Some don‘t understand that circuit boards for planes or military equipment needs to be reliable as possible. For the civilian this boards look old and clumsy because it doesn‘t visually compare with a modern PC mainboard. This board is emp hardened, corrosion free for decades , Vibration and shock resistent etc. etc.
ну на такой штуке можно сделать 5 стиральных машин. судя по дате маски, основная схема не очень новая, целых 8 лет. возможно их сделали очень много. а вот обвязкой конфигурировали, мелочёвка свежего выпуска, но им уже пол века стукнуло. ракеты сделали как раз под эту сво, еле успели
@@TheKelikat, большие схемы это большой матричный кристал 1537XM2 на 17 000 вентилей, который по совковому техпроцессу выполнен, так что 2015й год изготовления далеко не равен 2015м году по технологиям)) Там КВО у этих ракет ±500м наверное, если не больше с такими технологиями, хорошая баллистика и то будет поточнее, куда там до Хаймарса
Я думаю, что спецслужбы страны в которой живет автор уже установили за ним слежку, т.к. 1. Он скупает детали для самонаводящейся ракеты. 2. Хочет открыть свое нелицензированное производство стиральных машин. 3. Ввозит золото незаконным путем, обходя таможню.
and they wrote that Russians take microchips from washing machines. As far as I understand, SMD resistors are also manufactured in Russia. That is, Western chips and technologies on this board are completely absent, even resistors.
Soon the win-lose situation would be which neuronetwork has more faster neurons for situation awareness and decision making, then the best chips would win. This board is from past era.
Совершенно верно чипов от стиральных машин тут нет и быть не может. Так ято запад сколько хочет может говорить обратное нам пофигу на ихние компоненты. Мы ракеты можем делать сами полным циклом.
American developers used civilian chips to test Excalibur artillery shells. After firing the howitzer, they unscrewed the fuse simulator and found sand. The chips were destroyed to a fine state . Therefore, any military chips are not the same as civilian chips in smartphones, televisions, home computers , etc.
Making civilian electronics is diametrically opposite from making military electronics: you want them as cheap as possible and guaranteed to break after a while so you can sell a new one
That doesn't even make sense. Microprocessors have no moving parts, so any military applications they are used in shouldn't be an issue. The circuitry around the processor is the issue not the electronics. @@ImperativeGames
THis is a fantastic channel. Thank you Mr Sylvain. The TOTAL lack of capacitors in this board with 3 fpga tells you that the whole thing operates at sufficiently LOW FREQUENCIES, LOW UPDATE RATES whereby serial inductance is not a problem! Fascinating.
@@mask-u5v Ты просто перевернул картину моего мира. Закину как теорию: эти микрухи из стиралок Вятка-автомат 12, которые были поставлены в Бучу до 1991 года по лендлизу, а потом их выкрали и сделали их них Торнадо. Двигатели Т-90М из холодильников ЗИЛ, броневая сталь оттуда же.
знали бы вы какой это примитив начала 90 годов а микросхемы мелочь ещё ссср периуда . хм внутри кристаллы скорей всего с тайваня купленные в ленте и запакованнык в керамические корпуса. давняя традиция ! я как то советскую рф5 кажется под микроском сунул. ну не верил что в ссср такое сделают а там гордая надпись на кристалле AMD ...😂
Ha ha ha. Russians who are "backward" have a whole Yandex browser with a neural network that translates ANY video from YT into Russian "on the fly"? And you, an "advanced" Westerner, are you still looking for how Google turns on subtitles? My "Alice", for example, even swears obscenities and is able to make value judgments about the stupidity of the average resident of the EU or the USA, as well as the stupidity of their politicians and the media)))
You’ll see this in many low volume /high cost/ early model products - its often cheaper to rework a few PCBs than toss them. Sure they’ll incorporate the changes into the board layout next time they make a batch
Странные комментаторы конечно, им кажется, что в ракеты должны совать суперсовременные 2 нанометровые чипы, с микросхемами и платами на уровне смартфонов чтоли? Это херну произвести дешево, технологически она простая, что делает ее дешевле. А свои функции выполняет прекрасно.
эту херню произвести дёшево, и взять из бюджета на нее x100 денег. дачи генералов сами себя не построят. и детишек в топовых западных вузах за просто так учить не будут
Дешево? Уж точно ничего дешевого здесь нет. Одни лишь компоненты на этой плате имеют закупочную цену больше 100 тысяч рублей на наших предприятиях, это грубо. Потому что три самых дорогих микросхемы из десятков представленных здесь, уже стоят более 10 тысяч рублей. А их тут под сотню, не считая более чем сотню SMD компонентов. Потом нужно нанести дорожки на текстолит, спаять всё это, где то заколхозить перемычки (вторая сторона платы идут от зеленых резисторов), залить это компаундом. Собрать 2 платы вместе, соединить перемычками по бокам потому что плата не двухслойная, а две отдельных платы. Себестоимость готовой платы не менее 150 тысяч рублей. Так что дешевизной в военке вообще не пахнет, даже когда она такая простая на компонентной базе 80ых годов.
Можно. Это по сути обычные универсальные микропроцессоры, просто версия "на стеройдах" мало отличающаяся от советских 80ых годов, их прямой наследник. Но один АVR в РФ не делают, а вот этих динозавров делают. Один stm32 мог бы их с лихвой заменить условно, но вся схема явно не под него, плюс он импортный.@@robmik83
@@АртёмИрискин Mask programmed gate arrays. Still found in some space electronics, but have been largely replaced in such applications with antifuse gate arrays.
well, France has ST Microelectronics factories for example, and others, but we also have a lot of design and R&D going on in Lyon area (for example LoRa modulation was designed in France, well before it was Semtech, later sold to americans), and of course there is chips and assembly production facilities for defence and space, and even few for industrial/commercial application such as EVs.
And since France exports weapons to countries that may not be aligned with USA, many parts have to be second-sourced or redesigned. This keeps the engineers busy and up-to-date 😀
Very interesting! Thanks a lot for your efforts. I have seen a picture of a Russian drone that clearly showed an Altera FPGA. Yes, Russian electronic manufacturing capabilities are far behind (10 to 20 years they say). But that is not so hugely important for avionics where robustness counts the most. Millenium7 has a video about Russias chip manufacturing. Anyhow, the result of all those sanctions will be more effort of Russia to reduce the distance in their chip production capabilities. Don't poke the bear!
As china as struggling with keeping up with Taiwanese and western technologies, with many many more highly trained people available to it, i doubt they will be able to close the gap without resorting to NK tactics of kidnapping of important people (Or the Chinese tactic of throwing money at them). Russia was aiming for 28nm by 2027 (compared to 2nm for TSMC by 2026), but as pretty much all investment is on hold in Russia at the moment, they are unlikely to hit that. Especially as one of the two Russian semiconductor manafacturers, Angstream, are now reported bankrupt. and the other one, Mikron, has only reached 65nm in 2020. Russia would need at least 15 years of uninterrupted high level investment without sanctions to reach parity, and with sanctions even more, as they would have to develop their own EUVL machines. (Of which there is currently only one supplier in the world capable of
One important thing you miss in your calculation (and the past history has proven that to be true) is that Russia is not starting where Taiwan started 25 years ago. Many more technologies have been developed that enable new approaches to the problems. The pioneers were always much slower than the ones that follow. Making any kinds of predictions like you did in the 21st century is dangerous. China has just proven that with the new phone from Huawei. Yes, it’s still not on par, but it’s way more advanced than anybody had expected.
@@spodula There are some things, only partially unrelated about that chip manufacturing: TSMC is mostly Taiwan based, but also is in China. So that is why USA fear China taking back Taiwan. And that is the reason USA invests a lot of money to bring back chip manufacturing. ASML (lithography) is the hands down leader in this market. That's why US (don't know what company) bought about 50% of them (and part of Zeiss, responsible for the optics), only to start threatening China to shut down their ASML machinery remotely and/or deny service/lock features. This only provokes utter efforts for China (and Russia) to invest in their own lithography. Let's wait and see when the ASMLs are hacked and shut down by other powers ... Half of a year later, they can only admire empty wavers.
This is TTL logic, controlled by current. Higher current values are less affected by interference. He considers all this for too long and speaks with some kind of harsh French accent (nothing is clear). For a rocket this is a necessary and sufficient condition. Diode assemblies, secondary voltage converters. A fairly primitive circuit for the “AND-NOT” element to perform pre-programmed functions. But for a rocket this is quite enough. Apparently a block for executing defense commands (shooting heat traps or some kind of maneuver with a return). Nothing special. The main thing is that it is reliable like an AK-47
@@diagtula Maybe they transfer the guidance algorithm to SRAM over UART so it is not stored in flash/rom and can't be dumped. It is common practice but I don't think it's usually done over UART.
Von der Liar: "Russians are taking out semiconductors from washing machines for military hardware". And the marmot, it puts the chocolate in the alu-foil ...
@@drkastenbrot Still it is deliberately misleading I think. Using chips that you could also find in a washing machine, sure. Importing said chips, claiming they will be used to make washing machines, likely. Removing chips from washing machines for re-use, very unlikely imho...
@@drkastenbrot Do you know something about microcontrollers?? Do you think it is possible to take a washing machine microcontroller, programmed to do washing cycles and put it into a guided missile to proccess satellite signals??? Really??
@@carlosbanosoliva4226 yes, yes and yes. you just get the correct programming adapter (often jtag) and reprogram them. the vast majority of microcontrollers are reprogrammable.
564 и 1564 серии микросхем это импортные аналоги CD64xx CMOS. Микроконтроллеры скорее всего из этой же серии малопотребляющие. Быстродействие тут не очень важно. Важно логика работы схемы.
Мне нравится наши производители, максимально использующие кириллицу при том те буквы, которые не встречаются в латинице ) Это ещё больше усложняет идентификацию для иностранцев )
Мне кажется, если бы там нанесли еврит или фарси - это запутало бы всех максимально 😁 А есть такая плата с кириллицей, то понять, кто её произвёл не сложно 😉
@@msylvain59 hope you are lucky and recived Betavoltaic peacemaker. My friend recived with lithium battery and had to change it because battery drained . Best wishes.
@@helmutabou-chaker7365hi speaks ebout connection kabels , its covered with teflon or something like this, i have ol soviet this types of cabels 2 kg 😂
@@helmutabou-chaker7365 No military board can do without MGTF wires )) it is easier to add a jumper than to go through all the circles of hell again, correcting the design documentation ) old weapons joke. It's very interesting to see how our schematics are solved )
Very nice I was watching some of this seller's stuff on eBay but I was worried about importing into the uk 😅 you got a good price on this board, definitely the best one he had 👍🏻
@@paulpaulzadeh6172 i'm layout designer too 😂 maybe you are right. I searched the whole video but couldn't find any trace of microvias. It doesn't matter. Respect from France my layout Friend ✌️
@@JesutekOne of key to notice is that when you use microvia pcb , component placement get much easier and placement of each parts can be in like chess board . Through hole penetrate and allocates on all layer and also you need clearance to other nets. This is art how you plane your pcb layout, hat off for russian engineer who made it. 😮😊
Many commentators do not understand that “quality” in their understanding (i.e. with 3nm chips) is expensive And when something is excessively expensive for the purpose, then it is not enough And then “quantity” turns into quality, in other words, “quality, but expensive and of which there is little” is low-quality. Without quotes The weapon must be as effective as possible per unit of cost (money, labor, resources in general).
And also is not a flying shovel😂 West had shown its real, hegemonic face. All the educated,logical and informed people know who is winning in that conflict...and for sure it isnt Marvels universe "heroes"😂 Hegemon needs to see that the world is not just his for the taking, and this electronics is a show of that. Hegemon is dying and we all must prepare for his agonizing death, dont let us be dragged to a hole rogether with it. Age of hegemony is over. It was enough. No more.
@@trolslovenski Germany in WW2 blamed the West too. We all know how that particular gaslighting and projection ended, and russias will be no different.
@@trolslovenski Dont be so proud russian colonial fascist. This chips are soviet copies of 1970s western chips produces in mostly belarus and some in russia. Maybe 8-bit Nintendo level. Compare this guidance system size to a much smaller Himars guidance kit. Although I agree some western war coverage is way over the top claiming russians are clumsy cavemen that dont know what they are doing. I would say russians are smart proud colonial war criminals.
Look for technical data of the integrated circuits used. Many of the components used can be found in publicly available catalogues. This is a museum of technology!!!!
hmm, you probably don't need all that gold if you not gonna store those rockets for too long. Could those chips be silicon on saphire type? Our electronics teacher once told us that military uses those type of chips to make them more resilient to radiation.
Looks to be conformally coated, so corrosion resistance probably isn't the reason. Unless it's some sort of redundancy. Very interesting it's just about every component.
@@popovoleg70 what do you mean? The author shows some components (under big ICs) and says he's not sure if it's a transformer or some logic. I know for a fact that БТИ is a marking of pulse transformers. Usually it's just for decoupling - nothing special.
I used to work in a military assembly many years ago and I know for a fact that these boards are not cheap. Not just because of the gold coated contacts but the ICs as well, plus the components used have very little tolerance. The boards have also to be coated with a specific resin to avoid problems at high altitudes. The modules I used to work with would cost around 20k€, at the time. And that was a specific module for the antenna of an aircraft. Having those on a missile just to be able to guide it, for something that is going to be destroyed, it's very expensive. Yet they launch hundreds of these every now and then. The Russians must be absolutely crazy and want to win that stupid war if they are willing to spend that much money on it.
I wouldn't call them 'absolutely crazy'. These are weapons and they are manufactured to be used. If somebody is crazy it's Neocons who created this mess in the first place. War pigs.
@@mask-u5vкому «нам»? Не ты этим деньгами распоряжаешься 1/3 российского бюджета в 2024 уйдёт на «оборону» за счет сокращения остальных статей как образование/культура и тд, а ты и дальше радуйся, бестолочь
дата на логике намекает что сделали их чуть ли во время сво. ничего уникального нет, но ведь это было реально секретно пока не начали применять. мелькали только единичные фотки в блогах инженеров. вообще подобные блоки не выбрасывают, они сразу идут на переработку, так что видеть их простому народу негде
So that's what they are, control units of the Russian washing machine (we're talking about a denazification war machine wiping out the face of the earth). Так вот они какие, блоки управления русской стиральной машиной (речь про стирающую с лица земли денацификационную военную машину)
@@sevinnexrelim5058 The Soviets knew about Forth processors which can be done in relatively small FPGAs or custom chips using 4000+ gates (16bit CPU w. 2 stacks and simple ALU). Forth is a stack-based programming language with extremely small ressource requirements.
I dont belive you Western ppl Unserstand this, IS fastest system in minimal config ITS Not Like your Western starbugs Coffee in Google Weed headquator useless App Programming. WE dont find even good simens sps Programming Guys ITS a fail tolerance redundand masterpiece
I used 1537 (that 3 big ASICs on board) back in 2009 for the most civilian purposes as possibly - developed equipment for milk factory! 😂 We had boxes full of them and used everywhere. They left from canceled project of chemical plant for India (as I know, not sure, it was before I came into company), Indian company bankrupted (it was times of financial crisis) and project stopped, while thousands of chips left.
@@juliap.5375 so you get them by chance - indian factory bankrupted. If would not - no chips. Someone can solder off it from missile board and tell that they avaiable. I am HAM radio designer, build sw receivers. And use no my own russian components because this can be get by chance. As for CPU and FPGAs trey also need specual soft and programmers. That's serious butthurt to search it for this punk golden chips. Thats my opinion about it as HAM designer
Thank you this is all very interesting, excellent delivery too. Can you actually read those Russian specifications or how do you translate? I guess google is sufficient for technical parts? Can you give an idea, how much was this part? Also, I am new to your channel so haven't looked yet, but is it possible to connect some of these boards up to FPGA or something to find more about the firmware aspect? I am just a hobbyist, sorry if I am displaying obvious ignorance. This kind of thing has always been my interest, all my life I have taken things apart, and struggled to get them working again, but I guess that's how to learn. Thanks again for sharing, I didn't even think sourcing the parts was possible, let alone reverse engineering. I might have a new hobby. Excellent!
@@ИлларионРакин да я понимаю (но некоторые после гуглопереводчика могут и не понять, это скорее для них). А платы из стиральных машин еле-еле гарантию пережить могут, какие тут ракеты
Да херня, в каждой стиральной машинке такая требуха, в самсунгах для торнадо, в аристонах для искандеров, если найти бош то это удача - можно ярс собрать 😂😂😂
I'm not an electrical engineer, so feel free to correct me, but: That's a surprising amount of logic gates chips. You would think their logic could fit in one of those gate arrays, but I guess they are either too small (gate count) or preprogrammed with some common logic (not custom made for one product) No ASICs, maybe it makes sense for non mass-produced thing Quite a lot of bodge wires, creates expectations for quality unless it is one of the first units for testing Wondering what's the deal with boards glued together, would be nice to see ho many layers it has
80's inheritance, a lot of glue logic, old chips, old design, low grade assembly, a lot of bulges. Totally different from what you will find in France or US defense systems.
This is TTL logic, controlled by current. Higher current values are less affected by interference. He considers all this for too long and speaks with some kind of harsh French accent (nothing is clear). For a rocket this is a necessary and sufficient condition. Diode assemblies, secondary voltage converters. A fairly primitive circuit for the “AND-NOT” element to perform pre-programmed functions. But for a rocket this is quite enough. Apparently a block for executing defense commands (shooting heat traps or some kind of maneuver with a return). Nothing special. The main thing is that it is reliable like an AK-47
Анекдот: У моей бабушки в Берлине было три унитаза: золотой, серебряный и фаянсовый. Но когда РУССКИЕ вошли в Берлин в 45, то она обосралась в коридоре😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
They used to make only one missile out of 1000 washing machines, but technology is evolving rapidly, now it's 1000 missiles out of one washing machine per hour.
The diamond does not mean military acceptance, but a component with increased responsibility, which are subject to increased requirements in terms of compliance with technology and reliability.
Не факт. Я покупал советские микросхемы новые в упаковках еще лет 5 назад. Там была 500 и 1500 серии. Так вот где я их покупал был целый склад с тоннами этих микросхем
еслиб в 80 годы были такие микросхемы, там бы стиралки были круче чем сейчас. но тогда такие микросхемы стоили слишком дохрена даже с учётом что стиралки тогда стоили в 5 раз дороже чем сейчас. тогда бы они реально как ракеты стоили
@@denvvv187, это тупая плата контроллера полёта, выполненная на совдеповской элементной базе и бмк, так что это технологии обезьян в 21м веке по факту. Расскажи мне знаток лучше про элементную базу аппаратуры рэб и гсн
@@apdgslfhsodbna Это НЕ тупая плата контроллера полета, знатоки хреновы. Это UART с обвязкой. Мамкины знатоки элементной базы авионики тут собрались однако. Давно обезьяны делают рад стойкие микросхемы в керамике? Вы, надеюсь, не с ширпотребом сравниваете, а то проблемы COTS в F35 до сих пор вылазят. Самоуверенная некомпетентность или некомпетентная самоуверенность, как правильно?
I fix vintage computers and arcade machines as a hobby. These use lots of standard logic ICs. Imagine reusing some of those to fix a pinball or arcade machine!
Такая низкая степень интеграции очень ненадежна. Тем более что такая древняя металокерамическая корпусировка кристаллов подвержена температурным расширениям и приводит к отрыву электродов между кристаллом и ножкой корпуса. Это ископаемое гoвнo. И излучение тут совешенно непричем. Хорошо держит изучение схемы на сапфировых подложках. А тут обычное совкове старье, хорошее лишь тем, что оттуда можно наковырять много золота. Да и степень интеграции как у китайского MP3 плеера за 300 рублей, если не хуже. Каменный век.
@@roadster241 This is not my information, as the Western media claim. There has been no electronics in Russia for a long time. We take apart washing machines to make rockets.
9 (?) лет школы, однако, своей эффективности пока не показали, хотя даже в импульсивных комментариях простые и понятные правила русского языка вполне применимы...
спасибо, с удовольствием посмотрел этот ролик. как любитель микроконтроллеров и вообще микросхем просто по-белому завидую вам как обладателю данной платы. вы не зря потратили 180 $.
хороший ход для продавца с украины, впарившему наивному французу плату от советской ракеты времен Харьковских КБ. Такая знаете ли - психологическая "пост-поддержка", мол ,чувак - ты купил лучшую вещь на e-bay, приходи еще и приводи друзей)))
@@VasiliyLomovoy я в Крыму живу! если для тебя Крым Украина жди в гости фсб. если бы у меня была такая плата, я бы её не продал т.к. электроника - моё хобби, но тебе это не понять.
@@denpar5450 когда ты, сидя в Крыжопое, звонишь от имени службы безопасности Сбербанка и тебе задают вопрос - "чей Крым", ты что отвечаешь? )) Кстати, учти - за такие звонки тебе статья светит.
В чип и дипе цена на 1537ХМ2 до $100 доходит, а их 3 шт. Но это кастомный ASIC, цена с завода, да с военной приемкой, думаю, подороже будет. Если бы чипы можно было переиспользовать, то просто по деталям вышел в плюс. Но выглядят компоненты, конечно, красиво - это, вам, не унылые пластиковые dip/soic/sot23 корпуса.
Diamond is Military grade, Square - Industrial grade, Triangle - ESD sensitivity. ОС - special series, OCM small special series (usually high reliability and radiation endurance).
Military grade pcb. You don’t need 3nm chips to guide a missile. The software is what makes the difference. In the eighties Russian SW was the best on the planet, because their hardware was lacking. Now Russia can either get everything it needs from China or make it themselves. The decoupling from the empire has led to a greatly accelerated substitution program. Russia now transforms rapidly into an autarch full spectrum economy. Without the SMO this would not have been possible. Another 2 years and this transformation is completely irreversible. The same transformation happens in China. Soon Taiwan has nothing more to offer that BRICS doesn’t have and better. Even the most complex jet engines for civil wide body aircraft are now full made in Russia. Cars, Trains and now the pharma industry. So while the empire still analyzes what Russia can make in terms of technology Russia is already two steps further ahead. Russia started the autarchy program in 2012 not 2014 as some thought. In 2012 the MIR system was conceptualized. Russia is 10 years ahead with its strategic development plan. The decoupling was inevitable, and Russia was patient with the Ukraine, exactly because it waited for the right time when a full decoupling would be executed and would trigger the accelerated transformation. Putin openly stated this on Feb 23 22: they will sanction us anyway no matter what we do”.
Not really. It is a lot in terms of consumer electronics like television sets. But the norm for industrial and military tech. It is a problem, everyone always looks at electronics as if it is a video game console. The requirements of those are very different to the overwhelming number of products.
it's not cool that my country makes such things to kill other people instead of making something useful, but your video is cool and I really was missing that French accent as i haven't work with French colleagues for a long time. Was nice to hear it again.
Some don‘t understand that circuit boards for planes or military equipment needs to be reliable as possible. For the civilian this boards look old and clumsy because it doesn‘t visually compare with a modern PC mainboard. This board is emp hardened, corrosion free for decades , Vibration and shock resistent etc. etc.
Great so if it gets dusty can wash it in dish washer with CIF 🤘
@@Documenting_Life_8619 correct. It still works after that 😬😬
Civilians also use lead free solder that cannot survive vibrations
@@kkrolik2106who says it's not lead free ??? Visually there is no difference 😂
In west lead free is prohibited to be use in Aviation, Military, Nuclear and Space industry, I guess Russians do this same.
Так вот как выглядит чип стиральной машинки
Ну да, для всего мира не секрет, что русские разбирают стиралки и микроволновки, чтобы вытащить оттуда чипы для своих ракет
ну на такой штуке можно сделать 5 стиральных машин.
судя по дате маски, основная схема не очень новая, целых 8 лет. возможно их сделали очень много.
а вот обвязкой конфигурировали, мелочёвка свежего выпуска, но им уже пол века стукнуло.
ракеты сделали как раз под эту сво, еле успели
@@TheKelikat, большие схемы это большой матричный кристал 1537XM2 на 17 000 вентилей, который по совковому техпроцессу выполнен, так что 2015й год изготовления далеко не равен 2015м году по технологиям)) Там КВО у этих ракет ±500м наверное, если не больше с такими технологиями, хорошая баллистика и то будет поточнее, куда там до Хаймарса
This is the best washmachine circuit what ever seen :)
@@kopjasattila4790 yea, modern washing machine barely survive even warranty time
Это блок отжима на стиральной машине вятка
Точно! Я-то думаю где я это видел, СССР 1986 год😹
Поправлю, это вятка-автомат
🤣🤣🤣🤣😀😀👍👍👍
@@sergiovictor7581 Вы чё, это ж плата от активаторной Оки. На Вятках intel Core-i4 стоят !
чипы из СМ "Вятка-автомат" используются в тектоническом оружии.
Я думаю, что спецслужбы страны в которой живет автор уже установили за ним слежку, т.к.
1. Он скупает детали для самонаводящейся ракеты.
2. Хочет открыть свое нелицензированное производство стиральных машин.
3. Ввозит золото незаконным путем, обходя таможню.
and they wrote that Russians take microchips from washing machines.
As far as I understand, SMD resistors are also manufactured in Russia. That is, Western chips and technologies on this board are completely absent, even resistors.
In china, , 2$ per 1kilogramm, or something like this.
but yes, if its ionizing radiation resistance mil grade, so it shoul be like y said.
Soon the win-lose situation would be which neuronetwork has more faster neurons for situation awareness and decision making, then the best chips would win. This board is from past era.
It is just Ukrainian fake
Совершенно верно чипов от стиральных машин тут нет и быть не может. Так ято запад сколько хочет может говорить обратное нам пофигу на ихние компоненты. Мы ракеты можем делать сами полным циклом.
@@hrissan Любая нейросеть быстро смекнет что ей через час наступит конец, так как над ее датацентром взорвется термоядерная бомба.
я сдал холодильник государству на нужды армии, мне сказали что из него сделают 3 ракеты
Я сдал унитаз. Сказали что из трех унитазов получается 1 ракета
у меня не приняли унитаз, слишком обосраный был@@ВладимирСергеевич-в1м
😆
@@ВладимирСергеевич-в1м у нас не было унитаза, мы сдали лопаты, две штыковые, а одну для снега.
Тебя обмалул чиновник. Из одного холодильника можно сделать 4 ракеты.
American developers used civilian chips to test Excalibur artillery shells. After firing the howitzer, they unscrewed the fuse simulator and found sand. The chips were destroyed to a fine state . Therefore, any military chips are not the same as civilian chips in smartphones, televisions, home computers , etc.
Making civilian electronics is diametrically opposite from making military electronics: you want them as cheap as possible and guaranteed to break after a while so you can sell a new one
That doesn't even make sense. Microprocessors have no moving parts, so any military applications they are used in shouldn't be an issue. The circuitry around the processor is the issue not the electronics. @@ImperativeGames
Most people are too stupid to understand how Russia manufacture her military chips. Check out th-cam.com/video/r94qCraTBYM/w-d-xo.html
Bullshit.
Link to the test report, or it did not happen.
THis is a fantastic channel. Thank you Mr Sylvain. The TOTAL lack of capacitors in this board with 3 fpga tells you that the whole thing operates at sufficiently LOW FREQUENCIES, LOW UPDATE RATES whereby serial inductance is not a problem! Fascinating.
Yeah about 5 Mhz, same speed as 1980.
These were taken from my washing machine, I am typing this with soiled underwear
Скоро они ощутят их на себе. Будут охреневать от стиралок
@@alexra956 Washington in 3 days?
in final stage it will be some kind of homunculus (washmachine+ microwave+ iron, with main function to devastate)
@@rafflesmaosнахрена?? Сам бери фашингтон за 3 дня. Туда термоядерку и фсе
@@alexra956 Отлично, давай. Посмотрим и там какие платы стоят. В обмен раша посмотрит какие платы стоят в Минитмен. Или не посмотрит, ну как повезет.
Do you know, the small Rhombus symbol means "military grade" from Soviet time.
Most people are dmbr then animals
Так вот куда делись все микросхемы из стиральных машин
Видимо стиралки были исключительно российскими😂😂😂
@@mask-u5v Ты просто перевернул картину моего мира. Закину как теорию: эти микрухи из стиралок Вятка-автомат 12, которые были поставлены в Бучу до 1991 года по лендлизу, а потом их выкрали и сделали их них Торнадо. Двигатели Т-90М из холодильников ЗИЛ, броневая сталь оттуда же.
знали бы вы какой это примитив начала 90 годов а микросхемы мелочь ещё ссср периуда . хм внутри кристаллы скорей всего с тайваня купленные в ленте и запакованнык в керамические корпуса. давняя традиция ! я как то советскую рф5 кажется под микроском сунул. ну не верил что в ссср такое сделают а там гордая надпись на кристалле AMD ...😂
@@SIDERROCKПо кристалу 4915.2 и куче счетчиков, похоже, что добрая половина платы - это скрепная реализация ЮАРТа.
@@AndrewShevchuk
Что есть ЮАРТ ?
Could you add an english subtitles please? I'm not so good in english to recognize this magnificent french accent.
you can turn them on by clicking the CC button.
@@robmik83 oow kenn tonne them onne bai kleekinga da sisi boton.
its an accent, i thought he was sucking something long and hard while talking
Ha ha ha. Russians who are "backward" have a whole Yandex browser with a neural network that translates ANY video from YT into Russian "on the fly"? And you, an "advanced" Westerner, are you still looking for how Google turns on subtitles? My "Alice", for example, even swears obscenities and is able to make value judgments about the stupidity of the average resident of the EU or the USA, as well as the stupidity of their politicians and the media)))
@@robmik83have you tested them? they don't
Plenty of bodge wires just like other avionics I've taken apart. Nice that you got it before it was scrapped for gold.
You’ll see this in many low volume /high cost/ early model products - its often cheaper to rework a few PCBs than toss them. Sure they’ll incorporate the changes into the board layout next time they make a batch
Французский супостат походу высоко оценил Русскую стиральную машинку : )))
Это видео про ремонт стиральных машин?
Странные комментаторы конечно, им кажется, что в ракеты должны совать суперсовременные 2 нанометровые чипы, с микросхемами и платами на уровне смартфонов чтоли? Это херну произвести дешево, технологически она простая, что делает ее дешевле. А свои функции выполняет прекрасно.
эту херню произвести дёшево, и взять из бюджета на нее x100 денег.
дачи генералов сами себя не построят.
и детишек в топовых западных вузах за просто так учить не будут
Дешево? Уж точно ничего дешевого здесь нет. Одни лишь компоненты на этой плате имеют закупочную цену больше 100 тысяч рублей на наших предприятиях, это грубо. Потому что три самых дорогих микросхемы из десятков представленных здесь, уже стоят более 10 тысяч рублей. А их тут под сотню, не считая более чем сотню SMD компонентов. Потом нужно нанести дорожки на текстолит, спаять всё это, где то заколхозить перемычки (вторая сторона платы идут от зеленых резисторов), залить это компаундом. Собрать 2 платы вместе, соединить перемычками по бокам потому что плата не двухслойная, а две отдельных платы. Себестоимость готовой платы не менее 150 тысяч рублей. Так что дешевизной в военке вообще не пахнет, даже когда она такая простая на компонентной базе 80ых годов.
@@kocou71 Речь о дешевых кристаллах на "толстом" тех.процессе.
@@kocou71 а что все эти чипы делают, если не секрет? из нельзя заместить одним AVR?
Можно. Это по сути обычные универсальные микропроцессоры, просто версия "на стеройдах" мало отличающаяся от советских 80ых годов, их прямой наследник. Но один АVR в РФ не делают, а вот этих динозавров делают. Один stm32 мог бы их с лихвой заменить условно, но вся схема явно не под него, плюс он импортный.@@robmik83
Resistors without markings does not mean that they are old ) Just in Russia in the factory you can order resistors without markings.
Точнее наоборот - маркировку наносят за дополнительную плату, а они и так стоят как паровоз. Это чистая экономия.
@@ЙожикПотап ага) думай так дальше)
@@ЙожикПотапэто твои влажные мечты ничего не имеющие общего относительно реальности🤷
@@mask-u5v где росийские телефоны, стиралки, телевизоры?
@@mask-u5v В России в 2023 году собрали только два Superjet-100. У смехдержавы что-то случилось?
1537XM2 is a set of basic blocks that can be used to make any chip, including FPGAs.
This is ASIC
This is not FPGA and this is not ASIC, this is some kind of transitional form
@@kapitankakao6592 no it's PGA
@@АртёмИрискин yep based on old Xilinx tech
@@АртёмИрискин Mask programmed gate arrays. Still found in some space electronics, but have been largely replaced in such applications with antifuse gate arrays.
We used to use gold to attach the die as well as the bonding wires when I worked in a space chip factory.
In russia?
@@strafniki1080 UK. Marconi. 1980`s. Now a Chinese owned factory. :(
wow!!! this is definitely circuit board from the my washing machine, requisitioned by the KGB/FSB six months ago!
Hardly, a PCB from a washing machine is made much better without makeshift wire connections.
А как вы будете программу стирки менять?😂 Как раз переключая проводники
@@tonyalexeev14 Ну ракеты по кругу летают, видимо режим "отжим"
Ммудак 😂
@@user-ov8uo9fy1v это они у вас в голове по кругу летают
Do you have any fully-domestic electronics production in France? I guess France needs one since it has nukes and ICBMs.
well, France has ST Microelectronics factories for example, and others, but we also have a lot of design and R&D going on in Lyon area (for example LoRa modulation was designed in France, well before it was Semtech, later sold to americans), and of course there is chips and assembly production facilities for defence and space, and even few for industrial/commercial application such as EVs.
Thanks! I see, I thought STM was Swiss, but they just have headquarters in Geneva and fabs are mainly in France and Italy.
And since France exports weapons to countries that may not be aligned with USA, many parts have to be second-sourced or redesigned. This keeps the engineers busy and up-to-date 😀
they make electronics for Airbus and the Ariane rockets
Very interesting! Thanks a lot for your efforts. I have seen a picture of a Russian drone that clearly showed an Altera FPGA. Yes, Russian electronic manufacturing capabilities are far behind (10 to 20 years they say). But that is not so hugely important for avionics where robustness counts the most. Millenium7 has a video about Russias chip manufacturing.
Anyhow, the result of all those sanctions will be more effort of Russia to reduce the distance in their chip production capabilities. Don't poke the bear!
As china as struggling with keeping up with Taiwanese and western technologies, with many many more highly trained people available to it, i doubt they will be able to close the gap without resorting to NK tactics of kidnapping of important people (Or the Chinese tactic of throwing money at them). Russia was aiming for 28nm by 2027 (compared to 2nm for TSMC by 2026), but as pretty much all investment is on hold in Russia at the moment, they are unlikely to hit that. Especially as one of the two Russian semiconductor manafacturers, Angstream, are now reported bankrupt. and the other one, Mikron, has only reached 65nm in 2020.
Russia would need at least 15 years of uninterrupted high level investment without sanctions to reach parity, and with sanctions even more, as they would have to develop their own EUVL machines. (Of which there is currently only one supplier in the world capable of
We are building a synchrotron for lithography here in Zelenograd, so wait for the news.
One important thing you miss in your calculation (and the past history has proven that to be true) is that Russia is not starting where Taiwan started 25 years ago. Many more technologies have been developed that enable new approaches to the problems. The pioneers were always much slower than the ones that follow. Making any kinds of predictions like you did in the 21st century is dangerous. China has just proven that with the new phone from Huawei. Yes, it’s still not on par, but it’s way more advanced than anybody had expected.
@@spodula There are some things, only partially unrelated about that chip manufacturing: TSMC is mostly Taiwan based, but also is in China. So that is why USA fear China taking back Taiwan. And that is the reason USA invests a lot of money to bring back chip manufacturing.
ASML (lithography) is the hands down leader in this market. That's why US (don't know what company) bought about 50% of them (and part of Zeiss, responsible for the optics), only to start threatening China to shut down their ASML machinery remotely and/or deny service/lock features. This only provokes utter efforts for China (and Russia) to invest in their own lithography.
Let's wait and see when the ASMLs are hacked and shut down by other powers ... Half of a year later, they can only admire empty wavers.
@@Redfvvgnews about factory that exploded
ИВЭП27 - this is multichannel lowpower DC-DC converter on 5W
Russia has the best technology!!!!!
Yeh, we never see their technology failing.😂😂
@@zokieboi Russia rules the world!!!
russia is fascists!
This is most probably EMP-hardened... As is the mechanical diesel vehicle carrying them!
This is TTL logic, controlled by current. Higher current values are less affected by interference. He considers all this for too long and speaks with some kind of harsh French accent (nothing is clear). For a rocket this is a necessary and sufficient condition. Diode assemblies, secondary voltage converters. A fairly primitive circuit for the “AND-NOT” element to perform pre-programmed functions. But for a rocket this is quite enough. Apparently a block for executing defense commands (shooting heat traps or some kind of maneuver with a return). Nothing special. The main thing is that it is reliable like an AK-47
@@МихаилСабанцев-б9ц Yes, hence my reference to mechanical diesel engines, which most Russian machinery is powered by.
@@МихаилСабанцев-б9ц is no super computer just built to do what it does
@@МихаилСабанцев-б9ц "speaks with some kind of harsh French accent", newsflash: There are people who don't speak English as their first language
This channel is a pure gold mine.
Literally 😂
9:30 It's 1002ХЛ1, very old UART similar to CDP6402
Yes
I wonder why they'd want UART, it's kind of a crappy protocol
@@henria.277 debugging or setting?
@@diagtula Maybe they transfer the guidance algorithm to SRAM over UART so it is not stored in flash/rom and can't be dumped. It is common practice but I don't think it's usually done over UART.
@@henria.277 why not. couple kb of data can be transfered in second
Von der Liar: "Russians are taking out semiconductors from washing machines for military hardware". And the marmot, it puts the chocolate in the alu-foil ...
The green resistors, maybe?
They do, just not in this particular example.
@@drkastenbrot Still it is deliberately misleading I think. Using chips that you could also find in a washing machine, sure. Importing said chips, claiming they will be used to make washing machines, likely. Removing chips from washing machines for re-use, very unlikely imho...
@@drkastenbrot Do you know something about microcontrollers?? Do you think it is possible to take a washing machine microcontroller, programmed to do washing cycles and put it into a guided missile to proccess satellite signals??? Really??
@@carlosbanosoliva4226 yes, yes and yes. you just get the correct programming adapter (often jtag) and reprogram them. the vast majority of microcontrollers are reprogrammable.
The unpopulated pads on the back are for the XL Deluxe edition 😂
Premium production manufactured to target decision making centres of western criminals.
You obviously have no idea what a DNP is, do you? I have plenty on the board that I am working on.
@@pb48711 I was making a joke but I'm really happy for you and the boards you're working on.
Спасибо иностранцам за обзор нашего , отечественного продукта микроэлектроники , на Российских каналах такого не посмотришь ... хороший обзор ...
564 и 1564 серии микросхем это импортные аналоги CD64xx CMOS. Микроконтроллеры скорее всего из этой же серии малопотребляющие. Быстродействие тут не очень важно. Важно логика работы схемы.
Всего один камень убил динозавров и изменил климат на планете , а тут их целая куча .
хах огонь! как хорошо сказанул то
Для надёжности видимо
For a death species, they taste very good, when KFC is serving them🤣😊
These are domestic russian chips, wich are harder then german gayopard 2 and gaypard AA spg
Мне нравится наши производители, максимально использующие кириллицу при том те буквы, которые не встречаются в латинице ) Это ещё больше усложняет идентификацию для иностранцев )
Мне кажется, если бы там нанесли еврит или фарси - это запутало бы всех максимально 😁 А есть такая плата с кириллицей, то понять, кто её произвёл не сложно 😉
@@Sa300dvideo да надо просто прописью aka russian cursive писать и привет
если им надо бует, они наймут человека, знающего русский, так что смысла шифроваться в этом никакого
Ага, распознавания текста в смартфоне не существует.
кирилица внушает священный трепет особенно буквы Щ и Ц Ъ это известно еще из старых американских фильмов
An excellent specimen for your collection. You can make a museum of all stuff you have!
The last time I was in a technical museum, I actually saw stuff I have myself ( vintage pacemakers) 😅
@@msylvain59 hope you are lucky and recived Betavoltaic peacemaker. My friend recived with lithium battery and had to change it because battery drained .
Best wishes.
I didn't know I can understand French
It’s not French. It’s English with an accent
@@BGTech1it was a joke..
@@humble2246 looks that French is not so good at jokes XD
Без МГТФ ни одна военная плата не обходится )) проще узаконить перемычку, чем пройти все круги ада снова, исправляя КД )
Can you please explain in english?
@@helmutabou-chaker7365 I dont speak russian bt sure that He says its cheaper to add a bodge wire than recertifying the whole circuit board.
@@helmutabou-chaker7365hi speaks ebout connection kabels , its covered with teflon or something like this, i have ol soviet this types of cabels 2 kg 😂
@@helmutabou-chaker7365 No military board can do without MGTF wires )) it is easier to add a jumper than to go through all the circles of hell again, correcting the design documentation ) old weapons joke. It's very interesting to see how our schematics are solved )
Это провод МС, МГТФ полупрозрачный.
Why is it bad they didn't spend tons of money for developing new circuit boards for an old weapon?
For we are happy only. And we have not any pity to any country about us. You understanding us for sure.
It is not, if it works don't change it
It is not bad
Very nice I was watching some of this seller's stuff on eBay but I was worried about importing into the uk 😅 you got a good price on this board, definitely the best one he had 👍🏻
Доставка бесплатная. Не облагается налогами.
What for ?
it has microvia High Density PCB , it is not cheap PCB. quite expensive parts too.
i think vias are under the components and it's not microvias. you can see it on unpopulated components which take viewable the vias
@@Jesutekyou can see from some via that are plated, it has also through hole via , I have done such layout under 30 years so I know it 😂😂
@@paulpaulzadeh6172 i'm layout designer too 😂 maybe you are right. I searched the whole video but couldn't find any trace of microvias. It doesn't matter. Respect from France my layout Friend ✌️
@@paulpaulzadeh6172 It's a great board that we have here in any case. Gorgeous
@@JesutekOne of key to notice is that when you use microvia pcb , component placement get much easier and placement of each parts can be in like chess board . Through hole penetrate and allocates on all layer and also you need clearance to other nets.
This is art how you plane your pcb layout, hat off for russian engineer who made it. 😮😊
are those chips from the toaster, microwave, washing machine, or a dishwasher? and what model exactly?
from a space toilet!
Merry Christmas Russia, may you prevail in 2024
Many commentators do not understand that “quality” in their understanding (i.e. with 3nm chips) is expensive
And when something is excessively expensive for the purpose, then it is not enough
And then “quantity” turns into quality, in other words, “quality, but expensive and of which there is little” is low-quality. Without quotes
The weapon must be as effective as possible per unit of cost (money, labor, resources in general).
Many commentators simply live in their bubble magic wonderland of NATO electronics th-cam.com/video/dGOe7NvuK5E/w-d-xo.html
But these are not microcircuits from washing machines and microwaves)))
And they are not available on AliExpress too 🤔
And also is not a flying shovel😂
West had shown its real, hegemonic face. All the educated,logical and informed people know who is winning in that conflict...and for sure it isnt Marvels universe "heroes"😂
Hegemon needs to see that the world is not just his for the taking, and this electronics is a show of that. Hegemon is dying and we all must prepare for his agonizing death, dont let us be dragged to a hole rogether with it. Age of hegemony is over. It was enough. No more.
@@trolslovenski Germany in WW2 blamed the West too. We all know how that particular gaslighting and projection ended, and russias will be no different.
@@trolslovenski губами
@@trolslovenski Dont be so proud russian colonial fascist. This chips are soviet copies of 1970s western chips produces in mostly belarus and some in russia. Maybe 8-bit Nintendo level. Compare this guidance system size to a much smaller Himars guidance kit.
Although I agree some western war coverage is way over the top claiming russians are clumsy cavemen that dont know what they are doing. I would say russians are smart proud colonial war criminals.
Look for technical data of the integrated circuits used. Many of the components used can be found in publicly available catalogues. This is a museum of technology!!!!
hmm, you probably don't need all that gold if you not gonna store those rockets for too long. Could those chips be silicon on saphire type? Our electronics teacher once told us that military uses those type of chips to make them more resilient to radiation.
Chips for a space is on saphire or on silicon with "big nanometres"
Looks to be conformally coated, so corrosion resistance probably isn't the reason. Unless it's some sort of redundancy. Very interesting it's just about every component.
@@MattExzy Покрытие золотом для того, чтобы пайка не разрушалась
It's simple basic silicon from '70
1537ХМ2 is ASIC with 17600 35 MHz LEs. 1 LE is 2 CMOP transistors = 1 Or, Nor, And etc elements
Very cool. Too bad all that technology is designed to destroy.
Just remembered picture with text:"Don't ask a woman her age, a man his salary, a German company what they were doing between 1933 and 1945" :D
На этих технологиях собирают стиральные машины
Rocket - the dream of a man refining gold!
Да мечта, до тех пор пока ракета не упала вам в дом😢
@@tonyalexeev14 это уже к косоруким ппо вопрос
@@sergiovictor7581 нет это вопрос к тем кто эти ракеты запускал
@@tonyalexeev14 мож тогда это вопрос к тем, кто грозился сочинить свое атомное оружие против тех, кто запустил эти ракеты?
@@НикЕфремов-ц3г вы бредите?
Тема стиралок не раскрыта
Может дел мороз тебе когда нибудь подарит...
@@fuuuns а тебе 200-му не подарит
Some rework in black wire done before conformal coating.
БТИ - Блок Трансформаторов Импульсных, Block of impulse transformers. ОС - ОСобый, usually its a quality qualifier
Где там написано? Активная головка?
@@popovoleg70 what do you mean?
The author shows some components (under big ICs) and says he's not sure if it's a transformer or some logic. I know for a fact that БТИ is a marking of pulse transformers. Usually it's just for decoupling - nothing special.
@@oberguga radars is emitting impulses..
@@popovoleg70 I have no idea.
@@oberguga well..
I used to work in a military assembly many years ago and I know for a fact that these boards are not cheap. Not just because of the gold coated contacts but the ICs as well, plus the components used have very little tolerance. The boards have also to be coated with a specific resin to avoid problems at high altitudes. The modules I used to work with would cost around 20k€, at the time. And that was a specific module for the antenna of an aircraft. Having those on a missile just to be able to guide it, for something that is going to be destroyed, it's very expensive. Yet they launch hundreds of these every now and then. The Russians must be absolutely crazy and want to win that stupid war if they are willing to spend that much money on it.
We will not stand behind the price.
well, look at the javelin guidance, even more complex and expensive, also just to be destroyed
I wouldn't call them 'absolutely crazy'. These are weapons and they are manufactured to be used. If somebody is crazy it's Neocons who created this mess in the first place. War pigs.
Я открою тебе секрет, нам вобще плевать на деньги🤷
@@mask-u5vкому «нам»?
Не ты этим деньгами распоряжаешься
1/3 российского бюджета в 2024 уйдёт на «оборону» за счет сокращения остальных статей как образование/культура и тд, а ты и дальше радуйся, бестолочь
Интересный ролик. Ничего подобного не видел с 2005 года. Всё с ВП.
дата на логике намекает что сделали их чуть ли во время сво.
ничего уникального нет, но ведь это было реально секретно пока не начали применять.
мелькали только единичные фотки в блогах инженеров.
вообще подобные блоки не выбрасывают, они сразу идут на переработку, так что видеть их простому народу негде
думаю должна быть еще одна плата - с мозгами, как минимум.
@@TheKelikatв мире интернета теперь таких штук всплывет миллион
All best - special for little brothers. From Russia with love!
So that's what they are, control units of the Russian washing machine (we're talking about a denazification war machine wiping out the face of the earth). Так вот они какие, блоки управления русской стиральной машиной (речь про стирающую с лица земли денацификационную военную машину)
Great video. Absolutely Great!
Nice to see this cool piece of tech, but the sad part is the price of it probably several human lives.
Yes, only Western weapons shed love and peace...
Wonderful. I always wanted an open source missile guidance computer.
PS: would be cool if you managed to dump the rom.
There is no CPU, thus, likely - no ROM. All logic is hardcoded by gates inside those 3 ULAs
@@sevinnexrelim5058 The Soviets knew about Forth processors which can be done in relatively small FPGAs or custom chips using 4000+ gates (16bit CPU w. 2 stacks and simple ALU).
Forth is a stack-based programming language with extremely small ressource requirements.
this will not work, these FPGAs are programmed at the production stage, by applying the final matrix to the crystal
@@vhs9040 Forth-CPU in FPGA has been done and works. Program is in separate EEPROM as well. as a little RAM.
I dont belive you Western ppl Unserstand this, IS fastest system in minimal config ITS Not Like your Western starbugs Coffee in Google Weed headquator useless App Programming. WE dont find even good simens sps Programming Guys ITS a fail tolerance redundand masterpiece
That is Sovietpunk - golden chips with golden price, small series, no civilian applications
I used 1537 (that 3 big ASICs on board) back in 2009 for the most civilian purposes as possibly - developed equipment for milk factory! 😂
We had boxes full of them and used everywhere. They left from canceled project of chemical plant for India (as I know, not sure, it was before I came into company), Indian company bankrupted (it was times of financial crisis) and project stopped, while thousands of chips left.
@@juliap.5375 so you get them by chance - indian factory bankrupted. If would not - no chips. Someone can solder off it from missile board and tell that they avaiable. I am HAM radio designer, build sw receivers. And use no my own russian components because this can be get by chance. As for CPU and FPGAs trey also need specual soft and programmers. That's serious butthurt to search it for this punk golden chips. Thats my opinion about it as HAM designer
Looks like a normal mil-spec PCB. Shit will survive an armageddon. Well, I guess it did.
badum-tss 🙂
Thank you this is all very interesting, excellent delivery too. Can you actually read those Russian specifications or how do you translate? I guess google is sufficient for technical parts? Can you give an idea, how much was this part? Also, I am new to your channel so haven't looked yet, but is it possible to connect some of these boards up to FPGA or something to find more about the firmware aspect? I am just a hobbyist, sorry if I am displaying obvious ignorance. This kind of thing has always been my interest, all my life I have taken things apart, and struggled to get them working again, but I guess that's how to learn. Thanks again for sharing, I didn't even think sourcing the parts was possible, let alone reverse engineering. I might have a new hobby. Excellent!
Вот оказывается куда попала моя стиралка после продажи цыганам.
Тут вроде толи большинство, толи все чипы Российские
@@ИлларионРакин это сарказм
@@Xenotester да я так) по приколу больше написал. Сам просто был несколько удивлен.
@@ИлларионРакин да я понимаю (но некоторые после гуглопереводчика могут и не понять, это скорее для них).
А платы из стиральных машин еле-еле гарантию пережить могут, какие тут ракеты
we are told that Russia has to use washing machine parts, not bad for washing machine parts.
Да херня, в каждой стиральной машинке такая требуха, в самсунгах для торнадо, в аристонах для искандеров, если найти бош то это удача - можно ярс собрать 😂😂😂
смешно, да не очень, нам бы своё сделать для начала
I'm not an electrical engineer, so feel free to correct me, but:
That's a surprising amount of logic gates chips. You would think their logic could fit in one of those gate arrays, but I guess they are either too small (gate count) or preprogrammed with some common logic (not custom made for one product)
No ASICs, maybe it makes sense for non mass-produced thing
Quite a lot of bodge wires, creates expectations for quality unless it is one of the first units for testing
Wondering what's the deal with boards glued together, would be nice to see ho many layers it has
In any industry with limited or no competition don't expect competency, especially when it's linked to government.
its 1980 logic chip on a level of 8-bit nintendo. Of Course you need loads of them.
80's inheritance, a lot of glue logic, old chips, old design, low grade assembly, a lot of bulges. Totally different from what you will find in France or US defense systems.
This is TTL logic, controlled by current. Higher current values are less affected by interference. He considers all this for too long and speaks with some kind of harsh French accent (nothing is clear). For a rocket this is a necessary and sufficient condition. Diode assemblies, secondary voltage converters. A fairly primitive circuit for the “AND-NOT” element to perform pre-programmed functions. But for a rocket this is quite enough. Apparently a block for executing defense commands (shooting heat traps or some kind of maneuver with a return). Nothing special. The main thing is that it is reliable like an AK-47
Анекдот: У моей бабушки в Берлине было три унитаза: золотой, серебряный и фаянсовый. Но когда РУССКИЕ вошли в Берлин в 45, то она обосралась в коридоре😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Браво.
neat, I like it and note, not China, the names of the microcircuits have not been erased.
I thought that Ursula von der Leyen said that Russia is using the chips from “washer machine” to guide their rockets
She's a typical EU bureaucrat, nothing interesting.
Ничего себе сколько золота мы экспортируем в Украину!
Репарации, сэр.
Надо больше золота по центрам принятия решений
Я хотел найти видео ролик о ремонте стиральных машин но youtube выдал мне вот это. Что мне с этим делать?
Попробуй из своей стиралки сделать ракету и долететь до Марса, тем самым доказать Илону маску , кто на свете супер нация!
посмотри и сядь на бутылку
Older lady from Germany saying false, Russia made your IC. It is not washing machine.
Для ракет которые летят очень точно, этой логики достаточно!
И она ОЧЕНЬ надежная!!!
@@ЙожикПотап Не ссы, точно попадает в эпицентр!
@@ЙожикПотап А можно узнать где вы взяли такую информацию, вот пентагон почему то так не считает( Видимо они хуже образованны чем украинцы?
@@VovikPomidorov пруфы про пентагон, иначе это просто очевидно-неочевидный треп
@@ЙожикПотап расскажи это украинцам которые скулят в затопленом метро. как неточно летят плохие русские ракеты.
@@asterklaster7575радуетесь страданиям гражданских людей?
Так, я не понял, это от унитаза, или от стиралки?!
Это от блока ускоренной перемотки моего держателя туалетной бумаги.
@@ЗоБад эту машину я помню.
@@ЗоБад =))))
он же сказал, что плата из кондиционера. а детальки на плате из стиралок надёрганы
They used to make only one missile out of 1000 washing machines, but technology is evolving rapidly, now it's 1000 missiles out of one washing machine per hour.
Блять, ну если религия не разрешает постричь когти, то хотя бы отгрызи их, ну взрослый же человек!
там так норм.
толерантность.
в китае кстати тоже.
и у руских програмистов тоже в латвии с волосами
@@TheKelikat Это рандомный набор слов?
Это французкий маникюр. 😂😂😂
@@78RSIслучайный
Is it made from russian components?
The diamond does not mean military acceptance, but a component with increased responsibility, which are subject to increased requirements in terms of compliance with technology and reliability.
timestamp in video?
Cool component for western fashizm
Gold and silver there is against vampires and zombie, look how mr. Zelenski afraid of it!
микросхемы почти новые, сделаны недавно.
Не факт. Я покупал советские микросхемы новые в упаковках еще лет 5 назад. Там была 500 и 1500 серии. Так вот где я их покупал был целый склад с тоннами этих микросхем
@@zbufferasat непонятно, при чем здесь где и что ты там когда-то покупал, если на микросхемах указан месяц и год выпуска
@@zbufferasat На них дата 2022, 2023 год. Вряд ли их будут перемаркировывать, проще новые сделать.
@@zbufferasatфакт их делает сейчас Ангстрем
@@Airaleais логика 1564 на этой плате павлового-посадского производства, 1002 серия - Новосибирск
You find the legendary russian gold!!!
А теперь расскажите какие конкретно микросхемы взяты из ваших стиральных машинок!
еслиб в 80 годы были такие микросхемы, там бы стиралки были круче чем сейчас.
но тогда такие микросхемы стоили слишком дохрена даже с учётом что стиралки тогда стоили в 5 раз дороже чем сейчас.
тогда бы они реально как ракеты стоили
@@TheKelikat Это был сарказм. Эти микросхемы военного назначения, они сильно отличаются об барахла из бытовой техники
@@denvvv187 Глупые украинцы этого не понимают. Но забавно, что украинцы верят во множество глупостей.
@@denvvv187, это тупая плата контроллера полёта, выполненная на совдеповской элементной базе и бмк, так что это технологии обезьян в 21м веке по факту. Расскажи мне знаток лучше про элементную базу аппаратуры рэб и гсн
@@apdgslfhsodbna Это НЕ тупая плата контроллера полета, знатоки хреновы. Это UART с обвязкой. Мамкины знатоки элементной базы авионики тут собрались однако. Давно обезьяны делают рад стойкие микросхемы в керамике? Вы, надеюсь, не с ширпотребом сравниваете, а то проблемы COTS в F35 до сих пор вылазят. Самоуверенная некомпетентность или некомпетентная самоуверенность, как правильно?
I fix vintage computers and arcade machines as a hobby. These use lots of standard logic ICs. Imagine reusing some of those to fix a pinball or arcade machine!
With this pronunciation I think msylvain59 went to school with Commandant Cousteau and had the same english teacher !
You should hear me....I sound like Klaus Schwab
Очень надежно, не боится излучения.
Такая низкая степень интеграции очень ненадежна. Тем более что такая древняя металокерамическая корпусировка кристаллов подвержена температурным расширениям и приводит к отрыву электродов между кристаллом и ножкой корпуса. Это ископаемое гoвнo. И излучение тут совешенно непричем. Хорошо держит изучение схемы на сапфировых подложках. А тут обычное совкове старье, хорошее лишь тем, что оттуда можно наковырять много золота. Да и степень интеграции как у китайского MP3 плеера за 300 рублей, если не хуже. Каменный век.
и вся синхра плывет по частоте если рядом рядом ладошкой провести
Брехня, это от стиральной машинки Вятка.
Da, da - this PCB comes from a washing machine. Your disinformation system is from the same period as the PCB technology.
@@roadster241 This is not my information, as the Western media claim. There has been no electronics in Russia for a long time. We take apart washing machines to make rockets.
Нет там таких элементов
Там достаточно одной микросхемы spi flech
Здесь куда важнее программное обеспечение,есть такая наука автоматика,карты вейча и тд,а для этого нужны хорошие мозги,не заплывшие жиром
Шикарная платка❤
Для неучей в ракетах происходят большие перегрузки и там не приминимы совсем современные техпроцессы а свою эфективность все это показала в бою
Им этого не понять :) коллега.
9 (?) лет школы, однако, своей эффективности пока не показали, хотя даже в импульсивных комментариях простые и понятные правила русского языка вполне применимы...
@@hedgehogsch.7270 не можешь привести доводы доебись до орфографии и пунктуации(специально для тебя без знаков препинания)
"Крупнокалиберный переполох" только наоборот.
Не похоже на стиралку. Похоже на чипы из микроволновки или унитаза.
спасибо, с удовольствием посмотрел этот ролик. как любитель микроконтроллеров и вообще микросхем просто по-белому завидую вам как обладателю данной платы. вы не зря потратили 180 $.
хороший ход для продавца с украины, впарившему наивному французу плату от советской ракеты времен Харьковских КБ. Такая знаете ли - психологическая "пост-поддержка", мол ,чувак - ты купил лучшую вещь на e-bay, приходи еще и приводи друзей)))
@@VasiliyLomovoy я в Крыму живу! если для тебя Крым Украина жди в гости фсб. если бы у меня была такая плата, я бы её не продал т.к. электроника - моё хобби, но тебе это не понять.
@@denpar5450 когда ты, сидя в Крыжопое, звонишь от имени службы безопасности Сбербанка и тебе задают вопрос - "чей Крым", ты что отвечаешь? ))
Кстати, учти - за такие звонки тебе статья светит.
В чип и дипе цена на 1537ХМ2 до $100 доходит, а их 3 шт. Но это кастомный ASIC, цена с завода, да с военной приемкой, думаю, подороже будет.
Если бы чипы можно было переиспользовать, то просто по деталям вышел в плюс.
Но выглядят компоненты, конечно, красиво - это, вам, не унылые пластиковые dip/soic/sot23 корпуса.
там нет микроконтролеров.
это просто релейный блок
love the manually soldered wires
"Vitaly, I think we forgot something..."
11:35 - what do the geometric symbols mean? And I would love to see this reverse engineered just for fun
Военная приёмка. Military acceptance
Diamond is Military grade, Square - Industrial grade, Triangle - ESD sensitivity. ОС - special series, OCM small special series (usually high reliability and radiation endurance).
Reverse engineering was done and showed that this PCB is for Tetris.
English so bad that i've read subtitles instead.
Military grade pcb. You don’t need 3nm chips to guide a missile. The software is what makes the difference. In the eighties Russian SW was the best on the planet, because their hardware was lacking.
Now Russia can either get everything it needs from China or make it themselves. The decoupling from the empire has led to a greatly accelerated substitution program. Russia now transforms rapidly into an autarch full spectrum economy. Without the SMO this would not have been possible. Another 2 years and this transformation is completely irreversible.
The same transformation happens in China. Soon Taiwan has nothing more to offer that BRICS doesn’t have and better.
Even the most complex jet engines for civil wide body aircraft are now full made in Russia. Cars, Trains and now the pharma industry.
So while the empire still analyzes what Russia can make in terms of technology Russia is already two steps further ahead.
Russia started the autarchy program in 2012 not 2014 as some thought. In 2012 the MIR system was conceptualized.
Russia is 10 years ahead with its strategic development plan. The decoupling was inevitable, and Russia was patient with the Ukraine, exactly because it waited for the right time when a full decoupling would be executed and would trigger the accelerated transformation. Putin openly stated this on Feb 23 22: they will sanction us anyway no matter what we do”.
Russians using hardened TTL boards for guidance systems.
Not bad Vlad. Nice workaround for the high end use costs of rapid deployment.
Надеюсь его упекут за решетку, за нарушение санкций против РФ. он купил Российские микросхемы... и купил Российское оружие..
a crazy number of ICs on the board.
80года
Not really. It is a lot in terms of consumer electronics like television sets. But the norm for industrial and military tech.
It is a problem, everyone always looks at electronics as if it is a video game console. The requirements of those are very different to the overwhelming number of products.
Thanks to this video, I learned what washing machines look like inside😁
it's not cool that my country makes such things to kill other people instead of making something useful, but your video is cool and I really was missing that French accent as i haven't work with French colleagues for a long time. Was nice to hear it again.
Renounce your citizenship or STFU. Russia had the right to defend itself.