How The Kinks Ray Davies Outsmarted Them All

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  • @jerrymeadows5059
    @jerrymeadows5059 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    I love the Kinks. I also love the Beatles and the Stones and it has long baffled me why it should matter for so many, even the groups themselves, to identify one group as superior to others. Music, especially rock music, has plenty enough to celebrate without boring arguments about who was the best. Just listen, appreciate and be happy for the variety.

    • @garyknight750
      @garyknight750 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Exactly.

    • @BCTGuitarPlayer
      @BCTGuitarPlayer 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I've been saying this for decades. Dear God it'd be a boring world if all bands were the same. No one musician is better than the other; they are simply different. That's the point!

    • @williamcurtin5692
      @williamcurtin5692 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      This sort of thing has gone on forever, way before pop or rock. In late 1800s Germany Brahms fans loathed Wagner and the feeling was returned by Wagner fans, one of whom put a sign over the fire alarm in a concert hall: "In case of Brahms, break glass". As for me, I always think of the Brit Big Four as, alphabetically, Beatles, Kinks, Stones, Who and don't try to rank them. That said, the Kinks are my personal favorite.

    • @jerrymeadows5059
      @jerrymeadows5059 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@williamcurtin5692 Thanks for sharing. I've always been fond of the Kinks myself. Ray Davies is a very witty guy.

    • @hollywoodjoe123
      @hollywoodjoe123 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      YES you got that right - each band was as good as the next - each had its own groove - each band stood on their own -

  • @danieleyre8913
    @danieleyre8913 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have been a big fan of Ray Davies and the kinks since I was 13.
    But I am very sure that Ray would feed off and leach from people adjacent. Such as his wife Rasa, Dave, and keyboardist Nicky Hopkins.
    It’s no coincidence for me that his songwriting and arrangement took a serious decline after his divorce in 1973.
    Not denying that Ray is very talented. But I do think he was also a bit of a user and leach.

    • @chrisbotelho7212
      @chrisbotelho7212 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Miserly might be a better term.

  • @shaunmcgee4204
    @shaunmcgee4204 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    If the Beatles had any real competition from their songwriting contemporaries in the U.K., it was from the Kinks, not the Rolling Stones.

  • @BritInvLvr
    @BritInvLvr 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Thank you for covering my favorite band.

  • @billkingston4402
    @billkingston4402 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    What a time, Beatles, Strolling bones, the Who, Small Faces, Kinks, Troggs, Yardbirds, bloody hel

    • @theglavine
      @theglavine 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The CREATION were so powerful and The Move were great and helped spawn ELO!

  • @williamcurtin5692
    @williamcurtin5692 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Seeing that they almost dropped off the map in this country during the late '60s, it was amazing to see them become a finely-honed arena juggernaut in the 70s. I saw them in '71 in Berkley. They were reputed to be a hit or miss live act. I got lucky- they were great. And Badfinger was the lead-in. Took great joy in keeping them in steady rotation on my college radio show in' 72 and 73. A real highlight was when my girlfriend reported that another DJ had dedicated Waterloo Sunset to me for turning her onto the band.

    • @freewheelingideas
      @freewheelingideas  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Amazing

    • @total.stranger
      @total.stranger 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Terrific comment, Bill. Thanks.👍

    • @markmoriarty7388
      @markmoriarty7388 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The comments are turned off but I agree. With you and will for the 1st time on You Tube/Freewheeling tell my strange Ray Davies story It is early 1971 at the Capitol Theater, Port Chester NY. The Kinks are headlining with some support act I did not catch.. I lived in Greenwich Ct. Right next to Port Chester. I everyone who worked at the place and had turned down an ushering job there.
      The Kinks took the stage while I was backstage talking with freinds.I moved up forward behind the stage curtain stage right. Onstage the Kinks were preparing to get started when I noticed Ray looking a bit strange. He was looking around wildly and then stepped over to speak with his brother Dave. The two seemed to be arguing over something!? Suddenly Ray noticed me standing behind the stage curtain and began walking toward me with a look of utter despairation on his face. I was 18 at the time and he was scaring the shit out of me.

    • @CanadaCornrow
      @CanadaCornrow 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They dropped off the map in the USA because of a fight with some union group and weren’t allowed to tour during the late sixties. That’s when Ray began writing songs that were more distinctly British.

    • @markmoriarty7388
      @markmoriarty7388 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      To continue: Ray moved tword me but his guitar cord would only allow him to go so far. ( pre wireless days ). I didn't want to walk out on that stage in front of a full house and with a lot of people knowing me. The whole thing was surreal. Davies was imploring me to speak with him. With no other viable alternative I just walked out to him and the screaming catalls from the audience started.
      It turned out that Ray had actually forgotten just where they were performing. " Oye mate what's the name of this bleeding fookin city. It's some sort of seaport yeah?" " no I said emphatically. " The towns called Port Chester, no seaport ". "Powt Chesta" said Ray. " No, it's Port Chester" I exclaimed. " that's what I bloody well said " Ray's face was turning a weird shade of red / purple.The whole thing was way too much for me and I retreated to the safety of the curtain. After apologies to the crowd, the Kinks swung into Stop Your Sobbing. We laughed about it after the show but for years.....a decade or two, people who were there have asked me a series of unending questions about that God awfully but cool night..........And that's it😮

  • @0HARE
    @0HARE 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Yeah, such a great band.
    Ray’s song writing, and Dave’s guitar riffs have been a major part of my early life.
    Born in ‘54, I arrived on the scene at just the right time to partake and savor all this great music.
    Rock On!

  • @LucyLennon20
    @LucyLennon20 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Gosh! In 2014 "Sunny Afternoon" the jukebox musical with music and lyrics by Ray Davies made its world premiere in London. The play was based on the formation and career of The Kinks. 🎭🎶

    • @gordonely3591
      @gordonely3591 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well done , Ray‼️

  • @Steve-q6l4v
    @Steve-q6l4v 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Very nicely done,my favorite album is Muswell Hillbillies, but Kink Kronikles has so many early hits its crazy good too.

  • @anthonymcnamee6297
    @anthonymcnamee6297 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Dave’s guitar added loads

  • @ericmccarty9656
    @ericmccarty9656 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The unfortunate first American tour, put a hold on their career in the states, but always loved seeing them.

  • @richardbanker3910
    @richardbanker3910 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I bought the Arthur album years ago and loved it. It created a great sweep from the nightmare pull of Victorianism and the working class underdog from various stances. Ray Davies writing is great and very British. Chrissie Hynde was a great Ray Davies fan.

    • @Ted_James
      @Ted_James 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And his wife.

    • @theglavine
      @theglavine 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Ted_James Just live ins. Never married.

  • @theglavine
    @theglavine 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    5 British bands from the 60s made the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame on the 1st Ballot; Beatles, Stones, Kinks and The Who (Big 4 of Brit Invasion); & Led Zeppelin. That's the facts. No Pink Floyd or any other UK band from 60s and not Queen from the 70s made it in on the first ballot!

    • @LaughingStock_
      @LaughingStock_ 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Hall of Lame is supposed to be an accolade? I know your comment is well-meaning, but the majority of Brits consider The Hall of Lame for what it is: a nauseating North American corporate wankfest that has absolutely nothing to do with the spirit of RnR. Read John Lydon's letter to the head of Lame.He sums the whole sorry thing up beautifully.

    • @UwePetersen-t3u
      @UwePetersen-t3u 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think you forgot the Small Faces and the Beach Boys.

    • @theglavine
      @theglavine 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@UwePetersen-t3u The Beach Boys are American and The Small Faces are great but mainly known in Europe and not in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. I was making a point about British music royalty and as a Kinks fan, wanted to make a comparison to highlight their place in the pantheon.

  • @shayhorvath2795
    @shayhorvath2795 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    thank you for covering The Kinks

  • @99672
    @99672 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Seen the Kinks many times of the years, even met Ray after the gigs a couple of times. Have all their records.

  • @julenepegher6999
    @julenepegher6999 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My favorite British Band! ❤️🔥Kinks!

  • @aminahmed2220
    @aminahmed2220 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Absolutely awesome have a wonderful day also last night was my mom birthday ❤😊

  • @leeoser3806
    @leeoser3806 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Love The Kinks!

  • @chrisbotelho7212
    @chrisbotelho7212 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Far and away my favorite band from 1964 to today but RD could not have been more wrong about Revolver if he tried. He had issues with John Lennon which no doubt influenced his review.

    • @skykiss12
      @skykiss12 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Totally agree!!

  • @charlesandrews2360
    @charlesandrews2360 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love em. I'm a little different than most hardcore Kinks fans. I think their best albums were in the 1980s and their best album overall is phobia.

  • @bookashkin
    @bookashkin 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks for this. Made my day. Great photos.

  • @bulldoginyellowsubmarine9259
    @bulldoginyellowsubmarine9259 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Ray is one of the greatest writers of all time. He's up there with Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, ect.

  • @CiaHerlev
    @CiaHerlev 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Kinks and the Who where the greatest, together with Hollies, Rolling Stones and Tremeloes and many others. Manfred Mann, The Move, Small Faces and others. Beatles only got the high spot for performing in the USA on Ed Sullivan show. What about the lyrics of "Love me Do". Impressing? They only had two very good songs: Twist and Shout" and "I want To Hold Your Hand/Komm gib mir Deiner Hand". Only after Lennon went on LSD, the lyrics got interesting. They also copied many songs, claiming it was their original work. "Come together" is one example.McCartney were pop orientated. Harrison had a big ego, shamelessly copying "He is so Fine" as his own song: "My sweet Lord". But that costed him luckily more than 1 million dollars.
    Beatles were good, but not great

  • @MFisher7346
    @MFisher7346 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I've always understood that the biggest tension in the Kinks was between the two Davies brothers (who had a love-hate relationship), and that it was Peter Quaife who managed to prevent them from killing each other. When Quaife died, Dave Davies wrote "It was never the Kinks without you, Pete".

    • @chrisbotelho7212
      @chrisbotelho7212 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, Dave's problems were with Mick not Pete.

    • @alanlinfield8207
      @alanlinfield8207 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dave had altercations with both Mick and Pete (and, of course, with Ray). Mick famously came perilously close to decapitating Dave on stage with his cymbal. Pete Quaife left the band (the second time) after getting punched in the face by Dave.

  • @1fan164
    @1fan164 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Kimks outwitted everybody artistically but not commercially.

  • @koma4050
    @koma4050 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More people need to realize the music industry is completely controlled so bands must do what they’re told. Otherwise their careers are short. Also they’re not allowed to question the narratives of the day such as Covid or Israeli aggression in Palestine, etc. Bob Dylan confessed that he’s still working because he’s honouring his contract he made with the chief commander. I think you know what that means. 👿

  • @total.stranger
    @total.stranger 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Good video, overall, Freewheeling. Could use some editing in obvious places.
    As @jamesfitzgerald6636 has already commented, the difficulties within the band were primarily between Dave and Ray - and then, Dave and Mick Avory. Prior to The Kinks going professional, Pete and Dave were pretty good friends, according to all reports.

  • @dannybenair
    @dannybenair 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The tension was between Dave and drummer Mick Avory.

  • @koma4050
    @koma4050 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It’s been argued that the Beatles didn’t write a lot of their music especially the first 4 albums. They also likely didn’t play the music as session musicians played even up to their last few albums. Even George Martin confessed they weren’t good musicians nor could they write well. So the Beatles weren’t what we were told, sadly.

  • @jamesfitzgerald6636
    @jamesfitzgerald6636 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Internal fights were between the drummer Mick Avory and Dave Davies not the bass player, big boo boo

    • @total.stranger
      @total.stranger 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, correct. Before the band went 'pro', Dave and Pete were pretty good friends. Dave and Mick Avory never seemed to get along.

    • @natesaar3034
      @natesaar3034 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Actually it was mick Avory and ray. Mick through a symbol at his head and thought he’d killed him after ray was taunting him

    • @PigletVanGogh
      @PigletVanGogh 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Wrong!!!

  • @Blooobirds27
    @Blooobirds27 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ray Dayveez?

  • @johnkochen7264
    @johnkochen7264 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Ray Davies suffered from a typical failing in many groups.
    1. He demeaned his brother and kept his song writing efforts off their records much like Mark Knopfler and Tom Fogerty. Ni brother but George Harrison had a similar experience.
    2. He demeaned the work of other groups. Putting down the Beatles’ Revolver is a case in point. In fact, it was just jealousy pure and simple.
    3. Like Roger Waters, he thought he ruled the band and all hail the chief.

    • @matthewashman1406
      @matthewashman1406 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yes that's all true. But he was a fine songwriter

  • @bobanderson3881
    @bobanderson3881 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ray Davies Knighted by Prince Charles. Too bad. The poor soul sold his soul.

  • @davidellis5141
    @davidellis5141 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Ray certainly was as good a writer as Lennon / McCartney & Jagger / Richards & he did it solo.

  • @CiaHerlev
    @CiaHerlev 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hey

  • @daviddowns7552
    @daviddowns7552 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Revolver #1

    • @matthewashman1406
      @matthewashman1406 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Love the kinks but they never made anything as good as Revolver

  • @jeanmarieboucherit7376
    @jeanmarieboucherit7376 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Such a insightful judgment on Revolver which is considered one of the finest records ever made😂😂😂 ( kudos to the out of tune singing on Some Mother’s son)

  • @tbwatch88
    @tbwatch88 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    really shows we need a long-form doc. love them to bits.

  • @amyisrael7718
    @amyisrael7718 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Loved the Kinks…I loved their sound. Still do

  • @piershemmingsen3937
    @piershemmingsen3937 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Terrific video. God Save The Kinks !

  • @alfredpetrie7920
    @alfredpetrie7920 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm from Dundee and it doesn't cease to amaze the difference from London to where I'm from

  • @montyrose78
    @montyrose78 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The GOAT

  • @alfredpetrie7920
    @alfredpetrie7920 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Clever band,I just wasn't a fan of his singing

  • @RayG817
    @RayG817 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think we all agree that the Kinks were, obviously, the greatest of all British bands. Bar none. By far. The others were shallow, empty amateurs in comparison. Except for possibly The Dave Clark Five.

    • @lylecampbell9036
      @lylecampbell9036 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      BS

    • @RayG817
      @RayG817 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@lylecampbell9036 Boz Skaggs? No, he was American.

    • @chrisbotelho7212
      @chrisbotelho7212 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haha nicely stated.

    • @daviddowns7552
      @daviddowns7552 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't agree

    • @RayG817
      @RayG817 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@daviddowns7552 Name one group better than the Kinks.