Hi, I am a service technician at a deutz dealer, I would highly recommend you complete the recommended timing check after touching any of the timing belt components.
I have my cam bolt turn just a little over 90° and that’s under a lot of torque maybe 200 foot pounds. I feel like I can’t go anymore to reach 210°. What should I do?
my first time to over hauling the engine deutz 1110f but I don't know how to time the proper timing but 1 hrs ago I've watch your video. if the cam pin is goes in and also crankshaft that's the proper timing?can u please answer me
It was all sounding easy till you threw in that torque to 22lbs then torque again to 210°????? What was that? Also if belt tension was at the 3.5 mark when set how did it jump to 6.5-9.5???
Duetz engines use angle torque on all critical bolts. We have a snap on angle torque wrench that makes it easy to do . I'm not sure why the tension goes higher. Might be after you pull the pins and rotate, the tension equals out. That is the way the Duetz manual says to do it .. but the tensions are slightly higher.
Well where does one get the tension tool? Also when the timing is off the valve hits the piston and you bend a push rod but what happens to the valve and the piston? Is this process the same on the 2011 engine?
The push rods take the damage. The pistons hit the valves flat. I've seen it happen several times. New timing belt. Push rods .... Good to go . 2011 same. You would probably have to order the tension gauge from a Duetz dealer.
I do not understand why the locking bolt needs to be loosened on the cam pulley . Surely once the crank & cam are timed then that is all that is needed to fit the toothed belt
If you change one of these belts out you'll see why. The new belt and the original one won't be identical. If you had the crank and cam locked in position and took the original belt off and put a replacement one on, you'd need to move the crank or cam slightly to get the toothed belt on. By loosening the bolt in the pulley, you're moving the pulley all by itself to put the new belt on...you aren't moving the crank or cam. That way the engine timing is exactly where it should be, rather than just being "close enough".
The timing on a German diesel is critical. Change the cam timing 2 degrees on a Mercedes diesel and you lose a lot of power. If you don't loosen the cam bolt, it'll still run, but you may or may not get the rated power from the motor. It's a pain in the neck, but why not do it right while you're in there? Adjust the valves , too.
It is call the torque turn method. It is supposed to be more accurate then, say torquing it to 250 ft lbs. When you torque to a low number and the engineer determined that 280 degrees of an additional turn, will bring it more accurately to the example figure of 250 ft lbs.
TTY - Torque To Yield. You are in fact stretching the bolt permanently (plastic deformation), as opposed to a typical bolt returning to its original length after being tightened and then loosened. Many of these types of bolts can only be used once, or possibly a few times because each time you use it you actually permanently stretch the bolt and eventually run out of material to stretch eventually resulting in bolt failure. The bolt will yield and stretch at a given force; this force is the clamping force. This stretching is determined by getting to a predetermined torque and then going past that entering the bolts yielding phase. The sweet spot is likely well before 210 degrees - they just add a bit to ensure you're in the yielding regime. This of course means you must use the correct bolts where the yielding force is known.
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Hi, I am a service technician at a deutz dealer, I would highly recommend you complete the recommended timing check after touching any of the timing belt components.
and what might that be? how do you do it?
He is saying to pit the pins back in to make sure everlines back up correctly.
Thank you. I have this coming up on my Grinder. I'm at 2000 hours now. I will definitely but your kit.
Best explanation of timing belt on these engines
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now I know to time the cam and crank tnx for the video
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I have my cam bolt turn just a little over 90° and that’s under a lot of torque maybe 200 foot pounds. I feel like I can’t go anymore to reach 210°. What should I do?
my first time to over hauling the engine deutz 1110f but I don't know how to time the proper timing but 1 hrs ago I've watch your video.
if the cam pin is goes in and also crankshaft that's the proper timing?can u please answer me
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What is the size of safety star key? T30? T45? or?
33ft-lbs isnt too much for m8 center Bolt screwed in aluminium front cover?
So the tension increase from 3.5 to 7 after 4 revolutions????
It was all sounding easy till you threw in that torque to 22lbs then torque again to 210°????? What was that? Also if belt tension was at the 3.5 mark when set how did it jump to 6.5-9.5???
Duetz engines use angle torque on all critical bolts. We have a snap on angle torque wrench that makes it easy to do . I'm not sure why the tension goes higher. Might be after you pull the pins and rotate, the tension equals out. That is the way the Duetz manual says to do it .. but the tensions are slightly higher.
Well where does one get the tension tool? Also when the timing is off the valve hits the piston and you bend a push rod but what happens to the valve and the piston? Is this process the same on the 2011 engine?
Foley Engines.
The push rods take the damage. The pistons hit the valves flat. I've seen it happen several times.
New timing belt. Push rods .... Good to go .
2011 same. You would probably have to order the tension gauge from a Duetz dealer.
Is it important to top dead piston no. 1 first before installing the allignment pin
How is that done?
I went looking for their website and found nothing but dead links, so apparently they are no longer in business?
Do u have a link for the valve adjustment video
thread size on pin holes please?
Where are you guys located?
I do not understand why the locking bolt needs to be loosened on the cam pulley . Surely once the crank & cam are timed then that is all that is needed to fit the toothed belt
If you change one of these belts out you'll see why. The new belt and the original one won't be identical. If you had the crank and cam locked in position and took the original belt off and put a replacement one on, you'd need to move the crank or cam slightly to get the toothed belt on. By loosening the bolt in the pulley, you're moving the pulley all by itself to put the new belt on...you aren't moving the crank or cam. That way the engine timing is exactly where it should be, rather than just being "close enough".
The timing on a German diesel is critical. Change the cam timing 2 degrees on a Mercedes diesel and you lose a lot of power. If you don't loosen the cam bolt, it'll still run, but you may or may not get the rated power from the motor. It's a pain in the neck, but why not do it right while you're in there? Adjust the valves , too.
@@scottlarson281 so if i losen the camshaft puley i won't have any timing issues?
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Very good video
Can I still get tension gauge ... called number but it’s not working
When replacing pushrods do I leave timing pins in or out
under break belt as adjust ignition off, could you tell me, please.
I wish somebody would show how to take the damn fan off or the oil cooler shroud
do you have to take the engine out of the machine ?
This can be done in the machine 95% of the time
Is there anyway to check govener to see if it is broke and or stuck ?
Call me at 877-736-2641 any time and discuss your symptoms with me. Literally anytime.
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If anyone understands that 210° tighten I'd appreciate explanation, Scott doesn't answer phone.
It is call the torque turn method. It is supposed to be more accurate then, say torquing it to 250 ft lbs. When you torque to a low number and the engineer determined that 280 degrees of an additional turn, will bring it more accurately to the example figure of 250 ft lbs.
TTY - Torque To Yield. You are in fact stretching the bolt permanently (plastic deformation), as opposed to a typical bolt returning to its original length after being tightened and then loosened. Many of these types of bolts can only be used once, or possibly a few times because each time you use it you actually permanently stretch the bolt and eventually run out of material to stretch eventually resulting in bolt failure. The bolt will yield and stretch at a given force; this force is the clamping force. This stretching is determined by getting to a predetermined torque and then going past that entering the bolts yielding phase. The sweet spot is likely well before 210 degrees - they just add a bit to ensure you're in the yielding regime. This of course means you must use the correct bolts where the yielding force is known.
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