1 trowel for all my plasterwork over the past 15 years or so but been giving the sponge float and spats a try just to break up the same old same old and make my plastering days different I see nothing wrong with trying new methods
It's all well and good getting the perfect finnish. The reality of plastering is to cover large areas to a good/high standard. Perfectionist rarely make money. I'm plastering thirty years,. I'm not against all these new systems like spatula s plaziflex superflex etc but don't get too caught up in them, I think sometimes they can slow you down.
used my new 18inch sponge today..brilliant. i usually use a plazziflex for getting the lines out but used the spat today on a float and set..so easy and quick 👍
I've tried some of the spatulas I don't even bother with my trowel only for the edges and the fiddly bits but you could run plastic spatula over it at the end for a nice polish not too much though decorate or be on your back
This is the video I'm been looking for to learn... I needed to know what stage to do each stuff... also if you had to do a 2nd coat, after how long do you have to wait to put the 2nd coat on the 1st??? Is it OK to use the same batch for 2nd coat?
First coat needs to firm up before you second coat, if you can touch the plaster and it doesn’t stick to your finger then it’s ready for a second coat. Same mix is fine, you can wet it up if it’s gone off too much
Thanks for your advice Friday Darren! Have adjusted my timings slightly this morning on a big ceiling and looks lovely! Flat and matt... What more can you ask for?!!
I'm gonna give my 2 cents here. There's alot of criticism about this walk and I could do it better etc etc. But here's the truth of the matter. Ok the wall is DEFINITLEY not 18m2, and yes normally one guy would do it on his own, but if you really understand plastering, how it sets up, timings etc etc, you can get away (wrong word here) plaster in one coat. I worked in the states a few years ago, and they plaster the same way or, first coat, double back with the same batch and add a thin second coat and proceed as necessary. This whole argument of first coat, wait till firms up, flatten in then second coat blah blah blah, is how they teach you in college. In the REAL world where you need to produce VOLUME you'd never make any money. Remember here they also never did a dry trowel towards the end where that flattens even more, so I see nothing wrong here. Good job. Plastering is changing, gotta move with the times. The whole point of out trade is to find that perfect compromise between speed and productivity, with the least effort. Great job.
Nice finish. But i noticed you'd taped the edges up. Will this not ruin the corners once you remove the tape? Especially has the skim would have dried.
9 x 600mm full ceiling tiles and 2x 300mm cuts = 6m x a typical 2.4 m wall height gives you a14.4m2 area, would it be better for one guy to do this job on his own and the other guy do another.? Even done properly with two coats ,closed in and three trowels with clearing and packing up is only about 3/ 3 and a half hours for one man.
The tools would be usless for you buddy u need the Multi Finish plaster to be able to do this you cannot do it with the plaster that u sand in US its very different
This new trend for one coating and sponge floats! I swear a good plasterer using two coats is as quick or quicker with less working of the material. And the examples shown are always of flat walls, most skimming involves uneven backgrounds and adding more plaster around beads and linings. Traditional Irish plasterers could out perform anyone with any modern technique. Thanks.
Remember to make sure you get the plaster on at a minimum thickness of 3mm. it takes some practise to get it on to that thickness first time. So my advise would be to put your normal first coat on and then go over straight away with a second coat, that should give you the 3mm. Then slowly you will get used to putting it on thickness required.
This system only saves about 15-20 minutes per hit. Not a major time saver. The main benefit of this system is its a lot easier on the body, less stress on joints etc..
@@marks-0-0 you are very wrong sir its the costumer that does not want to pay a good price that has pushed this method on and lets be honest plastering is the hardest trade out there . I have been against this method for 11 years and have broken my back doing it the right way and for peanuts thinking my reputation will one day pay more , it was all bulshit . I have recently started this method and it saves a lot of time even thou i do it with 2 coats 1 after the other until i get the hang of it .
@@fef777777 you're right I've been plastering the same way for donkey's years and these new tools make it so much easier I ran a spatula of my work after two coats trowel it up with my flexi and I get a perfect finish now I'm starting to sponge float and it comes out even better with less effort
Don't get me wrong I've changed recently to using speed skim ox rules and 2 x coats always sponging after the second coat flatten with speed skim and using flexi trowels and when all said and done put a level on it when finished and that's what they aren't showing you ,you would be shocked high and lows all over and internals like skate ramps it isn't the be all and end all if you want it flat and I mean flat then you have to go back to basics because sponging and spats don't get it flat check your work at the end and you will see I'm right and rwo guys on this wall 18 sqm ?? Enough said
Nick Makris I use a 40 inch plastic refina called a plazi flex spatula. It's better than the steel as it holds its shape longer than the steel ones as the steel spatulas tend to warp after time. Also the plastic doesn't draw the water to the surface as much. It's also cheaper than the steel spats..
Excellent. The plastic spat your using its a bit stiffer and the blade is a bit thicker therefore holding its shape and for better flattening? (.4mm according to Beroxpert) They also make a thicker metal blade at .4mm as the super flex spat is .25mm, have ya used the .4mm in the steel.
sometimes.. but not necessary if you work the plaster when you are pulling with the spatula. if less experienced plaster then yes fill the tapered boards first
Plasterers using this sponge method will find themselves out of work soon because of the current trend of under floor heating and liquid screeds!too much water ends up on the floor, delaying the setting time of said screeds which can't be tiled until fully dry!builders don't like it, it slows down projects!crack on more work for me!I've replaced 3 Plasterers doing this for this reason alone
No you don’t have to sponge float imo but the sponge float is flat the trowel isn’t Ive been plastering since 1979 We used to float our 1 st coat of finish with plastic floats for 1 st class work It made a huge difference These new tools have really made the job easier I’ve been using speedskims since they came out , they’ve made a massive difference So much faster and flatter The plastic trowels flexible trowels all work great but you find yourself cleaning tools much more frequently and you carry a lot more kit All good though !!!!
Michael Burns once you get used to the system I find you can actually cover more square meters than traditional two coat. U can lay on the first 20m2 and quickly flatten with the spat, then lay on the second 20m2.. my limit was 50m2 in one hit. But these were large plasterboard walls which helped..
I assume you mean the one coat stuff I was using thirty five years ago on a job near Ipswich. we used sponge floats and feather edges to do the same thing.
What a complete waste of time , it’s like doing the job twice! 30 years plastering and never used a sponge and what the hell is the point of spaying water on it when you want it to go off . Just get it right first time , time it right and you should only have to wet the trowel once or twice.
No no no no....all that water and sponge marks. Sorry but just stick another coat on it fellas. Your saving time with the spatch anyway. You cant beat 2 coating. You can see the hollows when your flatening. Which you shouldnt get with the 2 coats if your any good. I can see you are good spreads but your cheating the customers of quality for me to save 20 mins and another bag or two of multi. Still more work for me to rectify eh....best wishes
I would love to have a closer look at it
1 trowel for all my plasterwork over the past 15 years or so but been giving the sponge float and spats a try just to break up the same old same old and make my plastering days different I see nothing wrong with trying new methods
I love your close up so you van actually see how it should look
I need to show you guys how to make a bucket scoop, out of a 5 gallon bucket... Great job guys Shalom
How?lol
It's all well and good getting the perfect finnish. The reality of plastering is to cover large areas to a good/high standard. Perfectionist rarely make money. I'm plastering thirty years,. I'm not against all these new systems like spatula s plaziflex superflex etc but don't get too caught up in them, I think sometimes they can slow you down.
Thanks for the video. Helps a DIY'er like me a lot.
No problem.
used my new 18inch sponge today..brilliant. i usually use a plazziflex for getting the lines out but used the spat today on a float and set..so easy and quick 👍
Dean Arnold 👍🏻
Really good job. I plaster EXACTLY the same way. Sponging is alot better.
I think people should master their job before putting out tutorials
great video guys....thanks
I've tried some of the spatulas I don't even bother with my trowel only for the edges and the fiddly bits but you could run plastic spatula over it at the end for a nice polish not too much though decorate or be on your back
If it's good enough to paint it's good enough to charge
This is the video I'm been looking for to learn... I needed to know what stage to do each stuff... also if you had to do a 2nd coat, after how long do you have to wait to put the 2nd coat on the 1st??? Is it OK to use the same batch for 2nd coat?
First coat needs to firm up before you second coat, if you can touch the plaster and it doesn’t stick to your finger then it’s ready for a second coat. Same mix is fine, you can wet it up if it’s gone off too much
Thanks for your advice Friday Darren! Have adjusted my timings slightly this morning on a big ceiling and looks lovely! Flat and matt... What more can you ask for?!!
I'll give it a go tomorrow
I'm gonna give my 2 cents here. There's alot of criticism about this walk and I could do it better etc etc. But here's the truth of the matter. Ok the wall is DEFINITLEY not 18m2, and yes normally one guy would do it on his own, but if you really understand plastering, how it sets up, timings etc etc, you can get away (wrong word here) plaster in one coat. I worked in the states a few years ago, and they plaster the same way or, first coat, double back with the same batch and add a thin second coat and proceed as necessary. This whole argument of first coat, wait till firms up, flatten in then second coat blah blah blah, is how they teach you in college. In the REAL world where you need to produce VOLUME you'd never make any money. Remember here they also never did a dry trowel towards the end where that flattens even more, so I see nothing wrong here. Good job. Plastering is changing, gotta move with the times. The whole point of out trade is to find that perfect compromise between speed and productivity, with the least effort. Great job.
Final trowel and you still have alot of glut on your trowel🤣🤣
dont need hardly any water when trowelling up.just clean tools that are lubricated with wet brush.look at the mess thats being made.
Go on the boys!
worked out well cheers
Nice finish. But i noticed you'd taped the edges up.
Will this not ruin the corners once you remove the tape? Especially has the skim would have dried.
`Masking tape was set 3mm away from the edge to allow for plaster depth.
Even if it wasn’t u just run a Stanley blade up it and it’s fine
Looks good
Nice job
I saw some blokes do this on a site i was on and the finish was so sexy. super flat, super smooth. best i've seen
Thomas Culshaw sexy. Don't be saying that about men plastering that's gay that mate.
@@hoolieye7131 nothing wrong with gay
This is great if you're doing your own labouring and you're no spring chicken any more :)
I always put 2 coats on never ever put a single coat on
I'm sure British gypsum recommend board finish over better contact as it's a low suction background or have I got that wrong?
board finish use for boards / plasterboard only
@@eduardfaur6281not true, it literally states on the back of the bag that you can put it on all surfaces
9 x 600mm full ceiling tiles and 2x 300mm cuts = 6m x a typical 2.4 m wall height gives you a14.4m2 area, would it be better for one guy to do this job on his own and the other guy do another.? Even done properly with two coats ,closed in and three trowels with clearing and packing up is only about 3/ 3 and a half hours for one man.
working alone sucks mate 2 people work goes a lot better even if it a smaller job
Was thinking that myself thats not an 18m2 wall lol
You sad man
Afternoon..are you using much pressure when you're flattening with the spat? Cheers
Hello im a white finsh plasterer..ive never done this system you're doing ..its cool. How can i get refina trowels in the 🇺🇸?
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The tools would be usless for you buddy u need the Multi Finish plaster to be able to do this you cannot do it with the plaster that u sand in US its very different
What are all those trowels for?
Tidy job.
All I got to say is make sure you put it on nice and thick otherwise you ain't gonna get a good finish.
tried your method chaps put a good coat on then quick speedskim then did what you said
Michael Burns how did it go?
which trowel did you use for the initial laying on?
Here we used a refina trowel, standard 16/14 inch stainless steel trowel. It doesn't matter which trowel you choose to lay on with
Any trowel is ok for laying on. I used here the refina finitex trowel
This new trend for one coating and sponge floats! I swear a good plasterer using two coats is as quick or quicker with less working of the material. And the examples shown are always of flat walls, most skimming involves uneven backgrounds and adding more plaster around beads and linings. Traditional Irish plasterers could out perform anyone with any modern technique. Thanks.
You had to fuck up a perfectly good point with the Irish plasterers bollocks .
Less tools to clean also which they never mention.
I agree so many comments on how to skim almost every wall , set is different whatever works and is most efficient then do always 2 coats tho 😂
May I know how long the spatula ?
Like to see this shit work banging a 50m gauge on over skim 😂
If thas 18M2 im the King of England. 12m2 at best. Also 2 guys on one wall? Come on. Second trowel looks a bit wet for me but hey. Nice job.
so it's quicker will give it a go tomorrow
Remember to make sure you get the plaster on at a minimum thickness of 3mm. it takes some practise to get it on to that thickness first time. So my advise would be to put your normal first coat on and then go over straight away with a second coat, that should give you the 3mm. Then slowly you will get used to putting it on thickness required.
One coating a gritted wall is ridiculous. The time you save is not much for the hassle of sponging, and I’m sure the finish isn’t great
And to say sponging is making a second coat is untrue, you’re just livening up the solitary coat and spreading the fat around
R u knocking time off your sets say compared to rwf 0067 way how long does a typical set last
This system only saves about 15-20 minutes per hit. Not a major time saver. The main benefit of this system is its a lot easier on the body, less stress on joints etc..
Each hit takes about 2 and half hours. This of course dependant on weather temperature etc..
That's a lot of faffing just to avoid mixing and applying a traditional second coat where the whole job can be done with one trowel.
Still not a fan of the sponge method - also a lot of expensive tools for a simple wall imo
Daniel is this modern trend because new spreads just don't have the skills anymore?
@@marks-0-0 you are very wrong sir its the costumer that does not want to pay a good price that has pushed this method on and lets be honest plastering is the hardest trade out there . I have been against this method for 11 years and have broken my back doing it the right way and for peanuts thinking my reputation will one day pay more , it was all bulshit . I have recently started this method and it saves a lot of time even thou i do it with 2 coats 1 after the other until i get the hang of it .
@@fef777777 you're right I've been plastering the same way for donkey's years and these new tools make it so much easier I ran a spatula of my work after two coats trowel it up with my flexi and I get a perfect finish now I'm starting to sponge float and it comes out even better with less effort
Expensive tools 😂 not exactly
Don't get me wrong I've changed recently to using speed skim ox rules and 2 x coats always sponging after the second coat flatten with speed skim and using flexi trowels and when all said and done put a level on it when finished and that's what they aren't showing you ,you would be shocked high and lows all over and internals like skate ramps it isn't the be all and end all if you want it flat and I mean flat then you have to go back to basics because sponging and spats don't get it flat check your work at the end and you will see I'm right and rwo guys on this wall 18 sqm ?? Enough said
You guys using the 40 inch plastic refina rule to straighten or is it steel super flex rule
Nick Makris I use a 40 inch plastic refina called a plazi flex spatula. It's better than the steel as it holds its shape longer than the steel ones as the steel spatulas tend to warp after time. Also the plastic doesn't draw the water to the surface as much. It's also cheaper than the steel spats..
Excellent. The plastic spat your using its a bit stiffer and the blade is a bit thicker therefore holding its shape and for better flattening? (.4mm according to Beroxpert) They also make a thicker metal blade at .4mm as the super flex spat is .25mm, have ya used the .4mm in the steel.
40 inch plastic retina rule. Its cheaper and keeps its shape a lot longer than the metal edge
which pregrit did u apply on the wall before skimming it???
did u use any PVA???
They're plasterer's, as if they would get that part wrong
no need for pva with the green or blue grit
Do you PVA the wall first?
It was already done with thistle bond it that's why the wall was green before they skimmed it
hey..do you fill tapes out on plasterboard first using this method. cheers
You can do. Will definitely help until you get more used to this technique
sometimes.. but not necessary if you work the plaster when you are pulling with the spatula. if less experienced plaster then yes fill the tapered boards first
What kind of gypsum do you use? In holland we use white gypsum but this looks like klay
Its thistle multi finish were using in the video
British.
A pain breaking in a new sponge..can get messy!!
Plasterers using this sponge method will find themselves out of work soon because of the current trend of under floor heating and liquid screeds!too much water ends up on the floor, delaying the setting time of said screeds which can't be tiled until fully dry!builders don't like it, it slows down projects!crack on more work for me!I've replaced 3 Plasterers doing this for this reason alone
Two guys on a wall 😂😂
I skim that wall quicker in slow motion on my own ffs
Robert Carroll and with two coats probably... 😂
That spongeing is a waste of time,just one more step u dont need to do,who the @#$ came up with that
It’s a consistent method for a nice finish. Experienced plasterers don’t really need it unless there walls going off on them.
No you don’t have to sponge float imo but the sponge float is flat the trowel isn’t
Ive been plastering since 1979
We used to float our 1 st coat of finish with plastic floats for 1 st class work
It made a huge difference
These new tools have really made the job easier
I’ve been using speedskims since they came out , they’ve made a massive difference
So much faster and flatter
The plastic trowels flexible trowels all work great but you find yourself cleaning tools much more frequently and you carry a lot more kit
All good though !!!!
Can get you into a whole lot of trouble if you don’t know exactly what u r doing.
Never one cost always two
also...do you find it flattens better with a bigger sponge or is that just for speed
Yes i prefer the 18 inch sponge, like you said it flattens a wider area, and helps with speed as a result..
doesn't really matter which sponge, but we use the bigger one here as it is quicker when theres a lot to do
Step 7- shave arms !
All those flexi trowels and speed skims... This will look awful in a room with lots of natural light.
in a room with lots of natural light and shining at a 45 degree angle on a wall or ceiling any wall looks shit no mater how good you think you done it
how's that method work out for one man doing a 40 square metre gauge I found one coating can be a problem on bigger gauges.
Michael Burns once you get used to the system I find you can actually cover more square meters than traditional two coat. U can lay on the first 20m2 and quickly flatten with the spat, then lay on the second 20m2.. my limit was 50m2 in one hit. But these were large plasterboard walls which helped..
@@london-plasterercomGREAT WORK LADS.
Only one problem , this system of working is for white gypsum , was plastering this way 20 years ago in Germany ! Doesn't work with British gypsum.
I assume you mean the one coat stuff I was using thirty five years ago on a job near Ipswich. we used sponge floats and feather edges to do the same thing.
My little sister can skim she 12
What a complete waste of time , it’s like doing the job twice! 30 years plastering and never used a sponge and what the hell is the point of spaying water on it when you want it to go off . Just get it right first time , time it right and you should only have to wet the trowel once or twice.
No no no no....all that water and sponge marks. Sorry but just stick another coat on it fellas. Your saving time with the spatch anyway. You cant beat 2 coating. You can see the hollows when your flatening. Which you shouldnt get with the 2 coats if your any good. I can see you are good spreads but your cheating the customers of quality for me to save 20 mins and another bag or two of multi. Still more work for me to rectify eh....best wishes
That finish is terrible....definitely needs another rub
They look like bodgers to me
One coat.the only tools you didn't show is the hoarse you road in on.
Come on lads .one coat is for cowboys especially on a re-skim.
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Shit finish
Rough af bucket is stinking so is the finish