Stefan, you are my hero. Finally someone with enough skill to build such a gyro. It shows that the angular momentum is key to be able to measure a drift smaller than 15° per hour. And of course as small friction as possible and a perfect balance. This, guys, is not a toy gyro! Congratulation and thanks for your effort.
@Иди и смотри And then, measure the angle from other latitudes, and try the math for that!
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@Иди и смотри According to that piece of "maths", I should see Polaris at 18 degrees drom where I live just north of Oslo, Norway. I see Polaris at 60 degrees, which is also the latitude I'm living on... #interresting
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@Иди и смотри Monkeys...? I thought the topic here was the shape of the earth? Did I miss something? Oh, and by the way, our ancestors was NOT monkeys! Monkeys and homo sapiens have the same ancestors, I think you need to read up a bit on evolution!
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@Иди и смотри WOW! Here we were talking about the shape of the earth, you bring up evolution, then make a clown of yourself over it... That's just SO cute! So... Back to the shape of the earth, as I stated earlier here, I live just north of Oslo at 60 degrees. Why do I see Polaris at 60 degrees and not the 18 degrees that would happen in your example? We can all agree on that the earth is a physical object, and no matter the shape it CAN be observed and measured, right...?
I have worked with gyrocompasses for over 25 years. Given the amount of work you already put into this unit, it wouldn’t take a whole lot more to turn this into a true north, or true south, seeking gyrocompasses. Great job by the way.
That's great! We've got mass attracting mass, gyro's following the rotation of the earth - it's almost like we live on a spinning ball. Pass along thanks to Stefan P!
@@KennyEaton603 there is a downward orientation on earth but you have no evidence mass attracts mass… repeating what you believe isn’t evidence of that belief. g requires r. When and how was r verified?
The aether did it!! WOW! This needs more attention, no way this amount of work will be seen by just a handful of people. Even though I'm not the biggest channel out there, I'll give this a well deserved shoutout!
@ I deny nothing. Comprehension is necessary. You believe in unverified nonsense. Keep paying your taxes but you will never turn the earth into a globe.
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@@nicholashpitts I paid my taxes with my head held high, as I'm on my 12th year getting paid back from the government because of a case of chronic fatigue syndrome. But what does taxes have to do with the shape of the earth? The earth had it's shape a loooong time before people paid their taxes, I fail to see the connection there... Oh... And I have been out there doing my own homework the hard way, I didn't watch flat earth videos on youtube to get my research. You should try it once, it's really easy! Someone on the internet told you to not believe in anyone, and you believed them. Then they lied to you... It's harder to admit you've been lied to than believe that lie!
That crazy Scandinavian guy sent me your way. THIS, sir, is how we DO OUR OWN RESEARCH. Thanks for a magnificent effort and that sexy piece of rotating mass. You have joined a select group that is nailing that flat earth coffin shut. Thanks.
Blue Marble Science has his Cavendish (also an exquisite piece of hardware). Mr. Sensible has his M. A. G. E. 🌎 Bball4life has his submarine planes. Bob the science guy has excellent pictures of galaxies with his equatorial mount (only possible on a spherical earth). Reds Rhetoric has his rocket badassery and his ISS calculations. McToon has his Polaris angles and solar observations to get R. Wolfie6020 has his horizon drop measurements, conservation of momentum observations, among many other experiments. Tommy has awesome observations. Jesse Koslowski measured the friggin curvature. Soundly’s bridge. Many more put the work to do their own research. The list is loongggg. And now Stephen P, courtesy of fromJesse, has a mechanical gyro demonstration of the rotation of the planet. You are legend. I’m grateful to all of you.
Somewhere in the room. If you look @50:34 you can see that he has a little mirror glued to the metal beam to the right of the orange center hub. In the last experiment, he was bouncing the laser beam off that mirror I suspect.
_> Will these results be published on the fecore website?_ Of course not. They are the ones that are trying to get this video removed from youtube. This video was originally made and released a couple years ago, and they refused to put it on their website and they tried to get it removed from youtube. They only want videos on their website if it supports their narrative. They would have covered up the laser ring gyro evidence also if Bob hadn't forgot he had a hot mic on during the filming of "Behind the curve." Fecore has all the evidence needed to prove the earth is a spinning globe, and they hide it because that's not how they make their money, or whatever it is that they make.
No. But they will still feature this experiment on their experiments page on fecore.org and pretend that is an experiment in progress that you should donate to and fund.
What are the components on each side of the Y-axis when spinning? And why does the gyro not tilt to match its actual 3D position while twirling on a globe? But Einstein did also say we can not detect motion to earth from it. Relativity says we are just as much the same moving while the sky is still, as we are still and the sky turns.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean but there is a microcontroller circuit board with some push buttons and red LEDs on it to control the speed controller which is also in there and there are batteries as well. There are also colored blocks of rubber for balancing it. Gyros don't tilt to match their actual 3D position -- they try to "hold angular position" which means whatever angle you start it at or force it to then it tries to hold that angle.
@@fromjesse yes they do hold their position! Fixed to their axis they are spun up at, right? Rigidity in space. This gyro does not turn with respect to its 3D motion.
@@pitchlumin I don't know how else to explain it, my advise is to get one and play with it, you'll learn so so so much that I can't explain and what you won't get from reading. Also you can search my youtube channel for gyroscope to see me doing some demonstrations with gyroscopes as a cheap alternative.
Why 10 Degrees per Hour? I always thought that the drift is 15 degrees per hour WHEREVER you are on the globe. It is the linear velocity that changes with latitude. Right?
It is the radius on the cone, tangent with the globe, that's changing with the latitude. The radius of the latitude is the sinus of the angle, and 1 is the radius of the cone. On the equator the sinus is 0, the latitude is a great circle and the cone is a cylinder.
It is 15 degrees per hour everywhere, but the axis of rotation depends on your location. If you're on one of the poles, then the axis is straight up. If you're on the equator, then it's horizontal. Stefan's latitude is roughly 45 degrees, so he would only be seeing about 71% of the earth's rotation around the vertical axis, or about 10.5 degrees per hour in the vertical axis. When I did the experiment, I did put my gyroscope exactly lined up with the earth's rotation (even though I'm also near 45 degrees N) and I measured 15 degrees per hour: th-cam.com/video/xNYW8JWMVOY/w-d-xo.html
You get the same results with a Foucault pendulum. The drift varies with the latitude. The axis of a gyroscope can be adjusted to compensate, but the pendulum can't.
@@dogwalker666 literally everything you just said was wrong. You guys are all the same. You believe things are a way but you never bother to check. The world will be better off without you.
@@nicholashpitts Stop repeating lies. Gyrocompasses have been finding true north using earth rotation for over 100 years now. And fiber-optic gyros currently measure earth rotation TENS of THOUSANDS OF TIMES A DAY!
Hey @The Plane Truth, good to hear from you! You say: > _An observation with no demonstrable cause._ I respond: Is not that the useless plea of an infinite skeptic? Could not all flat earth evidence also be dismissed as an observation with no demonstrable cause? Could not all the video anomalies from NASA video be dismissed as observations with no demonstrable causes? Sure, I get it, _you_ quite clearly _believe_ that you know what the cause is. But you cannot demonstrate it. So all the evidence for a flat earth are observations with no demonstrable cause. Can't you recognize that to an unbiased person a spinning brass wheel and a laser ring gyro and a pendulum gyro (like mems) and the stars moving overhead ALL agree perfectly with the same proposed cause of an earth rotating, and any reasonable person would take this into consideration and consider it an awful interesting coincidence? And by the way, a gyro showing indication DOES have ONE known cause: Frame rotation. Yup. Frame rotation DOES cause a gyro to indicate rotation. And not only do gyros and observation of the stars all give the same ratation rate, they also give the same axis. As you measure the axis of this apparent gyro drift at different latitudes, the axis of that measured rotation changes: At the poles, it's straight up. At the equator, it's horizontal. At every position between, it matches the angle of the latitude - it's almost as if the earth is a sphere and it's rotating. So you're going to call all these different observations - which agree perfectly with a rotating earth - to be an observation without a demonstrable cause? That is of course your right but I'm pretty sure it's not the same standard you apply to your own believes about a flat earth. I really would appreciate your comment on this experiment I did from the bluff in Sequim, WA, USA: I stood on a 50ft high bluff overlooking 20 miles of water. Across the water is a 50ft high hill, and on that is a 187ft tall building, 21.2 miles away. I also set up a clear rubber tube full of red water to determine true level. See my diagram here: i.ibb.co/x2CpdY5/View-Towers-What-Path.jpg Sighting along the surfaces of the red water in the rubber tube, I observe that the ENTIRE 187ft tall building appears BELOW me. How is it possible that I have to look DOWN to see something that's HIGHER than me? Does light curve at approximately 8 inches per mile squared or what? Either light curves or earth curves. There's no other way for me to have to look DOWN to see the top of a 187ft tall building when both the building and I are standing on 50ft high ground. I also hiked up to the top of 8934ft tall Mt. Scott in Oregon, USA and measured the angle to the top of 14179ft tall Mt. Shasta, in California, 105 miles away. And even though Mt. Shasta is many thousands of feet taller, it still appears below eye-level. In other words, I had to look DOWN to see something that was a 5000ft+ ABOVE me: i.ibb.co/9g31yGT/Mt-Scott-to-Mt-Shasta.jpg I have measured the angle to several different mountain peaks from several different locations including other mountain peaks and 8 inches per mile squared comes through again and again. In your own words, how is it possible for me to have to look DOWN to see something that's HIGHER than me?
Stefan, you are my hero. Finally someone with enough skill to build such a gyro. It shows that the angular momentum is key to be able to measure a drift smaller than 15° per hour. And of course as small friction as possible and a perfect balance. This, guys, is not a toy gyro! Congratulation and thanks for your effort.
@Иди и смотри Look up gyroscopes, inertial navigation systems, gyro compass. And then we talk again.
@Иди и смотри And then, measure the angle from other latitudes, and try the math for that!
@Иди и смотри According to that piece of "maths", I should see Polaris at 18 degrees drom where I live just north of Oslo, Norway.
I see Polaris at 60 degrees, which is also the latitude I'm living on... #interresting
@Иди и смотри Monkeys...? I thought the topic here was the shape of the earth? Did I miss something?
Oh, and by the way, our ancestors was NOT monkeys! Monkeys and homo sapiens have the same ancestors, I think you need to read up a bit on evolution!
@Иди и смотри WOW! Here we were talking about the shape of the earth, you bring up evolution, then make a clown of yourself over it... That's just SO cute!
So... Back to the shape of the earth, as I stated earlier here, I live just north of Oslo at 60 degrees.
Why do I see Polaris at 60 degrees and not the 18 degrees that would happen in your example?
We can all agree on that the earth is a physical object, and no matter the shape it CAN be observed and measured, right...?
I have worked with gyrocompasses for over 25 years. Given the amount of work you already put into this unit, it wouldn’t take a whole lot more to turn this into a true north, or true south, seeking gyrocompasses.
Great job by the way.
Hey @fromjesse do you know if Stefan P would be up for an interview?
I don't know, but I thought I saw him comment on one of my videos about gyroscopes - if you can find that you can ask him :D
Excellent precision engineering.
That's great! We've got mass attracting mass, gyro's following the rotation of the earth - it's almost like we live on a spinning ball. Pass along thanks to Stefan P!
a beautiful blue globe slowly rotating, gliding through space orbiting the star Sol.
This is not a gyro… lol, and mass attracting mass was done away with, we believe in bendy space time now
@@nicholashpitts no, Einstein expanded on Newton’s work, he never replaced it. Mass still attracts mass, we simply understand why it happens now.
@@nicholashpitts and yes, that is by all means a gyroscope. A very well made gyroscope at that.
@@KennyEaton603 there is a downward orientation on earth but you have no evidence mass attracts mass… repeating what you believe isn’t evidence of that belief. g requires r. When and how was r verified?
Thanks Bob.
Indeed
That is an beautiful bit of construction! Well done on both the explanation and observations.
Tommy sent me here. Amazing work
Me too.
The aether did it!!
WOW! This needs more attention, no way this amount of work will be seen by just a handful of people.
Even though I'm not the biggest channel out there, I'll give this a well deserved shoutout!
No curve no ball.
@@nicholashpitts Denial isn’t debunking you know, please try again.
@ I deny nothing. Comprehension is necessary.
You believe in unverified nonsense.
Keep paying your taxes but you will never turn the earth into a globe.
@@nicholashpitts I paid my taxes with my head held high, as I'm on my 12th year getting paid back from the government because of a case of chronic fatigue syndrome.
But what does taxes have to do with the shape of the earth? The earth had it's shape a loooong time before people paid their taxes, I fail to see the connection there...
Oh... And I have been out there doing my own homework the hard way, I didn't watch flat earth videos on youtube to get my research. You should try it once, it's really easy!
Someone on the internet told you to not believe in anyone, and you believed them. Then they lied to you... It's harder to admit you've been lied to than believe that lie!
@ nasa gets $18 million per day of your tax dollars. And you can’t prove to me that you live on a ball…. This doesn’t concern you?
truly astonishing work!
thank you!
That crazy Scandinavian guy sent me your way. THIS, sir, is how we DO OUR OWN RESEARCH. Thanks for a magnificent effort and that sexy piece of rotating mass. You have joined a select group that is nailing that flat earth coffin shut.
Thanks.
Blue Marble Science has his Cavendish (also an exquisite piece of hardware).
Mr. Sensible has his M. A. G. E. 🌎
Bball4life has his submarine planes.
Bob the science guy has excellent pictures of galaxies with his equatorial mount (only possible on a spherical earth).
Reds Rhetoric has his rocket badassery and his ISS calculations.
McToon has his Polaris angles and solar observations to get R.
Wolfie6020 has his horizon drop measurements, conservation of momentum observations, among many other experiments.
Tommy has awesome observations.
Jesse Koslowski measured the friggin curvature.
Soundly’s bridge.
Many more put the work to do their own research. The list is loongggg.
And now Stephen P, courtesy of fromJesse, has a mechanical gyro demonstration of the rotation of the planet.
You are legend.
I’m grateful to all of you.
@@Qzopr1 Actually this gyro was built by - and this video was made by Stefan P. But I agree, his work is legendary!
@@fromjesse thanks, I had problems posting earlier and thought I had edited it. It’s now fixed. 👍
@@Qzopr1 I'M NOT CRAZY!!!
@ Oh! I beg to differ. You sir, willingly debated Gary Wybenga. Are you sure you’re not crazy 😛 😂
That is a thing of beauty
Sent by Tommy, subscribed, and enjoyed this thoroughly. Thanks for saving this important piece of evidence.
That is impressive. Very well made.
From Blue Marble. Nice work 💪
Thanks for doing so much work. :)
Stefan P did all the work and made the video!
Thanks...Bob?
I gotta see how you built that.
Great job.
LOVE IT
The video the flat earthers did not want you to see
Fascinating. You should take it to, or send it to someone in, Bogota or Singapore to try to show 15 degrees per hour.
Brilliant!
Excellent,thx for a super video👍🌍
Flatard War-cry "Do Your Own Research".
Oh. He Did....
Result.
The Earth is a Globe.
Science......
No that is an excellent piece of engineering. Love the way it proves the globe. Notice no flerfs commented yet
great experiment
Amazing work.
excellent experiment!
The conservation of angular momentum.
Lovely piece of engineering, I wonder what excuse the flatards will come up this time.
Beautiful!
Where is the laser installed for the last experiment at the end of the video
Somewhere in the room. If you look @50:34 you can see that he has a little mirror glued to the metal beam to the right of the orange center hub. In the last experiment, he was bouncing the laser beam off that mirror I suspect.
Wow. Beautiful
Nice one!
Commenting for the algorithm.
🥇
@@whereswa11y
Thanks mate. I'm touched.
This video needs maximum exposure. Also I have had a lot of fun with peterbergen, poor thing that he is.
Several Russian-speaking flerfs also broke down from experimenting with gyroscopic devices.
А фйфтиин дэгрии пэр оур дрйфт.
Its the StephanP voice ?
This is Stefan's video. He gave me permission to upload it here.
@@fromjesse should mirror it elsewhere just incase!
Will these results be published on the fecore website?
_> Will these results be published on the fecore website?_
Of course not. They are the ones that are trying to get this video removed from youtube. This video was originally made and released a couple years ago, and they refused to put it on their website and they tried to get it removed from youtube. They only want videos on their website if it supports their narrative.
They would have covered up the laser ring gyro evidence also if Bob hadn't forgot he had a hot mic on during the filming of "Behind the curve."
Fecore has all the evidence needed to prove the earth is a spinning globe, and they hide it because that's not how they make their money, or whatever it is that they
make.
@@fromjesse i was being sarcastic 🤭
@@Jerre27 Gotcha, ha ha.
@@fromjesse he should sell them as kits to really p off the FEcore charlatans.
No. But they will still feature this experiment on their experiments page on fecore.org and pretend that is an experiment in progress that you should donate to and fund.
Nuh uh... cgi... fake... presupposed...
Take your pick!
It's almost like the earth is rotating, weird huh 🤷♂️
👍
Lumoniforous Aether, lol! Which is created by all the flatards hot air.
Who is Stefan P? Where can I find more of his videos?
www.youtube.com/@stefanp.2365/videos
What are the components on each side of the Y-axis when spinning? And why does the gyro not tilt to match its actual 3D position while twirling on a globe? But Einstein did also say we can not detect motion to earth from it. Relativity says we are just as much the same moving while the sky is still, as we are still and the sky turns.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean but there is a microcontroller circuit board with some push buttons and red LEDs on it to control the speed controller which is also in there and there are batteries as well. There are also colored blocks of rubber for balancing it.
Gyros don't tilt to match their actual 3D position -- they try to "hold angular position" which means whatever angle you start it at or force it to then it tries to hold that angle.
@@fromjesse yes they do hold their position! Fixed to their axis they are spun up at, right? Rigidity in space. This gyro does not turn with respect to its 3D motion.
@@pitchlumin I don't know how else to explain it, my advise is to get one and play with it, you'll learn so so so much that I can't explain and what you won't get from reading.
Also you can search my youtube channel for gyroscope to see me doing some demonstrations with gyroscopes as a cheap alternative.
@@fromjesse could I please make a review of your video?
@@pitchlumin This particular video belongs to Stefan P. so you would need to ask him.
Suspend gyro with steel wire. Then have a servo measure the gyro position and untwist the wire by following it.
coole Sache
Why 10 Degrees per Hour? I always thought that the drift is 15 degrees per hour WHEREVER you are on the globe. It is the linear velocity that changes with latitude. Right?
It is the radius on the cone, tangent with the globe, that's changing with the latitude. The radius of the latitude is the sinus of the angle, and 1 is the radius of the cone.
On the equator the sinus is 0, the latitude is a great circle and the cone is a cylinder.
It is 15 degrees per hour everywhere, but the axis of rotation depends on your location. If you're on one of the poles, then the axis is straight up. If you're on the equator, then it's horizontal.
Stefan's latitude is roughly 45 degrees, so he would only be seeing about 71% of the earth's rotation around the vertical axis, or about 10.5 degrees per hour in the vertical axis.
When I did the experiment, I did put my gyroscope exactly lined up with the earth's rotation (even though I'm also near 45 degrees N) and I measured 15 degrees per hour: th-cam.com/video/xNYW8JWMVOY/w-d-xo.html
You get the same results with a Foucault pendulum. The drift varies with the latitude.
The axis of a gyroscope can be adjusted to compensate, but the pendulum can't.
Why don't you take that thing on a ship and see what it does?
добавьте субтитры.
I'd love to add subtitles but it takes a lot of work for an hour long video and I don't have time now.
@@fromjesse make automatic subtitles.
@@Evgeniy__Kuzmin I went back and tried again, and the option does not seem available on the free personal youtube.
@@fromjesse It’s strange. But your other videos have subtitles. Apparently they can be put at the very beginning.
Mars is flat like the Earth. Welcome to flat Mars where floating air boats debunk gravity
The Flat Earth Society disagrees: they say Mars is spherical.
@@MaGaO it's ok he is a Poe, so is his sock account.
So you have admitted that Mars is real, cool so that ruins flatardia totally, Oops, Better not tell Nathan Oakley he will have an aneurism.
@@dogwalker666
One can't take Flat Earth Society seriously either so it is kind of fun watching them contradict each other
@@MaGaO it definitely is, They are so angry with Bob over this and now with his Gravitometer.
Stefan P is a flat earther dude
> _Stefan P is a flat earther dude_
And he's an honest man.
Bob knodel is a flurf too he also proved rotation with a solid state gyroscope.
@@dogwalker666 thanks Bob.
@@an.d.m.a indeed.
What is this monstrosity? Actual mechanical gyros detect No drift.. but you think because this thing whatever it is drifts it means something??!
Sorry but all gyroscopes detect rotation, That's how a gyro Theodolite finds north! Only flurfs pretend they don't, Thanks Bob.
@@dogwalker666 literally everything you just said was wrong. You guys are all the same. You believe things are a way but you never bother to check. The world will be better off without you.
@@nicholashpitts
Explain how a gyrocompass finds north when it's switched on if the Earth is non rotating
Globe confirmed 💯🌍
@@nicholashpitts Stop repeating lies.
Gyrocompasses have been finding true north using earth rotation for over 100 years now.
And fiber-optic gyros currently measure earth rotation TENS of THOUSANDS OF TIMES A DAY!
@@nicholashpitts deny reality if you want but gyrotheodlites exist, Pizza world doesn't.
An observation with no demonstrable cause.
Hey @The Plane Truth, good to hear from you!
You say:
> _An observation with no demonstrable cause._
I respond:
Is not that the useless plea of an infinite skeptic? Could not all flat earth evidence also be dismissed as an observation with no demonstrable cause? Could not all the video anomalies from NASA video be dismissed as observations with no demonstrable causes?
Sure, I get it, _you_ quite clearly _believe_ that you know what the cause is. But you cannot demonstrate it. So all the evidence for a flat earth are observations with no demonstrable cause.
Can't you recognize that to an unbiased person a spinning brass wheel and a laser ring gyro and a pendulum gyro (like mems) and the stars moving overhead ALL agree perfectly with the same proposed cause of an earth rotating, and any reasonable person would take this into consideration and consider it an awful interesting coincidence?
And by the way, a gyro showing indication DOES have ONE known cause: Frame rotation. Yup. Frame rotation DOES cause a gyro to indicate rotation.
And not only do gyros and observation of the stars all give the same ratation rate, they also give the same axis.
As you measure the axis of this apparent gyro drift at different latitudes, the axis of that measured rotation changes: At the poles, it's straight up. At the equator, it's horizontal. At every position between, it matches the angle of the latitude - it's almost as if the earth is a sphere and it's rotating.
So you're going to call all these different observations - which agree perfectly with a rotating earth - to be an observation without a demonstrable cause?
That is of course your right but I'm pretty sure it's not the same standard you apply to your own believes about a flat earth.
I really would appreciate your comment on this experiment I did from the bluff in Sequim, WA, USA:
I stood on a 50ft high bluff overlooking 20 miles of water. Across the water is a 50ft high hill, and on that is a 187ft tall building, 21.2 miles away.
I also set up a clear rubber tube full of red water to determine true level.
See my diagram here: i.ibb.co/x2CpdY5/View-Towers-What-Path.jpg
Sighting along the surfaces of the red water in the rubber tube, I observe that the ENTIRE 187ft tall building appears BELOW me.
How is it possible that I have to look DOWN to see something that's HIGHER than me?
Does light curve at approximately 8 inches per mile squared or what? Either light curves or earth curves.
There's no other way for me to have to look DOWN to see the top of a 187ft tall building when both the building and I are standing on 50ft high ground.
I also hiked up to the top of 8934ft tall Mt. Scott in Oregon, USA and measured the angle to the top of 14179ft tall Mt. Shasta, in California, 105 miles away.
And even though Mt. Shasta is many thousands of feet taller, it still appears below eye-level. In other words, I had to look DOWN to see something that was a 5000ft+ ABOVE me: i.ibb.co/9g31yGT/Mt-Scott-to-Mt-Shasta.jpg
I have measured the angle to several different mountain peaks from several different locations including other mountain peaks and 8 inches per mile squared comes through again and again.
In your own words, how is it possible for me to have to look DOWN to see something that's HIGHER than me?
The cause is Earth rotation your personal incredulity is your problem.
The cause has been demostrated to be rotation of whatever the gyroscope was attached to. It was attached to the earth. CHECKMATE.
fake
Real science.
You wish, Flat earth is fake and you know it.
Thanks Bob.
Bob is the gift that keeps on giving!