Blackhorn 209 vs 777 vs Goex Black Powder: Which Should You Use In Your Muzzleloader?

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  • @robertmcfly412
    @robertmcfly412 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4 firestar pellets and a 295grn solid lead power belt did the trick last year on my elk 167 yards. It did a great job I recovered it on the opposite side just under the skin and it was a perfect mushroom. That load shoots around one moa in my 209 converted wolf since I hunt in Washington we just switched over last year. I hated the musket caps I've had a few just pop and do nothing but the 209 primers go bang every time. Great video by the way the content was informative and well explained.

  • @tomballesteros4673
    @tomballesteros4673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best black powder research ,I have seen on You tube. Thank you…I’m will continue using Black horn 209.I’m using 77 grains by weight, and a 290 grain bore driver bullet. This has been a very accurate load for me ,,I just harvested a ARIZONA Bull Elk Nov 29th at 100 yards . The only drawback is black horn powder is hard to fine now☺️

    • @prostreetcamaro
      @prostreetcamaro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is available directly from blackhorn.

    • @kavak1344
      @kavak1344 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@prostreetcamaro nope. They haven't had it on their site for the last few months

  • @bryanrutan8445
    @bryanrutan8445 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video! I'm really glad that you actually tested the performance and collected data.

  • @robertchapman4488
    @robertchapman4488 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The easiest cleaning out of the bunch is black horn 209 Hands down, you just use regular gun cleaning solvent and its done in 2 or 3 patches.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, there's no real comparison between Blackhorn 209 and the others in terms of ease of cleaning

    • @wgiles51
      @wgiles51 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Thebiggamehuntingblog In the bad old days of shooting triple 7, I remember having to clean between shots, lest the bullet not want to go all the way down the bore. I remember a World War I Army manual detailing the rifle cleaning procedure for corrosive priming. It involved putting the muzzle of the rifle in a pot of boiling water and using the cleaning rod to pump the water in and out of the bore to wash away the residue. With BH209, I still clean between shots, but it's just a few patches and a bit of solvent. I weigh my charges and keep them in vials, so loading with loose powder has not been a problem. With an 80 Gr. equivalent and 250 Gr. bullets, I get velocities between 1600 and 1650 FPS and devastating results on deer out to 60 Yd or more.

    • @timemeddlertardis5343
      @timemeddlertardis5343 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So how long does it actually take? I don't think it even takes ten minutes to flush out goex, dry and oil.

  • @steveandrews4822
    @steveandrews4822 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pellets are easier, but I hate the delay in firing they produce. I do like the easy cleaning I get from shooting 777 powder.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree 100%!

    • @ATruckCampbell
      @ATruckCampbell 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which is it? I have heard everything from T7 being dirtier than a whorehouse to it being as clean burning as the finest modern smokeless. I guess I will just have to see when it comes in the mail.

  • @brucelewis1017
    @brucelewis1017 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got couple adapters to use 209 primers in sidelocks one for cva and one for t/c

  • @dwmedley06
    @dwmedley06 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Have you ever done a PowerBelt vs sabot test?

  • @reggierico
    @reggierico 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had a 110yard shot at a 300+ inch bull elk last season using209 primer & 777 pellets. Missed due to a hang fire! I went over that shot and what I could have done to prevent the hang fire. My conclusions and advise from friends were as follows: First, use loose powder, either 777 or Buckhorn 209. Second, discharge and clean your rifle nightly at the end of the day. I was on my 4th day with the same load in the rifle. I didn't think moisture would be an issue since it was relatively dry and I had a barrel balloon on the end of my barrel. I was wrong! What do you guys think? I was shooting iron sights, on a Knights ultralight muzzle loader.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The hangfire could have been caused by any number of things, but that's pretty good advice your friends gave you in general to help prevent it from happening in the future. I personally use loose powder the vast majority of the time when I'm actually hunting.

    • @kelleenmurray1689
      @kelleenmurray1689 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I think myb you should've put a fresh load n everyday,that way you know powder is fresh , who knows,myb it wasn't his time, but everything happens for a reason I think 🤔

    • @beckyjones9444
      @beckyjones9444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A muzzleloader should for sure be unloaded and cleaned at the end of the day every time but if you want to see a giant leave it loaded for a few days works every time just won't hit him!

  • @Freezer003
    @Freezer003 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent video! Thank you for taking the time to collect data on these different powders. Can I request a summary of how clean each of the respective powders burn? I know that the amount of residue left behind, and the requisite cleaning is a concern for many shooters.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Blackhorn 209 still produces far more fouling than any smokeless powder, but it's the cleanest black powder substitute I've ever used. 777 is a very distant second. It's clean enough that you can fire several shots in a row without any decline in accuracy or difficulty in loading.

  • @SpotterVideo
    @SpotterVideo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I now use "Low Pressure Smokeless Loads" in my 209 inline muzzleloaders. A 2 DVD set demonstrating these loads is available on eBay.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I understand why some people might be tempted to do that with Blackhorn 209 being so difficult to find right now (and so expensive when it's available), but putting smokeless powder of any kind in a muzzleloader designed for black powder or a black powder substitute is literally playing with fire. The guy who makes the DVDs you reference even says the information they provide cannot be guaranteed to work safely in all factory 209 muzzleloaders. Anyone who tries using those recipes is asking for trouble and he is asking for a lawsuit by providing that information to the person who will invariably blow their muzzleloader up one of these days while using one of his smokeless recipes.

  • @charleycrawford2857
    @charleycrawford2857 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Thanks for doing the leg work.

  • @DMX-PAT
    @DMX-PAT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where does Pyrodex come in and how do White Hots compare, when used in an inline... Maybe you could do a follow up video?

  • @JacobSchmittDeerHuntingSchool
    @JacobSchmittDeerHuntingSchool 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video would have loved to see pyrodex in it as well. Very good information. You done a great job!!! I use triple 7 powder for my muzzleloader and pyrodex pellets for my wife’s. Just couldn’t get a good group with mine and the pyrodex pellets.

  • @kcMan7938
    @kcMan7938 ปีที่แล้ว

    White Hots are the easiest to use . They perform very well in my CVA Optima muzzle loader

  • @What_Fred_Said
    @What_Fred_Said 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question is which is available and what are you willing to pay.

  • @tomballesteros4673
    @tomballesteros4673 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Blackhorn 209 is great powder. The last time I purchased it it was 1 pound for like $32. I’ve been trying to find it. Now it’s $70 for 8 ounces. I’m going back 777. The triple 7 is good enough for me. I just shot an Arizona elk last November. I shot 70 yards. The a
    ARIZONA elk hunting where I hunt is not long range hunting!

  • @taurushipointenthusiast1306
    @taurushipointenthusiast1306 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Saw Muzzle Energy, Muzzle Velocity. Deviations and Trajectory/Energy all well and awesome, One solid Question still remains What did the Shot Groups look like? 2154 FPS with 2500 FPC muzzle energy does not mean a thing with a 7 inch shot group at 100 yards Where as 1500 FPS Muzzle energy at 1200 FPC with an inch group at 100 yards is something to note. Consistency does aide accuracy yes but consistency is not 100% of the equation.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good question. Since results can vary so much from muzzleloader to muzzleloader and bullet to bullet, I focused this test primarily upon differences in velocity between the various powders. That being said, I've gotten pretty good accuracy out of several different loads using loose 777, 50gr 777 pellets, loose Goex, and loose Blackhorn 209 out of my muzzleloader. For what it's worth, I've gotten right around 1 MOA accuracy with 110gr of loose 777 with 250gr PowerBelt AeroLites and just a hair larger with the same amount of loose 777 with the 290gr Barnes T-EZ. 120gr of Blackhorn 209 with those same bullets is slightly less accurate for me, but still less than 2 MOA with noticeably more velocity an a significantly flatter trajectory.

  • @desperado8605
    @desperado8605 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buddy and I have gotten 209 to ignite with a no11 in a ruger old army.

  • @johnteece802
    @johnteece802 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great comparison just what I was looking for!!!

  • @bva8252
    @bva8252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was fantastic. I'm just getting back into muzzleloaders after a twenty plus year absence and things have changed a lot. I had a lot of questions that you just answered for me. One I still have is does the variflame system reliably ignite Blackhorn 209? New subscriber. Thank you.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome back and glad to hear you liked the video!
      Yes, I've had great results using the variflame system to ignite Blackhorn 209 in my CVA Paramount.

    • @bva8252
      @bva8252 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thebiggamehuntingblog OK Thanks. Did you notice a difference between variflame and 209 primers? Which variflame primer did you find worked best?

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've only used variflame ignition in my Paramount, but it works great. My other muzzleloaders use a 209 ignition. My 209 muzzleloaders work really well, but I've had an occasional misfire with them (like 1 out of 100 or 200 shots), but I haven't had a single issue with the variflame in my Paramount. I use CCI primers in the Paramount.

  • @bjcoveney5306
    @bjcoveney5306 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job!
    Thanks for sharing!

  • @wheres-myangels4986
    @wheres-myangels4986 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Goex and 777 are both great powders 777 is cleaner and you use less 777 to get the same performance and with 777 you wouldn't need to clean it that week or even the next,.... it burns clean,... but the cap area will rust wipe it with water then oil.
    just put the gun in a dry place and there's no rush to clean it.
    But with Goex you go home and clean it.
    And with every gun ever made keep your powder dry.

  • @ec9697
    @ec9697 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When BH209 sold Out I started having problems with it..

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What sort of problems have you been experiencing? Aside from problems actually finding BH209 in the first place these days...

    • @ec9697
      @ec9697 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Thebiggamehuntingblog ignition and accuracy..I used to run all over proclaiming how great it was..something seems different

  • @davidrussell631
    @davidrussell631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn’t say pellets are a lot faster than loose powder. Biggest advantage of pellets for me is zero chance of spillage. Just don’t see how I could do any better than BH209 in my cheap CVA Wolf, though, when the holes often touch each other. Performance, less fouling, ease of cleaning, and better shelf life makes BH209 the clear winner if you’re shooting an in-line muzzleloader. Pretty sure BH209 is a little less corrosive as well.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I definitely agree that BH 209 is an outstanding powder for better performance and easier cleaning. The biggest issues with it are in terms of price an availability (especially at this instant).

    • @davidrussell631
      @davidrussell631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thebiggamehuntingblogwell you certainly have to use what you can find, and unfortunately that’s true of everything shooting related nowadays. Thing folks need to realize, though, is that the shelf life of BH209 is much better than the other BP substitutes. So if you’re concerned with consistent velocities, 777 isn’t really the better bargain unless you’re shooting up your supply annually.

  • @MrPHATSPEED
    @MrPHATSPEED 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Lots of good info!

  • @MarkZeise
    @MarkZeise 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I couldn't agree more with the other followers and their coments👏👊
    Thanks for your time and knowledge of the subject matter, Very informative!!
    For now I just don't spend qutie enuff time and enjoy the ease of pellets vs powder, my game is coyote and WI whitetails with shots 100yds and in, is it an apple or oranges thing or does anyone have input on my choices of 2x50gr white hot pellets vs 4x33gr tristar which I am looking at using.
    To this point I have been using 2x60 triple7 pellets with a Hornady Bore Driver FTX 290gr. with decent results, it just seems to foul so darn much... I am not afraid to clean my firearms I am just looking to eliminate some barrel and brP fouling to assist in more shooting at the range with minimal cleaning. A bit long winded and I apologize, Thanks for all your hard work and help fellas, Hunt Hard and more important Hunt Safely🤙

  • @mot0rhe4d40
    @mot0rhe4d40 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the data

  • @joshgordon2484
    @joshgordon2484 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro, you say Triple 7 PELLETS need a Blackhorn 209 primer? Thanks.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A 209 primer is a type of ignition that's distinct from other primers and caps commonly used by muzzleloader hunters (like musket caps, no 11 caps, etc.). Blackhorn 209 is named after a 209 primer because it requires a 209 primer (and a special one at that) for ignition, but there's no "Blackhorn 209 primer." Triple 7 pellets also normally need a 209 primer for reliable ignition, but just about any 209 primer will work: Winchester 209, CCI, Federal, etc. Make sense?

  • @brianlee6849
    @brianlee6849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent info. Have you tried Black Horn 209 and a black powder cartridge like 45-70 or 3855? Have you done any testing like this with any black powder cartridges? Thank you 👍

  • @zzz7zzz9
    @zzz7zzz9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question.
    I have a remington 700MLS. It's .54 cal. From what i have read, they no longer make pellets in .54 cal. And i would assume that .50 pellets would be a no-no in a .54 gun, even though i read where someone said it's fine.
    So, i'm thinking my choice is pretty much loose powder now, for the .54 cal?

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd recommend loose powder in your 54 caliber.

    • @zzz7zzz9
      @zzz7zzz9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thebiggamehuntingblog thank you. i've since picked up a jar of triple seven and a jar of another one. will do some testing with them.

  • @guardianminifarm8005
    @guardianminifarm8005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info. Huge help. Very beneficial.

  • @dhooter
    @dhooter 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've killed quite a few deer with Black Horn so far since switching from White Hots. It shoots the Barnes 250 grain boat tail amazingly well. Clover leaf 3 shot groups at 100 yards. I dont shoot deer much further.

  • @ckiefner715
    @ckiefner715 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you noticed and different reliability and accuracy between the blackhorn 209 breech plug and the stock breech plug?

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I haven't noticed a difference in accuracy, but the Blackhorn breech plug is a little bit more reliable for me when using Blackhorn 209 powder. It's not a big difference though and the stock breech plug is great when using all the other powder types I've tried. If you want to use Blackhorn 209 with the stock plug, just make sure you use Federal or CCI Magnum primers. They'll both give better reliability than the Winchester 209 primers.

    • @ckiefner715
      @ckiefner715 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks I appreciate it

  • @bowhunter2439
    @bowhunter2439 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    when referring to 209 measurements on your chart are you talking by weight or by volume ??

  • @BigBrother169
    @BigBrother169 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you measured out the loose powder, did you do it by volume or by actual weight?

  • @sectureverothoughtcriminal7734
    @sectureverothoughtcriminal7734 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which Musket caps work best for each propellent?

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go with RWS or Scheutzen musket caps. They'll work pretty well for black powder, pyrodex, and 777.

  • @bunkstagner298
    @bunkstagner298 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    kind of depends on how you want to damage the barrel shooting perchlorate powders opposed to real GOEX black gun powder

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, nothing wrong with Goex. Nothing wrong with those other powders either as long as you clean the barrel afterward. To each his own!

  • @allenr6687
    @allenr6687 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you measure all powder by weight or volume????

  • @fordfan3179
    @fordfan3179 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tons of great info, keep it coming

  • @easy3088
    @easy3088 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you use the special blackhorn 209 breech plug with the blackhorn 209 powder?

  • @ryanflores8916
    @ryanflores8916 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you use a basic CCI 209 shotshell primer instead of magnum

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. The company that makes Blackhorn 209 recommends using either the Federal 209A or CCI 209M primers for best results. That said, other stuff will absolutely work, though your results may vary. Give it a shot with the regulsr 209 shotshell pimers, but try something else if you run into ignition problems.

  • @jacklow8590
    @jacklow8590 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now we can use 209 primers in wa.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, that's a recent update for 2018. Glad they made that change! Good luck on your hunts!

  • @nuaymanibnmikaeel5747
    @nuaymanibnmikaeel5747 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hear this is the cleanest black powder substitute, anyone have any input on that? they all claim to be non corrosive low fouling etc, so hows this one?

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Blackhorn 209 still produces far more fouling than any smokeless powder, but it's the cleanest black powder substitute I've ever used. 777 is a very distant second. It's clean enough that you can fire several shots in a row without any decline in accuracy or difficulty in loading.

    • @wesleyharding7544
      @wesleyharding7544 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Been shooting black powder rifles and pistols since about 1963 and I love Blackhorn 209. Good stuff.

    • @paulparetta4793
      @paulparetta4793 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have been very happy with Blackhorn209. The crud ring is nil, and my barrel cleans with a wet patch pretty easily AFTER MY FIRST PASS. Gets dirty but isn’t stuck to he barrel.

  • @tomcurran8470
    @tomcurran8470 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bkackhorn 209 is not available now (May 2024).

  • @ihunt66
    @ihunt66 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid did you measure the granular powder (BH or 777) by weight or by volume

  • @hunters.6894
    @hunters.6894 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where'd you get that rail? Ive got the same gun and can't find one

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's an Williams Ace In The Hole Rail. I also have an EABCO rail (which is almost identical) for my CVA Wolf. Both rails will work really well on your CVA Optima. There are links to where you can buy both of them in the article below (near the end). Use promo code BIGGAMEHUNTER for 5% off your order.
      thebiggamehuntingblog.com/best-muzzleloader-sights/

  • @James_T_Kirk_1701
    @James_T_Kirk_1701 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video

  • @timsturgill3617
    @timsturgill3617 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    IS THE FIRESTAR 5 PELLET LOAD SAFE I HAVE THE CVA OPTIMA V2 & I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE 5 PELLET LOAD I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT MY OPTIMA WONT EXPLODE WITH THE 5 PELLET LOAD

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here's the word straight from Hodgon: With Triple Seven Pellets, some manufacturers recommend more than the two Pellet limit (3) listed by Hodgdon, and similarly you will find them recommending four (4) or five (5) FireStar Pellets. Five (5) Pellets operate at slightly higher velocities (30-90 fps), depending on components that three (3) Triple Seven Pellets, but at slightly lower pressures. Wherever muzzleloader manufacturers recommend three (3) Triple Seven Pellets, four (4) or five (5) FireStar Pellets should be safe to use.
      Read their full FireStar load data at: www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/triple-seven-firestar-data-by-bullet-weight.pdf

  • @stektirade
    @stektirade 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i read you can only use blackhorn 209 powder with 209 primers only and not to be used with regular inline with regular primers is this true?

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's correct: #10, #11, and musket caps won't reliably ignite Blackhorn 209. The company highly recommends using CCI 209M or Federal 209A primers with Blackhorn 209.

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Visit the link in the video description. You'll want to buy either CCI 209M or Federal 209A primers.

  • @raymondcava4669
    @raymondcava4669 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done thank you that video

  • @milo8425
    @milo8425 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welp, looks like blackhorn or bust. Thanks man!

  • @carlybaskin4608
    @carlybaskin4608 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    black horn is 4x the price of 777 here in canada....

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's unfortunately the case in the USA right now too...

  • @1hunterdale
    @1hunterdale 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i use cva 50cal mag load i kill deer with is 120 gr black horn with 44cal mag 180gr xtp bullet dont know how fps is just know from 0 to 250 yrds just hold on them they drop

  • @LastAmerican-f1n
    @LastAmerican-f1n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Black powder never goes bad ,back the fake stuff does.

  • @jeffking1798
    @jeffking1798 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    777 because, Blackhorn is almost impossible to get !

  • @poorfatman5317
    @poorfatman5317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @maineoutdoorsman677
    @maineoutdoorsman677 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man U got dumb this down u sound like a term paper

    • @Thebiggamehuntingblog
      @Thebiggamehuntingblog  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha, sorry about that. Bottom line: Blackhorn 209 offers a great combination of high velocity and consistency and the 777 FireStar pellets are almost as good, but a lot faster to load. Hope this helps!

  • @sixgunsun
    @sixgunsun ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice data compilation. Thank you!