Diagnosing a Starting Issue on a V-Star 1300
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Update: This fix held true until my battery was getting old. It showed the exact same symptoms of cranking but not starting. After diagnosing, I found out that the fuel pump would get enough voltage to prime, but while the starter was cranking, the fuel pump had insufficient voltage due to the consumption of the starter. You can easily test your battery for this issue by taking it down to your local auto parts store for a free battery load test or you can pick up the handheld load tester I have linked in the description of this video. I hope this was helpful to you and don't forget to subscribe! Cheers!
So what is the real issue causing the 19???
@@TVUsdad2015 both were the cause. In this video, the power commander was the issue. Shortly after this was posted, I got the same problem because of a battery on its way out. So now that I replaced the battery, I still have to start the motor while priming. But now it starts pwrfectly every time.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss I have a fresh battery and no commander so I'm at a loss with this issue.
@@TVUsdad2015 does the motor crank? What sounds does it make?
@@TheMotorcycleBoss oh yeah, I have to turn the key a few times for the code to go away. Then it'll start. Runs beautifully. Just issues with the starting. Code will appear at 1st turn of key after its been sitting for a few hours. I'll turn it off n on 3-5 times and it goes away. Sometimes comes back at startup. Then go thru same process. At 1st thought it was the kickstand switch...NOPE!!
When my bike was hot.. I start my 1300 while in the prime cycle at the beginning... and it works every time
I've been scratching my head for 2 days on this one lol. I'm more experienced with carbureted motors so I wasn't sure if the position of the two hoses on the intake mattered. It does. I had them backwards. Just switched them around after you explained checking the air pressure sensors and voila, she fired to life. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
Great to hear! Glad I could be of help! Thanks for watching and commenting. Much appreciated
I just picked up this same bike with the Power Commander and had starting issues. Sometimes it starts other times not... When we bought it It started right up for the seller. Maybe he should have told us about the trick starting immediately when the key is turned on!!! THANK YOU for your video.
Changed spark plugs and my 1999 RoadStar started right up.....I thought it was a ogled carb issue. Thanks man
Thanks for this. Always grateful to glean the knowledge of those willing to share
You were right I did learn quite a few things watching your video. I 👍 and subbed thanks for sharing
I love it when a plan comes together. Especially cheap and easy :D
Daaaamn. A've alsways started after these pump stop pumping...& I thought it is proper. And sometimes I've got a problem starting the engine. Thanks for the info. As you mention "Son of...." :D was a good note.
Lol. Right?! Ridiculous. To this day still no issues.
Wow unbelievable #FLINKO FEELING LIFES INTENTIONS NOT KNOWING OBSTACLES all love brotha... THANKS
Great video, love the dogs.. good info. Nice bike..
Lol. Thanks. Seems like every time I record outside they are there
I have not had this issue myself but im sure glad i watched.
Thanks! I'm glad it was at least entertaining. I really appreciate the comment and I hope you subscribe if you haven't already. All I post is motorcycle-related content to help people out and save them money. Cheers!
For a 30 minute reply on a year old video you get a sub.
@@swskitso lol thanks! I try my best to respond to everyone as fast as possible.
The test leads you rigged up are made the same way I was taught at MMI by the looks of them.
Hi, does the XVS1300 have CAN/OBD2 connector? I've been unable to locate it... I know that Yamaha uses 4PIN CAN instead of the standard... even so, I was unable to locate it 🥲
2013 vstar 1300 deluxe 30,000 mi, If you get a code 12 it may not be the crankshaft position sensor check the starter solenoid, neutral and kickstand switch first. Just replaced my solenoid and wouldn't start, did the fuel pump start trick and it fired but didn't start. Had to turn the key on then tap the start button to run the fuel pump 3 or 4 times then hit start and it fired right up. Thanks for the tip.
Hey I'm glad that I could help. Bike seems to be finicky. Ride safe!
could run a key on hot wire to the power commander to keep it on maybe?
I just learned something new I have a Yamaha Road Star Warrior 1700 PC
Did the fix help your bike too?
My 650 doing the same thing and I was wondering if it was my starter
Wow! Thank you!!
No problem! I hope it helps. Be sure to look at my pinned comment for an update to the underlying issue. Ride safe!
Ooo man, it is 12 am here in ENGLAND and got the same problem with my bike since the morning. I have changed the air filter to K&N and put charging cables on the battery in case if it will go flat I`ll be able to connect it straight away to it without taking the seat off. After reconnecting the battery, Bike just didn`t start. The battery is okay, fusses are okay, starter spins but nothing happens. I thought that maybe issues in is immobiliser. But after watching your video, will try to start it tomorrow in the morning as you showed. I really hope that it will work. As before that, the bike was working fine.
P.S. I have the same colour as yours, mine is 2009
Fingers crossed
Awesome. I hope it works for you. Please keep me in the loop and lmk. Looking forward to hearing from you
The Motorcycle Boss the morning has come. Me on my way to the motorcycle and hoping that it will start and will able to take it out today.
But looks like it I will spend another day in the garden. Bike didn’t start.
No idea where to look now. Maybe spar plugs? ( but it’s weird because I started two days before it died)
@@m.r.62 that's a shame. Sorry to hear that. If I were you, I would do the starter fluid test and go from there. Have you done this or no?
The Motorcycle Boss didn’t have any with me. So started to strip the bike little bit to see where is the problem. Discovered that cable that goes to the fuel pump doesn’t have electricity in it. Pump is working( checked with other cable and battery). Problem is somewhere in the wiring loom. But I’m not an electrician, so will take it the service next week
@@TheMotorcycleBoss Problem sorted, It was a wire that goes to the fuel pump relay connector, It was got corroded and broke. I have made a video of it on my channel
P.S. Did you lifted higher your handlebar? (the angle)
Hello, Would you tell me what is going on with high idle, when I pull the clutch 2012 VSTAR 1300T, no air leak, and been checked out, once throttle body got cleaned it worked for few days again the same case, as soon as I go for few minutes bike rises when I pull the clutch or put to neutral, riding wise no difference any thoughts? And suggestions.?
Check & clean your mass air flow sensor and make sure you are not getting any codes for a bad O2 sensor in your exhaust.
I replaced my TPS with a new one purchased from a Yamaha dealer and the part number is different , was told there was an upgrade, What readings should I get from the TPS when checking it ? 2007 V Star 1300. , bike's idle is very inconsistent , cheers and thanks for the video.
You would have to check the service manual. I haven't seen the values in quite a while.
My Vstar is a 2004 and does exactly the same. I replaced the air filter and put new spark plugs. It takes a few long attempts until it fires up. After that it starts every single time nice and smooth. I replaced the starter clutch about 3000 miles. The 2004 also takes those sensors under the gas tank? What could it be? Thanx.
It appears that the fuel pump relay is the common cause of this issue. I have yet to take the time after this video to test that theory but since this video, the problem has gotten worse to the point that the fuel pump no longer primes after the first time. I suspect the relay at this point.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss I will keep you posted. Thank you.
If anyone is confused about what are “these, them, they, this, & connectors,” Mass air pressure sensors.
Thanks man!!!!
No problem! Glad to help.
Why is my 2003 650 VStar so hard to start. It's been to the same, what I think is a quality place not some junk amature shop-been there twice. By the previous owner and now me. I took the carbs off and cleaned them meticulously. They put in a new battery and adjusted the idle. I still have to crank on it for over a minute before starting. I've tried all the different choke positions, giving and not giving gas. It's cool here today about 60.
I understand your frustration. It sounds like your idle jet or fuel pressure are having issues. It could also be your float position or your carb plunger. Trye replacing the spark plugs as well and ensure your air filter is clear.
I have a power commander on my Stryker. Fortunately I haven't experienced this issue but it will be great to keep in mind should I have the same problem.
Glad you found it helpful. I have an update pinned in these comments for when the exact same issue shows up but wasn't the power commander. If you give that a read, I think you will find it interesting. In any case, I'm glad to hear from you and I hope I could earn you as a subscriber! Ride safe! Cheers!
I changed my sylenooid on my 1300 yamaha v star now it want stay running unless u keep starter engaged
Sounds like a faulty solenoid.
Mine goes thru the same thing and i haven’t figure out what is wrong with it
Perform a load test on your battery. That was what ended up being the cause of a similar problem on this bike. If you take your battery to oreilly or autozone, they will test it for free.
My v star 650 makes the same noise when trying to start except when I turn the key to the ignition, it starts clicking before I even try to start it. Thinking maybe my battery is dead and that I need to clean my carb.
If you press the start button and you only hear one click or a series of clicks without trying to start, 95% of the time, it's just your battery needs recharging or replacement. If your battery checks out, you need to test your starter solenoid then test your starter. Make sure you get your battery load tested which Autozone or Oreilly auto do it for free. Or you can pick up your own load tester here: amzn.to/3uyJSIX
This is the exact same one I've used for years and I LOVE it. If you get your own, you can test it without leaving your house or removing your battery from the bike. It can also test car batteries and will even test your starting system, charging system, and even shows you overall battery health. Highly recommended for everyone honestly. I hope this helps!
@@TheMotorcycleBoss the battery was dead! Charged it and now it’s running fine
@@sunnietahmas4960 glad I could help you find your issue! Keep in mind that sometimes if your battery gets that low, a recharge maybe only a temporary solution. Even if it shows 12.6v, the voltage may drop too low to run your fuel pump or other devices while starting and it will show it's face later on in the form of you possibly getting stuck. That's why a load test is always recommended whenever your battery needs a recharge. It will tell you the true Cold-Cranking Amps of your battery and it will tell you the life of your battery. You don't want the CCA's to be less than what the battery is rated for. But glad you found your issue.
Im having issues on my vstar1300 that I recently bought. Theres no spark. Ive checked the basic parts that needs to be checked. Just want to know what to check on ecu about the wire that goes to the ignition coil what color is it any advice? Thanks
Have you tested the coils?
@@TheMotorcycleBoss yes i did, i think its because of the ignition switch because it didnt have one i just connected the red and brown wire,
There’s also a wire connection there which im not sure where to plug in. It consist of 5 wires if im not mistaken.
@@williamoratajr.4365 Without me being able to wrench on it myself, I can't be of much more help. All I can tell you at this point is that in order for you to diagnose further, you need to have your factory service manual. That should give you all the answers you need in order to further diagnose the issue.
So you ended up using the same parts and returned the other ones back to amazon? Or?
Everything except the spark plugs was returned.
How do you test the TPS?
I wonder the same thing
My make click sound when trying to start it. Do couple times then start. I will have to try it out
If it's making a click sound, usually that is a sign of a bad starter, starter solenoid, or low battery amperage. I would start by getting a load test done on your battery. Autozone or Oreilly do load tests for free. Hopefully this helps you.
Does the same on my Stratoliner 1900. Btw... What seat are you using ? I love the way the backrest comes up...
Thanks! It's a saddlemen seat. It's torn to crap now tho. It can't candle the vegas sun beating down on it. I really need a new one now. I think the sissybar came with the bike stock.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss would you have any interest in selling it ? Im needing a seat for my Strat that has better lower back support than the factory seat and new ones are outrageously priced...
Id even send you my factory seats if your interested
@@justintrudeau5642 send me some photos in my email and we will see. You can find my email in the video description.
meter looked like it was reading ac volts, i think it should be dc when bike is off, also check resistance on mass air flow sensors
Issue was found. Look at pinned comment for an update
where is the throttle position sensor and how do you check it?
The TPS is connected to your throttle body. Close to your air intake. If you get the factory service manual for your bike, you should be able to find it quite quickly.
Throttle position sensor is the black plug usually connected to the carburetor itself opposite side of the throttle cables. At least on the vstar 650s.
How do I check my tps?
Idk what bike you have but the tps typicall deals with resistance levels. You would loosen the sensor and twist it to the desired resistance level. You should consult your service manual for specifics which you can find free online in pdf form. I hope this helps. Good luck with your project.
So was the problem a shitty fuel commander? What did you have to do to start the bike however you want with no problems? I’m just trying to learn I have this bike as well
I understand where you are coming from. The power commander wasn't the issue. It's the bike itself. Since the power commander only receives power through the fuel injectors, this would've been an issue regardless of there being a power commander to my knowledge. It's just the way the bike's ECU is programmed and you would most likely need to flash the ECU in order to permanently fix this "issue". All in all it isn't a problem. Just a weird quirk of the bike design. Typically you are supposed to allow the fuel pump to prime completely before starting it but with this bike, I guess Yamaha wants you to start it as it primes.
I tried to bump start and now its parked and stuck in 2nd gear. Help.
And now i have full battery. Cranks but wont start. Well....wont even crank right cuz its stuck in gear
@@eyeamdavid have you tried relieving pressure off of the transmission by rolling the bike a hair while trying to move it to 1st gear or neutral?
Were teh air sensors out of spec because of the dusty environment? I'm on the east coast and even having ridden in every state west of the Mississippi River save two, I've never seen that much dust on mine.
Awesome video. So I just bought a 2006 Yamaha Royal Star Tour Deluxe awesome deal I pay $900 bucks. So the motorcycle will start on neutral with the clutch press in but at the moment I let go the clutch dies even with the kickstand up . But as long I keep holding the clutch in will stay running and if I put it on first gear or any gear dies right away. What do you think could be. ?
Hey! Thanks for commenting. It sounds 100% like a safety switch. Possibly your kickstand safety switch telling the bike it is always in the down position. But there is also a neutral safety switch on many bikes. I would start by diagnosing your kickstand safety switch then move on to the other safety switches from there. I hope this helps and good luck with your project! I hope I earned you as a subscriber if I haven't already. Ride safe! Cheers!
@@TheMotorcycleBoss thank you so much you are awesome and making people lives easier and saving money that we don’t have. Appreciate. So I tried to by pass the kickstand I put a electrical cooper wire to see if Start and didn’t work. So after I disconnected on the clutch level electrical plug has four prongs I bypass one side and got it to start in neutral without pressing the clutch. Than I sit on the bike put the kickstand up and I put it on gear and die right away
@@MOUSEBOWEN @Mouse Gipson no problem. So keep in mind that some safety switches are naturally open or naturally closed. For instance, instead of bridging the kickstand wire, just disconnect it and don't bridge. Try this for all of your safety switches. It seems like your clutch switch may need to be replaced. But of course before buying one, identify the problem thoroughly first. If need be, breaking out a service manual for the bike and looking at the safety switch wiring diagram may help you out as well. But so far it seems you are on the right path to figuring it out.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss okay awesome. Tomorrow I’m going to remove the gas tank to chase the clutch safety wires and kickstand see what’s the deal. Gracias my for you help
@@MOUSEBOWEN no problem. Please update me when you find the issue. Knowing the causes of issues is very helpful.
I'm sorry but I don't know what the hell I would be doing so I would just load it up and take it to the shop. 😭
Will this trick work on a 650 because I’m having the same issue.
Did you ever find out if it worked? I'm having the same issue
@@GoPROfessiona it didn’t work for me.
My 2014 V-Star 1300 Deluxe doesn't have that needed quick start. Even with a old battery. Yamaha must have fixt the issue.
I check for spark and fuel before going to the store. In line spark tester plugged on to spark plug, and into plug wire. Spark yes? Pull plug, check for spark at gap and for unburned fuel (wet.) At this point (plug out) also check condition of plug. If spark yes, plug dry- no fuel to cylinder. Sometimes, when engine sit a while they lose the prime. 1.Key on, 2.listen for pump to run and stop, 3.key off. Repeat 2-3× before cranking over. Crank over. Fire yes-good. Fire no- check plug for raw fuel again.
That's when I start dumping tools on the floor and making trips to the store.
Your assessment is correct however the real underlying issue has been addressed in my pinned comment as an update. I think you'll find the solution quite interesting. Take a look!
@@TheMotorcycleBoss Cool. I was thinking carbs, too, like on my 1100. Lot of people omit the pump altogether on those and use gravity feed. I wonder if a downhill bump start would work in a pinch with injection 🤔🤔🤔
son of a@#%#%. I changed the fuel pump and I still had the same problem. after this video, I tried and it worked. thanks
My battery is good , new spark plugs , new air cleaner, bike is hard starting when hot… any ideas.starts great when cold
That's a common sign of your fuel pump going out. Do a fuel flow/ pressure test to make sure it isn't that.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss It always start when its cold.. I appreciate your excellent knowledge here.. I will let you know when I find the proplem
@@freddy3190did you find the problem?
Hahaha I end up replacing carburador kid also spark plug so many things and something simple that simple 😢😅😅😅
My bike just makes a small click noise when I try and start it.
Check your battery voltage. If the voltage is at 12.3-12.6v, that's good voltage. Next you will have to take your battery in to Autozone or Oreilly Auto Parts for a free battery load test. If it passes the load test, you need to diagnose your starter solenoid and then your starter. Let me know how it goes! Good luck and happy hunting!
@@TheMotorcycleBoss I appreciate the info. I'll keep you informed on how it goes
@@SillyGeeseINC absolutely. Keep me updated!
Bruh, throw your commander away and get the ivans performance flash!
My 1100 vstar sounds like the starter is spinning but im hearing nothing from the engine .it was riding good all day then out of nowhere i went to leave my buddy house and that happened
It sounds like your starter stopped pushing out and engaging your flywheel. I'd recommend pulling out your starter and testing it. Autozone can typically test starters for you on site for free.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss ok thanks a lot i will let u know what happens tomorrow when i check the starter
@@luvhangover please do. I would love to know the cause of the problem. If it's what I think or even better if it isn't what I think it is. I'll be waiting. Thanks!
The 1100 V-star is known to suffer from starter clutch failure. Sadly, not a cheap fix.
so there was nothing wrong with it?
Nope. Just a commin issue with a power commander on this bike.
Im about to buy the same bike with the same problem, hoping this is the issue!
Did you get your yet
Good Vid, MB, thanks... but one thing is still unclear.....So, as I like to hear the fuel pump charge the lines ... I flip the start switch to on, flip the key, watch the display and listen..... " Weeeeeee " 2 seconds, then the ECU turns off the diagnostics lights. then I press start,.... Wuhh Wuhh. Bruummmm..... So why did the guy in the forum figure that the Fuel pump was shutting off? To me that sounds like a fuel line pressure switch issue...... Once you hit the Start switch at the end of the charge cycle, you would have full pressure to start the bike , but then you should be working off vacuum, not injector pressure when the bike started and when the injectors open , you are pulling rather than pushing fuel ...??? The fuel pressure switch should stop the pump until you rev the engine ....
I missed a point here When the fuel line pressure drops below a specified value, due to idling, revving or riding. the fuel pump will engage and keep the injector inlet pressure up..... not shut off when it reaches set-point for line pressure......
@@Yamahog from what I can tell, since the injectors require power to send fuel, the power commander is the middle man between the ECU signal and the injectors. When the ECU sends the signal for the injectors to fire, the Power commander intercepts the signal in order to modify it. However; if the fuel pump is no longer priming, the power commander loses power as well and can't relay the signal to the injectors. (That's my understanding anyway) However; I feel like this isn't entirely the issue I have. Apparently the fuel pump relay tends to go out on these bikes pretty frequently and I think it finally took a dump. I have more tests to run to figure it out but I'll see about updating this video in the comments or description once the issue is discovered.
Ok so nothing needs to be fixed with this bike? Because I ended up doing what I learned in this video, n my road star started right up second attempt.
@@orlandoperez2403 glad to hear. However; the battery can show a similar issue. Read my pinned comment on this video.
good show but still stick with dealer parts
i watched till the end and it worked.wtf!!!!!
I know! it's a really weird issue. Glad it fixed the problem tho. I've never come across this issue on any other bike myself.
I will disagree with the use of starting fluid (either ). compression will cause either to ignite even with no spark. Carburetor cleaner is a better option. I have also seen engines damaged when ignition spark ignited starting fluid. Either is much more combustible than gasoline or carburetor cleaner.
Everyone has their own tactics as I'm sure there has been an issue in the past with someone that uses your preferred method as well. My experience tells me I have a 100% success rate with starting fluid or carb fluid. I have to go off of that
that is why get dealer parts ONLY
I'm not understanding what part(s) you are referring to...
I have this same issue. Only my bike will not stay on after 1 minute or so.
Maybe you have to watch your fuel pressure. Could be a fuel pump or fuel filter issue.
naturally no info in removing the tank, nobody has that simple video on youtube. good video though. Manual says remove neck covers first but the tank is in the way of the 1/4 turn fastners that hold the neck covers on.
I haven't had the need to fully remove the gas tank on this bike yet. But all I had to do after undoing the tank bolts under the seat was to remove the 2 hoses in the back. It's more of a pain than some other bikes but it isn't too hard.
@@TheMotorcycleBoss OK Thanks, ride safe.
no of that was necessary. Fuel Spark Air Compression. That's all. 1 ) Check spark with screwdriver, 2) Check Fuel flow , 3) Check compression with your thumb 4) Check engine is getting Air.
Checking spark and compression was easily done with starter fluid. Which also isolates fuel. Air was an obvious one to see, hear, and check. And timing wasn't the issue since it would run perfectly when it started. I already did all of these checks beforehand. It just came down to the specific characteristics of the electrical system of the bike and the power commander having a time limit. Everything you mentioned checked out already but the time limit was the only unkown issue. Only other logical issue to check at that point would be a wonky MAF sensor, ECU, or TPS.
Never blow air INTO the chamber as you might be blowing debris inside the intake.
VACUUM...
Not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. Engines can be quite dirty without issue. Not to say you should disregard any cleanliness at all. However; blowing out the spark plug area before removal is standard practice to prevent any debris from falling inside the cylinders upon removal of the spark plug. It would actually be a bad idea NOT to blow it out before removing.
Someone’s never tried to blow a toothpick into a water bottle
im in this issue😮💨😔😔😔
Did the solution end up working for you?
Ha ha damn
Wow, first you should have started with PC. Me, I hate those, not worth the hassle. In the end, this was misleading because you didn't identify you had a PC. Maybe next time.
Lol. I ended up finding out the PC was only a small part of the issue. The real underlying issue was simply battery related. The battery had enough voltage to prime the fuel pump but when I would engage the starter, the voltage would drop just enough to no longer allow the fuel pump to work while having enough energy for a solid crank. I suspected this issue after the trick I learned in this video started not working a few days later. I performed a load test on the battery and it failed being at 68% remaining life. Swapped out the battery and now I haven't had a starting issue since. So technically we were both wrong here. Maybe you'll get it right next time...