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Apparently I need to be MUCH more obvious when I'm joking about things. Of course I'm not seriously suggesting the idea was to root through the trash for toy parts.
hey um what are the official kitbash tutorials called? I want to look at them
So the knife thing and garbage complaint about Japan. In Japan children are left alone from like age 6+. A child in Japan most likely is more careful with things than kids in the United States. Also the yougart thing isn't that crazy either. It is to each the kid to recycle so to speak. Clean out your bottle when you are done with it and use it to customize your toy.
Yeah, I didn't find it that weird. My dad was a hobby guy, and he had plenty of "trash" converted into parts or set pieces for his tabletop miniatures. And if the goal of the toyline was to appeal to older kids who built model kits, then showing them creative ways to assemble additions to their equipment is on brand.
I can just imagine if they had adapted beast hunters and they did the scene when megatron dies, and starscream looks at the camera and goes “lord megatron, No!!” Instead he goes “well kids megatron is in quite a state of bother.”
People dying is fine, they would probably have played it off as a joke.
Teaching kids to kit-bash is a great idea. Its where we've gotten a lot of props in film/cosplay from.
Use whatever you can find, fork, yogurt bottle, anything. Be creative. TRANSFORM it into something new.
That is what we need MORE of in society.
Why the hate on it?
It's no that he's hating on it but it's kinda weird to have a segment with the people who were involved in the toyline, talking about said toyline, and suddenly there's a Custom you can't replicate out of what they sell you
Transformers just aren't soposed to do that. The figure always come pre assembled for the purpose to transform cleanly. Trying to make it like a model kit builder just doesn't fit the type of figure Transformers are. Nobody wants to put trash painted silver on thiere figures. The only time were hasbro ever dose customizable figures are with the fossilizers, weaponizers, junkions and the new armorizors all come swappable parts packed in to each figure at the cost of having partsforming in the transformation. I think those types of figure are just customizable enough to be fun to mess around but also be accessible to younger audiences without the need for help to put them together.
There is no need to kit bash a slick one-of-the-best transformers in transformers engineering. That is offensive to the designer. I would be so offended by that. That transformer belongs in a museum. Do you see artist wanting to kit bash a Picasso? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
As far as I can tell, the official reason Breakdown never came out was never elaborated on beyond "it wasn't made to our standards" and "it would cost us too much to produce". Anything about the Arms Micron ports or US safety laws seems to have been fan inference.
@@sunshinespark8785 I believe that was the case for Jet Vehicon, but Breakdown seems to have been abnormally big for a Voyager, if anything.
meanwhile in Japan there are these group of people who call themselves "Transformers Prime purists" as in they prefer the American counterpart and made Japanese fansubs as they think the Japanese dub of Prime is garbage, they are like an underground Transformers fans in Japan, a similar group also prefer the original English Beast Wars over the Japanese dub.
I cannot tell if this is legit or a joke.
Can't say I blame them since we were like that over here with a lot of other animes that got changed to appeal to the western audience.
“Prime was too serious for them!” - like half this comment section
“Did you just scream like a little girl?”
“NOT THE PAINT, NOT THE PAINT”
“Howaah”
*Every Megatron advert on the Hub*
The dancing monkey
Smokescreen
Bumblebee’s exaggerated silent film actor style emoting
Starscream’s semi-frequent pratfalls
Agent Fowler
Jack’s mom crushing on Optimus Prime
A hilariously small amount of people trying to rebuild an entire planet in the movie
Miko
The visual of Optimus inside the Jackhammer
The fact that anything not named Cliffjumper that would leave any major impact is resolved the immediate next episode because they’re afraid of leaving the status quo 😶
Ah yes, truly the most dark and serious big boy transformers show for very big kids that is very serious.
Do some people not know that Japan made a show where Soundwave and Blaster tear each other to pieces and violently explode in 1987?
Also, Violen Jiger and the BW2 Nemesis are scarier than any Prime Terrorcon
TF Victory and Zone (Japanese Transformers cartoons, technically Zone is a OVA) also has Deathsaurus getting one of his eye cut off, Predaking getting his whole body cut in half, and the Japanese dub of the 1986 movie had everyone screaming when they died.
Here’s a thought.
The arms microns, as an addition to the toys, aren’t in the show.
Kids might see the cool little weapon guys and then be immediately disappointed that they aren’t in the show, a show made to advertise the original unaltered versions of the toys.
That could’ve driven down some sales, though I’m only speculating
How they handled Prime sounds a LOT like Takara executive meddling, and similar to what occured amidst production of the Brave series super robot shows they commissioned Sunrise to do; remaking a series' direction to meet a mandate instead of what audiences would actually WANT out of it. Takara execs seem contrarian; wanting merch to appeal to broad markets but going out of their way to screw over the shows that act as marketing for them, as a show that is good REGARDLESS of the merch line will do more to promote said merch than a bad or absurd show that more overtly shovels merch, as multiple Sentai, Rider, Ultra and Gundam series can attest.
...come to think of it, Transformers Prime in japan came out in 2012; right around the time that Bandai was making bank off of Kamen Rider OOO, Gokaiger, and the Gundam Seed Remaster. All of whom have their own serious bends which have the broad-market appeal that regularly escapes Takara.
Duh, Gundam in General is aimed 12-16+.
Amidst production; when ?
Since the toyline was marketed towards older children who built model kits, it's really not that farfetched to me that they advertised yogurt bottles. "Teaching children to dig through the trash" is a huge reach. Many model builders will take every-day items and turn them into equipment, terrain, etc. for their models/miniatures.
The homemade weapons are kinda neat. I remember having a DIY robot book as a kid that had like spray bottle robots and stuff. Really dug it. Plus, an excuse to get Yakult!
Takaratomy dialed in a buster call, Arms Micron was the tombstone that sealed the fate of transformers in japan. Prime was too violent for small children, but not violent enough to appeal to teenagers. Therefore, they choose to give it a 4kids-like dub (like beast wars) and censored most of it. Arm Micron never stood a chance in a year of very strong seasonal animes, and the rest was history.
So, that would explain why we got Transformers go, instead of season three
Very ironic what's touted as the 'edgiest' Transformers cartoon was deemed too tame for audiences of Shonen Jump anime which is more violent but watered down for American kids in the aughts.
Takara Tomy just never knew what to do with Transformers fiction. And their purely original toys were pretty panelly and janky.
@@Undravebeast wars the 2nd was awesome wdym?
@@Undrave wdym? Takara seem like the only ones who know what to do with transformers fiction these days. Hasbro don't even care to try any more and have only put out 3 good pieces of fiction in over 5 years (Bumblebee movie, Cyberverse season 2+3, Skybound comics)
I feel you could make a whole Video on Transformers' Weird Japanese dubs. As far as I know, all of the American shows' dubs were directed by the same guy, Yoshikazu Iwanami and they all follow the same style of humor, regardless of the tone of the actual show.
For the combination, you're supposed to gather the Arms Micron with the same colored gem but in different shapes. Note how the buster sword combination has yellow gems in three different shapes. Also, back then you could download a papercraft of the Arms Micron Theater sofa! Both in Autobot red and Decepticon purple.
It amazes me how Takara's handling of Prime basically killed all retail interest in the Transformers brand. The only way you can get Transformer toys in Japan is via online because retailers don't want to stock them in the store because of how badly Prime shelf warmed.
So these are the reasons WFC and FOC games, and the aligned books did not release in Japan.
For other topic ideas:
What if Transformers G1 toys had been designed with 2020s engineering from the very start (especially with less stickers) and the cartoon designs stuck much more closely to the toy concepts? Aside from the legal kerfuffle involving Jetfire. Heck, what if Hasbro gave much more of a care with the G2 toys and they borrowed Super Megatron from the Japanese continuity?
While Dreamwave was rightfully reviled, something they did right was their alternate universe of Armada. Rushed ending aside. What if the new comic owners could somehow continue on from that (or even have a timeline split that occurs before the rushed ending); especially with their own version of Cybertron's events. Or how would you polish up Armada; mainly the first half. Drastic changes to Energon you would make. Ways of giving Cybertron more of a connection to the previous entries (although ironically the Japanese version was originally planned to be a direct sequel).
Or a reinterpretation of the Transtech idea; with a new version of it not being a direct continuation of Beast Machines?
The first ine exists already: Missing Link.
TBH, I think a big part of why TF: Prime as a show failed to connect with Japanese audience in Japan might had something to do with how usually TF skews younger in Japan as a whole, for better or worse, but the self-serious TF: Prime is really sitting in a "No Man's Land". It's trying to to be some of the first more dramatic, serialized TV fiction kids in America encountered, but when you put the same show in the different media landscape of Japan...that didn't really work out.
TF: Prime like the first "big boy show" for Transformers (and unlike most TF shows nowadays there's an actual budget invested into it so the show at least got that going for), except Transformers fans seem to ignore that a lot of other "big boy" robot shows around the same time such as Gurren Lagann or Gundam 00 have done the whole "for slightly older audiences" schtick far better.
I really think TF: Prime was destined to be a commercial failure in that market even with a more faithful dub, as the show was both too dour to be inviting to younger kids, but also nowhere near actually dramatic and compelling enough for older audiences like Japanese adults who had grown up gotten used to watching things like Gundam. It doesn’t even really have the distinction of being the most dramatic Transformer series in Japan - it couldn’t ever threaten to have casualties or even real consequence, really, which something like Masterforce or Micron Densetsu did regularly, while maintaining a more colorful atmosphere.
I still don’t think it’s a terrible show for its actual market, but it’s a wonder at all anyone ever expected it to take off in Japan. It wound up in the exact wrong spot between two extremes. Of course the various dub "additions" don't help, but the show was always doomed to failed in the Japanese market from the start, which is probably why they took that approach with the dub in the first place - it was unlikely to be able to find a niche as a straightforwardly dramatic series alongside its competition.
From what I've read, Transformers has never held quite the same level of purchase in Japan, mostly due to its theming and ideas being out of sorts with traditional mecha. Mecha fans tend to like the genre because they see it as an empowering genre: it takes a regular human and gives them a giant robot that can go toe-to-toe with any threat. You don't get that with Transformers because the robots aren't human; hell, they're not even from Earth. And meanwhile, if you look at the toyline of any Japanese mecha series, you'll notice how the bad guys basically never get toys, unless the character becomes a good guy later--there's a perception that bad guy toys don't sell. This is why Takara has tried to experiment with both ideas in their Transformers stories, featuring overtly human pilots in stories like Masterforce and Kiss Players, and more frequently depicting villains as basically harmless and incompetent sorts who tend to ultimately drop out of being evil (Sky-Byte is easily the most famous example).
@@misterbadguy7325 I mean you say that yet the Brave series was very popular when it came out during the 80s. And they had sentient robots just like Transformers. As well as piloted mecha in some shows. Sometimes it was a mix of both. The only difference is that they focused more having the robots combine together to make bigger more powerful robots. Because that's typically a big appeal to Japanese kids. Super Sentai knows this all to well. Transformers though doesn't do it in the same way mecha shows do it. We've cultivated a stigma of not wanting parts-forming which often times limits how you can make a combination. And most combiners we get are just other members being arms and legs which is very boring. Whereas in mecha shows it's a lot more elaborate than that.
2:30 seriously I like arms micron as much as the other but I would want the og hammer bigger to rival bulkhead on legacy
The Arms Micron themselves are pretty fun. The decision to release every figure with 80% of their paint removed in favor of difficult-to-apply stickers was not. Transformers should never have to deal with stickers and I’m glad Titans Return and POTP ensured we’d never see them again.
Also, Go!’s Beast Hunters repaints are better than the actual Beast Hunters releases. Hunter Ratchet and the Predacons are so dang sexy in terms of color palettes it’s not even funny. Wouldn’t mind some “Swordbot Universe” figures (either based on the BH repaints or the original molds; I’d love to see Optimus Exprime get a Leader Class slot just to see how American audiences react to it) or a Go!-themed capsule in Legacy (we’ve already got Thundertron to repaint into Go Prime; why not go all the way once more of the Prime guys are in Generations?).
I wonder if the Weaponizers Sell well in Japan.
Im pretty sure it did , those will blend in with the Gatcha ball toys 😂
Any japanese fans here who watched the english dub online as it wasn't difficult to pirate the show as it came out?
I wanna hear your thoughts on the English dub at the time.
Wow, I didn’t know he was so against imagination and recycling 🤣 lmao
Surrounding a masterpiece with trash is offensive and absurd to the engineers and designers. Do you surround your work with trash?
I feel like there’s a big disconnect for TJ here. The customizing aspect is about ingenuity and creativity. You’re not gonna be rooting around through the garbage for parts. People use that exact yogurt cup for tooooons of customs. For many that’s the reason you buy them. You don’t just scavenge for parts in the garbage, you use what you have. You finish the drink, wash it out, then use it for parts.
I think he just isn’t a customizer, dude just kinda doesn’t get it. He keeps figures as they were sold and doesn’t alter them. It’s not a bad thing, it’s just a disconnect.
Arms Micron is something I wish caught on in the US , outside convention exclusives and the 10th anniversary releases. Minicons Hades and Gora II are ready fun to fiddle with
I will admit to purchasing Bulkhead, and many of the gashapon units, the gashapon as additional weapons for the Hasbro figs.
When Prime /arms micron was out, with some collectors it became a pick and choose. If you could afford the import prices.
Back then, individual Arms Microns could be imported for around $10 each. Fun times.
@@TechnicalJimActual from Hobbylink Japan, the best thing was to buy the box, 12 blind boxed arms microns, so one of each and a couple of doubles for the wave.
@@thomasthompson2431 Capsules or the ones on the sprues? I would just buy them on eBay for the most part.
I liked the Transformers Prime we got in North America, I love the story and the characters, I don’t know why it didn’t too well.
It was directly competing with the live action movies. Hasbro was competing with itself, and the cartoon lost. I’ll be honest, RiD15 is amazing in my opinion. If you ever watch the whole thing start to finish, again… no one watched it, it sunk like a lead anchor. The “Aligned Continuity” got the short end of the stick.
@@SamanthaS92RID 2015 for a more kids oriented audience wasn't a terrible show on its own but having it connected to TF Prime was definitely a big mistake. Tonenaly and from the artstyle they were completely different and RID 2015 just didn't feal like a faithfull sequel to TF Prime and had retcond in so many goofy looking zoo animal Decepticons for the purpose of being the villen of the weak. Each season had a contrived reason to have a nother stupid gimmick be introduced to sell more toys instead of furthering the storyline. RID 2015 suffers from being connected to TF Prime and should have been its own stand alone show. If it was never part of TF Primes continuity it would ben viewed with fare less critique and scrutiny and would have left a for more favorable image of its self. In my eyes i dont even consider RID 2015 as part of the TF Prime cannon because its just such a atrocious sequel series for a far superior predecessor.
i don't know, I wouldn't say they did the toy line worse. I still feel like the Arms Micron line overall was a better toy line. Not just because they released Breakdown but they gave us so much more. We got the Silas Breakdown, we got the Air Vehicons the Ironhide, Frenzy, etc. Some of the dark energon figures we didn't get here. Like that really amazing translucent black Bumblebee.
Sure it had it's weird stuff.
I have 3 questions for you
1 what's the best choice for an alt mode for Shockwave
2 what if Megatron, Soundwave, and Shockwave triple changes
3 are you having a good day
1: i'd say the stealth bomber alt mode from either cybertron or earthspark
2:
megatron - jet and tank
starscream - jet and car
shockwave - warship and tank
3:... idk
I like the tank from prime cause it’s a good place to put the cannon arm. Megatron tank/jet sees to work, soundwave van/stealth ship for spying purposes, shockwave energon had a cool idea of using a tank/satellite cause the arm canon could be a giant laser from or it
I wonder why they made Arms Micron like a Gunpla like Gundam and Zoids model
As mentioned in the video, model kits are incredibly popular in Japan, and the idea did well in testing.
Since the USA tended to butcher the OG Japanese Car Robots, Unicron Trilogy, etc, the Japanese skewing Prime (and Beast Wars) almost balances out.
I liked the arms micron it was a fun side bit you got and some of the combination weapon ones kinda cool the large grey sword or the sky boomshield2.0 pretty cool. the downside was missing accessories the micron were a bit big another issue was the remoulding some figures bad looking.
If hasbro brings back minicons maybe some of the cooler arms micron combo weapons could return as well, everything in legacy has ports so combination gimmicks are much easier to do
I really think a toyline focused around customization could work, but it would need to be built from the ground *up*, rather than taking existing toys and removing their decos for a sticker sheet.
About the sign-off: Have you been watching Comic Drake?
One of the things about the comedy dub, according to TF Wiki, is Airachnid is...obsessed with Jack, let's just say. Like "KIss Players" obsessed. That's just wrong. I wonder if they import Prime the way we do some of their shows? Maybe make fandubs?
I like the idea of encouraging them to use things around the house to make new things. It's my favorite form of recycling, one where it has new uses. Plus it encourages creativity and may create the next toy designer. Or they'll just kitbash for fun; either way's fine.
For the sake of staying monetized I left Airachnid off the video.
@@TJOmega Yeah, probably a good call.
@@TJOmega To quote the Seventh Doctor, "Very wise."
The way I see it, there are a lot of G1 characters that could have been in Transformers Prime that just didn't show up like Prowl, Side Swipe, Sun Streaker, or even Tracks or Hot Rod that could have easily been redesigned to fit into the show.
I have the Takara Jet Vehicon which never released in the U.S. It's the only Takara figure I own because I really like the design and concept behind the Prime Vehicons. I was able to get mine a lot cheaper than Japanes imports usually go for because I bought a loose one that had not been stickered and got an extra blaster from the U.S. version to go with it so they actually match cause I do not like the Arms Micron and had no interest in that accessory.
I didn't understand why the Jet Vehicon never released in the U.S. till I got that figure in hand. The wings actually have some sharp points that if they were to do an American version would have to remolded to dull those wings down or would likely be made of rubberized plastic instead of hard plastic and I don't think either option to make the wings comply with U.S. safty laws would have been as good as the Japanese toy is.
I don't have any experience with Breakdown so I'm still not sure what the issue was with that figure other than Hasbro not wanting to remold the parts for the American toy line.
Also I'm pretty sure season 3 did come out in Japan because Go wouldn't even make sense unless they saw season 3 of Prime first.
Optimus Prime first appears in his Beast Hunters body in season 3 of Prime and he dies at the end of Predacon's Rising.
Transformers Go starts with Optimus Prime being a ghost still in his Beast Hunters body so without Season 3 of Prime Japanese auduences would have no idea how Optimus ended up like that.
I always thought Transformers Go was a better sequel than RID2015 specifically because both shows feature a dead Optimus being brought back to life in a new body but RID2015 has Optimus appear in a new body while he's still dead and Go keeps him in his Beast Hunters form until it actually makes sense in story for him to be resurrected in a new body.
Also the Villains of Go are the Predacons and Japanese audiences would have no clue who any of them are or where they came from without seeing season 3 of Prime first sinse the big bad of Go has his origins explained in Prime season 3.
Go does reuse a lot of the molds but that's cause it's a continuation from where Prime ended not a replacement for season 3. It came out around the same time as RID2015 as well. So Prime had 2 entirely different sequels depending on which country you were from.
I didn’t know how much I hated the term “stickering” until just now. 😅
I think that the Arms Micron port deal is 🐳💩; let's ignore the eventual release of Breakdown in 2022 and even Hasbro's first use of the mold ("Most Wanted" Megatron). How about Beast Hunters Ultra Magnus, who was a retool of the Arms Micron version of Optimus Prime.
I love the arms micron! Brilliant little friends!
... and their Nemisis Prime, Silas Breakdown, Nemisis Bumblebee and Dark Energon Cliff jumper were some nice versions.
Honestly, Arms Micron by it’s own merits WAS a pretty neat toy line all things considered, if imports weren’t as expensive as they are these days it’s a toy line I would have invested in at least a little.
Honestly, I clicked on this video hoping to hear more about the Japanese dub of the show, hear your opinions of it. I found it a fascinating and kinda fun little venture personally, it felt more in-tone with Animated (which is not only my favorite Transformers show, but straight up my favorite cartoon of all time), and while I’m sure some of that is bias because I utterly DESPISE the (pardon my language) dogshit over-dramatic space opera drivel that Prime was over here, even besides that, there was something amusing about the utter tone shift between the two. It’s kinda the new-age version of the Headmasters dub, you don’t watch it because it’s good, you watch it because “wtf”. That’s how I feel about it, anyway-.
So, I could have made a purple mash, Optimus, prime/nemesis, prime? I need the Japanese version of nemesis prime!
Creativuty?NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet people were just hoping to get two of the arms micron that were the exact same color. Wheel jack and ratchet were probably two characters that I can think of that. Japanese fans would’ve had to do this for.
I think context plays a giant role in looking at releases after the fact... Sure, do these designs have odd choices and aesthetics? Yeah, when compared to today's choices, but they were definitely trying something new, which some people enjoy. I hear so many complaints about Hasbro releasing the same figures over and over... New designs get complaints and old designs get complaints 🤷
That's some wild stuff! Thanks for that. :)
Making things out of rubbish as a kid is pretty normal though? And so is using a scalpel for crafts since primary school like I’m pretty sure america is the weird one here
Who's more vain knockout or sunstreaker?
G1 Iguanus is vainer then both.
Look into Mpg-07 Ginoh.
Goes without saying that's gonna be for the Monday News Roundup.
I would fit in just fine.
Very enjoyable video
Transformers in Japan is just weird, full stop.
Who's more vain knockout or sunstreaker?