I don't know why people were complaining about your english, it's better than a lot of people in the U.S.A ! keep up the great content, it's extremely interesting and unique!
First looks like an infrared seeker from either an Igla or Verba (probably Igla). It's a rolling airframe missile so the fact that it's a linear array of infrared sensing elements makes more sense than in an Iskander. The missile "rolls" at a relatively high rate (900+ RPM) and as it rolls it's building a virtual image from the rolling action of the missile This was a common technique with early "4th generation" surface to air systems that were prior to the ubiquity of the larger 128x128 or 56x56 focal plane arrays you see in more modern imaging missile systems from the early 2000s and didn't require as much processing power and techniques like this were a lot cheaper and production volume ready than true larger format FPAs in the late 80s and 90s. The same technique is applied in the US Navy RIM-116 except it also includes a pair of inline interferometers for RF detection/fusing against radiating targets like active seeker anti-ship missiles. The RIM-116 also has a much better linear array; 80 elements in a 80x1 focal array.
wow the airframe rolls at 1000 rpm ! so that's a refresh rate of about 16 Hz. it probably does some interpolation between frames. still shocked that an airframe would be rolling at that speed. if the missile is not centripitally balanced, it would be doing a cork-screw through the air.
I'm by no means an expert, but the rest of the components don't look like from these 4th gen SA missiles. They look way too modern. Why would you use old sensors but modern SMD boards?
@@mtrest4 I've seen some open source documents that put the RIM-116 rotation rate in the 1000-1500 RPM ballpark and videos I've seen of the test rig for the seeker subsystem have it spinning at a very high rate, easily 20+ revolutions per second.
@@txm100 Partial modernization of older systems is pretty common as manufacturing techniques improve while you maintain the original system design. Largely because the testing and verification of weapons is extensive and time consuming. Upgrading too many things at once or changing core operating principles (even if the end result in the same) is generally seen as requiring repeating previously done verification and test programs because you've effectively built a new system. For this example, upgrading amplifier assemblies is easy to verify and show that it won't change how the core system works or functions, but replacing the seeker with a full-format FPA and a totally different digital imaging system is not equivalent and why you see old technology persist in either its existing flavor attached to new subsystems or in slightly different flavors as manufacturing techniques improve. Designing systems and building them is the easy part, the hard part is test and evaluation and making sure it works as close to the system goal as possible 100% of the time.
@@billyjoel22359 An underrated comment. Any time system processing is changed in a non-trivial way, there are also security risks - not just information leaking but also software or hardware injection. I've heard that this is a bad enough problem in civilian space, to say nothing of this.
*Summary* - *Intro* - 0:10: Received two packets from Ukraine. - 0:13: First packet from Kiev, second from Dnipro. - *Optical Sensor from 9M727 Iskander Missile* - 0:29: Optical sensor, part of a Russian Iskander missile 9M727. - 0:48: Contains 16 photocells, likely infrared photodiodes. - 0:55: Bonding wires are missing. - 1:01: Four identical PCBs, each with four amplifiers. - 1:24: Central part connects 16 signals, likely with a single output. - 1:53: Ceramic IC, Russian made, dated 2004, possibly encodes the 16 signals. - 2:09: Plans to reverse engineer and possibly restore the sensor. - *3-Axis Fiber Optic Gyroscope (probably from Tornado MLRS)* - 2:45: Three-axis fiber optic gyroscope, likely from a Russian missile. - 3:37: Contains a roll of fiber optic using the Sagnac effect. - 3:44: Connected to an infrared LED. (Superluminescent LED DL-CS5153A, 1550nm, 40nm FWHM, 10..35mW, DenseLight, InP fab in Singapore) - 4:04: Measures light delay due to rotation, using a coupler and phase modulator. - 4:19: Phase modulator compensates for delay caused by Sagnac effect. - 4:48: Circuit includes three ADCs and three DACs. - 5:18: FPGA board from Altera, Cyclone II model. - 5:28: Board removed from assembly, wires cut. - 6:15: Plans to reverse engineer and possibly test the device. - 6:00: Noted missing components, possibly power supply. - 6:05: Temperature sensor observed. - 6:30: Intends further investigation and reverse engineering. - *Conclusion* - 6:31: Thanks viewers and anticipates a future video about the sensor. *Summary of top comments as of 2023-12-30* - Some commenters debate the origin of the optical sensor, suggesting it might be from an Igla or Verba man-portable air-defense system (MANPADS) rather than from an Iskander missile due to the rolling airframe missile design and the type of infrared sensing elements used. A few commenters express doubt that the first sensor is from an Iskander missile, with one noting that Iskander is a ballistic missile and would not have an infrared seeker. - There is a discussion about the use of older sensor technologies with modern circuit boards, with one commenter explaining that partial modernization is common to avoid extensive retesting while maintaining the core system design. - One commenter identifies the chips on a PCB as output isolators, suggesting specific models and noting the data path from the FPGA to these chips. - A detailed identification of a chip is provided, including its code, pointing out that it is an Altera/Intel FPGA. - There is a mention of a fiber optic gyroscope potentially being made from low-cost optics, with admiration for its construction. - There is an observation about the continued use of PTFE insulated wires in the designs. - Several comments note the reliance on Western components in Russian military electronics, with some expressing amazement that no domestic components are used and others remarking on the obsolescence of certain parts.
Thanks MIchel for this very interesting content! From your previous video I understand there were some complaints on your English, but I find it very clear and comprehensible. Some of my coworkers are much harder to understand!
@@continental_drift I know how closed captions work, but the situation has to be very bad to make me bother to go click on a thing. Realistically I have the phone/laptop on a shelf and doing the dishes or soldering stuff or installing software on another computer while having the clip in the corner of my eye.
The big micro chip is definitely not from a vacuum cleaner. Few things need a gyro. Definitely mil quality. Phase modulator can also detect angle of approach. Beautiful, I used to have a job designing that stuff when I was a younger man. Those connectors are very expensive. Silicone is also used for vibration suppression. That thing must be subject to extreme vibration at the speed it approaches. Thank you, it was very interesting. It is a bit more modern than when I was in defence research in the mid/late seventies, where angle of approach and speed was measured using Doppler radar.
Optical or not, it's still an inertial gyro. So, the entire board can only do the one thing. It's a math exam..."I want to know my velocity." "Well, Sir, we can only know velocity if we measure velocity over a span of time." "Do we know my velocity yet?" "No sir, we only know what your velocity was. It isn't possible that your velocity is that any more." "Then why did you bother to calculate it?" "Because you are the boss Sir."
I once was involved in the early fibre gyroscope development as an engineer way back in the 80's .. gotta say I'm impressed with this Russian version . Looks very well made and the block diagram shows very advanced processing
Разбаланс в стиральных машинах определяется не по акселерометрам, а по величине пульсаций напряжения на обмотке таходатчика на двигателе. После амплитудного детектора измеряется АЦП и определяется величина разбаланса
@@henryyoung7184 In her defence most in EU clearly couldn’t understand why TerroRussians are stealing washing machines and toilets. The concept is so alien that such ideas come up.
The first sensor looks a lot like a midwave IR spectrometer sensor. These used ferroelectric BST crystals mounted in a linear array. The light source is chopped blanked or otherwise moddulated.
Michel, you're in the same region of ebay as I am! I was eyeing these to tear down after I had hands on time with them in Kyiv earlier this year. That FOG is from the TORNADO MLRS, I tore down four while over there
То что блогер с 20-тью тысячами подписчиков получил в распоряжение часть искандера - несусветная чушь сама по себе. Вообще, надо сообщить, для тех кто не в курсе - Украинский и Российский ВПК работали бок о бок до середины 2010-х годов, на протяжении 90 лет (со врем образования СССР) и поэтому на Украине полно компонентов используемых в российском вооружении производимом со времен СССР, но КОНЕЧНО не в последних образцах вооружения, которые уже разрабатывались или модернизировались в России в 21 веке. с оглядкой на тот факт ,что украинцы продадут какие угодно ВАШИ секреты, и не важно 0 друзья вы их, или вы их враги.
@@u666sa not at all. And I have quite a bit of exposure to military electronics. It looks like commercial spec construction, almost from a drone or something like that. It is definitely not from an Iskander.
@@VasiliyLomovoy ты чета не совсем понял... жители Северска жалуются царю что у них совсем плохо с врачами. и записали челобитную. ты забывши совсем что золото в ракетах - это нищета пенсионеров. нищенские зарплаты и просрочка у Пятерочки. твое фуфлогонство на теме убийства славян засчитано.
the last frames show places with missing details. There are traces of thermal paste left. It can be assumed that there were electric heaters that, together with temperature sensors, provided thermal stabilization
The official name is "Multifunctional Integrated Optical Module". The stuff inside includes more than just the modulators. This is one of the most critical to the performance of the entire gyroscope components. The know-how of the manufacturer is precisely in these optical parts, while the electronics, as we see here, is built with the ordinary off-the-shelf components. These gyroscopes are (or at least were until recently) sold internationally, and a rather detailed information about them is openly available. Although the manufacturing is done in Russia, the company is actually half owned by foreign investors.
It would have been interesting to see the optics in front of the linear sensor. Unusual way of making the gyro. We use different techniques in aircraft avionics nowadays, using prisms instead of optical fibre. Fibre can move and vibrate causing jitters to the data rate. Imagine a police car siren coming towards you with a loose mounting for the siren. The tone wouldn't be pure. Same kinda concept.
Оптоволокно не свободно. Оно находится в компаунде. Оптоволокно изотропно по длине. И это дешевле, чем использовать призмы, для которых надо еще сварить изотропное стекло. Fiber cannot move. It is filled with compound. The optical fiber is isotropic in length. And this is cheaper than using prisms, for which isotropic glass must also be welded.
I would bet you Michel, that the missing parts were taken off on purpose. SOMETIMES to much information can be a hindrance from victory on the battlefield. But that is only an assumption and not a fact. I like the videos fella. JOB WELL DONE !!!!
Thanks for touching this important topic. Of course, FPGAs are not taken from fridges or washing machines. They get delivered to Russia, Iran and other countries.
плис делали еще в ссср. обидно что в мире считают что у нас в России немогут делать электронику. Я как бывший работник завода который делал электронные компоненты скажу, у нас упор идет не на уменьшение и быстродействие а на надежность. Я лично принимал партии компонентов после изготовление и каждый элемент из партии проверялся под микроскопом. Да это дорого и энергоемко , за то на выходе получаются приборы которые могут пережить огромные ударные нагрузки и сохранить параметры.
FPGA chips are manufactured in Russia, look for Google 5578TC094, for example, so everything has its time, perhaps in the next review, when Misha will disassemble the next block from the rocket, we will see it there.
5:44 At the bottom right corner above the ADC the header it look like a JTAG header. It will be intresting to see if there are any kind of fpga configuration eeporm where the bitsteam for the FPGA is stored. I'm sure that even if exists it's content is encrypted. Merci beaucoup d'avoir partagé ces démontages avec nous.
FPGA config data isn't typically encrypted. However reverse engineering the config is very time consuming (although it shouldn't be), as each bit of data is simply enabling latches in the logic structure. It's just logic after all...
@@whatsmyusername1231 That is a very old FPGA design (going back to 2005 I think). So available for a long period before sanctions. Really need to see the manufacturing date code to see if it was actually imported by bypassing sanctions.
@@lindsaycole8409 as a Russian engineer, I will tell you that sanctions do not work, Analog Devices, National Instruments and much more are freely imported into Russia not only through friendly countries, but also directly :)
@@dimchan9096 Yes, be much easier to control machine tools and their parts and consumables than 50 dollar FPGAs. Commercial FPGA and general purpose CPUs can do everything you want to these days. Not like the 80s and 90s where sophisticated weapons needed high-end specialist asics.
Altera is originally a US company and was bought by Intel in 2015. To this day, despite sanctions, Germany still supplies electronic components to Russia or has them produced there. Similar or almost identical parts can be found in Ukrainian rockets of the Tochka-U type. Originally from Russian production.
Меня убила платка с одной 591КН3 которую запихнули чтобы была хоть одна российская радиодеталь. Куча проводов и стеклянных изоляторов чтобы одну хренову микросхему мультиплексора в DIP корпусе присобачить. Запросто могли на одну из платок усилителей запихнуть в SMD корпусе. При том судя по датам на платах, 591КН3 минимум 10 лет на складах провалялась.
Вот почему Россию считают отсталой почитайте ваши комментарии и западные ! Вы будущее России ? Нет война идет чтобы таких малограмотных мы больше в нашей стране не производили ! Привет из СССР
не, оно работает, и это главное. но меня смущает компоновка оптического датичка (четыре наполовину свободные платы усилителей, а внутри на отъ..ись мультиплексор в дип корпусе, к нему веер практически не уложенного одноцветного мгтф'а) и в целом толщина текстолита. да, я разводил платы под многовыводные смд компоненты, да, я знаю, что ее однослойной сделать нереально, но кмон, почему у двухслойной платы толщина такая мелкая? такое ощущение, что это тот же текстолит, на котором я дома всякие поделки собираю. умели же делать нормально, достаточно посмотреть на советские военные изделия: толстые платы, прочное шасси, где надо, чтобы не было путаницы, вместо мгтф'а стоит мс какой нибудь и прочее, прочее прочее. ну, либо это я дурак и чего то не понимаю)
Fascinating! I’m sure to follow your channel! Curious if these parts were expensive. I recently discovered the practical use of FPGA boards (I’m an hobbyist) and was recently explaining to my wife how well suited they are for robots (which a missile in essence is.. ) Thanks for your content! 👍😊
And why can't European weapons compete with Russian ones if everything comes from there? Question after question. By the way, the Soviet Union already had chip production and the production of other electronic components. It amuses me to hope that all of this is based on European technology.
"Borrowing" technology by Russia/USSR is already a tradition. They are a few years behind in development and they put Western/Chinese silicon structures in their ridiculous housings - true. But in the end, they effectively create a deadly weapon and kill innocent people with it. This is what they are really good at and this is their true nature.
A local museum went to Europe and he brought a cold war Sam system basically from a base that was closing in east Germany. He towed the thing thing back to Britain through several customs posts. He got it back to sunny Bedfordshire before realising the thing was live! The RAF took it for evaluation then returned it with dummy missiles made to replace the real ones. They were very grateful!!!!!
First of all, there's no evidence that this was Russian manufactured. Secondly, these chips have been sold, resold and even cloned in various parts of the world for a while and the fact that it's an FPGA likely means it was used instead of a dedicated chip which could have been in short supply during those years when this unit was produced, perhaps even from spare parts left in a former Soviet state. I'm sure nobody uses FPGA parts these days because Russian military production has been steadily investing in domestic IC manufacturing capabilities as any nation deemed antagonistic by USA justifiably would.
On a video very old parts, from 2000 year, is not a secret, it shows on educational channel. Optic gyro is a old nav from regular plane (spare nav system) sensor array on miniature frame - from anti aircraft mini missile, like Igla or something man launched. Nothing special. Modern have a chips from fridge or washing machine, like news channel says 😂
This is amazing! All russian military electronics is based on western components. russians are not able to manufacture a typical modern ICs. All digital and analogue electronics is imported.
@@mullerstephan Doesn't matter from which country it was imported, since the FPGA chip was not manufactured in China. What matters is the intellectual property and the fact, that russian industry is not able to design it and fabricate. Without a US designed and made IC it wouldn't be possible to make this board. The same story with transimpedance amplifiers for photodetectors -- it is US designed op amp from Analog Devices.
The IR sensor seems too specific in purpose to see much use and probably needs some special lens to go with it, but if the ring laser gyro has enough resolution that would be a neat piece of kit to back-engineer and have working on some kind of RC aircraft or drone. (Also wasn't the RLG something the U.S. shared with Russia as part of the agreement for joint operations in space? It's kind of funny to see it put on a weapon not long after they had access to it.)
КТО ТО ЖЕ НАРУШАЕТ СТАБИЛЬНОСТЬ. КОМУ ОНА НЕ НУЖНА. А ТУТ ДЕЛО ДОХОДИТ ДО ТЕХНИЧЕСКИХ СРЕДСТВ. КТО ОБЕСПЕЧИТ?! ГЛУБИННАЯ НАНАЦИЯ ЗЗЕВАЕТ, КРОМЕ КАК РАПРЕССИЯМИ ТИХУЮ ГАВАНЬ НЕ ОБЕСПЕЧИТЬ. НЕ ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО ГНАТЬ НА КОГО ГЛАВНОЕ ЗНАТЬ, ГДЕ ДОВЕРЯТЬ НЕ СТОИТ. ЧЕМ. НО КОГДА НАДО КЕМ НАДО ПРЕДСТАВИШЬСЯ, С КЕМ УГОДНО ДОГОВОРИШЬСЯ И ЧТО УГОДНО ДОСТАНЕШЬ. ИБО НЕТ ЦЕНЫ ДОПУСКАМ КОГДА ПРИНЦЫПЫ НАРУШАЮТСЯ, НАЧИНАЯ С МОРАЛЬНЫХ И НА ВСЕ-ПРО-ВСЕ ВЫТЕКАЮЩИЕ. И НАПОСЛЕДОК: ВИБ ПРОБОВАЛИ ЭТО КЛЕПАТЬ, А НЕ С ДИВАНОВ ТРЕНДЕТЬ.
You can see why they need western components so badly. Unless there is something truly special going on that huge ceramic DIP package for a simple analog multiplexer was already wildly out of date in 2004. I thought this missile was one of their newer designs?
@@advancedmicrosystems4658 You don't understand, the newer designs are so classified that the russians don't even use them in their war tech lmao, to keep their newer designs in secret the kremlin engineers don't even invent them, putin wins once again 🤣🤣🤣
The Altera Cyclone II FPGA is also obsolete for new designs. As you can see the fpga is also not a military grade one and you can find them in abundence on the chinese market at low cost. Also the lassers are manufactured by a chinese company called DenseLight. In other words they are not depending on western components.
Thank you for making this interesting video. Your English is fine, it is the world’s most common second language so there is a lot of variation in accents and thus it is normal to encounter it spoken imperfectly yet effectively. Cheers and happy new year to you!
Makes sense. PTFE is pretty robust stuff well-suited for the coldest and hottest climates everywhere on earth. Don't want your wire insulation become brittle when stored for a few decades in some unheated storage in Siberia. And it has good dielectric properties too (so no need to use something else for HF applications). If it wheren't for the environmental issue (the stuff is known as a "forever chemical") PTFE would be used for everything everywhere. It's just such a good material.
@@medved3027 I don't think, there is a good replacement for it yet. So they can't ban it because all sorts of industries need reliable wiring. And you really shouldn't use it as coating for your pans anyways - so if they ban that application, that's actually fine.
me encanta lo que haces, no entiendo como los rusos utilizan componentes occidentales para hacer armamento, debe ser gracias a los chinos, saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
It's easy. Now, of all that is out there, the only thing you can’t buy at retail is Altera. The rest of the stuff is simply bought on digikey, or somewhere else, by agents or simply supporters, or simply for a higher price, all over the world. Sent to Georgia (not US), Turkey, or Kazakhstan, or other countries to which Russians can come in person. Then they are simply taken directly to Russia without any control. Rockets are not a product that is produced in millions of pieces, even tenfolding the price of the same amplifier from AD does not matter. Altera was purchased, I think, in advance, since it is a fairly old model, and Russia has been preparing for war for a long time. They probably have some depo. The quantity available now does not matter, if there are 10,000 of them, it means they can make 10,000 missiles, or a little less.
Hello. I'm from Russia. Sanctions don't work at all. Absolutely everything can be bought through other countries, just a little more expensive than before. I am against Putin and against the war. I want Ukraine to win.
Bonjour, merci pour la vidéo, j'ai tendu l'oreille tout le long, mais je n'ai pas entendu combien il y avait de spires sur chaque bobine de fibre optique. Est-ce que vous avez pu le déterminer ?
3:52 "Optical coupler?" It's not an optical coupler but it's probably an BEAM SPLITER because it follows the theory of the fibre optic gyroscope. I may be wrong, let the wiser ones correct me...
Strange that so many components are labeled I would have guessed that they would remove every marking from the components to make reverse engineering harder
@@yurakondratuk253This. Or either it's not worth it since if people want to, they can still trace back even the shards (if there are any of the size of the crystal), or just through other info sources maybe...
The sensor and the gyroscope are probably both assumed to be already well-known by the enemy. Also, the Soviets really like to repair, reuse and recycle. Having correct markings on everything helps with that.
@@Oktokolo The electronic component is disposable. Varnish is applied on top to protect against water. It is not possible to replace a part on an electronic board.
A primitive chip, not even sure if its a FPGA, note the manual calibration of each sensor - we do auto calibration in our fpga's today. The masses of white wires, if they simplified it then they could have made sockets with cables and then really mass produced. Instead there is some poor sod hand soldering each device! That cycloneII looks old! Today cycloneIII is sold (we use at our company) but is going end of life - they significantly raised prices on parts a couple of years ago, a far more sophisticated device but its 20 year old tech, I suspect the cycloneII was probably grey import and previously recycled. The pcb routing looks a mess and amateurish plus cheap pcb, the fact they soldered a 10-pin jtag hints at them doing a manual bring up of each board. The willy-nilly components plastered everywhere is disgusting, but also note - no sockets other than the jtag - obviously their design thinking - veeerry slow for production!
the f-35's most advanced node is 90nm and it is required to many orders of magnitude more calculations that a AGM has to do. I guess you simply don't understand how relatively simple military hardware can be to be extremely effective.
@@posmoo9790 Simple military gear can be effective, but by todays standards these boards are primitive. I work with devices orders of magnitude more complex, such as Arria10 90's - still only considered medium fpga's. Take a look at a tear-down for a Javelin missile system, its crazy how advanced it is, the quality of components too really speaks volumes. But I can only wonder at what must have gone into the design process. If that second board is an example of Russia's top tech then it speaks of deep problems and a complete lack of technical ability to design modern and reliable electronics.
@@MrEddieLomax that gear you are talking about is designed to be stored literally for 3-4 decades. those javelins in ukraine were made 30 years ago. the russians make stuff like that too, obviously many of those missiles they fired at the beginning of the war many were 40 years old. they're still using kh-55 missiles (with no warheads) as decoy drones that were built in the 1970s and 1980s. but this stuff they are producing is many cases now is going to be shot off tomorrow. you don't make things like that in the same way. they don't finish their 152mm shells or anything else right now. they don't paint them. there's no point. they won't exist long enough to rust. even though they are outproducing the entire west by 2x they still don't have near enough gear being produced. a problem they might actually have is they haven't cut corners enough yet. there's a video of circuit board for a tornado s-rocket and they are still using the process they used long ago to create very dependable very robust electronics. maybe they just don't want to convert everything they have to war production because after the war they still need to able to create a weapon reserve that can last many decades.
@@posmoo9790 The breakdowns are on recently produced missiles, their electronics really is a amateur cottage industry. I have not seen any evidence of design practices to facilitate mass production. You can believe what you want, but the fact Russia is importing from Iran and NK speaks of big problems. We are literally viewing a video revealing consumer grade components - that is never a good thing.
Thank you a lot for your work! This morning we had another massive shelling of the civilian infrastructure of Kyiv and Kharkiv. Yesterday's New Year's Eve was also difficult for us. According to the information I found in open sources, most of the components in Russian missiles come from the USA and European countries. It is a shame that it is still possible for Russia to receive Western components that are used to terrorize the civilians in Ukraine
Ukrainians terrorized Donbass for 10 years, shelling civilians. And the Ukrainians were ok. And when cashback came from Donbass 8 years later, Ukrainians cried en masse.)))
@@milutinke This is a terrible lie. In their report, the Russian military themselves admitted that this was the result of unprofessional actions of their air defense. And yesterday, the Russians accidentally destroyed an entire street in their village during another mass attack of Ukraine. War always boomerangs back to those who started it. Ukraine attacks only military objects. Russia has been terrorizing peaceful Ukrainian cities for two years. More than a thousand children died in terrorist attacks of Russia
why is the second board looking like it is covered with resin! is that for protection or did they just leave the soldering oil or flux on after manufacturing???????
All military PCBs in Russia are covered by acrylic or silicone resin for moisture protection. Soldering flux is removed by cleaning in appropriate liquids - isopropanol, deionized water, etc. Be sure we here have the best production equipment that Europe, USA or Japan can suggest :-D
All these parts were scavanged from washing machines belonging to old babuskas that take down those same missiles with pickle jars. This is what the european suprrme leader, miss 360° turn, baerbock, told us.
Haha so funny Come on, we all know that russia can't produce microchips by technology later than 1990, and those one in the rockets are bought from all over the world for oil and gas west paid dollars
Dear friend, I tried to look for many missile components in old washing machines thrown into landfill 😄😄... but I believe that Western propaganda is the enemy of Westerners themselves.
I don't know why people were complaining about your english, it's better than a lot of people in the U.S.A ! keep up the great content, it's extremely interesting and unique!
better than my French of German! We - the USA - are not the center of the world, folks.
for real though
I can't understand anything that black people say in Bushwick, New York.
I understood them just fine
His english is great -welshman
First looks like an infrared seeker from either an Igla or Verba (probably Igla). It's a rolling airframe missile so the fact that it's a linear array of infrared sensing elements makes more sense than in an Iskander. The missile "rolls" at a relatively high rate (900+ RPM) and as it rolls it's building a virtual image from the rolling action of the missile
This was a common technique with early "4th generation" surface to air systems that were prior to the ubiquity of the larger 128x128 or 56x56 focal plane arrays you see in more modern imaging missile systems from the early 2000s and didn't require as much processing power and techniques like this were a lot cheaper and production volume ready than true larger format FPAs in the late 80s and 90s.
The same technique is applied in the US Navy RIM-116 except it also includes a pair of inline interferometers for RF detection/fusing against radiating targets like active seeker anti-ship missiles. The RIM-116 also has a much better linear array; 80 elements in a 80x1 focal array.
wow the airframe rolls at 1000 rpm !
so that's a refresh rate of about 16 Hz.
it probably does some interpolation between frames.
still shocked that an airframe would be rolling at that speed.
if the missile is not centripitally balanced, it would be doing a cork-screw through the air.
I'm by no means an expert, but the rest of the components don't look like from these 4th gen SA missiles. They look way too modern. Why would you use old sensors but modern SMD boards?
@@mtrest4 I've seen some open source documents that put the RIM-116 rotation rate in the 1000-1500 RPM ballpark and videos I've seen of the test rig for the seeker subsystem have it spinning at a very high rate, easily 20+ revolutions per second.
@@txm100 Partial modernization of older systems is pretty common as manufacturing techniques improve while you maintain the original system design. Largely because the testing and verification of weapons is extensive and time consuming. Upgrading too many things at once or changing core operating principles (even if the end result in the same) is generally seen as requiring repeating previously done verification and test programs because you've effectively built a new system.
For this example, upgrading amplifier assemblies is easy to verify and show that it won't change how the core system works or functions, but replacing the seeker with a full-format FPA and a totally different digital imaging system is not equivalent and why you see old technology persist in either its existing flavor attached to new subsystems or in slightly different flavors as manufacturing techniques improve.
Designing systems and building them is the easy part, the hard part is test and evaluation and making sure it works as close to the system goal as possible 100% of the time.
@@billyjoel22359 An underrated comment. Any time system processing is changed in a non-trivial way, there are also security risks - not just information leaking but also software or hardware injection. I've heard that this is a bad enough problem in civilian space, to say nothing of this.
*Summary*
- *Intro*
- 0:10: Received two packets from Ukraine.
- 0:13: First packet from Kiev, second from Dnipro.
- *Optical Sensor from 9M727 Iskander Missile*
- 0:29: Optical sensor, part of a Russian Iskander missile 9M727.
- 0:48: Contains 16 photocells, likely infrared photodiodes.
- 0:55: Bonding wires are missing.
- 1:01: Four identical PCBs, each with four amplifiers.
- 1:24: Central part connects 16 signals, likely with a single output.
- 1:53: Ceramic IC, Russian made, dated 2004, possibly encodes the 16 signals.
- 2:09: Plans to reverse engineer and possibly restore the sensor.
- *3-Axis Fiber Optic Gyroscope (probably from Tornado MLRS)*
- 2:45: Three-axis fiber optic gyroscope, likely from a Russian missile.
- 3:37: Contains a roll of fiber optic using the Sagnac effect.
- 3:44: Connected to an infrared LED. (Superluminescent LED DL-CS5153A, 1550nm, 40nm FWHM, 10..35mW, DenseLight, InP fab in Singapore)
- 4:04: Measures light delay due to rotation, using a coupler and phase modulator.
- 4:19: Phase modulator compensates for delay caused by Sagnac effect.
- 4:48: Circuit includes three ADCs and three DACs.
- 5:18: FPGA board from Altera, Cyclone II model.
- 5:28: Board removed from assembly, wires cut.
- 6:15: Plans to reverse engineer and possibly test the device.
- 6:00: Noted missing components, possibly power supply.
- 6:05: Temperature sensor observed.
- 6:30: Intends further investigation and reverse engineering.
- *Conclusion*
- 6:31: Thanks viewers and anticipates a future video about the sensor.
*Summary of top comments as of 2023-12-30*
- Some commenters debate the origin of the optical sensor, suggesting it might be from an Igla or Verba man-portable air-defense system (MANPADS) rather than from an Iskander missile due to the rolling airframe missile design and the type of infrared sensing elements used. A few commenters express doubt that the first sensor is from an Iskander missile, with one noting that Iskander is a ballistic missile and would not have an infrared seeker.
- There is a discussion about the use of older sensor technologies with modern circuit boards, with one commenter explaining that partial modernization is common to avoid extensive retesting while maintaining the core system design.
- One commenter identifies the chips on a PCB as output isolators, suggesting specific models and noting the data path from the FPGA to these chips.
- A detailed identification of a chip is provided, including its code, pointing out that it is an Altera/Intel FPGA.
- There is a mention of a fiber optic gyroscope potentially being made from low-cost optics, with admiration for its construction.
- There is an observation about the continued use of PTFE insulated wires in the designs.
- Several comments note the reliance on Western components in Russian military electronics, with some expressing amazement that no domestic components are used and others remarking on the obsolescence of certain parts.
No washing machines had been harmed in the production of that rocket.
Selfmade chaff
@@TheLittleDeath1😂10/10
Thanks MIchel for this very interesting content! From your previous video I understand there were some complaints on your English, but I find it very clear and comprehensible. Some of my coworkers are much harder to understand!
It's the most stereotypical French accent and I love it :)
Its sad that we are nearly at 2024 and some people haven't figured out how to use Closed Captions.
@@continental_drift
I was Literally going to say the same thing.
@@continental_drift I know how closed captions work, but the situation has to be very bad to make me bother to go click on a thing. Realistically I have the phone/laptop on a shelf and doing the dishes or soldering stuff or installing software on another computer while having the clip in the corner of my eye.
It’s perfect froglish.
The big micro chip is definitely not from a vacuum cleaner. Few things need a gyro. Definitely mil quality. Phase modulator can also detect angle of approach. Beautiful, I used to have a job designing that stuff when I was a younger man. Those connectors are very expensive. Silicone is also used for vibration suppression. That thing must be subject to extreme vibration at the speed it approaches. Thank you, it was very interesting. It is a bit more modern than when I was in defence research in the mid/late seventies, where angle of approach and speed was measured using Doppler radar.
A bit more modern? that's a good one, probably from the early 80's.
Optical or not, it's still an inertial gyro. So, the entire board can only do the one thing.
It's a math exam..."I want to know my velocity." "Well, Sir, we can only know velocity if we measure velocity over a span of time." "Do we know my velocity yet?" "No sir, we only know what your velocity was. It isn't possible that your velocity is that any more." "Then why did you bother to calculate it?" "Because you are the boss Sir."
I once was involved in the early fibre gyroscope development as an engineer way back in the 80's .. gotta say I'm impressed with this Russian version . Looks very well made and the block diagram shows very advanced processing
The optical sensor is probably from a dryer to sense the wet clothes. And the gyroscope from a washing machine to sense if there are vibrations or so.
Разбаланс в стиральных машинах определяется не по акселерометрам, а по величине пульсаций напряжения на обмотке таходатчика на двигателе. После амплитудного детектора измеряется АЦП и определяется величина разбаланса
@@0_741ну ты секреты-то сразу не выдавай - секрет починки стиралки, это тебе не головку самонаведения разобрать, это дело серьезное!
Almost, the gyro senses the rotation of the washing drum.
@@BertoldVdb There have to be enormously easier ways to do that!
Сатира@@0_741
I was not aware that FPGAs were used in washing machines, as Ursula Van Der Crazy assures us ;)
Yes yes in washing maschines and in toilets, sure 😂😂
Reusing components for production is not practical.
@@otofoto Tell that to the un-elected EU technocrat who clearly confuses a spin cycle and media spin ;)
@@henryyoung7184reported
@@henryyoung7184 In her defence most in EU clearly couldn’t understand why TerroRussians are stealing washing machines and toilets. The concept is so alien that such ideas come up.
The first sensor looks a lot like a midwave IR spectrometer sensor. These used ferroelectric BST crystals mounted in a linear array. The light source is chopped blanked or otherwise moddulated.
IN laymans term please ..LAYMANS term 🙂🙃🙂
So that would mean it's used to target on laser-painted targets?
IR > Heat seeking ; or Heat imaging (like FLIR) ?
encore des circuit que l'on ne voit pas ailleurs, c'est fou ... un grand merci pour le partage c'est toujours un réel plaisir.
Michel, you're in the same region of ebay as I am! I was eyeing these to tear down after I had hands on time with them in Kyiv earlier this year.
That FOG is from the TORNADO MLRS, I tore down four while over there
Thank you for the information regarding the FOG.
@@lelabodemichel5162make a video anti tank missile teardown special request
do you have some videos as well? it's quite interesting to see what's inside
I thought if it was Russian ..Houston we have a problem .. looks very advanced
@@danobrien3601 it could be foreign ICs and sensors assembled and/or lacquered by russians
Excellent. You obviously have very good sources.
5:44 The correct code for chip in center is "EP2C8Q208I8N", Cyclone II Altera/Intel FPGA.
Pretty old one !
@@MrPopelwhy use the newest if old works as well
@@marcusaurelius3487 Because the old one are runing out of stock.
I doubt the first infrared sensor is from Iskander indeed. It is likely to be from one of the Russian surface-to-air manpad, like Igla or Verba.
Yes, the ring at the bottom seems a mount to the airframe, and it is far too sub diameter for iskander.
Also the construction technique looked more like something for lower cost systems.
То что блогер с 20-тью тысячами подписчиков получил в распоряжение часть искандера - несусветная чушь сама по себе.
Вообще, надо сообщить, для тех кто не в курсе - Украинский и Российский ВПК работали бок о бок до середины 2010-х годов, на протяжении 90 лет (со врем образования СССР) и поэтому на Украине полно компонентов используемых в российском вооружении производимом со времен СССР, но КОНЕЧНО не в последних образцах вооружения, которые уже разрабатывались или модернизировались в России в 21 веке. с оглядкой на тот факт ,что украинцы продадут какие угодно ВАШИ секреты, и не важно 0 друзья вы их, или вы их враги.
@@u666sa not at all. And I have quite a bit of exposure to military electronics.
It looks like commercial spec construction, almost from a drone or something like that. It is definitely not from an Iskander.
@@VasiliyLomovoy ты чета не совсем понял... жители Северска жалуются царю что у них совсем плохо с врачами. и записали челобитную. ты забывши совсем что золото в ракетах - это нищета пенсионеров. нищенские зарплаты и просрочка у Пятерочки. твое фуфлогонство на теме убийства славян засчитано.
1550 MN Superluminescent led diode made by Superlum in Ireland
Very impressive, thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Nice video - an interesting glimpse into military electronics, and a nice comment on Western-Russian military industrial complex.
Nice build quality. Parts are indeed not sourced from microwave ovens.
This gyroscope unit is used in the Russian Soyuz-TMA spaceship and also in the military missiles. It costs over $20K.
Must be from washing machines. Ursula said so and she is so very smart.
This one is from washing machine
@@rdengin главное верить! Ведь телеящег не врёт!!1
@@rzhevsky4934А ВВС ....точно не врет.
the last frames show places with missing details. There are traces of thermal paste left. It can be assumed that there were electric heaters that, together with temperature sensors, provided thermal stabilization
Invaluable just to see the high shock electronics packaging. Thanks for sharing.
4:34 Part number is МИОМ-001 - ends with "ОМ" which is indeed may be "optical modulator".
The official name is "Multifunctional Integrated Optical Module". The stuff inside includes more than just the modulators. This is one of the most critical to the performance of the entire gyroscope components. The know-how of the manufacturer is precisely in these optical parts, while the electronics, as we see here, is built with the ordinary off-the-shelf components.
These gyroscopes are (or at least were until recently) sold internationally, and a rather detailed information about them is openly available. Although the manufacturing is done in Russia, the company is actually half owned by foreign investors.
Its cyrilic so not exact 😊
@@teodor4ik183 In Cyrillic the abbreviation will look the same - Многофункциональный Интегрированный Оптический Модуль - МИОМ :)
It would have been interesting to see the optics in front of the linear sensor.
Unusual way of making the gyro. We use different techniques in aircraft avionics nowadays, using prisms instead of optical fibre.
Fibre can move and vibrate causing jitters to the data rate.
Imagine a police car siren coming towards you with a loose mounting for the siren. The tone wouldn't be pure. Same kinda concept.
Оптоволокно не свободно. Оно находится в компаунде. Оптоволокно изотропно по длине. И это дешевле, чем использовать призмы, для которых надо еще сварить изотропное стекло.
Fiber cannot move. It is filled with compound. The optical fiber is isotropic in length. And this is cheaper than using prisms, for which isotropic glass must also be welded.
I would bet you Michel, that the missing parts were taken off on purpose. SOMETIMES to much information can be a hindrance from victory on the battlefield. But that is only an assumption and not a fact. I like the videos fella. JOB WELL DONE !!!!
Thanks for touching this important topic. Of course, FPGAs are not taken from fridges or washing machines. They get delivered to Russia, Iran and other countries.
плис делали еще в ссср. обидно что в мире считают что у нас в России немогут делать электронику. Я как бывший работник завода который делал электронные компоненты скажу, у нас упор идет не на уменьшение и быстродействие а на надежность. Я лично принимал партии компонентов после изготовление и каждый элемент из партии проверялся под микроскопом. Да это дорого и энергоемко , за то на выходе получаются приборы которые могут пережить огромные ударные нагрузки и сохранить параметры.
FPGA chips are manufactured in Russia, look for Google 5578TC094, for example, so everything has its time, perhaps in the next review, when Misha will disassemble the next block from the rocket, we will see it there.
@@электроник198совок в электронике был лютым говном. Рашка может клепать разве что отсталую военку.
@@электроник198 зараз використовують 40нм процес, це хіба з електронним мікроскопом сидіти ггг. І ці плати рашка купує з-за кордону
@@электроник198 I've never heard of "Altera Cyclone II" being made in the USSR.
Very interesting! You know, I think it would be nice to try to get one of those decoy dart missiles that come out of the iskander.
Annoyingly hard to find, trust me I tried to buy one while there but no dice.
One wonders if we could start a tiktok thing for influencers to go catch them...
@@joeds3775 they might trip on UXO. wouldn't want that on your conscience
Ага, видимо кому захотелось стать мёртвым😂😂😂 "добыть захотелось ложные ракеты"😂😂😂 смешно, да.
@@jenix102, я далек от темы ракетного вооружения, но мне интересно, что за "приманки" выпускает Искандер и почему их так сложно достать
Thanks for these wonderful videos.
5:44 At the bottom right corner above the ADC the header it look like a JTAG header. It will be intresting to see if there are any kind of fpga configuration eeporm where the bitsteam for the FPGA is stored. I'm sure that even if exists it's content is encrypted.
Merci beaucoup d'avoir partagé ces démontages avec nous.
This is usual FOG, which are commercially available, i think there are no incredible interesting things inside.
One of nearby SOIC8 chips is EPCS - the special Altera chip to store FPGA config.
FPGA config data isn't typically encrypted. However reverse engineering the config is very time consuming (although it shouldn't be), as each bit of data is simply enabling latches in the logic structure.
It's just logic after all...
very interesting teardown, thank you very much, sir
5:45 - EP2C8Q208I8N - Cyclone 2 (EP2C), 8k LE (8), PQFP-208 (Q208), industrial temp range (i), speed grade 8 (8)
Yikes!
I hope Altera didn't actively help Russia develop their missiles....
Hope it will not help anyone
@@whatsmyusername1231 That is a very old FPGA design (going back to 2005 I think). So available for a long period before sanctions. Really need to see the manufacturing date code to see if it was actually imported by bypassing sanctions.
@@lindsaycole8409 as a Russian engineer, I will tell you that sanctions do not work, Analog Devices, National Instruments and much more are freely imported into Russia not only through friendly countries, but also directly :)
@@dimchan9096 Yes, be much easier to control machine tools and their parts and consumables than 50 dollar FPGAs. Commercial FPGA and general purpose CPUs can do everything you want to these days. Not like the 80s and 90s where sophisticated weapons needed high-end specialist asics.
Altera is originally a US company and was bought by Intel in 2015. To this day, despite sanctions, Germany still supplies electronic components to Russia or has them produced there. Similar or almost identical parts can be found in Ukrainian rockets of the Tochka-U type. Originally from Russian production.
I have a friend from Russia who works at a factory producing such microcircuits, somewhere beyond the Urals.
В россии нет производства микросхем западными фирмами. Автомобили западные собираются, но микросхемы нет. Только русские.
@@sirdm90321:55 590кн3 Светлана, Санкт- Петербург. Рядом с финляндией😂
Без МГТФ ни одно изделие не обходится :)
и гребаные винты под плоскую отвертку
Меня убила платка с одной 591КН3 которую запихнули чтобы была хоть одна российская радиодеталь. Куча проводов и стеклянных изоляторов чтобы одну хренову микросхему мультиплексора в DIP корпусе присобачить. Запросто могли на одну из платок усилителей запихнуть в SMD корпусе. При том судя по датам на платах, 591КН3 минимум 10 лет на складах провалялась.
Вот почему Россию считают отсталой почитайте ваши комментарии и западные ! Вы будущее России ? Нет война идет чтобы таких малограмотных
мы больше в нашей стране не производили ! Привет из СССР
не, оно работает, и это главное. но меня смущает компоновка оптического датичка (четыре наполовину свободные платы усилителей, а внутри на отъ..ись мультиплексор в дип корпусе, к нему веер практически не уложенного одноцветного мгтф'а) и в целом толщина текстолита. да, я разводил платы под многовыводные смд компоненты, да, я знаю, что ее однослойной сделать нереально, но кмон, почему у двухслойной платы толщина такая мелкая? такое ощущение, что это тот же текстолит, на котором я дома всякие поделки собираю.
умели же делать нормально, достаточно посмотреть на советские военные изделия: толстые платы, прочное шасси, где надо, чтобы не было путаницы, вместо мгтф'а стоит мс какой нибудь и прочее, прочее прочее.
ну, либо это я дурак и чего то не понимаю)
не забывайте про гиперзвуковые скорости и ускорения. Это не смартфон.@@woopsserg
Fascinating! I’m sure to follow your channel! Curious if these parts were expensive. I recently discovered the practical use of FPGA boards (I’m an hobbyist) and was recently explaining to my wife how well suited they are for robots (which a missile in essence is.. ) Thanks for your content! 👍😊
I'm curious, did your wife appreciate it?
90 % of russian weapons made by US/UK/France ...
so great work...
And why can't European weapons compete with Russian ones if everything comes from there?
Question after question.
By the way, the Soviet Union already had chip production and the production of other electronic components.
It amuses me to hope that all of this is based on European technology.
The first sensor is very interesting!
Interesting to see, that there is no single domestical part, its all powered by intel and analog devices...
it is even "funnier" if you know that some custom parts aren't even made in russia
Altera were good stuff back in time before Intel bought them and became piece of overpriced shits. Same happened to Xilinx.
"Borrowing" technology by Russia/USSR is already a tradition. They are a few years behind in development and they put Western/Chinese silicon structures in their ridiculous housings - true. But in the end, they effectively create a deadly weapon and kill innocent people with it. This is what they are really good at and this is their true nature.
and probably most are fabricated not in the West, but in China
@@dsfs17987 would not be surprised if it's made by jlcpcb or similar service.
Perfect work. Thank You !
TH-cam should require all videos to include at least one kitty.
If you do not see a cat in a given youtube video, it's because he's busy controlling the camera.
LOL!
Yep!
A local museum went to Europe and he brought a cold war Sam system basically from a base that was closing in east Germany. He towed the thing thing back to Britain through several customs posts. He got it back to sunny Bedfordshire before realising the thing was live! The RAF took it for evaluation then returned it with dummy missiles made to replace the real ones. They were very grateful!!!!!
super la vidéo 👍👍
you are amazing Keep uploading videos
very interesting, please continue
Thank you for that. Very interesting.
Michel, ça te dérange pas de montrer ton adresse comme ça ?
il a masqué l'adresse du vendeur, mais pas la sienne. Ce gars est solide comme un rock.
@@AIexanderHartdegen C'est un total gigachad, qu'on se le dise
Awesome video thank you
Hopefully the Altera part wasn't supplied directly by Intel!
intel inside 👍
and apparently outside too.
First of all, there's no evidence that this was Russian manufactured. Secondly, these chips have been sold, resold and even cloned in various parts of the world for a while and the fact that it's an FPGA likely means it was used instead of a dedicated chip which could have been in short supply during those years when this unit was produced, perhaps even from spare parts left in a former Soviet state. I'm sure nobody uses FPGA parts these days because Russian military production has been steadily investing in domestic IC manufacturing capabilities as any nation deemed antagonistic by USA justifiably would.
@@ufukpolat3480 no. Russia has absolutely zero IC factories. Everything is imported.
@@cantorgaussну тут вы не правы. Есть они. Только конечно не для гражданки. В бизнес и военным делают. Скорее мелочевку не делают.
@@cantorgauss No. Вас обманули. В России около 10 заводов производящих микросхемы. Первая русская микросхема была представлена в 1964 году.
Very cool! Beautiful hardware.
Amazing the chips they put in washing machines these days...
if they don't get the right shape of anything in there the design is fucked so if you deny a voltage regulator it will fail
Thanks for the educational resources 🙏
On a video very old parts, from 2000 year, is not a secret, it shows on educational channel. Optic gyro is a old nav from regular plane (spare nav system) sensor array on miniature frame - from anti aircraft mini missile, like Igla or something man launched. Nothing special.
Modern have a chips from fridge or washing machine, like news channel says 😂
if it was a controller from Iskander, it would say BOSCH EPW65320 on a label)))
Je suis bleuffé par ta capacité à récupérer ces composants sensibles, bravo !!!!!
If you have money I am sure you can buy from Ukrainians the parts of intercepted Kinzhals (even if they are not interceptable)
Spot on!
Какие "перехваченные Кинжалы"?😂 Они ни одного не смогли перехватить
На скоростях прилета они дефрагментируются.
@@rzhevsky4934 перехватить то не перехватили, но кто мешает продавать на ебее иностранцам ;))
Украинцы всегда были отличными продавцами ))
As soon as you send the money to Ukraine, you can forget about them. You will lose them.
great video, what is your experience? do you work in defence company ( Thales maybe )?
I see they have been Cat Scanned 😂
Inspected, found nothing not known by cats. 🔬👨🎓🐈🐾
well done! thank you for the video.
0:37 "iskander" is a ballistic missile, not cruise missile.
Искандеры бывают баллистические и крылатые
@@ЗенЗубель так аффтар обозвал её крылатой, притом на картинке баллистическая 723-я, а речь идёт об обломках 727-й из Днепра
@@ЗенЗубель не бывают
"Искандер - М" - применяет баллистические ракеты, "Искадер - К" - крылатые из пускового контейнера.
@@ЗенЗубель "Искадер - К" применяет старые советские крылатые ракеты Р-500. так что это другая ракета.
I respect your knowledge.
This is amazing! All russian military electronics is based on western components. russians are not able to manufacture a typical modern ICs. All digital and analogue electronics is imported.
They could have brought it off e-bay .
imported from China, not the West.
@@mullerstephanproduced by China, but the design itself and ownership is by a company from USA.
@@mullerstephan Doesn't matter from which country it was imported, since the FPGA chip was not manufactured in China. What matters is the intellectual property and the fact, that russian industry is not able to design it and fabricate. Without a US designed and made IC it wouldn't be possible to make this board. The same story with transimpedance amplifiers for photodetectors -- it is US designed op amp from Analog Devices.
@@шляпик-и1м The silicon die was not produced in China but in TSMC in Taiwan.
Great video. 👍
The IR sensor seems too specific in purpose to see much use and probably needs some special lens to go with it, but if the ring laser gyro has enough resolution that would be a neat piece of kit to back-engineer and have working on some kind of RC aircraft or drone. (Also wasn't the RLG something the U.S. shared with Russia as part of the agreement for joint operations in space? It's kind of funny to see it put on a weapon not long after they had access to it.)
его достали из ворованного тостера с украины
@@domovoy_sych777а тостер произвели в китае по технологиям северной кореи... которые ей подарили русские в 1970х...
fibre laser gyros drift long term but a missile flight is not long term .. minutes
Very interesting! Thank you.
Ммм, родной мгтф
Сейчас такого нет, хороший провод, изоляция температуру держит не хуже силикона и прочнее
А вот и зеленоградцы подтянулись!
@@andreiminin4738 В смысле нет? Вон на авито и прочих барахолках его полно. Можно новый напрямую с завода заказать.
@@andreiminin4738 В магазинах навалом, хоть на озоне заказывай. Любой калибр, что есть по госту.
КТО ТО ЖЕ НАРУШАЕТ СТАБИЛЬНОСТЬ. КОМУ ОНА НЕ НУЖНА. А ТУТ ДЕЛО ДОХОДИТ ДО ТЕХНИЧЕСКИХ СРЕДСТВ. КТО ОБЕСПЕЧИТ?! ГЛУБИННАЯ НАНАЦИЯ ЗЗЕВАЕТ, КРОМЕ КАК РАПРЕССИЯМИ ТИХУЮ ГАВАНЬ НЕ ОБЕСПЕЧИТЬ. НЕ ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО ГНАТЬ НА КОГО ГЛАВНОЕ ЗНАТЬ, ГДЕ ДОВЕРЯТЬ НЕ СТОИТ. ЧЕМ. НО КОГДА НАДО КЕМ НАДО ПРЕДСТАВИШЬСЯ, С КЕМ УГОДНО ДОГОВОРИШЬСЯ И ЧТО УГОДНО ДОСТАНЕШЬ. ИБО НЕТ ЦЕНЫ ДОПУСКАМ КОГДА ПРИНЦЫПЫ НАРУШАЮТСЯ, НАЧИНАЯ С МОРАЛЬНЫХ И НА ВСЕ-ПРО-ВСЕ ВЫТЕКАЮЩИЕ. И НАПОСЛЕДОК: ВИБ ПРОБОВАЛИ ЭТО КЛЕПАТЬ, А НЕ С ДИВАНОВ ТРЕНДЕТЬ.
Thank You for this evaluation of the missal fiber optic giro part, [ I wonder how many are either, US or Eurepin parts ]
Stop listening to the BBC and CNN. Russia has been producing all this itself for a long time.
You can see why they need western components so badly. Unless there is something truly special going on that huge ceramic DIP package for a simple analog multiplexer was already wildly out of date in 2004. I thought this missile was one of their newer designs?
@@ARSAMES007How does it matter if its classified? As soon as its used in battle someone can fetch it of the ground and look at it.
They have china lol so dont worry about components ❤
@@advancedmicrosystems4658 You don't understand, the newer designs are so classified that the russians don't even use them in their war tech lmao, to keep their newer designs in secret the kremlin engineers don't even invent them, putin wins once again 🤣🤣🤣
The Altera Cyclone II FPGA is also obsolete for new designs. As you can see the fpga is also not a military grade one and you can find them in abundence on the chinese market at low cost. Also the lassers are manufactured by a chinese company called DenseLight. In other words they are not depending on western components.
Western components made in China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Malaysia. Yeah hey maybe keep coping with the washing machine nonsense too.
Thank you for making this interesting video. Your English is fine, it is the world’s most common second language so there is a lot of variation in accents and thus it is normal to encounter it spoken imperfectly yet effectively. Cheers and happy new year to you!
Стиральные машины не нашли?
Nothing wrong with your English my friend, complaints probably come from non native English speakers.
Merci mon ami!
It seems like they are still using their classic PTFE insulated wires
PTFE insulated wires, such as MIL-W-22759, are still the aerospace industry standard.
Makes sense. PTFE is pretty robust stuff well-suited for the coldest and hottest climates everywhere on earth. Don't want your wire insulation become brittle when stored for a few decades in some unheated storage in Siberia. And it has good dielectric properties too (so no need to use something else for HF applications).
If it wheren't for the environmental issue (the stuff is known as a "forever chemical") PTFE would be used for everything everywhere. It's just such a good material.
@@medved3027 how do you strip them btw?
@@medved3027 I don't think, there is a good replacement for it yet. So they can't ban it because all sorts of industries need reliable wiring. And you really shouldn't use it as coating for your pans anyways - so if they ban that application, that's actually fine.
@@eugenezagidullin4893Cutting pliers. You just need some practice.
Is the iskander the one that was targeting toilets?
сразу видно все вытащили из стиралок, микроволновок, сделай реверс инжиниринг собственного очка )
0:19 "calculator part" Yea that is a correct description.
me encanta lo que haces, no entiendo como los rusos utilizan componentes occidentales para hacer armamento, debe ser gracias a los chinos, saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
It's easy. Now, of all that is out there, the only thing you can’t buy at retail is Altera.
The rest of the stuff is simply bought on digikey, or somewhere else, by agents or simply supporters, or simply for a higher price, all over the world.
Sent to Georgia (not US), Turkey, or Kazakhstan, or other countries to which Russians can come in person.
Then they are simply taken directly to Russia without any control.
Rockets are not a product that is produced in millions of pieces, even tenfolding the price of the same amplifier from AD does not matter.
Altera was purchased, I think, in advance, since it is a fairly old model, and Russia has been preparing for war for a long time.
They probably have some depo.
The quantity available now does not matter, if there are 10,000 of them, it means they can make 10,000 missiles, or a little less.
Hello. I'm from Russia. Sanctions don't work at all. Absolutely everything can be bought through other countries, just a little more expensive than before. I am against Putin and against the war. I want Ukraine to win.
This is super cool.
Thank you. Very interesting video. Also it seems i understand French!
Very interesting! Can you draw shematic of the amplifiers from the seeker?
If you send a lot of money to a ukrainian, he will send you a "Sarmat"... 😂
And he will arrive under his own power😂
@@passerbyworld no, no, for own power need ask us for it... 🙂But we don't know how to lie so skillfully, everything can be real...
Fiber optic gyro with three axis of sensors measuring the pitch, yaw and roll the three plans of flight control.
Exactly the same sensor I have seen inside my washing machine
Great work
выяснили в каких стиральных машинах применяются эти чипы?
Ща пойду в своей lg гляну... Если что - сразу на фронт
Буквально на днях у себя в стиралке такой же гироскоп менял))))
Я свои стиралки давно сдал, все для фронта, все для победы!
а рашистские террористы от техас-инструментс каким-то образом взяли милитари-грейд компоненты? Что-то не видно милитари. Одни стиралки ворованные.
Эх, жаль, у меня машинка немецкая, от неё не подходят.
Bonjour, merci pour la vidéo, j'ai tendu l'oreille tout le long, mais je n'ai pas entendu combien il y avait de spires sur chaque bobine de fibre optique. Est-ce que vous avez pu le déterminer ?
Non, c’est impossible à voir, l’ensemble est noyé dans un genre de colle pour la stabilité.
Chaque bobine contient 500 mètres de fibre optique. Donc, environ 2000 spires, à peu près.
А эта микросхема в какой стиральной
Машине стоит?
Украденной в суржикстане!
@@78RSI не украденной, а трофейной.
@@ДжебКерман-е4м Даже не трофейной, а присоединенной.
На этой стиралке изнacиLOVEали ни одну аксанку😂
В бюджетоотмывочной
3:52 "Optical coupler?" It's not an optical coupler but it's probably an BEAM SPLITER because it follows the theory of the fibre optic gyroscope. I may be wrong, let the wiser ones correct me...
Salut Michel selon ton avis c'est une conception moderne selon leurs capacitée ? ou c'est un montage vitement conçut et peut précit ?
Military equipment does not require modern technology. The most important thing is reliability. There is a lot of gold on the board.
590KH3 is the Russian replica of Intersil HI-506.
Or Harris😂
Nice work. 🙂
Strange that so many components are labeled I would have guessed that they would remove every marking from the components to make reverse engineering harder
Видимо предполагалось, что после взрыва ничего не найдут
@@yurakondratuk253This. Or either it's not worth it since if people want to, they can still trace back even the shards (if there are any of the size of the crystal), or just through other info sources maybe...
These are pretty ancient original designs, and exact chips can be identified by their microscopic fragments.
The sensor and the gyroscope are probably both assumed to be already well-known by the enemy. Also, the Soviets really like to repair, reuse and recycle. Having correct markings on everything helps with that.
@@Oktokolo The electronic component is disposable. Varnish is applied on top to protect against water. It is not possible to replace a part on an electronic board.
A primitive chip, not even sure if its a FPGA, note the manual calibration of each sensor - we do auto calibration in our fpga's today. The masses of white wires, if they simplified it then they could have made sockets with cables and then really mass produced. Instead there is some poor sod hand soldering each device!
That cycloneII looks old! Today cycloneIII is sold (we use at our company) but is going end of life - they significantly raised prices on parts a couple of years ago, a far more sophisticated device but its 20 year old tech, I suspect the cycloneII was probably grey import and previously recycled.
The pcb routing looks a mess and amateurish plus cheap pcb, the fact they soldered a 10-pin jtag hints at them doing a manual bring up of each board. The willy-nilly components plastered everywhere is disgusting, but also note - no sockets other than the jtag - obviously their design thinking - veeerry slow for production!
the f-35's most advanced node is 90nm and it is required to many orders of magnitude more calculations that a AGM has to do. I guess you simply don't understand how relatively simple military hardware can be to be extremely effective.
@@posmoo9790 Simple military gear can be effective, but by todays standards these boards are primitive. I work with devices orders of magnitude more complex, such as Arria10 90's - still only considered medium fpga's.
Take a look at a tear-down for a Javelin missile system, its crazy how advanced it is, the quality of components too really speaks volumes. But I can only wonder at what must have gone into the design process.
If that second board is an example of Russia's top tech then it speaks of deep problems and a complete lack of technical ability to design modern and reliable electronics.
@@MrEddieLomax that gear you are talking about is designed to be stored literally for 3-4 decades. those javelins in ukraine were made 30 years ago. the russians make stuff like that too, obviously many of those missiles they fired at the beginning of the war many were 40 years old. they're still using kh-55 missiles (with no warheads) as decoy drones that were built in the 1970s and 1980s. but this stuff they are producing is many cases now is going to be shot off tomorrow. you don't make things like that in the same way. they don't finish their 152mm shells or anything else right now. they don't paint them. there's no point. they won't exist long enough to rust. even though they are outproducing the entire west by 2x they still don't have near enough gear being produced.
a problem they might actually have is they haven't cut corners enough yet. there's a video of circuit board for a tornado s-rocket and they are still using the process they used long ago to create very dependable very robust electronics. maybe they just don't want to convert everything they have to war production because after the war they still need to able to create a weapon reserve that can last many decades.
@@posmoo9790 The breakdowns are on recently produced missiles, their electronics really is a amateur cottage industry. I have not seen any evidence of design practices to facilitate mass production.
You can believe what you want, but the fact Russia is importing from Iran and NK speaks of big problems.
We are literally viewing a video revealing consumer grade components - that is never a good thing.
What kind of washing machine they are taken from?
Very cool!
Это контроллер от стиралки Индезит?
Индезит отстой.
Это Вятка - автомат!!!
@@ИванИванов-з7п5ъперемычку только вытащить, чтобы ток пошёл на плисину побольше, и тогда активируется военный режим работы (последний пуск)😂
Фсе идеть по плану, стирать в проруби.
Awesome! Your English is fine.
Hello from Ukraine! 🖐
I live in the city of Zaporozhye, 50 kilometers from the front line.
Чому нэ українскою?
@@elektrikpco russian kid moment:
Greetings from Borodok! Nice to meet you here, zemlyak ;-) Slava Ukraine!
@@elektrikpcoчому не на фронте?
@@ggrisha87Гераням Слава!!!
Avec le ronronnement du chat. Génial.
Thank you a lot for your work! This morning we had another massive shelling of the civilian infrastructure of Kyiv and Kharkiv. Yesterday's New Year's Eve was also difficult for us. According to the information I found in open sources, most of the components in Russian missiles come from the USA and European countries. It is a shame that it is still possible for Russia to receive Western components that are used to terrorize the civilians in Ukraine
Ukraine bombed Belgorod first, targetig civilians, Russia was just retaliating in Kharkov, with justification.
Ukrainians terrorized Donbass for 10 years, shelling civilians. And the Ukrainians were ok. And when cashback came from Donbass 8 years later, Ukrainians cried en masse.)))
@@milutinke This is a terrible lie. In their report, the Russian military themselves admitted that this was the result of unprofessional actions of their air defense. And yesterday, the Russians accidentally destroyed an entire street in their village during another mass attack of Ukraine. War always boomerangs back to those who started it. Ukraine attacks only military objects. Russia has been terrorizing peaceful Ukrainian cities for two years. More than a thousand children died in terrorist attacks of Russia
No doubt, this speech is from a propaganda-washed layman. ^^^^
Very interesting!
Ich bewundere die konzeptionelle Reinheit
why is the second board looking like it is covered with resin! is that for protection or did they just leave the soldering oil or flux on after manufacturing???????
All military PCBs in Russia are covered by acrylic or silicone resin for moisture protection. Soldering flux is removed by cleaning in appropriate liquids - isopropanol, deionized water, etc. Be sure we here have the best production equipment that Europe, USA or Japan can suggest :-D
thanks for hiding senders
Nice. Now what the hell do you do with them?
All these parts were scavanged from washing machines belonging to old babuskas that take down those same missiles with pickle jars. This is what the european suprrme leader, miss 360° turn, baerbock, told us.
Haha so funny
Come on, we all know that russia can't produce microchips by technology later than 1990, and those one in the rockets are bought from all over the world for oil and gas west paid dollars
Are you having a stroke?
@@meotyda did you ever hear about microchip company called MCST?
Dear friend, I tried to look for many missile components in old washing machines thrown into landfill 😄😄... but I believe that Western propaganda is the enemy of Westerners themselves.
@@txm100 he's referring to what Miss von der Leyen said...