What a fantastic video. Hits the correct technical detail while explaining methodically, isn't afraid to give tips about better 3rd party solutions, and at no point did I think "why is he explaining the obvious" (some videos on here start out explaining how frame rates work I mean come on). In one video I learned why I get such bad results from Slog, how to correctly set up and expose with my FS5 including explaining base ISO (I use gain so glad Alister covered this), and how to integrate the Atomos with my particular camera system. I found the explanation of how raw outside the camera works completely enlightening. I've always steered clear of raw for fear of unnecessary file sizes so now I stand totally corrected. That comparison of skin tones and compression waveforms vs raw - mind blowing. Thank you so much - heading over to the academy for further learning!!!
Dear Alister, thank you for the great video as always. Will you at some point do a video on the A7sIII Raw capabilities? I wonder how good 12 bit Log Raw will be coming out from the HDMI port (vs SDI). Also, 12 bit log raw should give more information in the lower stops of the camera. Would the A7sIII have at least a stop of more usable dynamic Range in the shadows? Guessing it should but much more looking forward to info from you on this! Kind greetings and have a great week ahead!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Just what I’ve been looking for. A tutorial with my planned setup and what my trying to achieve. I’m still waiting for the cash for the Shogun 7 and already have the FS5ii. I can now closely follow all your setup instructions and Codec advice.
Great. I was told by atomos that prores raw was not ready for the fx9 yet, which I was attempting to use. I look forward to its implementation. Thanks Alister for you insight on this subject.
Alister awesome as always, learnt so much from him. Would love to see Atomos bring out a Ninja V SDI version for raw if possible, a 7" Shogun Inferno is bigger than my Fs5! (too top heavy, lose the small form factor etc.) Don't need switching just a smaller recorder : )
100% agree!! I'm even looking at the BM 12G 5" for just this reason. The Ninja V now has an SDI add-on but still can't record 4k Prores raw 60p. It really is just the form factor stopping from getting one, although the D-tap solution in this video hugely reduces weight and is absolute genius.
so so great tutorial and I was looking for all the info about PreRes RAW - Sir Allister the best as ussual.. Really awaiting for a postproduction tutorila. Thank You!!
I just recorded ProResRAW with my Nikon Z6 and Atomos Ninja V recorder. 1 minute is 6GB. 30 minutes would then be 180 GB. I feel that is quite large files, but perhaps I'm mistaken?
I run this exact setup and its great for me, hopefully now better that you told me about PP7, I have been using PP10 because I thought it would be the only PP to provide HDR. I'm super excited to give it a go on PP7. Thanks everyone.
Alistair why is line skipped RAW output considered acceptable on the Sony A1? The aliasing artefacts around horizontal and vertical lines makes this non-usable. Suggest you check it out yourself and report back.
Atomos is great, we just waiting for a new Sony FS5 model with a proper hybrid AF and better low light performance. Love working with Atomos monitors/recorders.
Hi - Thanks so much for presenting this tutorial, it’s really helpful --you are a great teacher. I am a beginner filmmaker - my preferred camera is Sonys. For the past year, I have been shooting with the Sony PXW Z90. It’s a great camera, but because it a fixed lens it does not allow very much dept of field. I took the leap and recently purchased the Sony FS Mark ll which allows me the freedom to use an interchangeable lens. I understand that the Sony FS is similar to the Mark ll but there are a few additional add-ons to the Mark ll. Could you please be kind enough to do a full editorial on how to use the Mark ll properly? I have spent days searching but have been unsuccessful finding and editorial that offers what I’m sure so many of us need. There are reviews but no “real editorial” from, beginning to end. I called Sony, only to be told (1) it a professional camera, I have to be placed on the call back list - just to speak with a support agent, which is not helpful because there’s so much to be learned. I’m sure it may be asking a lot - but I have run out of options. The world of beginners like me would love you so much!! Take care, stay safe!
Hi, thanks for the review, but in the review I did not see how you can record 4K RAW video using Atomos Shogun Inferno with HDMI. is it possible to do with HDMI cable, or it is only possible with an SDI cable?
Question. Why is the Ninja V recording time remaining indicator shows @ remaining for a 500GB SSD and yet it suppose to record up to 80+ minutes? I did noticed the record time remaining seems to be at a 3rd of real time recording since for every 3.5 minutes of actual recording, it only reduces the time remaining by 1 min on the ninja v. Any ideas how to fix this? Is there a setting on the ninja v I’m not aware of that needs to be changed to match the actual recording time? Thanks
So when the FS5 films in HD it has clear image zoom and digital zoom, but those features go away in 4K. Can you use these features when recording PRORES raw to Shogun?
Thanks a lot for sharing 👍 🙂 Now the big question is if PC users will have to go back to Premiere Pro and away from @blackmagicdesign DaVinci Resolve? They are very quiet and turns off all communication on both TH-cam and Facebook.
Hi Alister, thank you very much for the video! Though Atomos 12Bit Linear Raw is great we should still remember some of its limitations (while enjoying the benefits) regarding the lack of information in the shadows for 12BIT RAW. Correct?
Two links of you discussing the topic: www.xdcam-user.com/2017/08/the-pros-and-cons-of-12-bit-linear-raw-or-recording-raw-to-s-log/ & th-cam.com/video/2b9GfSdRNnE/w-d-xo.html
Anyone know what specific third-party batteries those are? I shoot a lot of boats and using V mounts gets really heavy on a long day but I don't want to use the Mickey Mouse batteries on the back of the Shogun because they last for about ten minutes.
Hi! I have an Fs5 Mark 1. Do you know where I can find the raw license to buy nowadays? It's unavailable in Brazil (my country), but I'm also trying to buy it in US and it seems to be discontinued as well. Please, please help me.
Also On the ATOMOS recorders what is the difference between ProRes HQ and ProRes RAW??? Which is better? What are the capabilities of each of those??? What does the color correction entail with each of those?
I’m getting insane noise levels in all parts of my image when recording ext raw to the ninja V from the A7Siii. I understand there is no noise reduction in RAW but this noise is insane, even at base ISO. What am I doing wrong?
hi my atomos v has a "not raw input" icon on the top left corner and don't allow me to record 4k raw with my fs5. I did unlock the raw feature on fs5. Can you help me?
Hello @Tianyu, Thank you for reaching out. The "not raw input" icon on your Ninja V indicates that the camera may not be set up to output a raw signal. To record in 4K raw with your FS5, please make sure to: Output a raw signal from your camera. Select the ProRes RAW codec on your Ninja V. Ensure you have the SDI module installed, as raw output with FS5 is possible through the SDI input. Activate the raw license for SDI raw in your Ninja V. Once you've checked and adjusted these settings, you should be able to record in 4K raw. If you continue to experience difficulties, please don't hesitate to contact us for further assistance. ATOMOS
@@joshuamartinstudios From what I can find out even with the SDI unit on the Ninja V it cannot take SDI prores raw. I really wish they would just allow it or create a 5 inch recorder that can, 7 inch is a bit unwiedly on the Fs5.
Hello sir, This is golam mostofa shimul I am from Bangladesh Dhaka, I have a Sony fs 5, but I can't raw recording because my camera is not installed RAW option, how can I I install it, Thanks,
Hello, I need your help. Maybe you know this. Where do you think I can find these discontinued SSD Handles for my boss? Maybe you know who would have them. The full name is: Convergent Design SSD Handle and Mounting Screw Pack for Odyssey7, 7Q, and 7Q+
Really wish Sony didn’t require the huge extension module for the FX9 just to get RAW output .. the FS5, EVA1, S1H, Canon c300 mkII all do it without an expensive and enormous add on module. Why make me go to another camera manufacturer that doesn’t require extra add on modules that are large and expensive (I know .. I keep saying that). The module for the FX9 has many things I won’t ever need .. just need the RAW output. The fact is most cameras enabling ProRes RAW do so without requiring bulky and expensive additional hardware (besides the Atomos recorder). Ok, enough of my rant. Great and thorough video though.
I can confirm that prores Raw can be edited in premiere pro on a windows machine! Finally, but you must install the beta version 14.2(I believe) or above...
Hello, I need your help. Maybe you know this. Where do you think I can find these discontinued SSD Handles for my boss? Maybe you know who would have them. The full name is: Convergent Design SSD Handle and Mounting Screw Pack for Odyssey7, 7Q, and 7Q+ (5-Pack)
Thank you Atomos for including Alister in your educational process. As always, thank you Alister for being a great teacher.
Alister Chapman... the man who tames the chaos in a world of camera misinformation.
You are absolutely right!!!!!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Alister is the MAN! Always such a great, reliable resource. Thank you!
one of the most informative videos about Prores Raw. Thanks for your education
Totally agree with Ben Corwin!!! Alister Chapman is a real expert you can trust! Thank you Mr. Chapman!!!
This is the best tutorial that I have seen on Sony ProRes RAW shooting. Thank you.
Thank you Atomos and Alister!
Our 2012 FS700 is still rocking today thanks to the RAW output and an Atomos Inferno!
What a fantastic video. Hits the correct technical detail while explaining methodically, isn't afraid to give tips about better 3rd party solutions, and at no point did I think "why is he explaining the obvious" (some videos on here start out explaining how frame rates work I mean come on). In one video I learned why I get such bad results from Slog, how to correctly set up and expose with my FS5 including explaining base ISO (I use gain so glad Alister covered this), and how to integrate the Atomos with my particular camera system. I found the explanation of how raw outside the camera works completely enlightening. I've always steered clear of raw for fear of unnecessary file sizes so now I stand totally corrected. That comparison of skin tones and compression waveforms vs raw - mind blowing. Thank you so much - heading over to the academy for further learning!!!
this guys is always a treasure
Excellent professional delivery and clear explanations of all the basics. Thanks.
Great to see people still using the FS5. Sometimes I feel all alone...
Bought mine yesterday, studying to see how to record with Atomos in ProResRAW!
Thank you Alister for a very clear and informative tutorial - absolutely excellent! Looking forward to applying it all.
This is an incredibly helpful video. Great information and super relevant. Looking forward to the production video soon! Thanks Alister (and Atomos)
Great as always. This was helpful to my Shogun 7 and Fs5 Mk2 workflow. Thank you Alister and Atomos.
Dear Alister, thank you for the great video as always. Will you at some point do a video on the A7sIII Raw capabilities? I wonder how good 12 bit Log Raw will be coming out from the HDMI port (vs SDI). Also, 12 bit log raw should give more information in the lower stops of the camera. Would the A7sIII have at least a stop of more usable dynamic Range in the shadows? Guessing it should but much more looking forward to info from you on this! Kind greetings and have a great week ahead!
Alister Chapman is a true wizard 🧙🏼♂️
I love the video, thank you soooo much. I will be working with Atomos for my GH5.
This video was great 🙏
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Just what I’ve been looking for. A tutorial with my planned setup and what my trying to achieve. I’m still waiting for the cash for the Shogun 7 and already have the FS5ii. I can now closely follow all your setup instructions and Codec advice.
great video Alister as always!
Thank you Alister. So accurate and so helpful always.
as always, so much great information from Alister...
Great teacher you are Alister.
Thank you Alister this was an excellent tutorial
An amazingly informative video!
Top man Alister!
Thanks for a very well thought out informative session Alister...more please
Great. I was told by atomos that prores raw was not ready for the fx9 yet, which I was attempting to use. I look forward to its implementation. Thanks Alister for you insight on this subject.
Is so nice to learn from Alister
Getting too much grain from shogun at low light. But internal recording looks great .Any idea what Im doing wrong?
Alister awesome as always, learnt so much from him. Would love to see Atomos bring out a Ninja V SDI version for raw if possible, a 7" Shogun Inferno is bigger than my Fs5! (too top heavy, lose the small form factor etc.) Don't need switching just a smaller recorder : )
100% agree!! I'm even looking at the BM 12G 5" for just this reason. The Ninja V now has an SDI add-on but still can't record 4k Prores raw 60p. It really is just the form factor stopping from getting one, although the D-tap solution in this video hugely reduces weight and is absolute genius.
so so great tutorial and I was looking for all the info about PreRes RAW - Sir Allister the best as ussual.. Really awaiting for a postproduction tutorila. Thank You!!
what if there were cameras that were designed only to output raw? would they be smaller and require less processing?
I would love to get this with the S1H.
I just recorded ProResRAW with my Nikon Z6 and Atomos Ninja V recorder. 1 minute is 6GB. 30 minutes would then be 180 GB. I feel that is quite large files, but perhaps I'm mistaken?
Thsnk you gor this video, I learn s lot from of it, specially st the end! 💥🙏🏾
Hi Nestor,
Thank you for watching. We are glad to hear that you enjoyed the video.
Cheers, Louis - Atomos
I run this exact setup and its great for me, hopefully now better that you told me about PP7, I have been using PP10 because I thought it would be the only PP to provide HDR. I'm super excited to give it a go on PP7. Thanks everyone.
Alistair why is line skipped RAW output considered acceptable on the Sony A1? The aliasing artefacts around horizontal and vertical lines makes this non-usable. Suggest you check it out yourself and report back.
Atomos is great, we just waiting for a new Sony FS5 model with a proper hybrid AF and better low light performance.
Love working with Atomos monitors/recorders.
Do anybody know what is the third party battery with D-Tap that Mr. Chapman is referring to? Thank you
Hi - Thanks so much for presenting this tutorial, it’s really helpful --you are a great teacher. I am a beginner filmmaker - my preferred camera is Sonys. For the past year, I have been shooting with the Sony PXW Z90. It’s a great camera, but because it a fixed lens it does not allow very much dept of field. I took the leap and recently purchased the Sony FS Mark ll which allows me the freedom to use an interchangeable lens. I understand that the Sony FS is similar to the Mark ll but there are a few additional add-ons to the Mark ll. Could you please be kind enough to do a full editorial on how to use the Mark ll properly? I have spent days searching but have been unsuccessful finding and editorial that offers what I’m sure so many of us need. There are reviews but no “real editorial” from, beginning to end. I called Sony, only to be told (1) it a professional camera, I have to be placed on the call back list - just to speak with a support agent, which is not helpful because there’s so much to be learned. I’m sure it may be asking a lot - but I have run out of options. The world of beginners like me would love you so much!! Take care, stay safe!
Can i ask ? when i use prores RAW the color profile is not flat, color profile slog 2 not working. Is it problem ?
Great Info
If using the atomos + Fs5 to record Prores HQ (not raw) is it still best practise to use Slog2 or in that case is Slog 3 the go to?
Thank you!
Great video!
Hi, thanks for the review, but in the review I did not see how you can record 4K RAW video using Atomos Shogun Inferno with HDMI. is it possible to do with HDMI cable, or it is only possible with an SDI cable?
Please raise a support ticket here: atomos.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new to further assist you with this.
Cheers, Atomos
Question. Why is the Ninja V recording time remaining indicator shows @ remaining for a 500GB SSD and yet it suppose to record up to 80+ minutes? I did noticed the record time remaining seems to be at a 3rd of real time recording since for every 3.5 minutes of actual recording, it only reduces the time remaining by 1 min on the ninja v. Any ideas how to fix this? Is there a setting on the ninja v I’m not aware of that needs to be changed to match the actual recording time? Thanks
Hi, can i use Atomos Shogun and FS5 or just the inferno? thanks
So when the FS5 films in HD it has clear image zoom and digital zoom, but those features go away in 4K. Can you use these features when recording PRORES raw to Shogun?
Is the Shogun flame the same as the shogun 7?
yo, this guy is awesome!
Will it be possible to record the FX9 Raw signal on the Shogun Inferno?
Thanks a lot for sharing 👍 🙂 Now the big question is if PC users will have to go back to Premiere Pro and away from @blackmagicdesign DaVinci Resolve? They are very quiet and turns off all communication on both TH-cam and Facebook.
Any chance Atomos could add BlackMagic Raw BRaw to your recorders?
thank you!!!Very interesting info
Hi Alister, thank you very much for the video! Though Atomos 12Bit Linear Raw is great we should still remember some of its limitations (while enjoying the benefits) regarding the lack of information in the shadows for 12BIT RAW. Correct?
Two links of you discussing the topic: www.xdcam-user.com/2017/08/the-pros-and-cons-of-12-bit-linear-raw-or-recording-raw-to-s-log/ & th-cam.com/video/2b9GfSdRNnE/w-d-xo.html
Anyone know what specific third-party batteries those are? I shoot a lot of boats and using V mounts gets really heavy on a long day but I don't want to use the Mickey Mouse batteries on the back of the Shogun because they last for about ten minutes.
Hi! I have an Fs5 Mark 1. Do you know where I can find the raw license to buy nowadays? It's unavailable in Brazil (my country), but I'm also trying to buy it in US and it seems to be discontinued as well. Please, please help me.
Hi Matheus, Please raise a support ticket here: atomos.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new and we will look into this for you.
Cheers, Atomos
Also On the ATOMOS recorders what is the difference between ProRes HQ and ProRes RAW???
Which is better? What are the capabilities of each of those??? What does the color correction entail with each of those?
Been watching this video over and again with my FS5 and Shogun 7 set to S-Log 2 and I'm having problems with highlights blowing out.
Did you fix it? Set it to the mode he talks about in the end. Don't let highlights clip on your shogun monitor
I’m getting insane noise levels in all parts of my image when recording ext raw to the ninja V from the A7Siii. I understand there is no noise reduction in RAW but this noise is insane, even at base ISO. What am I doing wrong?
Bro this the reason I’m here have you found a fix for the issue there is nothing on this issue
turn on the light next time at night.
hi my atomos v has a "not raw input" icon on the top left corner and don't allow me to record 4k raw with my fs5. I did unlock the raw feature on fs5. Can you help me?
Hello @Tianyu,
Thank you for reaching out. The "not raw input" icon on your Ninja V indicates that the camera may not be set up to output a raw signal. To record in 4K raw with your FS5, please make sure to:
Output a raw signal from your camera.
Select the ProRes RAW codec on your Ninja V.
Ensure you have the SDI module installed, as raw output with FS5 is possible through the SDI input.
Activate the raw license for SDI raw in your Ninja V.
Once you've checked and adjusted these settings, you should be able to record in 4K raw.
If you continue to experience difficulties, please don't hesitate to contact us for further assistance.
ATOMOS
Can I use the Ninja V with the Sony Fs7 and record prores raw? What would I need to do that?
Sorry, no, the Ninja V is HDMI only and the Fs7 outputs the raw via SDI, you would need to get a Shogun inferno.
Stephen Bateman Not even with the SDI adapter for the Ninja v?
@@joshuamartinstudios You need the Sony XDCA Extension unit and an external recorder to record raw on the FS7
@@joshuamartinstudios From what I can find out even with the SDI unit on the Ninja V it cannot take SDI prores raw. I really wish they would just allow it or create a 5 inch recorder that can, 7 inch is a bit unwiedly on the Fs5.
Hello sir,
This is golam mostofa shimul
I am from Bangladesh Dhaka, I have a Sony fs 5, but I can't raw recording because my camera is not installed RAW option, how can I I install it,
Thanks,
That man is a legend. Just saying.
I have a question regarding Atomos V.
Will it be possible to record 12bits on a Sony fs5 or fs5mii using the AtomX SDI Module?
It will not.
Hello, I need your help. Maybe you know this. Where do you think I can find these discontinued SSD Handles for my boss? Maybe you know who would have them. The full name is: Convergent Design SSD Handle and Mounting Screw Pack for Odyssey7, 7Q, and 7Q+
Please submit a support ticket, and we will be able to help you
atomos.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Brilliant!!
Is ProRes Raw lossless or lossy?
No Adobe premiere Proress raw for Mac??
It’s compatible now
Really wish Sony didn’t require the huge extension module for the FX9 just to get RAW output .. the FS5, EVA1, S1H, Canon c300 mkII all do it without an expensive and enormous add on module. Why make me go to another camera manufacturer that doesn’t require extra add on modules that are large and expensive (I know .. I keep saying that). The module for the FX9 has many things I won’t ever need .. just need the RAW output. The fact is most cameras enabling ProRes RAW do so without requiring bulky and expensive additional hardware (besides the Atomos recorder). Ok, enough of my rant. Great and thorough video though.
Stupid Sony Lawsuit stopping 3rd party batteries with D-Tap!! So frustrating.... only option is to move to Mini VLock!
I can confirm that prores Raw can be edited in premiere pro on a windows machine! Finally, but you must install the beta version 14.2(I believe) or above...
Is the beta available for everybody?
Cause I would really love to use it..
If only there was a raw out from a C200....... Stay safe folks. BobUK
For any Premiere Pro windows users looking for the ProRes RAW beta its here: support.apple.com/kb/DL2033?locale=en_GB
Now please in German language 🙏🏼
Hello, I need your help. Maybe you know this. Where do you think I can find these discontinued SSD Handles for my boss? Maybe you know who would have them. The full name is: Convergent Design SSD Handle and Mounting Screw Pack for Odyssey7, 7Q, and 7Q+ (5-Pack)