Berger Hybrids sometime, you’ll like what you find for precision up to and beyond 1k yards.
Barrel break-in is a myth - load and shoot. 130gr pills work better in the 6.5x47 - get some VLDs and jam them with H4350 and get an Edgewood stock protector to help protect the finish on your rifle when cleaning it with the rod. Since you're using one of Alex's stock, you may as well use his method on finding the lands - more consistent than the Hornady OAL gauge.
Barrel break in is not a myth. Same thing as for "cold bore shot" : it depends on the barrel. I've seen a video of a guy showing no cold bore effect with his rifle, he simply concluded that it was a myth ! About barrel break-in, I have 2 Lothar Walther that began shooting better after 500 rounds. After asking other shooters I learnt that it was better to do a break in with this brand.
@@br4713 Agree to disagree then (as would Erik Cortina). My last 4 barrels (2 x Krieger, 1 x Brux and 1 x Bartlein) did not require 'break-in'. Yes they sped up after 150 rounds or so but that's separate to what people refer to as 'break-in'. I've suffered no ill effect with accuracy or fouling and have won F-class Open matches with these barrels. I don't know anyone shooting Lothar Walther - they're not on any of the top F-class rifles out there.
@@kriswilson5400 Lothar Walther aren't the best, but that's all we have here in France. American barrels are way to difficult to import here. Maybe on the best brands you've mentioned you didn't noticed any significant accuracy change, but it doesn't mean it's a myth generally speaking, it depends on the barrel. Also there's the guy of "winning in the wind" channel who made a video about that, showing clearly the machining marks on a high grade barrel with a bore scope before the break in procedure..
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After watching you literally “build” a rifle, I’ll forever refer to what I do as “assembling.”
That paint job looks really, really cool. And I am 76 years old.
Seating depth! Seating depth! Seating depth! I know you're educated enough to know when it comes to trimming group sizes that Seating depth is extremely important yet in all your video talk no mention of Seating depth. A little tweak 2-4 thousands and that low es load could easily shoot consistently in the tenths.
Van Halen played a concert in my home town in 1980. That is where Eddie Van Halen met Valerie Bertinelli. Bertinelli's father was an executive with GM and had moved to Shreveport to open a GM production plant. And as they say, the rest of the story is now history.
7:05 ..."and then I had a much larger group.." That would probably be the best 5 shot group achievable by me. Great shooting.
Be great if you could max out without the tuner first by using charge, seating depth, neck tension, etc., and then jump to the tuner to keep the testing controlled.
This. I don't understand why he wouldn't try to tune seating depth first...?
This. That gun is baller, proper load development and it will shoot 160s…without a tuner, he did not collect nearly enough data. Gavin is finally entering the fclass realm…
I am extremely jealous of your equipment/gear. Good for you! I don’t have a clue how you get the money for all of these things but you sir are living the dream. Thanks for sharing.
Looking forward to the EC Tuner test.
Please try the EC Tuner, and DON'T change too many things at a time, you will only get frustrated........
Show should be called Ultimate Gun Builder since you never do any reloading. 😊
When I shot 6.5x47 about a decade back or so, I found that H4350 worked better with heavier bullets and Varget worked better with the lighter bullets. I ended up with 130s with Varget at around 2920 FPS. I had a dual-role rifle that was for F-Class and PRS matches before they were called that.
Also, primer can greatly impact ES/SD in the round. Back in the day, Wolf SRs seemed to be very popular. I personally found CCI 450s to work in my gun.
Though I don’t shoot them anymore, 6.5x47 is probably my favorite all round cartridge. It was so easy to tune for. My rifle was barreled by GA Precision for a .292” no-turn neck and throated for the 140 VLD.
Ultimately, I went to .260 Remington and ran AW magazines for more speed and better feeding because I moved toward primarily shooting PRS.
Also try the N555 powder.
Id go for a flat base bullet for benchrest
That Paint Job,... is Rockin!!
Start with seating depth tuning first before the EC tuner
Erik Cortina has some really good loading info. Like how he finds his node. Not to neck size. He is a world of knowledge. He has his own tuner.
He said he has an "ECTuner" I think he knows where it comes from.
@@thewatcher611 i didn't hear that that, thanks
Try some berger 130vld's and Varget. Some where around 37.5gr always shot amazing in my 3 6.5x47's.
Just finished my 260 rem today and loaded ammo for it. Can't wait to go to the range.
I own 2 Sightron S3's with that reticle, absolutely terrific scopes.
The level of craftmanship reflected in this project is certainly impressive. No surprise that results are excellent. Congratulations! It sure would be great to know where you're able to source 8 pound containers of both H4350 and Varget powder. We've not been able to find any of either one for well over a year, which is really frustrating. Best wishes to you for continued success. We really do appreciate your content, which is always helpful. Thanks!
Could have just tried backing the eld-m off the lands
It’s who you know
Hard getting our 4kg here in Australia and we make the stuff.
Lapua ScenarL 120gr and Vithavuori n-150 .380 5 shots @ 100m and 1.8" 7 shots @400m
Love it….. whooo RIP eddy
Epic build!
Would love to see a separate review of the sightron...
That's a sweet rifle... I've been wanting to have a rifle built in 6×47 Lapua after watching a video on Erik Cortina's channel... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
@Jeremy Chapman yeah I think that's his F-Class rifle but the 6×47 Lapua is a PRS rifle he shoots... Take care brother!!!
Number one that build is just awesome mate love it, I'd try seating depth next before the tuner from what I have researched and found myself with developing my .308 rounds for F Class shooting with my Berger Juggs. So temped to build my own stock like that now for my F Open rifle and keep up the awesome content can't wait to see the next part on the build.
Hi Gavin. Good job. In mine, I use 39.3 of H 4350 with 130 Berger VLD hunters. Always LOW EDs and ESs. Tiny holes, too. Enjoy🇺🇸
Everything i read and heard about the x47 before my build was done, is true. My experience mirrors yours Gavin. Im running 130gr Hybrid and H4350. Lights out.
Cool- you're shooting the 130 Hybrid OTM Tactical?
@@Ultimatereloader that seems to be the sweet spot for the cartridge.
@@Ultimatereloader yes i am. Very happy with it. Its all the Berger quality youre used to. Tho i only had enough to dial a load and now im on every single waiting list for some projectiles. Months now.
wow thats impressive I am happy for you. you seem excited again have fun my friend
That is a very impressive "toy, tool" the you have made.
I would love to do the same but my budget doesn't even come close enough to buy a very good reloading kit, so getting all the machinery you have it's just a dream. But keep making that sort of videos I love it. 👍
You should definitely try 4350 and the 140 hybrids and 130 otms
I don’t know if you plan on competing, but don’t forget to check you rules about muzzle devices. Some places won’t let you use some types of things.
Gavin I've been still trying to get mine running. BUT now I'm using BR4 and standard primers are the go not 450's as people say . Have a crack . Cheers
Benchrest also gets complicated when we look at how much human contact is applied, mainly why i find benchrest shooting awkward
I use RL 17 with 140gn Barnes match burner. Very consistent load so far. I used the same barrel you did only 30". Love the round, wanting to do a 6x 47 next.
My 47 likes both 4350 and varget. You shot the faster powder with the heavier bullet. Reverse the combo and retest. Also someone already recommended the 120 Scenar L. It shoots phenomenal out to 1000 in mine with varget and BR4’s. Great choice on the cartridge, you won’t be sorry.
130 vld hunting with vit 550 work a treat in 6.5x 47
They are running at 2995 max Berger load + .2 and will toast the barrel in about 1800 rounds shooting PRS style comps
Waiting to see the tuner . I have a 6.5x47 want to see your results and then I'll try a brass tuner ring . BRING IT ON
Definitely go with H4350 and 140 Berger Hybrid around 40 grains. Obviously start a tad lower and I seat mine in the .150 range and its a steady sub .3 inch at 100 yards.
I know nothing of this caliber, but for me, none of those groups are small enough. If it were me, I would do more load work and get it as right as possible before adding a tuner. Then it will be even better, but to take a tuner to tune in mediocre groups is a waste of time. You also might want to try the new Hornady A-Max match bullets. The ones with the machined aluminum ballistic tip. Just my 60 years of experience here. Also, keep any copper solvent out of that bore. I have used nothing but Hopes #9 forever. I used copper cleaner once and never again. My custom barreled Remington 700’s would break in and after about 40 rounds, no copper at all. Just needed a couple of wet patches then a dry patch and it was spotless. Ammonia will eat pits in the steel over time, causing the bore to collect more copper.
Try more powders. You just tried two. My 22-250 custom, I had to go through about 7 different powders and 3 primers to see what MY rifle liked. You can do all the research you want about that caliber from gun sites, but your gun is unique. Your chamber is not the same as anyone else’s, so you need to work more on the loads to work in YOUR rifle.
I also agree with someone else’s post about flat based bullets for BR shooting. Boat tails only make a difference for long range shooters. 1000 yards plus.
Surprised you didn't want to try the lapua scenars. Read lots about people having good luck with those in their x47's.
I do enjoy the content, but want to see more shooting in your vids.
This is really promising. It's weird for me as I always have seen Berger bullets do well seating long and Hornady bullets seated short. Looking forward to what comes next. I have no problem seating short, that way I can seat to throat erosion.
I sure am impressed with your abilty to run the lathe and mill, you have come to be one hell of a gunsmith!
it seemed to me that your rifle might like those berger bullets better, using those with the H4350 might be the ultimate combo, obviously you'll have to play with seating depth.
the ELD M also might shoot just as well, just have to play with seating depth on those. although this is apples to oranges, i shoot 178gr ELD M in my .308, and it likes a 20thou jump the most.
Most of us are scared to shoot much, with the unavailability of components. i have only been loading for rifle for about a yr and a half, so i havent even had the chance to stock up on components. im sure you have stuff pretty stockpiled though!
i enjoyed the video, as always. Looking forward for more
Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Most shooters have no idea what 6.5x47 is capable of achieving. I started with 130gr ELD M (1:8" twist), then 147gr, but, now I sactrifce a little bit of accuracy and shoot 153gr A Tips (1:7.5" twist) so I can reach out to 1,000 and buck the wind a lot better for F Class. Best of all, barrel wear is just 5 thou in 900 rounds.
Great video. Looks like your 123 ELD load is the right ignition combo (bullet/powder/primer/case) so I’m curious why you’re looking at adding a tuner rather than just try changing seating depth for better accuracy? Have you not had success with that method in the past?
There he goes again... flexing on us, showing off how much varget hes got.
Stay with the h4350 stay with a bullet in the 120 range get Burger bullets start working back in .003 increments. Oversize the inside of the necks with a pin and then bring back with a neck bushing die so you have no neck shoulder junction interference good luck
Seating depth test before a tuner.
Thanks for sharing
Love your videos..... I wish you would go over some reloading basics from start to finish and your most used methods and tools. Also can you do a video on shooting from a bipod off the bench? I’m having a problem with the bipod jumping and causing flyers... The bench top at my gun club is made of Azek decking. Water proof but slippery...
Thank you Joe Pep...
I'm trying to get a sweetspot with VV550 and Norma 130gr DL...
Still trying... would be interesting to see what you find out with that!
Thanks for a good show!
Right on, dude!!!
My masterpiece arms chassis and impact precision action 6.5x47 shoots 1/4 MOA with 140 hybrids and 38.8gn of H4350. Kinda slow at 2650fps but damn if it isn’t a laser. Love the 6.5x47. Goin to stretch out to 1250 yards and see what she does.
Nice build, sweet rifle, i like it.
Perhaps adjusting the bullet jump/seating depth before adding a tuner? I have had good luck with Lapua scenars 123gr bullets, and also Barnes 140gr Matchburners with H4350.
Classic 6.5x47. Either right or wrong with a small window and always chasing the load
Most 6.5X47 Lap shooters here Down Under use H4350 with heavier than 130gr bullets; Varget is too fast.
Try the 4350 with the 135 A-Tips?
Very informative video, and nice tribute paint job to Van Halen, one of the true innovators in modern electric guitar. I noticed a couple of omissions in the barrel specs: Krieger barrels are highly respected for accuracy across multiple disciplines of precision shooters...what was the finished barrel length, the outside barrel diameter, type of rifling and twist rate? Best wishes in continuing to search for the ultimate consistent accuracy out of your handloads and rifle; off to a very promising start and please post updates.
Vihtavuori N150.
Lapua scenar 136grains 34-36,5grains of N150.
Sierra mk 130grains 34-36,5grains of VV n150.
Set to about 0,2mm of the lands or 0,2mm in to the lands-That is a diffecult measurement but around that neigburhood.
That setup cant go wrong in my opinion. But thats in a 66cm 7,5twist barrel
You can't get get consistent results with the Hornady OAL tool (Stoney point). Alex Wheeler use to have a good TH-cam video on finding the lands by the stripped bolt method. I find this better for multiple reasons. First it's more accurate, second it gives you a number to track the throat for your notes. Notes, having good information can be a time savor and component savor .
I would test many berger bullets with different shapes & weight to find the right one (without polymer tip). I've got the same kind of issues with my first 6.5 (the Creedmoor). It was very difficult to tune my loads. I changed powders, primers, seating depth, etc. until I tried a different bullet shape. I dont know if it has something to do with the leade angle or throat length, but I never had this kind of problem with the .308W or the 6BR.
I'm not seeing part 3 - did it get unlisted or something? Edit: Nvm, found it - why does it have a completely different naming convention? :\
When you did your barrel break in cleaning, did you just run a wet patch then dry patch all the way through the break in? Or did you use a nylon brush at any time?
@Robert Busato i was thinking the same thing but they never show the whole process. It looked like he had brass brushes in his little wooden table stand but no nylon brushes i saw.
Yes, very curious about your cleaning between shooting sessions during break in.
Ultra FRINE crosshair?!?!
For my 6,5x47 i use Vihtavuory n 140, 34,5 gr... bullet speed is low (815 mt/s) but sd is exelent (1,1 - 1,2). Bullet is 139 gr scenar lapua.
Hey Gavin,
Have you tried testing the 6.5x47 with the Vihtavuori powder range - especially their N500 series? I have also found that the Lapua 139gr Scenar's work very well in the '47 too...
Would love to see some copper equilibrium established before adding your tuner. But maybe benchrest guys don’t do that
My 6.5X47L arrives this Sunday therefore very interested in this content (and your reloading videos). From my research, 6.5x47 is ideal for 123 -130gr bullets, 140's are tad heavy (?), I'll follow closely how you go with the 140's. Would be interested if you run the Hordady A-Tip 135gr? Thanks for vid's, they have assisted my reloading and shooting.
140's are for F-class and PRS match long distance. He's building a benchrest gun., so 100 to 136gr is his sweet spot there. He DID go with a faster twist barrel, which is generally more for the longer heavier bullets. Most BR guys like to play with the ragged edge of stability, shooting a twist just fast enough to stabilize the heaviest weight they'll shoot, and shoot bullets to the lighter weights.
@@scottcrawford3745 Cool, I have a 28" 1:8. The 140's Hornady ELD-M's are about the only ones available in 6.5 here in Australia, there are a few 143's and 153's. Berger and Lapua pills are rare as rocking horse pooh.
@@Central_Desert Sierra, Barnes, Nosler all do at least 2 match bullets for 6.5, one in a lighter weight and 1 heavy. Might scrounge some of those up ?
With an 8-twist you can ignore the 153's.. they're not very likely to stabilize with anything over a 7 twist.
Your 28" barrel length at least means you can push them fast enough to try all of the 140's and maybe the 142-143 ones. Some 8-twist barrels love the lighter bullets like 123's and 136's and shoot them into little tiny groups... don't ignore them. Same as the 155 Palma bullets by Sierra for the .308 Win seem light, but are engineered for the long range to keep them supersonic to 1000 yards. If you can push a 123 to 3000 fps, that should stay above Mach til a grand, too. The 6.5 pills are very slippery with amazing BC's we could only dream about in the 1990's.
That is a beautiful rifle!
Gavin, I live in California and as you know we have to use copper bullets to hunt with. I just got the new Lyman reloaded book and there is zero info about copper bullets. Do you have any info on reloading with copper bullets. Can you do a video on the same? Thanks
I’ve been contemplating getting into the 6.5x47 or maybe a 6x47 and I have no idea why but for some reason in my head the 130 grain range seems like the ticket for the 6.5. There’s a chance I’ll be wrong but the 130 Berger is just stuck in my head. I’ll probably test it first on a brand new barrel and have non bullet problems and get all pissed and throw the rest of the box in the creek but what can you do 😂
Wahoo!
Is that a standart CIP spec reamer and throater you used? I order special tooling for my BR builds
Why not adjust your seating depth?
Yes, that will be a part of load development, this was break-in :)
@@Ultimatereloader Awesome. You have this mega reloading channel and I would love to see extremely methodical load development for this rifle.
That rifle is an absolutely beautiful rifle with some very high end components, why not put an optic on it that is worthy such as a Khales MOAK 10x50x56?
What about varget with the eld and h4350 w/ berger? Also, how consistent was your chrono?
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Did you do any seating depth testing?
Hornady A tip 135grns I wonder how those would work?
Lol here comes the bench rest rabbit hole
I think with these 6.5s (fast bullets & twist rate) choosing the right reamer specifications (leade angle, free bore) and kind of rifling is very important. What kind of rifling is it, 5R ?
Where is the rifle build for the ex action
Just adjust seating depth to tighten the group. Tuners shouldn’t be the go-to as a resolution for big groups. They should be used as a last resort if your groups open up slightly. They’re brilliant devices but they make people lazy and stop load developing properly.
Why such a big objective. 60
Test vv150 powder
Its Sightron S5 and not "v" (wee..) Its a Roman numbers in the title like Sightron SIII = S3...
Capish?
Sorry I think I missed it what distance were you at? Are you going to make or buy your tuner if you go that way?
130 berger otm and h4350
Good evening, I am a fan of your channel and I would like to ask you how I could have a rifle like this, or how much is it worth to send to do it, forgive me for my English, a huge hug
This is 6.5 Suede isn't it?
No. 6.5 X 47 Lapua
mate if you cant get .250 5 shots groups min with that rifle ! with out the tuner .... something is a bit out of wack ...
Have you done any sorting of the brass by weight and checking for runout on the neck thickness ?
Abandon the 6.5 world and join 6gt world. While you are at it, wouldn't hurt if a jug of varget fell out of the ranger into my pick up
I am curious as to why you chose a second focal plane scope?
Being a test bed rifle for 100y mostly, I don't need FFP. Trade-offs!
@@Ultimatereloader Thank you and good to know. I realize alot of F Class shooters also go with Second focal plane, thought maybe you'd be going that way too. Great channel BTW
How about an 80 thou jump?
I like the channel and the content is good but I don't understand the choice of format. As in the videos are "this is what happened" vs let's do it together. Idk just less fun to watch i guess.
I’m a big fan of your channel but your making a lot of odd choices for benchrest. Benchrest rifles are typically 6mm, 1.250” straight 22” barrel and flat base bullets.
Yes to oddities- this isn't for matches, it's a test bed rifle for any cartridge I feel like testing :) Else, yes, I'd be doing a 6BR or similar :)
@@Ultimatereloader makes sense. I’m a F Class competitor. Try 284 Win with 180 Berger Hybrids sometime, you’ll like what you find for precision up to and beyond 1k yards.
Seating depths?
Barrel break-in is a myth - load and shoot. 130gr pills work better in the 6.5x47 - get some VLDs and jam them with H4350 and get an Edgewood stock protector to help protect the finish on your rifle when cleaning it with the rod. Since you're using one of Alex's stock, you may as well use his method on finding the lands - more consistent than the Hornady OAL gauge.
Barrel break in is not a myth. Same thing as for "cold bore shot" : it depends on the barrel. I've seen a video of a guy showing no cold bore effect with his rifle, he simply concluded that it was a myth ! About barrel break-in, I have 2 Lothar Walther that began shooting better after 500 rounds. After asking other shooters I learnt that it was better to do a break in with this brand.
@@br4713 Agree to disagree then (as would Erik Cortina). My last 4 barrels (2 x Krieger, 1 x Brux and 1 x Bartlein) did not require 'break-in'. Yes they sped up after 150 rounds or so but that's separate to what people refer to as 'break-in'. I've suffered no ill effect with accuracy or fouling and have won F-class Open matches with these barrels. I don't know anyone shooting Lothar Walther - they're not on any of the top F-class rifles out there.
@@kriswilson5400 Lothar Walther aren't the best, but that's all we have here in France. American barrels are way to difficult to import here. Maybe on the best brands you've mentioned you didn't noticed any significant accuracy change, but it doesn't mean it's a myth generally speaking, it depends on the barrel. Also there's the guy of "winning in the wind" channel who made a video about that, showing clearly the machining marks on a high grade barrel with a bore scope before the break in procedure..
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😭😭 don't put barrel tuner on till you've tuned seating depth!! Have patience, it'll come together without any ugly gadgetry!!