I used to be a member of flatirons church. I started there when it was in the shopping plaza across the street and was apart of helping move to the larger area. I was a very active member and apart of the security team. I actually fell away from church for a while after leaving flatirons because of the emptiness I had. I don't blame flatirons for the dark time in my life but I do call them out for not teaching or showing Christ in those same times. Some of the things I witnessed in security is what ultimately made me leave the church. That was over 5 years ago and my relationship with God is stronger and more amazing than ever now while also now attending a church that provides expository Bible teaching instead of picking a verse here and there to fit a sermon, a lot of times out of context. This church is a perfect example of what happens when you allow the world to lead your church while supporting worldly music and activities. The world will fill it and you will have to stay in the world to keep them there.
Well said. Similar thing happened to my family with a local Seeker-Driven portable church where I was serving on the production team and my wife was helping plan events and service elements. We realized things where off and prayed for discernment on things and God pulled us out during the lockdown in 2020, never to return to that "venue."
Wow?.?.? I'm nor sure what is worse...the seizure warning or the Nirvana song? I recently attended a church which worships over 7000 on Christmas Eve, that had a slide at the beginning of worship which said that children were not welcome in church because they distract people from connecting with God. The service ended with an altar call, I mean cell phone call. "If you have been moved to accept Jesus then text that to... " What????? The state of the modern church is well...pretty pathetic. Children are not welcome in church? Oh my goodness..."Let the little children come to me..." (Matthew 19:14).
I was a worship leader at a church like this, and this exact practice of secular songs in service is one of the main reasons we left. Totally ridiculous.
@@MF-yn2mfI totally & wholeheartedly understand that I'm not bezelt3. So I apologise in advance. But I don't know if trolling with a fake profile mocking those who are in Christ that prefer hymns & worship music - like what you're doing: is a character of what a believer in Christ should be doing.
No Ben, JESUS is enough. This is what millennials will be needing..more self exaltation, when JESUS is the only one to be exalted...if you are a true christian.
They truly are talented musicians in the hard rock genre. But I come to church to honor and worship God. I don't come for an Ozzy Osbourne concert! I was "treated" to a surprise one time about 25 years ago. It was a church service like this. I was thankful I brought my own car because I left after about 5 minutes.
This type of worship, and service is what ultimately pushed me to search for the truth. Which led me to the Holy Mass of the Eucharist. Thanks be to God.
This was the most simple, direct and concise explanation of justification, sanctification and salvation that i have ever heard! 👍 I already knew it all but hearing it laid out the way u did, was very impacting. 🤯I will be sharing this video with a time stamp @10:15
It is one of the earliest symbols (christograms) of Christianity. It is the CHi-Ro and is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters-chi and rho (ΧΡ)-of the Greek word ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ (Christos) in such a way that the vertical stroke of the rho intersects the center of the chi. There are two additional icons to the left and right which are the letters of the Alpha & Omega en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho
"The concert I went to at this secular music club and the atmostphere of Flat Irons are pretty much indistinguishable". Dear brother, you are correct to condemn the playing of Nirvana in church, but that kind of music is not suitable for a mature Christian anywhere, whether a secular club or at church. I do appreciate your content however, keep up the good work.
ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA......and I was a musician. This crap, was BAD back in my day. Let alone being played in a so called " church" or should I say CHURCHMART. This is DISGUSTING. On another note, I'm one of the people the WARNING was for. This whole mess, is an ABOMINATION. Thank you for your videos 😊 you are always ON POINT!
Who was rocking out to that “Smells like teen spirit?” 🤣 Nah, j/k, that was unacceptable I’m today’s church regardless of whether it’s conservative OR progressive. I’m embarrassed for them
The younger generation in these churches have never learned reverence, respect. They don't have it for their parents, teachers, the law, etc. So of course their not gonna have for God. They don't know what the Word says, they don't read it They let these so called pastors tell them what it says. I'm sure that you have noticed that this new generation of "pastors" don't use their bible's when they "teach". The sermons are all about your dream or how to be happy and not about the Gospel. There is no meat in these messages. Very sad. And don't these people know that as teachers they are held to high standards. What is he doing teaching thousands of people with out even knowing his bible! No seminary, never been ordained! What!
I love this video, just realized its older! You're explanation of justification and sanctification( at 10:43 min) really helped me understand, I am not certain why it's so hard to grasp. The preacher reviewed really missed an opportunity, he almost had it! I admire the way you use these examples of false teaching, without bashing the guy. It makes me wonder if he is not allowed to preach the true word he has to follow " guidelines" of that church ? Thanks so much!
I thought God said he is in everything and not to judge. ? God brought me to flatirons church while visiting family due to a loss, and gave me a message and showed me something amazing. God works through all things. To judge would be me living in my will not God's and would be alowing my ego to rule over me and not God. God is love
Love is but one of God’s attributes. God is also just. And a just God demands that sins be punished. A just God cannot look upon sin. We r sinful by nature. Because we r sinful, God’s wrath is reserved for us. But all glory to God, He made a way for us to escape His wrath. His name is Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus took upon himself the sin of the world. The sinless for the sinful. When we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, His righteousness is imputed on us as if we lived His perfect, sinless life. God is much much more than love.
I love rocks and roll and have been playing in bands, and worship for 30 years. I would never be comfortable playing this song or a lot like it in church. And I love your Kings X video. They are an amazing band 🤘
Thank you BezelT3 for your wisdom and insight into this secular brood of vipers. I have my own unique measuring stick for gauging the authenticity of a religious organization. At our local Mennonite Brethren church, I have the honor of being “Psalty” on our drama team. If you are unfamiliar with the persona of Psalty, you really need to look it up. Anyway, our membership is at about the 50 mark. Everyone absolutely loves when I do my Psalty routine. Edna Krehbiel even told me that I am the best Psalty that she has ever seen. This summer, I have had the honor of going on “tour” to different VBS’s and churches. Every time the attendance tops about 100, I have noticed that people are not as engaged with Psalty as they should be. I am beginning to think that evil infiltrates an organization at about the 100 mark. And we are saying that this church has a congregation that is 1000+????? No way jose. Speaking of jose, we have had quite a few spanish people moving nearby, which was alarming. One of these people named Juan Guzman started going to our church. I was surprised to find out that he is actually a nice person. He loves my Psalty act and as he describes it “muy beans!” The people at FCC could not even begin to appreciate my Psalty outreach ministry.
Douglas Prishpreed inwant to see salty! It sounds amaze and I love ❤️ when plays are pu T on,, like a brodway show!,, bwhahaha! I wach internet videos of salty now and learn!,,
Bwhahaha! I wach psaly and now I see! It is grate! Risky rat 🐀 is a vary bad! Risky rat is teh Jewish villan! Wach out for the 🐀 just stick to psalyt,, bwhahaha!
Douglas Prishpreed how encouraging to hear about your Psalty Ministry! Certainly this more glorifying to God than thundering Ba'al drums and Satan guitars! However, to be honest I'm not entirely sure a singing songbook is Scriptural. I don't recall any mention of a singing songbook. However, the Word does say that the "rocks and stones" will cry out. Perhaps you should consider trading in your Psalty outfit for a Large Singing Rock costume?? I understand the seductive nature of the celebrity that comes with playing the Psalty character, but are you sure you're not doing this for your own Glory and the hero worship of people like Mr. Guzman!!
Rick McPhalsworth oh heavens, I don’t sing or condone the use of music at all. I found the Psalty uniform in Pastor Erwin’s closet after he passed. I used to put it on and read the Psalms. Now I mostly read out of Irenaeus’ “Against Heresy” and point people to videos like Bezelt3. Here is a HILARIOUS joke I told though. “What happens to Psalt when it loses it’s Psaltyness?” I though it was really funny, but the congregation was a little lost because they didn’t hear the silent P.
This just makes me cringe. There’s this tired mood in the church where it seems like many pastors and congregants have yet to escape the brooding teen phase in life.
I want even got to the first part of his service I would have got up and walked out when they started playing Nirvana. If that is enough a bald-faced reason for God's discernment.
The closing prayer. Um, "jacked up" is a modern synonym and common usage for the more profane version. There is no reverence. No one was ever saved by cheap copies of secularized songs or even Christian songs that do not properly handle the word of God and properly explain it. I think of my friends from 30 years ago that " got saved" during the Jesus rock era. They have left God and dare I say peraps,they never knew Him? It was just cool to be Christian. I mean everyone was in right? Rez Band, Stryper, Petra, Amy Grant, Mylon LeFevre - did coke with Rick Derringer (Rick's claim). None of them handled the word properly and mostly preached a use of the Law and slaughtered the gospel putting it on YOU to do the right thing. Putting it on YOU to make a decision when you can't if you are dead in sin. Now we still fill stadiums with a message about YOU and not God and his mercy for us miserable, condemned sinners.
I would have IMMEDIATELY walked out of the building upon hearing the beginning of that song. Oh and that young man is a Teaching Pastor?? Is he old enough to have a drivers license?? He admittedly has No Biblical education. The Lead Pastor should never have him in the pulpit he until he AT LEAST had a degree in Biblical Studies. May God have mercy!
YES! King's X melts my face! But, I want my face melted at the Canyon Club, not while I'm trying to worship our Lord and Savior. Flat Irons is one of the many cookie cutter mega churches championing the lie that worship must be an experience to be real.
That has no place in the church! This reminds me of what I just read! “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23 KJV bible.com/1/mat.7.21-23.kjv
I seen this same loud music back in the 1950's I was 13 at several Pentecostal churches it started with a loud organ music it gets people into almost a trance then the stupid stuff started like crawling on the floor barking like dogs making other animal noises yelling screaming once that went on for awhile then the pastor would rob and steal as much of their paychecks he could the poorest of the poor in Washington DC I will never forget this nonsense did I get saved I don't think so but they scared the hell out of me even today the pastor has been in the news with a scam and has 2- 3 houses and a large congregation and big church building no this stuff will not go away but increase in madness.
Bob Scruggs I grew up in churches like that. I was drug to them by my mother. To this day I'm extremely cautious and nervous about any church to this day.
Yes, the music in itself, within reason is fine, as long as it's from a heart of worship to God. I completely agree that the Nirvana song was way out of bounds!!! The way they started out was already heading in the wrong direction and the lighting was out of bounds, as well... This was not true worship of the one and only Holy God and creator of the universe!!!
A pastor is specifically NOT to be young in the faith ! He himself said he has more years being mad at God than following God 🤦♀️ that is awful and, more importantly, UNBIBLICAL. He is not qualified to teach and it shows
For those who misuse the passage from Matthew 7 about not judging, and blithely say "What would Jesus do?", remember that He took a whip of cords and drove money changers, dove sellers and the like out of the Jewish temple........
@ 13:33 and, that's a problem? What? I've been listening to these videos today. I call them exposure videos. I'm concerned. I really am. I very concerned for the youth of today. I'm beginning to think there aren't any pastors/churches available that truly understand & preach the gospel. And, Nirvana? No, didn't like them in the past & I still don't. It's sad that people think that's okay. My gosh, I'm cringing for this young man. I'm almost embarrassed for him. Yikes.... uncomfortable for sure.
I totally agree, Bezel... Satan is actually their god. And he loves it when a "church" is so off course! They really need to hear and speak the Truth of God's Word 🙏
Most of Kurt Cobain's, Nirvana's singer, early lyrics were gibberish to make the rhymes or rhythm he wanted. However, as a contemporary style worship leader, I don't like using secular songs in a worship service. I love learning from you, btw. Keep up the good work! Now to use a liturgical call to worship on Sundays!
Important question: as Colossians said dont set your mind on things on earth...how do you balance or justify the fact that you like that old rock band you showed earlier? I like secular music sometimes too. You make it sound like church is for hymns (agreed) and if youre not in church you cam dabble in secularism as long as you dont sin? Ive been a Christian a long time. Scripture references for help?
Now I've seen everything. Today's preachers and worship leaders don't even know the very basics of salvation and Christianity. It's sickening and disgusting.
Such a casual dresser really he should wait to preach until he gets a manly voice learn the Bible and have a real compassion and heart for Jesus also maybe some real battered life experiences !
His teaching might be more effective with a great drama team supporting him, instead of these hooligans with guitars. A Psalty ministry would do wonders for this place.
As an aside Teen Spirit was Cobains response to friends, who thought he should use his bands growing popularity, to further social goals. Cobain thought the idea was wrong and it made him "feel stupid...and contagious." Teen Spirit is about his belief that music is fun. It's entertainment. Nothing more.
knowsmebyname this is poor entertainment at best. I have spent a lot of time and hard earned money on this thread, and I don’t think it is too much to ask for a sincere apology!
I’ve been to this church before with a friend and it is loud!!! They actually hand out ear plugs before you go in. It reminded me of a concert not a church. I obviously never went back. I don’t see the point of playing secular music in church other then appealing to the flesh and unbelievers.
In my country Lichtenstein we have only the Catholic church, which is not favorable to organize Rammstein concert! Will Flatoirns Church play any Rammstein? My Uncle Horst is biggest Rammstein fan of the world! Surely he will come to Faltiron, if he plays classical songs like Du Hast!! My aunt Marta always give him many troubles because he love Rammstein so much!! but she could shut up!! Rammstein in church music should be the best to make a good salvation !!!
Joeren Voralberg bwhahaha!,. I love ramsstin 🐑,!!!! So powerful guitars!.. bwhahaha! Bezl3 says flatiorn bad so dont have ramsren at tihs church!, Listn on a Walkman!, k like pkebio!,, bwhahaha 🚨🚄🚃🏹!,
I didn’t want to say it, in fact I deleted it but now I’m toning to: they are in it as a quick, tax free easy buck. The reason they get scripture wrong is because they preach “hear say” scripture.
Both are wrong. God imputes righteousness over our dead man. Col 3:3-4. God through grace (Jesus Christ) helps us live perfect as he is perfect. He sees the perfect righteousness of his son, because we imitate God. As scripture repeatedly tells us. 1 Jo 3:8. If we sin and say it's covered, we're lying to ourselves. Gal 2:17-18 If we sin, we are reaping destruction. Gal 5:19-21. The idea of a continuous battle is a twisting of Romans 7, to be the ongoing sin of believers. This makes Paul a liar as in Romans 6 and 8, he tells is we died to sin and no longer serve sin. We walk in the spirit and not the flesh, as we put the flesh to death. Col 3:5-6 Therefore we mortify the flesh so we are not sons of disobedience.
So these so called pastors really wanted to be rock stars but settled for pastor lol 😆 they are living out their fantasy, hmm thats really telling of what is really in their hearts.
What the heck is a worship service? Could you please turn to the section in the Bible that talks about the worship service? And the instructions for worship service? And the Commandment that we are to go to a worship service? Any one of those things actually would be good. Since I've never heard the term worship service in the Bible anywhere at all. The very concept that you're going somewhere to be served worship by someone else is a man-made invention much more similar to what the Pharisees we're serving up at the time of Jesus than what Jesus talked about
It's amazing to see Christians actually judging other Christians and using the BIBLE to do it. Um... ok. I don't think you really understand why Flatirons connects with the hearts and souls of so many. And that's ok. We are all so blessed in this country to choose how we worship. AMEN. I've been to Flatirons a few times in person and watch several sermons from Flatirons TH-cam channel. You can feel GOD in the room. If a little bit of country or rock & roll keeps some people coming back to hear the work of GOD, I'm down. Perhaps everyone can just take a breath and let people get to GOD on their own path and not pass judgement about what that path is paved with. If you can share the word of GOD in a way that connects with my personal journey and shows me how GOD is working in my life each and every day, again- I"M IN. AMEN!
I used to be a member of flatirons church. I started there when it was in the shopping plaza across the street and was apart of helping move to the larger area. I was a very active member and apart of the security team. I actually fell away from church for a while after leaving flatirons because of the emptiness I had. I don't blame flatirons for the dark time in my life but I do call them out for not teaching or showing Christ in those same times. Some of the things I witnessed in security is what ultimately made me leave the church. That was over 5 years ago and my relationship with God is stronger and more amazing than ever now while also now attending a church that provides expository Bible teaching instead of picking a verse here and there to fit a sermon, a lot of times out of context. This church is a perfect example of what happens when you allow the world to lead your church while supporting worldly music and activities. The world will fill it and you will have to stay in the world to keep them there.
Been there too Bro, found my own walk with Christ by simply searching for Him .
Well said. Similar thing happened to my family with a local Seeker-Driven portable church where I was serving on the production team and my wife was helping plan events and service elements. We realized things where off and prayed for discernment on things and God pulled us out during the lockdown in 2020, never to return to that "venue."
I am a humble 64 year old Baptist grandma. Before I found you Bezel I had no idea how much pseudo Christianity was out there. 😔
Agreed! I've never heard of so much foolishness.
Wow?.?.? I'm nor sure what is worse...the seizure warning or the Nirvana song? I recently attended a church which worships over 7000 on Christmas Eve, that had a slide at the beginning of worship which said that children were not welcome in church because they distract people from connecting with God. The service ended with an altar call, I mean cell phone call. "If you have been moved to accept Jesus then text that to... " What????? The state of the modern church is well...pretty pathetic. Children are not welcome in church? Oh my goodness..."Let the little children come to me..." (Matthew 19:14).
That's truly insane, text to receive Jesus??? I thought the hand up while everyone closes their eyes was stupid enough.
I was a worship leader at a church like this, and this exact practice of secular songs in service is one of the main reasons we left. Totally ridiculous.
ESLCommando English - agreed! if you feel like you have to sing, we have Psalms! Not radio rubbish!
@@MF-yn2mfI totally & wholeheartedly understand that I'm not bezelt3. So I apologise in advance. But I don't know if trolling with a fake profile mocking those who are in Christ that prefer hymns & worship music - like what you're doing: is a character of what a believer in Christ should be doing.
What songs English?
@@eph112joephil Says the person, with a fake profile, trolling the author and condemning him for standing in the faith. Well played🙄
I literally mumbled ‘you have got to be kidding me..’ when that opening Nirvana riff played. I am offended, truthfully. God help us.
No Ben, JESUS is enough. This is what millennials will be needing..more self exaltation, when JESUS is the only one to be exalted...if you are a true christian.
If the worship team at my church i would walk right out! No! I would run out!!!!
Christ is the only savior. My works are nothing. He is the vine, we are the branches. Without Him we can do nothing.
They truly are talented musicians in the hard rock genre. But I come to church to honor and worship God. I don't come for an Ozzy Osbourne concert! I was "treated" to a surprise one time about 25 years ago. It was a church service like this. I was thankful I brought my own car because I left after about 5 minutes.
Hey Bezel, your channel is amazing and very well done. Thank you.
When children want to play church, this is what happens...
I have a good friend on the worship team here and I couldn’t agree more with Bezel
Oh! Oh my word! I’m absolutely speechless. Nirvana during a worship service... What in the world?
This type of worship, and service is what ultimately pushed me to search for the truth. Which led me to the Holy Mass of the Eucharist. Thanks be to God.
Sherman Beebe sounds like Catholicism. And if it like that then it’s pagan!
Very good! I love bezel t3 ministry! You have helped me more than you know!!!
This was the most simple, direct and concise explanation of justification, sanctification and salvation that i have ever heard! 👍 I already knew it all but hearing it laid out the way u did, was very impacting. 🤯I will be sharing this video with a time stamp @10:15
OH MY GOODNESS. TELL ME THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN CHURCH 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Bible Believer hi I was wondering what the the logo for your profile picture meant. seen it a few times. God bless you and keep you
It is one of the earliest symbols (christograms) of Christianity. It is the CHi-Ro and is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters-chi and rho (ΧΡ)-of the Greek word ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ (Christos) in such a way that the vertical stroke of the rho intersects the center of the chi. There are two additional icons to the left and right which are the letters of the Alpha & Omega
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho
This is not a Christian church. It's a secular operation with an unsaved body and God-less cover band.
"The concert I went to at this secular music club and the atmostphere of Flat Irons are pretty much indistinguishable". Dear brother, you are correct to condemn the playing of Nirvana in church, but that kind of music is not suitable for a mature Christian anywhere, whether a secular club or at church. I do appreciate your content however, keep up the good work.
ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA......and I was a musician. This crap, was BAD back in my day. Let alone being played in a so called " church" or should I say CHURCHMART. This is DISGUSTING. On another note, I'm one of the people the WARNING was for. This whole mess, is an ABOMINATION. Thank you for your videos 😊 you are always ON POINT!
I was the right age for that garbage but I never liked it.
That Ironc Church seems to be really flat, indeed.
Who was rocking out to that “Smells like teen spirit?” 🤣 Nah, j/k, that was unacceptable I’m today’s church regardless of whether it’s conservative OR progressive. I’m embarrassed for them
The younger generation in these churches have never learned reverence, respect. They don't have it for their parents, teachers, the law, etc. So of course their not gonna have for God. They don't know what the Word says, they don't read it
They let these so called pastors tell them what it says. I'm sure that you have noticed that this new generation of "pastors" don't use their bible's when they "teach". The sermons are all about your dream or how to be happy and not about the Gospel. There is no meat in these messages. Very sad. And don't these people know that as teachers they are held to high standards. What is he doing teaching thousands of people with out even knowing his bible! No seminary, never been ordained! What!
I love this video, just realized its older! You're explanation of justification and sanctification( at 10:43 min) really helped me understand, I am not certain why it's so hard to grasp. The preacher reviewed really missed an opportunity, he almost had it! I admire the way you use these examples of false teaching, without bashing the guy. It makes me wonder if he is not allowed to preach the true word he has to follow " guidelines" of that church ? Thanks so much!
I thought God said he is in everything and not to judge. ? God brought me to flatirons church while visiting family due to a loss, and gave me a message and showed me something amazing. God works through all things. To judge would be me living in my will not God's and would be alowing my ego to rule over me and not God. God is love
Love is but one of God’s attributes. God is also just. And a just God demands that sins be punished. A just God cannot look upon sin. We r sinful by nature. Because we r sinful, God’s wrath is reserved for us. But all glory to God, He made a way for us to escape His wrath. His name is Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus took upon himself the sin of the world. The sinless for the sinful. When we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, His righteousness is imputed on us as if we lived His perfect, sinless life. God is much much more than love.
I love rocks and roll and have been playing in bands, and worship for 30 years. I would never be comfortable playing this song or a lot like it in church. And I love your Kings X video. They are an amazing band 🤘
Thank you BezelT3 for your wisdom and insight into this secular brood of vipers. I have my own unique measuring stick for gauging the authenticity of a religious organization. At our local Mennonite Brethren church, I have the honor of being “Psalty” on our drama team. If you are unfamiliar with the persona of Psalty, you really need to look it up. Anyway, our membership is at about the 50 mark. Everyone absolutely loves when I do my Psalty routine. Edna Krehbiel even told me that I am the best Psalty that she has ever seen. This summer, I have had the honor of going on “tour” to different VBS’s and churches. Every time the attendance tops about 100, I have noticed that people are not as engaged with Psalty as they should be. I am beginning to think that evil infiltrates an organization at about the 100 mark. And we are saying that this church has a congregation that is 1000+????? No way jose. Speaking of jose, we have had quite a few spanish people moving nearby, which was alarming. One of these people named Juan Guzman started going to our church. I was surprised to find out that he is actually a nice person. He loves my Psalty act and as he describes it “muy beans!” The people at FCC could not even begin to appreciate my Psalty outreach ministry.
Douglas Prishpreed inwant to see salty! It sounds amaze and I love ❤️ when plays are pu
T on,, like a brodway show!,, bwhahaha! I wach internet videos of salty now and learn!,,
Bwhahaha! I wach psaly and now I see! It is grate! Risky rat 🐀 is a vary bad! Risky rat is teh Jewish villan! Wach out for the 🐀 just stick to psalyt,, bwhahaha!
Douglas Prishpreed how encouraging to hear about your Psalty Ministry! Certainly this more glorifying to God than thundering Ba'al drums and Satan guitars! However, to be honest I'm not entirely sure a singing songbook is Scriptural. I don't recall any mention of a singing songbook. However, the Word does say that the "rocks and stones" will cry out. Perhaps you should consider trading in your Psalty outfit for a Large Singing Rock costume?? I understand the seductive nature of the celebrity that comes with playing the Psalty character, but are you sure you're not doing this for your own Glory and the hero worship of people like Mr. Guzman!!
Rick McPhalsworth oh heavens, I don’t sing or condone the use of music at all. I found the Psalty uniform in Pastor Erwin’s closet after he passed. I used to put it on and read the Psalms. Now I mostly read out of Irenaeus’ “Against Heresy” and point people to videos like Bezelt3. Here is a HILARIOUS joke I told though. “What happens to Psalt when it loses it’s Psaltyness?” I though it was really funny, but the congregation was a little lost because they didn’t hear the silent P.
Douglas Prishpreed Just observing from your original comment here...you seem fairly prideful about being Psalty...that's the way it comes off anyway.
I have no words smh
This just makes me cringe. There’s this tired mood in the church where it seems like many pastors and congregants have yet to escape the brooding teen phase in life.
I went there in 2004/2005. At that time, I remember them playing covers of Tom Petty and "Send the Pain Below" by Chevelle
I want even got to the first part of his service I would have got up and walked out when they started playing Nirvana. If that is enough a bald-faced reason for God's discernment.
Greg Banter we shold all walk out on ,flatiorn! They have to much rock and rol and not enogh bezel3!
The closing prayer. Um, "jacked up" is a modern synonym and common usage for the more profane version. There is no reverence. No one was ever saved by cheap copies of secularized songs or even Christian songs that do not properly handle the word of God and properly explain it. I think of my friends from 30 years ago that " got saved" during the Jesus rock era. They have left God and dare I say peraps,they never knew Him? It was just cool to be Christian. I mean everyone was in right? Rez Band, Stryper, Petra, Amy Grant, Mylon LeFevre - did coke with Rick Derringer (Rick's claim). None of them handled the word properly and mostly preached a use of the Law and slaughtered the gospel putting it on YOU to do the right thing. Putting it on YOU to make a decision when you can't if you are dead in sin. Now we still fill stadiums with a message about YOU and not God and his mercy for us miserable, condemned sinners.
If you don't make it as a rock star, just join a church where you can make believe while kidding yourself you're doing God's work.
Music performances like this are fine you just can’t call it worship. Just call it a concert and a sermon.
why do all of these worship bands sound like U2 with Christian lyric?
I would have IMMEDIATELY walked out of the building upon hearing the beginning of that song. Oh and that young man is a Teaching Pastor?? Is he old enough to have a drivers license?? He admittedly has No Biblical education. The Lead Pastor should never have him in the pulpit he until he AT LEAST had a degree in Biblical Studies. May God have mercy!
That is a rock concert totally not a worship service what are they thinking !!!!!!!!
YES! King's X melts my face! But, I want my face melted at the Canyon Club, not while I'm trying to worship our Lord and Savior. Flat Irons is one of the many cookie cutter mega churches championing the lie that worship must be an experience to be real.
That has no place in the church! This reminds me of what I just read!
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
bible.com/1/mat.7.21-23.kjv
I seen this same loud music back in the 1950's I was 13 at several Pentecostal churches it started with a loud organ music it gets people into almost a trance then the stupid stuff started like crawling on the floor barking like dogs making other animal noises yelling screaming once that went on for awhile then the pastor would rob and steal as much of their paychecks he could the poorest of the poor in Washington DC I will never forget this nonsense did I get saved I don't think so but they scared the hell out of me even today the pastor has been in the news with a scam and has 2- 3 houses and a large congregation and big church building no this stuff will not go away but increase in madness.
Bob Scruggs I grew up in churches like that. I was drug to them by my mother. To this day I'm extremely cautious and nervous about any church to this day.
Yes, the music in itself, within reason is fine, as long as it's from a heart of worship to God. I completely agree that the Nirvana song was way out of bounds!!! The way they started out was already heading in the wrong direction and the lighting was out of bounds, as well... This was not true worship of the one and only Holy God and creator of the universe!!!
A pastor is specifically NOT to be young in the faith ! He himself said he has more years being mad at God than following God 🤦♀️ that is awful and, more importantly, UNBIBLICAL. He is not qualified to teach and it shows
For those who misuse the passage from Matthew 7 about not judging, and blithely say "What would Jesus do?", remember that He took a whip of cords and drove money changers, dove sellers and the like out of the Jewish temple........
@ 13:33 and, that's a problem? What? I've been listening to these videos today. I call them exposure videos. I'm concerned. I really am. I very concerned for the youth of today. I'm beginning to think there aren't any pastors/churches available that truly understand & preach the gospel. And, Nirvana? No, didn't like them in the past & I still don't. It's sad that people think that's okay. My gosh, I'm cringing for this young man. I'm almost embarrassed for him. Yikes.... uncomfortable for sure.
I wish I had seen some of these vids before attending Flat Irons.
How did they arrive at the name Flatiron?
There’s a mountain in Boulder, co nearby that’s called the flatirons.
I totally agree, Bezel... Satan is actually their god. And he loves it when a "church" is so off course! They really need to hear and speak the Truth of God's Word 🙏
They are drinking the cup of demons.
Most of Kurt Cobain's, Nirvana's singer, early lyrics were gibberish to make the rhymes or rhythm he wanted. However, as a contemporary style worship leader, I don't like using secular songs in a worship service. I love learning from you, btw. Keep up the good work! Now to use a liturgical call to worship on Sundays!
Aaron Smith no mor seclar songs in church! Bezl3 has lay downt teh lawand I Agee!, this is not mtv!, bwhahaha! Lol!🚚 just teach and lern!,
Important question: as Colossians said dont set your mind on things on earth...how do you balance or justify the fact that you like that old rock band you showed earlier? I like secular music sometimes too. You make it sound like church is for hymns (agreed) and if youre not in church you cam dabble in secularism as long as you dont sin? Ive been a Christian a long time. Scripture references for help?
Now I've seen everything. Today's preachers and worship leaders don't even know the very basics of salvation and Christianity. It's sickening and disgusting.
I do not do guilt and I do not do inadequacies.
Such a casual dresser really he should wait to preach until he gets a manly voice learn the Bible and have a real compassion and heart for Jesus also maybe some real battered life experiences !
Bob Scruggs but who'd tell us these cool stories and explain to us how unqualified he is?
His teaching might be more effective with a great drama team supporting him, instead of these hooligans with guitars. A Psalty ministry would do wonders for this place.
Amen, bro. Don't know ya very well, but if we agree that this is unbecoming for a church, then we should get along just fine.
As an aside Teen Spirit was Cobains response to friends, who thought he should use his bands growing popularity, to further social goals. Cobain thought the idea was wrong and it made him "feel stupid...and contagious." Teen Spirit is about his belief that music is fun. It's entertainment. Nothing more.
knowsmebyname this is poor entertainment at best. I have spent a lot of time and hard earned money on this thread, and I don’t think it is too much to ask for a sincere apology!
@@MF-yn2mf apology-for what? I think there is a misunderstanding.
knowsmebyname how dare you, have you ever heard of punitive damages?
The fact he made the comment "that's Nirvana at church" shows that the only reasons they did it was for shock value and to appeal to the unsaved.
Unbelievable. Apostasy.
I’ve been to this church before with a friend and it is loud!!! They actually hand out ear plugs before you go in. It reminded me of a concert not a church. I obviously never went back. I don’t see the point of playing secular music in church other then appealing to the flesh and unbelievers.
how can you be saved but still sin? how?
Secular songs have no place in worship services. It might take people back to a tough in their lives.
I cannot understand how the pastor still has a job
Heck! I didn't think Kings Xs was still around! Sorry. Off subject. 👍
In my country Lichtenstein we have only the Catholic church, which is not favorable to organize Rammstein concert! Will Flatoirns Church play any Rammstein? My Uncle Horst is biggest Rammstein fan of the world! Surely he will come to Faltiron, if he plays classical songs like Du Hast!! My aunt Marta always give him many troubles because he love Rammstein so much!! but she could shut up!! Rammstein in church music should be the best to make a good salvation !!!
Joeren Voralberg bwhahaha!,. I love ramsstin 🐑,!!!! So powerful guitars!.. bwhahaha! Bezl3 says flatiorn bad so dont have ramsren at tihs church!, Listn on a Walkman!, k like pkebio!,, bwhahaha 🚨🚄🚃🏹!,
I suppose we could say that at least they didn't throw in a Slayer song...
I didn’t want to say it, in fact I deleted it but now I’m toning to: they are in it as a quick, tax free easy buck. The reason they get scripture wrong is because they preach “hear say” scripture.
Both are wrong. God imputes righteousness over our dead man. Col 3:3-4.
God through grace (Jesus Christ) helps us live perfect as he is perfect. He sees the perfect righteousness of his son, because we imitate God.
As scripture repeatedly tells us. 1 Jo 3:8.
If we sin and say it's covered, we're lying to ourselves. Gal 2:17-18
If we sin, we are reaping destruction. Gal 5:19-21.
The idea of a continuous battle is a twisting of Romans 7, to be the ongoing sin of believers. This makes Paul a liar as in Romans 6 and 8, he tells is we died to sin and no longer serve sin. We walk in the spirit and not the flesh, as we put the flesh to death.
Col 3:5-6
Therefore we mortify the flesh so we are not sons of disobedience.
'That's Nirvana at church...' Erm, no. That's unsaved members of a cover band playing a song by Nirvana at a converted Wal Mart
pastors are to be trained?????? why they are chosen are they not?
Definitely don’t agree with it, at the end of the service. Should be a good praise and worship song to get that holy spirt in there.
If I have to hear about hockey one more time!! Ugh...my pastor talks about hockey ALL the time...
Betty Glitter47 that is ridiculous. Hockey has NO place at church.
Douglas Prishpreed
Agreed
Ka-riiiiiiiiiiiinge.
😂😂😂😂😂….. Wow! Very impressive! So how does that make you feel?
So these so called pastors really wanted to be rock stars but settled for pastor lol 😆 they are living out their fantasy, hmm thats really telling of what is really in their hearts.
The boy in a pink shirt need to eat a big Mac
I love that song BUT totally inappropriate for the House of God... 🤦🏽♀️
Onces those light hit I'm out and this is not Christian songs
And here I thought @BEZELT3 inserted that disclaimer as a spoof
ritalinkidsnritalintrips that's what I thought
Me too! Lol
this is absolute sickness
I can't stand these kind of "churches."
Kurt Cobain... the great psalmist himself 🙄.
I take it Bach is out.
Unbelievable.
This is not a church it's a rock concert they are so wrong
Maybe they are practicing band in hell
man. That's somethin ain't it :(
What the heck is a worship service? Could you please turn to the section in the Bible that talks about the worship service? And the instructions for worship service? And the Commandment that we are to go to a worship service? Any one of those things actually would be good. Since I've never heard the term worship service in the Bible anywhere at all. The very concept that you're going somewhere to be served worship by someone else is a man-made invention much more similar to what the Pharisees we're serving up at the time of Jesus than what Jesus talked about
oh yes got to have water to drink like he wore himself out
This bad motivational speaking
It's amazing to see Christians actually judging other Christians and using the BIBLE to do it. Um... ok. I don't think you really understand why Flatirons connects with the hearts and souls of so many. And that's ok. We are all so blessed in this country to choose how we worship. AMEN. I've been to Flatirons a few times in person and watch several sermons from Flatirons TH-cam channel. You can feel GOD in the room. If a little bit of country or rock & roll keeps some people coming back to hear the work of GOD, I'm down. Perhaps everyone can just take a breath and let people get to GOD on their own path and not pass judgement about what that path is paved with. If you can share the word of GOD in a way that connects with my personal journey and shows me how GOD is working in my life each and every day, again- I"M IN. AMEN!
This is just a bunch of stone throwing. I can’t wait to go to the next service at Flatirons. Jesus is changing my life there.