Will Batteries Power The World? | The Limits Of Lithium-ion

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  • @theCodyReeder
    @theCodyReeder 6 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Ok how about lithium-6 instead of the natural ~95% lithium-7 currently used, that should drop it by 15% for the lithium weight right? Also Lithium 6 is pretty easy to isolate.

    • @lieutenantdan8541
      @lieutenantdan8541 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      But how cost effective would it be? Im sure that with government uses cost wouldnt be a problem, but how much would the cost go up if you were to use lithium-6 in a phone?

    • @Xenrel
      @Xenrel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      IN ENGLISH DAMMIT! (Joking, love you cody)

    • @IamGrimalkin
      @IamGrimalkin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Make one (a Lithium-6 battery that is)? I'd watch that video.

    • @wkb9683
      @wkb9683 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Idiot

    • @megasun
      @megasun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, the calculation isn't correct, unless the battery contains ONLY lithium, you'll have to add sulfer/oxygen/whatever other elements into the play

  • @katlin8474
    @katlin8474 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1390

    You made lithium react with argon?!
    LiAr!!!!!

    • @gol.drodger5261
      @gol.drodger5261 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      WazzupKMS ha.. hold this L

    • @drzl
      @drzl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      uh man... I was gonna make a chemistry joke but all the good ones argon.😓

    • @ralakus8784
      @ralakus8784 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      We can't find any good chemistry jokes because the chemist barium.

    • @Anvilshock
      @Anvilshock 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And that is also why you have to torture the rest of the world with the retardedly idiotic cancer that is the english language and its 95 % homophones and their users who think themselves oh so fucking clever when they come up with puns at this level of difficulty. Woohoo.

    • @vxdxnsh
      @vxdxnsh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      WazzupKMS Chromium Iodine Nitrogen Energy - Cringe

  • @Ryukachoo
    @Ryukachoo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +417

    Power the planet is kind of misleading, you don't necessarily want maximum lightness and energy density for powering the smart grid, you want ultra reliable and dirty dirt cheap.
    Electric cars actually benefit far more from fast charging than from total range. If you only had a hundred miles of range but could charge in 5 minutes and charging stations were almost as ubiquitous as gas stations, you'd be all set.

    • @Multicommentormentor
      @Multicommentormentor 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Ryukachoo Well, I think a lot of people would still find it tedious to have to stop to charge that often

    • @lare290
      @lare290 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Make the charging and cars automatic. Just sleep the whole ride.

    • @microbuilder
      @microbuilder 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We need another battery tech leap that will make lithium batteries look like NiCD/NiMH.

    • @russianbear0027
      @russianbear0027 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ryukachoo exactly, and for onsite power storage at solar or wind farms weight matters far less than a mobile device. I'm not sure where development is, but that where the molten Na batteries minutephysics alluded to are going to be used. There are prototypes about the size of a shipping container developed at mit I think currently in testing.

    • @spindash64
      @spindash64 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      However, it does point out that an Electric plane is a tough feat to achieve without Some way to recharge while airborne, since high power/low weight is crucial there

  • @ksags_
    @ksags_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    Did NOT expect Sam and Niko in a minutephysics video.

    • @MinutePhysics
      @MinutePhysics  7 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      I used to work for Freddiew so I was in those offices a lot, and I'm from the same part of MN as Sam, Niko and Jake (raced against them in high school cross country skiing!). Wren has done some 3D vfx for MinutePhysics in the past - the video about how bikes stay up.

    • @bgezal
      @bgezal 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You should've included Peter "42" in your cloning videos :)

    • @jacksonthesyndicalist2771
      @jacksonthesyndicalist2771 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I knew there was a connection but i didn't know this!

    • @Airguardian
      @Airguardian 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome!

    • @SimoneBellomonte
      @SimoneBellomonte 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pfp (Profile Picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

  • @moboxgraphics
    @moboxgraphics 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Just crazy to see animations in places you would never expect.

  • @gloweye
    @gloweye 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Perfect world:
    Fusion Power to generate electricity
    Efficient Hydrogen storage for vehicles (make hydrogen by electrolysis)
    Therefore, no batteries. They're quite heavy.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hydrogen leaks a bit too much. Methane would be a better choice.

    • @surplusking2425
      @surplusking2425 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Better to supply electricity from underground superconductors or overhead catenaries than batteries or hydrogen for daily vehicle uses.

    • @andyowens5494
      @andyowens5494 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jared Maddox Good point, well made. Maybe methanol would be even better - liquid storage rather than compressed gas, so safer, and easier to use in things like aircraft engines for long haul.

    • @pmj_studio4065
      @pmj_studio4065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hydrogen isn't efficient.
      For passenger cars batteries are better:
      - more efficient - about 80% vs 30% overall
      - safer - increase body strength, decrease rollover risk
      - easier to fit than hydrogen tanks - can be laid flat under the floor
      - can quickly ramp up power output - useful in many situations
      - can be charged at home for free
      - cheaper - both batteries and electricity
      Hydrogen is better for bigger vehicles:
      - adding capacity doesn't increase weight as much as in batteries
      - no need for instant power ramp-up
      - more space for tanks
      - quick refueling at hydrogen stations - perfect for long-haul semi trucks

    • @trainspottingtech23
      @trainspottingtech23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@surplusking2425 trolleybuses ☝️😉😏

  • @TheaDragonSpirit
    @TheaDragonSpirit 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When younger and we had power outage, I use to love it. Get the candles out and chill out. It was a nice change of pace. The most awkward time I ran out of power was while on the phone. My shaver running out of power is also annoying.

  • @sk8rdman
    @sk8rdman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I used to use wireless mice for my laptop pretty much exclusively. Frequently, the battery would die at inconvenient times, and I had to start keeping a fresh pack around at all times. What's worse, is that it would never die fully, and then I'd throw those out. They'd die slowly, only failing for a little bit at a time, and then progressively more until I could get nothing more out of them. This helped them last longer, but it was also much less convenient. I also would often run into other problems with the cheap $15-20 mice I was buying, and would have to buy a new one.
    Just this last year I invested in a nice wired mouse, and the inconvenience of a cord has been much more manageable than the inconveniences I'd had with wireless mice. I used them for several years, and it wasn't really worth the hassle.

  • @cup_check_official
    @cup_check_official 7 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    its an awesome day when minutephysics uploads!

  • @sporkeh90
    @sporkeh90 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good sponsor choice! Bought one of these 4 years ago and its still working as intended.

  •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    My first thought when you mentioned Li - Flourine batteries. "Hell no."

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't think that even the _Nazis_ were insane enough to try Li-Fluorine, probably the only way to make it worse is to add Sulphur (for the smell), and upgrade the Fluorine to either FOOF or Chlorine-triflouride. There's just not much more "No" left on the dial at these heights...

    • @limecyanizer4394
      @limecyanizer4394 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@absalomdraconis Yes great idea, let's also make the containers for all these dangerous substances out of nobelium. Now if the Li-O2F2-S-ClF3 battery doesn't work, you have a very powerful thermoelectric generator for a few hours, and the decay products can also generate a lot of radiation.

  • @purebroccoli9185
    @purebroccoli9185 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an Outdoor Anker speaker and it is amazing it's been through mud, snow, and water.

  • @Nuthin141
    @Nuthin141 7 ปีที่แล้ว +661

    Wendover also uploaded a video a few minutes ago sponsored by Anker, coincidence, I think not.

    • @astro793
      @astro793 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nuthin141 I was searching for this

    • @charliem8269
      @charliem8269 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Nuthin141 Real Engineering also just uploaded at the same time too

    • @Jona69
      @Jona69 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

    • @glubstubs
      @glubstubs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Nuthin141 Yeah I saw. Seems fishy...

    • @haianhduongtri9465
      @haianhduongtri9465 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Kevin Chen was about to say the same, literally just watched Wendover's vid before this

  • @sabarishr381
    @sabarishr381 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am I the only one who sees the humour in the illustrations ? Raelly excellent for forming visuals on complicated concepts and remember easily

  • @benitollan
    @benitollan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    MinutePhysics and Real Engineering? best day ever!

  • @aedwa021
    @aedwa021 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about larger scale energy storage? Since many renewable energy sources can't produce energy on demand, it will need to be stored when it can be created to be used later.

  • @PowahSlapEntertainmint
    @PowahSlapEntertainmint 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Knowing me, I'd still probably lose those batteries..

    • @rbwjakfjenwbw1009
      @rbwjakfjenwbw1009 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      _Y O U A G A I N_

    • @paullast5173
      @paullast5173 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You really like to self advertise your channel huh? I've seen you on LOTS OF videos.

    • @rbwjakfjenwbw1009
      @rbwjakfjenwbw1009 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul last, if he is, he's doing it in a pretty clever way with all dem witty comments.

    • @paullast5173
      @paullast5173 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brian Ngoma Eehh, kind of? Personally I think, not really, maybe that's just me, because I've seen quite a bit of these "comments" from self advertising channels, that honestly it gets on my nerves everytime I see one. I just see it as "What is something good that I can say to promote my own channel but not doing it in the form of 'check my channel' comment, hmm maybe this? Ehhh close enough, okay post!" comment.

  • @LimeGreenTeknii
    @LimeGreenTeknii 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:44 Wait a minute. I know that NaCl makes salt. I also know that if you leave a battery in a device for a year or two without using it, it starts to make this white substance that kind of looks like salt. Is this the reason why?

  • @LarsPallesen
    @LarsPallesen 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    During all of this you assume that we'll keep using the same liquid electrolyte we're using now. There's good reason to think that this won't be the case in the future. Solid electrolyte batteries like Goodeneough/Braga's glass-electrolyte design could improve the energy density way past the figures presented in this video.

    • @saber1epee0
      @saber1epee0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, and it's super interesting stuff! But I underdtand why he skipped it for this video- you have to draw the lind somewhere, and switching electrolyte doesn't explain the gains until you introduce voltage curves and get into some EChem.
      Definitely worth an educational video if our favorite youtubers are willing to give it a go, but a bit too in-depth for here maybe.

  • @reqq47
    @reqq47 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and congrats on the awesome sponsor!

  • @Pantheos
    @Pantheos 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What about Solid State Batteries? This could be a revolution!

    • @deathab0ve
      @deathab0ve 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BUZZ WORD. Yea the ones that media talked about to excite you. Yea those don't exist. It is in testing and no conclusive evidence it works. Not to mention that other better things have come up in the past, but never existed. This is because in testing they could explode or poison a person. Maybe there is a mechanic that we don't know yet stopping it. Currently Solid State batteries are just a hope.

    • @Pantheos
      @Pantheos 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      As I said: This COULD be a revolution. I know that they are still under development.

    • @redbeam_
      @redbeam_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      there has been around 100 new battery technology announcements in the past few years
      the funny thing is that they never make it past that

    • @deathab0ve
      @deathab0ve 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Muzikgod yea source me a picture of it then? If it exists then you can 100% prove it right? No you can't because the only thing we know of them is a paten by Toyota and a guy claiming he knows how to do it. He didn't even claim he has done it. There is no solid evidence that says we can even make a solid state battery.
      Want to make this also clear. Big difference between a usable solid state battery and a non usable one. We can make one at extremely low temperatures, but not at a temperature of use. Which is what we are talking about.

    • @technom3598
      @technom3598 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Muzikgod nope

  • @whywouldieveruseacha
    @whywouldieveruseacha 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just got so excited hearing real engineering in the vid!

  • @manavchavan8562
    @manavchavan8562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can we just appreciate his hard work for every video?

  • @McMurchie
    @McMurchie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YAAAY a collaboration by two of my fav youtube teachers! On a subject that is vital to the immediate future of humanity.

  • @hippobonzo
    @hippobonzo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    power the world? all the devices need to be light and trasportables? Always thought weight is not a problem for micro and macro grid.

    • @SuperSMT
      @SuperSMT 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Right... Weight is important for electronics and transportation, but nearly meaningless for general storage...

  • @schitlipz
    @schitlipz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. Busted premise though. There are far more than two main factors: speed of charging (which you just mention briefly at the end), hold of charge, max discharge current, and number of cycles for life of battery come to mind immediately. Lots more. Did ya even mention the potential promise of supercapacitors? Till next time. (Hey, sorry I fart on some videos, but I was trained to do failure mode analysis.)

  • @ancellery6430
    @ancellery6430 7 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Or if you want to make it lighter, put helium in it... duh.

    • @MrPhilsterable
      @MrPhilsterable 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      OceanOinker That doesn't make it lighter. It just changes the average density. The total weight still increases.

    • @ancellery6430
      @ancellery6430 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Oh, okay. I just thought that cuz helium balloons rise

    • @deathab0ve
      @deathab0ve 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Actually it would make it lighter. It would also make it more massive. Mass and weight are different. Guarantee you will loose weight if you tie helium balloons to you.

    • @georgequilitz8530
      @georgequilitz8530 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      nope, helium does *NOT* have a negative weight, it just rises because it is lighter than air

    • @ancellery6430
      @ancellery6430 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      exactly, so on a scale, if you tie helium balloons to a battery ( or any object ), then it would weigh less on the scale, making it lighter, right?

  • @lukaswieg4845
    @lukaswieg4845 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Henry, have you once thought what we will do when our batteries die? Because when we're producing so many batteries, how do we recycle them? I'm a bit concerned that we will produce a lot of them and end up storing the broken one anywhere because recycling will be too expensive. Have you ever thought about this?

  • @TristanBomber
    @TristanBomber 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Hey, minutephysics, what about graphene?

    • @jolez_4869
      @jolez_4869 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is a good conductor, but not a energy source

    • @TristanBomber
      @TristanBomber 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Well, obviously the graphene itself isn't an "energy source" - neither is lithium, nor even hydrogen (it takes more energy to manufacture a hydrogen cell than is delivered by it - it's not a fuel so much as power storage), but I've definitely heard of graphene being used to create batteries with more energy storage capacity than existing lithium-ion batteries, though I don't know the details.

    • @jolez_4869
      @jolez_4869 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well yeah it sounds weird since having a good conductor shouln't make a huge difference because one would think that the energy source is what matters the most. I could be wrong though and it would mean that there would be huge energy loss by the resistance of the battery. That would mean that batteries would get really hot when in use but that is not what usually happens when I'm using them...

    • @Xelbiuj
      @Xelbiuj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      graphene and carbon nanotubes can't be the answer to ALL of our problems . . .

    • @DagOdenhall
      @DagOdenhall 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_applications_of_graphene#Batteries

  • @daniel_960_
    @daniel_960_ 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:27 have I already seen this video?
    0:32 oh ok now it makes sense
    Real Engineering best channel

  • @rapth
    @rapth 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    0:10 was that niko from node

    • @PeregrineX7
      @PeregrineX7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rapth in an above comment he mentions that he grew up with Sam Niko and Jake and that Wren has worked on some 3D aspects of his videos before!

    • @pennymac16
      @pennymac16 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who are these people, Niko, Sam, Jake, and Wren I've been reading about in the comments?

    • @PeregrineX7
      @PeregrineX7 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      pennymac16 they are the team behind Corridor Digital, who make short TH-cam vids, alongside feature length movies and shows, commercials, and also a blog called Sam and Niko (which is why we know about each person). A clip from their blog was used in this video (the GoPro on an arrow).

    • @pennymac16
      @pennymac16 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Peregrine I see. Thank you so much for talking the time to write such an informative reply =)

  • @seanc6128
    @seanc6128 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I let out a very hearty laugh when you mentioned a lithium-fluorine battery. Yeah that would be a wonderful idea...

  • @firstcynic92
    @firstcynic92 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We'll figure out fusion. In 20 years... and 20 more years... and 20 more...
    Then we need to figure out how to do something other than heat water with it. Which will take 20 more years...

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      We already know how to do more than heat water with fusion, heating the water is the bit we _haven't_ figured out.

  • @MattisProbably
    @MattisProbably 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anker is great. All other powerbanks I used so far died really quickly, my Anker ones are still going strong. Got a 20k mha Power Core II and I love it!

  • @AEther0238
    @AEther0238 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Do you think the first person to arrive in North America said; "First"?

    • @acruzp
      @acruzp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You'd have to go back many thousands of years to find out.

    • @alexwang982
      @alexwang982 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First in Native American.

    • @limecyanizer4394
      @limecyanizer4394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Once they had a language with the a word for "first", someone likely said it.

  • @Fireball821
    @Fireball821 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be nice to get a copy of that periodic table, very clean looking.

  • @rttr5777
    @rttr5777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    who else used to think Li-ion was Lion battery when he was young?

  • @Macintosh007
    @Macintosh007 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an Anker battery pack. While they are quite heavy (probably because of the large dense cells in them, you can see whats inside in a video by JerryRigsEverything), their capacity, (Crazy 26,000mAh) and size is amazing when compared to other battery packs for a similar price and how many times they can charge your phone. Highly recommend buying one.

  • @bobrobert6277
    @bobrobert6277 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    is it true that the making of a tesla car have a carbon foot print of a regular car used for 8 years ?

    • @freakingepicgamer2002
      @freakingepicgamer2002 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Bob Robert yeah, but I don't think saving the environment is the end goal for Tesla cars.
      The idea is to switch to a more sustainable fuel source and make cars/technology using such source more "cool."
      Petroleum is neat, it's cheap and very energy dense, but it's just not going to last forever. So using these electric cars may be the only way to well... use cars! With that, the rise of renewable energy and the inevitable super mainstream use of it may just counter the carbon footprint of electric cars.
      That or we just find some new hydrocarbons and everything I just said is total bullshit.

    • @vistaero
      @vistaero 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol I really doubt that. Where did you read that? Is that comparison taking into account the carbon footprint of making a regular car too? did they look for the kind of energy source that Tesla factories use?
      Elon Musk said from the very beginning that electric cars are better for the atmosphere. If anyone has proof of anything else, go and tell him.

    • @vistaero
      @vistaero 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen Elon Musk said Tesla cars are for saving the atmosphere (as we only have one).
      Derick Smith No, the way to go for saving the environment is using electric cars (to avoid pollution at street level that is actually killing a lot of people) and adopting plant-based diet (to stop global warming, as the methane of the 70 billion animals of the livestock industry is 50 times worse than CO2, and the only source of pollution bad enough to cause the global warming).
      And I see that thing of using classic cars a pretty bad idea. They are extremely unrecommended for having a very poor safety in comparison with today's cars. And old car would split in half in the pole crash test, while a Tesla car maintains the interior completely untouched.

    • @bobrobert6277
      @bobrobert6277 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      vistaero but is it true that the making of a tesla car have a carbon foot print of a regular car used for 8 years ?

    • @eat_ze_bugs
      @eat_ze_bugs 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should read the report on "Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave", it'll answer your question.

  • @detachsoup6061
    @detachsoup6061 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also you need to look at the resources you need to build them, and how long they keep working

  • @ankithguzz
    @ankithguzz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nanotechnology is the answer.

    • @StainedHumanity1
      @StainedHumanity1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I don't think you understand what that means

    • @ABaumstumpf
      @ABaumstumpf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ankith m - please go back to school.
      This video just explained why no matter what we do, there is a physical upper limit to energy density.
      the numbers given here would be the absolute maximum, where every single last atom is used perfectly to store energy - that is well beyond any "nano" technology (which in turn is just a buzzword for laymans).

    • @griin6
      @griin6 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      nanomachines, son

    • @HomeSkillenSLICE
      @HomeSkillenSLICE 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nanotechnology is a term that encompasses all physics related activity at the molecular or atomic level
      This video details the physics of lithium *molecules* , therefore the video can reasonably be described as one that explains the future *nanotechnology* of batteries
      The way you are using the term makes it look like nothing more than a buzzword
      So yea this video basically explains the nanotech and physics of battery power and what is possible for the future in terms of technology and innovation of chemical energy storage
      I was a casual like you too at some point but then I learned muh physics basics, you should too dude. Learning of what holds for our future through the basics of physics or through the conclusions of educated physicists makes one feel like a magician lol

    • @avoo93r89
      @avoo93r89 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      HomeSkillenSLICE ,

  • @chedderburg
    @chedderburg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loosing my wallet and my phone died. Could have done a lot with all my apps. A charger would has save me a 6 mile walk home.
    Also thank you Anker for sponsoring this show. It's a great show and if you keep sponsoring him, I might move that SoundCore 2 from wishlist to cart ;)

  • @katlin8474
    @katlin8474 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    When you're early and you dont know what to say....

    • @mmaakk32
      @mmaakk32 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      WazzupKMS I'm glad you thought of something.

    • @YoutubeAdministrator
      @YoutubeAdministrator 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You don't have to say anything. Commenting is optional and not a requirement.

    • @arielkozak
      @arielkozak 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Say what you need to say!

    • @jynxkizs
      @jynxkizs 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      [insert witty comment here]

  • @andyowens5494
    @andyowens5494 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At last, someone who sees the RIGHT picture. Not the rose tinted one, where “we’ve come so far, so further progress is inevitably going to lead to nirvana”. Physical (chemical, its all the same thing in the end) limits matter; thank you - I will be using a link to this, I’m sure.

  • @BlueBird-wb6kb
    @BlueBird-wb6kb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The fuel for the world will be Algae Bio-Diesel fuel, Noob

  • @lsstudios7368
    @lsstudios7368 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:08 Secret footage of Samsung creating the S7

  • @lucaslin4923
    @lucaslin4923 7 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I guess stupid decisions about battery combinations have led to the many cases of exploding Samsung phones . . .
    . . . I think.

    • @PtrkHrnk
      @PtrkHrnk 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      And that's bad reference for what?

    • @mobai123
      @mobai123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      note 7 battery explode because of the rounded corner shape of the battery to fit the phone, not because of the new chemistry or some shit

    • @malachimichael2120
      @malachimichael2120 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      mobai123 so let me get this straight... The battery exploded Because of round corners, not because of bad chemistry??..lol.... 👍ok

    • @malachimichael2120
      @malachimichael2120 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      UnknownUser025 you replied yes to the battery exploding Because of it's shape? In other words are you telling me that with Perfect Chemistry the shape of the battery alone would have caused an explosion?

    • @somayough
      @somayough 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      MALACHI'S DISCIPLES Well, yeah. All lithium ion batteries carry a lot of energy, and inducing a short circuit in them results in the energy being released violently. There are videos of people stabbing batteries which lead to the batteries going up in flames. In the s7's case, the short circuit was not caused by an external impact, but by a flaw in the battery's design and a lack of quality control.

  • @nacoran
    @nacoran 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny you should mention running out of battery power during shaving. After not shaving my head for a couple months I started shaving my head earlier today and the plug/battery shaver I had, which I usually leave unplugged, and which usually starts off a little slow, just wasn't gaining power the longer it was plugged in today. It muddled through to get it 'good enough' but it was touch and go there for a bit. (After leaving it plugged in for a while it seems to have regained its old oomph. I'm not sure why, on a plug/battery hybrid you wouldn't make the plugged option powerful enough to plow through on its own.)

  • @feynstein1004
    @feynstein1004 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    What if we ditch chemical energy altogether and figure out other ways to generate energy?

    • @icecoldheard
      @icecoldheard 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      then what would happen to all battery powered gadgets? Oh wait, you haven't thought about that, have you?

    • @theslay66
      @theslay66 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Well, for one, batteries are used to store energy, not to produce it.
      Anyway, for something as important as energy storage, you can be sure that every possibility is explored in detail. If we use chemical batteries today, that's simply because it's the best option available.

    • @ABaumstumpf
      @ABaumstumpf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Tell us a different way to store energy then.
      Oh right, you don't know any?
      Here, let me tell you a bit about physics:
      there are only a very small number of ways to practically store energy.
      Heat, height, springs, chemicals, electrons, speed.
      heat is simply heating something up to later use a turbine or similar to generate power - a very very bad idea for a mobile device, but rather nice for solar power.
      heating up
      Height - lift something heavy and you store energy. But that ain't easy and doesn't store that much energy.
      Springs - you know old spring-watches? you need to constantly rewind them.
      electrons - like in capacitors. You can increase the energy stored by increasing the voltage or the surface area. But even the best capacitors are limited by the insulator between the surfaces and they are like 1/10th the capacity of batteries.
      Speed - a flywheel or similar.
      but here is the thing:
      Chemical energy is just vastly better.
      Lift 500kg 10 meters and you get 49kJ. That is about the same energy a smartphone battery holds.
      Chemical bonds are incredible energy dense and comparatively easy to handle.

    • @xotixus1219
      @xotixus1219 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nigga he said generate, not store.

    • @useodyseeorbitchute9450
      @useodyseeorbitchute9450 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, technically speaking such idea was tried, but ended up in niche application:
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
      Not sure, hover whether I'd really like a mobile phone powered with Pu-239.

  • @CreeperUniverseTV
    @CreeperUniverseTV 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video guys! I think it's really awesome to learn about batteries.

  • @MisterMajister
    @MisterMajister 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woah, two videos in a row about Anker. They really know how to advertise.

  • @jomiar309
    @jomiar309 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's actually a really cool molten salt nuclear reactor battery design that can essentially provide a year's worth of energy for buildings and so forth with no moving parts (it's natural convection-based), and can be "recharged" by swapping out the fuel/fluid inside, which is pretty simple to do. If you're wanting energy on demand in fairly large quantities, you can't do better than fission!

  • @Quart47
    @Quart47 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly I think powering for example:
    1: A city is not only about batteries themselfs but also about how efficient is the usage of energy, you can improve energy efficiency of light bulbs, computers, elevators or even water pumps, etc. so you will not have to be able to store as much power as you would otherwise. 2: Maybe thats just my opinion but i think and honestly hope we will be able to store power in better ways then chemical batteries only ( btw i know that there are some ways of already non chemical energy storage like storing energy in spinning disks for example.) however i mean other ways which could be used if not in small devices like smartphones but at least in electric cars, by what i mean we wouldnt have those chemical limits which you mentioned.

  • @luccadfoli
    @luccadfoli 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey MinutePhysics, this might seem like a stupid question but I couldn't find the answer to it. Electrons get trapped in clouds causing the cloud to have a negative charge, the charge is later released on to the ground that is positively charged. My question to you is, how come batteries need a circuit to operate, but clouds can discharge the negative energy without having a full circuit? Why can't batteries discharge their energy by just attaching one wire to one battery's (-) and connecting it onto another battery's (+) without having to reconnect at the other ends?

    • @Jackisaboss1208
      @Jackisaboss1208 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not minute physics and I don't have a ton of E&M knowledge, but I believe it's just because a battery can't create a high enough voltage. For any material, there's what is known as a breakdown voltage at which the material becomes partially conductive. For air the requisite E field is something like 3e6 V/m.

    • @rupert7565
      @rupert7565 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a full circuit. the reactions happen in the cloud and at the surface similarly is in a battery and the air is the wire. Air is not non-conductive, just very poorly conductive.
      Q: But air is a gas, so the molecules do not touch each other.
      A: molecules never touch each other in the first place, what is relevant if the electromagnetic field of the charged particles overlap sufficiently. the strength of this field strongly decreases with distance, but never reaches zero.
      So with a sufficiently strong energy differential air conducts.
      An lighting strike contains about 1,000,000,000 joules of energy. Which is enough to heat the air it is going though so much that it will glow (which is why you can see it), in fact at about 30,000 degree Celsius (50,000 degrees Fahrenheit) it is hotter that the sun.

  • @DJstarrfish
    @DJstarrfish 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was touched on a little in the video, but it's worth mentioning more that even the theoretical upper bounds for how energy-dense we can make rechargeable batteries is still an order of magnitude less dense than a traditional fossil fuel. In fact, a lot of the research there is not about making more efficient batteries, but using electric power to more efficiently synthesize chemicals like ethanol and butanol (e.g. www.ornl.gov/news/nano-spike-catalysts-convert-carbon-dioxide-directly-ethanol ).

  • @dcseain
    @dcseain 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anker batteries and cables rock! I've been using them for years

  • @alanj4507
    @alanj4507 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only kind of paid promotions I enjoy x

  • @hrishikeshrprasad3847
    @hrishikeshrprasad3847 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the way you explain

  • @deh7335
    @deh7335 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sponsorship and science do NOT belong together. It can make your experiments end short in favor of your sponsor's product.

    • @evaahh9584
      @evaahh9584 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tw!st3d D!gg3r they pretty much have to be funded by *a* company tho. And they don’t have to affect the result. Just make sure in the contract it says that the results WILL always be published.

  • @draxiss1577
    @draxiss1577 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey minutephysics, what's you're take on the solid-state, glass batteries that are supposed to be able to hold a ridiculous amount of charge AND last a lot longer? It would've been nice to see an explanation for how those work included in this video, although batteries in general still strain my comprehension.
    As I recall, they're being researched by Dr. Goodenough (one of the original developers of the Lithium-ion battery) and Dr. Braga. Googling "glass battery" should bring them up well enough, though. I'd love to see an addendum discussing the difference between glass batteries and conventional batteries.

  • @davidguan8774
    @davidguan8774 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:10 Eyyyyyyyyyyyy Sam & Niko

  • @isabellev9576
    @isabellev9576 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always.

  • @Uiru11
    @Uiru11 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on Sodium-Ion batteries? I hear about it sometimes, but nothing more than a few articles or blogs are all I can find.

  • @ilovecodemonkeys
    @ilovecodemonkeys 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anker is working that PR well. Hitting the right demographic for selling their stuff.
    Definitely recommend checking out their battery packs cuz they fucking rock

  • @omaralmqtarixy
    @omaralmqtarixy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if we don't care about wight but about the energy, could we use heavier elements than just (Li,S,O,F) ?. More energy even if more wight.

  • @ryanmerrick8571
    @ryanmerrick8571 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, but one issue. Lithium is not very reactive but fluorine is. The reason they react so violently is Lithium has very high amounts of electromagnetic force so the much more reactive fluorine atom can "take" the lithium electron with only a lot of energy already present in the reaction.

  • @rodneylives
    @rodneylives 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Background accompaniment provided by Phillip the Magical Bass.

  • @Accessless
    @Accessless 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What ever happened about the wonder material "Graphene" batteries, which promised to be rechargeable in minutes?

  • @BigbrotherBlueGaming
    @BigbrotherBlueGaming 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, wouldn't it be easier to store the energy using electrolysis of water and use the oxygen and hydrogen to power cars, heating houses etc? Please make a video about it!!

  • @mytebello
    @mytebello 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think two main technical stakes of batteries were not discussed here.
    Weight is certainly a problem but the volume inherent to the technology is extremely important too (otherwise, electrolysis and H2 would have conquered the market a long time ago with one of the greatest power to weight ratio). Making things compact is about making them also smaller in size.
    The other point about democratisation of batteries is obviously the costs that can't really be put aside either but you talked about it a little in the video.

  • @ARVash
    @ARVash 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really curious what you think about non-chemical batteries, fuel cells, and supercapacitors.

  • @diegosanchez894
    @diegosanchez894 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was expecting a comment on graphene as a supercapacitor. That shit is the future of batteries

  • @Teth47
    @Teth47 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Electrochemical batteries won't be the big solution, but something more exotic might be. I heard something about storing electrons in bulk inside of a graphene-carbon nanotube composite. Apparently it has a theoretical storage density in the gigawatt hours per kilogram, so that would be useful... Should do a video on that.

  • @SK-fd8kw
    @SK-fd8kw 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t understand something: wouldn’t you want a material that produced the *least* amount of energy per electron traded? (Not the *most* energy per electron, as stated in the video at approx 1:25). The energy produced would be manifested as heat, no?

  • @kirikouthemightyandstrong3183
    @kirikouthemightyandstrong3183 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sam and Niko team!!! Just came to this from their vlogs

  • @nickcarmont
    @nickcarmont 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey other Minute Physicists! Would really appreciate your VOTE in the Ankar Power it up competition! we spent a lot of time on it. Thank you so much :)

  • @dcsob
    @dcsob 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHAT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF GRAPHENE BATTERIES????? I love the thought of graphene getting used for things like this

  • @jacobc.weinstein1480
    @jacobc.weinstein1480 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wendover Productions, Minute Physics, and Real Engineering all upload at once with the same sponsor.

  • @DavidFMayerPhD
    @DavidFMayerPhD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hydrocarbon fuels still contain over TWICE the energy to weight as the best POSSIBLE batteries, not just the batteries that we already have. Hence, for commercial aviation, large intercontinental aircraft will forever remain powered by hydrocarbon fuels. The only possible exception would be hydrogen fuel batteries. Liquid hydrogen is an excellent fuel for commercial aviation, with the proviso that large under-wing tanks will be required. Of course, it would be easier and cheaper to just burn the hydrogen in a turbo-fan engine instead of fuel batteries. Liquid hydrogen powered jet aircraft have been made (converted from standard aircraft) and flown successfully. The issue on hydrogen aviation is fuel cost.
    Some bad news. ALL of the lithium (or other metal, or boron, etc) oxygen batteries GAIN WEIGHT when they discharge, as the lithium (or whatever) is converted into solid lithium oxide. This is not a problem with ordinary hydrocarbon powered aircraft, since both of the resulting oxides, carbon dioxide and hydrogen oxide (water) are gasses and are ejected with the exhaust. We cannot have aircraft spraying millions of tonnes of lithium oxide into the air around the World every day.
    One more thing. If the World is to be battery powered, there must be a huge increase in electric power generation to charge the batteries, and by huge, I mean a factor of at least 4. This cannot be done in any short period of time.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hydrogen embrittles many metals, so there might be an argument to be made in favor of hydrogen batteries or fuel cells for maintenance reasons.
      Admittedly, I'd just go for liquid methane instead.

  • @isaiahschwartz1381
    @isaiahschwartz1381 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just now realized that you and Real Engineering are different channels

  • @prahladmv8277
    @prahladmv8277 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very Educational

  • @sniperr.i.p.8215
    @sniperr.i.p.8215 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sam and Niko!

  • @strateeg32
    @strateeg32 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Minutephysics, how about nanotechnology? I heard Kaku speak about basically enabling (near) infinite storage potential. It was on his video about a lightsaber i belief.

  • @fontethefox
    @fontethefox 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Minutephysics? More like Minutechemistry

  • @BryGy
    @BryGy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great collab project!

  • @thebonesaw..4634
    @thebonesaw..4634 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My worst moment of running out of battery power occurred several years ago. I had been kidnapped and, when I awoke, I found myself handcuffed to a radiator. The key for the handcuff had been placed out of my reach on the floor in the middle of the room. There was also a handkerchief with a one inch thick stick next to the key. I assume the last two items were there so I could use them as a tourniquet, since... next to me, I found a battery powered reciprocating saw. After sitting there in bewilderment for several minutes, a voice came over a sound system... I'm not sure from where because I couldn't see any speakers in the room. I won't bore you with those details but, suffice to say, the person on the other end, who had a distinctive lisp and identified himself as a "Sicilian" (even though he had an American accent, without a trace of European) was very persuasive. He told me that, if I didn't make the decision to hack off my own hand pretty soon... "death was on the line". I had no idea what that would entail but I got the impression that it was a bad idea to attempt to find out. I was obviously dealing with a very dangerous character.
    So, taking the reciprocating saw in hand and steeling my nerve, I began the gruesome work of detaching my left hand. The pain was indescribable... to be honest, I don't know how I kept myself from passing out. Then, with half the job left to go... the saw suddenly began slowing. I thought, "Perhaps it's getting stuck" and tried to reposition it but... it was the battery. Someone (possibly the "Sicilian's" henchman, or henchmen?) had forgotten to recharge it. However, I never found out the answer to that question because, when I tried calling out to the Sicilian to discover whether he had another battery or possibly an outlet where I could plug in the tool directly, I was met only with silence. I never heard from the Sicilian ever again. Several hours later, the police broke in and I was rescued. I had managed to staunch the bleeding with my own t-shirt until then. With reconstructive surgery, they were able to save my hand (I only have partial paralysis in my pinky and ring finger). The police never were able to find out what had caused the Sicilian to leave so suddenly. In fact, their theory is that he may have left even before I discovered the battery problem. They were only able to find a single clue... a note with the word: "Buttercup". They have no idea what it could mean.

  • @freya9107
    @freya9107 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video like this on the graphine battery's that are starting to come out to compare them to the ideas you go over in the video. I really wanna know if they're better and if they'll solve this problem

  • @etcetera662
    @etcetera662 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a video explaining the difference between DC current and AC current?

  • @ricardo22448
    @ricardo22448 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about graphite batteries? I know they will be expensive because there still reasearching it but it can be used for everything in the future i think.

  • @mihailazar2487
    @mihailazar2487 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, but How about Quantum batteries ? how would they work ? they are mentioned in the TED-Ed video about batteries

  • @ynkrock7
    @ynkrock7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love me some Anker, the USB Type-C charger I got from them always gets stolen by my family and friends

  • @paultutillo
    @paultutillo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    great great video and explanation

  • @Sorenzo
    @Sorenzo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't understand why we don't just make batteries that, you know, don't degrade over time or catch fire when something goes wrong.
    I wouldn't mind a phone battery that weighed twice as much if they could guarantee it would last twice as long.
    I work at an IT repair shop, and it's kind of incredible how commercial Li-ion batteries turn to crap after 6 months of usage.
    I do understand that miniaturization is good for the environment when it means you get more use out of smaller amounts of resources, but I do think our resources (and consumers' cash) could be spent more efficiently if we moved durability, reliability, and reparability up on the list of priorities.
    I like my Fairphone. They've just launched a new camera that I could buy and put into my phone myself. Heck of a lot better than buying a new iPhone.

  • @RoberttheWise
    @RoberttheWise 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:50 Ah the good old fusion fewer dream. How exactly would that solve the problems discussed in this video? The drawing suggests each car having a fusion reactor. But how small could a fusion reactor (provided we get fusion reactors to have positive net energy output) get? You spent the video answering that question for batteries but jam fusion in with an off the cuf remark? You might as well have said "unless we figure those ultra-compact nuclear fission reactors from Fallout out".

  • @MonkeyJedi99
    @MonkeyJedi99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Light batteries are good for things that move with the batteries onboard. For static stuff, like charging stations or peak-demand capacity, heavy should be fine.
    -
    Super picky point. a battery weighing 30% less than another is not is not about 1/3 as much, it is about 2/3 as much.

  • @roymartin7713
    @roymartin7713 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That huge battery pack better run that single lightbulb longer than 10hrs... i have a camping fan/light that runs on 4 D-size standard batteries, and it will run longer than 10hrs... seems like that time you suggested is waaay off. Maybe the 18650s in that battery pack are low mAh, but then what is the point of having 8x of them? Anyway, i love your videos man. I hope you are making content for years to come!

  • @aarongrooves
    @aarongrooves 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about liquid batteries?

  • @Shuizid
    @Shuizid 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those are all chemistry based batteries. I have heard someone is trying to create a battery, that is basically an extremely thin layer of a special material, that can "store" electrons on it's surface. Which would create a very light battery, which can hold a lot of charge while beeing able to be be recharged within seconds or minutes at best, as it just needs to be refilled with electrons, rather than go through a chemical reaction.

    • @milanswoboda5457
      @milanswoboda5457 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Shuizid , you're describing a capacitor which is existing a long long time. Nowadays there is the big hype about "super-capacitors" that can hold a much larger charge than the "normal" capacitor but the discharge characteristics limits their use.

    • @Shuizid
      @Shuizid 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, my description does show I don't know how they work. However what I meant is a so called "nano-wire" battery. But after googling for "new battery type" I found some articles talking about like a dozen of different types, that all seem to offer a lot more possibilities than lithium-ion batteries.

  • @alexlandherr
    @alexlandherr 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great channel! Keep it up.

  • @matthewpaquette
    @matthewpaquette 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have that battery pack! It's amazing!