They totally could. Windows could be the fastest and most lightweight desktop OS if MS wanted. But it's a corporation, and Windows relies on hardware sales and lots of data collection to be profitable, they need a whole lot of processes running in the background, and don't care about making old devices unusable with their OS. MS have a desktop OS monopoly, many professional applications and games still don't run on Linux, so they're still not worried about loosing their market-share, no matter how shitty their attitude is.
@@WolfiiDog13 Actually a lot of window's bloat comes from the stuff they add into it that is for third party, mostly the companies that make the computer you're using
Same. It takes a lot of time creating new images for our company to deploy out to our mini-PCs and laptops because of us needing to remove all the bloatware. Not sure how updates work with this mini version of Windows though. Just hoping the bloat won't return after updates are applied. Otherwise I am very interested in testing this out.
@@victorkreig6089 Let's be honest, it's both. There's a TON of backwards compatibility baked into windows OS still going back all the way to XP as well as basic drivers to handle vast swaths of different hardware produced over decade(s) at least well enough to detect and talk to that hardware in order to find and install better drivers. That's not ideal, but I also get it. But Windows is also crammed with bloat that I cannot remove and do not want, like Cortana, which can only be shut off, not removed entirely, and god knows how much data scraping.
@@beanshady if the bloat isn't present on your computer, it won't be updated or reinstalled. If you deploy images at work, you should have an idea about how to remove these apps from the wim image prior creating the corporate image (if you are not the one preparing the image, then my apologies). That said, look it up. It's quite straight forward for a techie person.
Dang you actually covered it. I hope to see more of this OS in gaming and emulation. Love your videos and you're channel is honestly one of the one's I look out for when stuff like this gets released.
This would be perfect for those HDMI PC sticks also, many of them shipped with 60gb drives and are unusable now. This could potentialy bring a lot of tech back to life! Great vid.
For those with missing Wifi Drivers, Finally solved it. I had to force the installation to go into Audit mode, CTRL+SHIFT+F3, I downloaded the adapter drivers to another thumb drive, then go into the device manager, find the broke network adapter, update its drivers from thumb drive, then reboot into OOBE and finish the installation. Bobs your uncle.
This appears to be a great option for older PCs. In the past I have resorted to Linux distributions for keeping end of life Windows laptops in a usable state, but with mixed results. Thank you for the video.
If someone has an older PC, it cannot support beyond Directx 9, so there is no point in it having beyond Windows 7, which already uses far less resources than Windows 11, and also has lite versions that use even less.
@@mpischannel1832 Did you even read my entire comment? Because your response would assume I was saying that you can not run windows 10, which has absolutely not one thing to do with my comment...
It would be cool if there was like a Tiny11 preset for NTLite or even a standalone script / utility for making the necessary modifications to the system files. This way Microsoft will have basically no legal ground to stop the OS from getting into the hands of users. Additionally such a script could be open source, allowing the community to make improvements. Even if it is a closed source utility, there would be potential for custom presets that work better than in NTLite. It would also make Windows modification more accessible
I saw a video from Craft Computing that goes over a GitHub utility that does exactly this. You can even choose what gets removed, what each "service" does, etc. Can't recall what the utility's called though
For people who are confused like me. The files are called B1 and B2 for Beta1 and Beta2 (2 is newer). The torrent does NOT include version with no system requirements, but Rufus can already take care of that for you.
This seems like the perfect thing to keep older windows tablets running a modernized OS. Something like a Surface 4 with those 6th gen i7s and i5s and 4-8GB of RAM would benefit quite a lot.
freaking awesome! I'm now using this build on my HP laptop. i5-8250u / 16GB Ram. yeah, it's overkill to run this on my laptop, but i despise the bloatware in windows. using this build is way better than running the debloat ps scripts. this build appears to be the Windows Enterprise version. I have an msdn account through work and it took my Windows 10 Pro product license key without issue. thanks for shining a light on Tiny11.
I use Superlite SE, which is also a modified Windows 11 ISO but it uses even less RAM. Just 0.9GB out of 4GB installed on my 10 year old laptop. There's no Store app, no MS account requirement, no Edge, and there's versions that don't even have Defender (which is what i'm using). It honestly feels like a free hardware upgrade, everything is much snappier, it's very noticeable. It has a large improvement to minimum frame rates with some games too. Infact it's mostly aimed at gaming but also happens to be ideal for old hardware. You should do a vid on it with benchmarks....
This could work great with the Steam Deck, be it on SD card or SSD, it would definitely open up storage beyond the OS on the medium used, not to mention more RAM for games, even with the UMA buffer set to 4GB. Definitely would like to see a vid on it!
What's the virtualization capabilities of the Deck? Rather than dual boot for the rare times Windows is entirely needed, I'd be more interested in seeing Tiny11 virtualized with relevant file storage local to the Deck itself; essentially, make Tiny11 an application via a VM environment that points to a folder for all the Windows-relevant programs and files.
The one hiccup I think there is in that for me is IIRC xbox game services aren't here.. though if they can be installed, and things update normally? I would 100% reload my WinDeck with this.
I love the idea of debloated windows, but it is always a big security risk on dailying a modified windows build that you're not sure is trustworthy. Maybe this one is, i don't know.
Personally I wouldn't risk it. It's not from an official source and you have no idea what's on it. If your system is running this slow then ie would be a good idea to either install Linux, Windows 10 or save some money and upgrade.
been running ghoste spectres isos for 2 years never had an issue and i have it on multiple systems still requires a key and has defender and official updates but extremely lightweight
I know the guy behind tiny11 and has said what programs he used. its called MSMG Toolkit and you can use it too for free. I have used it for a making a minimal windows 10 1607 install and works perfectly
I know more or less what they remove or with which programs they could do it (I did it myself, but it takes a while), it's not magic, it's just knowing which processes are the ones that almost nobody uses, especially if it's only for playing games or office.
Actually there’s a lot more to it that that. It removes telemetry stuff as well, etc. it’s way better than running vainilla Windows 10 or 11 and trying to strip it down. This is based off of Enterprise images.
Great video as always. We would also love a video that compare gaming and emulation between tiny 11 and a stock Windows 11 install to see if there is an actual difference.
I installed on a VM within my Proxmox a couple of days back. Set it up with 1.5Gb RAM and 2 vCPUs. It's rocking it! I use that for random stuff and testing usability for general purposes and going great so far.
I did it with a Dual Xeon E5-2690 V2 assigned 2 CPU’s with 3 cores/6 threads(6cores/12threads total)(host) and only 16Gb of memory. And it runs pretty good. IBM System X3650 M4 with 2x Quaddro K6000 and 192Gb of Ram. I also run XPenology DS3622xsp on it Alpine Linux for my docker containers(pi-hole, Frigate, portainer, Odoo, Syncthing, nginx proxy manager, Home Assistant and unbound) as Well as HiveOS and Kali. Those old servers are really versatile and powerful. But Tiny11 missed too much features. So installed Ghost Spectre afterwards. It’s way better
@@manojkhatri1788 I used GhostSpectre it installed with no problems immediately through Proxmox with an AMD R5 GPU Passthrough 12 Xeon E5-2670-V2 cores(24 threads) set as Host Processor and 16 Gb of the 128Gb of memory assigned. I think GhostSpectre is way better than Tiny11
I've been hearing about Tiny11. Honestly I'm mostly interested which drawbacks it has. To be so extremely shrunk down, it must have lost some capabilities. What is still left? What functions did we loose? Is it still secure? Do we have Windows Defender / Firewall, etc.? Do we have updates available? These are all important questions in my opinion that haven't been answered. And not gonna lie, I'm gonna educate myself right now. But would be great content for a follow up video ;)
Id be skeptical, especially in terms of security, not just in terms of updates. you should probably just make ur own custom windows iso, its pretty ez theres tutorials.
You'll need to read articles on it. Most TH-camrs cover the most basic crap w/ these OSes. They just want the views from something unordinary like a light W11 but don't actually care about helping much
I was wondering why you hadn't talked about Windows customized version as they improve the 1% and 0.1% FPS on many many games making the experience much smoother. Great video!
Those 200-300 meg idle seems a bit dubious since 1. Its not idling at 300 megs with spare memory but bottlenecked to 300 megs 2. The SSD usage is 100% on both images and that could mean the system is swapping to drive since there’s not enough memory which could make the ssd wear out much quicker, and since ssds arent as fast as system memory (RAM) its going to be a bit laggy as well. For machines with really low memory I would recommend a light weight linux distribution instead because you can actually have a low resource usage and have spare memory left for doing actual work. Even tho most people dont like linux and dont wanna use it cus it’s unfamiliar, its a better alternative for these lower end machines. + theres no microsoft / google spyware and its free.
@@Jhakaas_Jai As requested: The expression means that the person you are saying it to is gullible enough to believe you when you offer to sell them a well know landmark as if you owned it. It's an old expression usually associated with the Brooklyn Bridge and very gullible bumpkins visiting the "big city" for the first time. ;-]
@@robertcartier5088 I was asking about if linux has spyware or not.....if it has please name them and if you know how to remove them. I use linux so.....
Working on getting Windows 7 running on my Ryzen 7950x with 128gb of RAM Until then using ZOrin OS on it, and using WIndows 7 still like a power user dream in 2023 on my FX-8350.
I've tested a bunch of Windows 7 and 10 _Lite_ versions over the course of the years and I always run into problems after a while. At first it seems to run fine and snappy but then a game won't run because of some thing the was removed; programs won't work properly out of the blue, Windows Update will glitch, driver issues may appear, etc. It's like playing with the unexpected. These days I rather prefer to install the full version of Windows 10 or 11 and from that just make my own tweaks with third party tools (Winaero, ThisIsWin11, DControl, Windows Ultimate Toolbox, and whatever I find usefull), and even by only doing this I still have gone through issues (but by only tweaking the basics you can get a big improvement, just like these problematic stripped down versions). So I don't think is worth it installing this kinda of modified version on your main computer, maybe on a secondary on. Having to throubleshoot stuff and never finding an answer and then having to format it again is really frustating.
Yeahhhh everyone's all curious about this but a lot of those people don't understand Windows well. MS puts so much shit on it that isn't bloatware, which is the only thing most think about. I am skipping all these lite versions and going to Linux w/ my retro laptops!! (first-time Linux user) 😎
@@troyguererro0898 Same happened for me. Cannot update security updates. And other updates. Some say it is because onedrive is missing. Trying to add those folders back in WinSxS and see.
Love the vid, maybe try Tiny 11 on some PC handhelds like the Ayaneo devices to see if it squeezes any more performance out of games on limited gaming hardware
I have an older version, Tiny10, running my my Thinkpad (model X230) and it has run butter smooth for the last few months. I'm definitely gonna "upgrade" to T11. 👍🏼
@Kunal I haven't done a Windows Update session yet. I wanted to see how it responds to all of the hardware driver updates first. I will give it a try this weekend and will post an update.
@@HunterKiotori I haven't done a Windows Update session yet. I wanted to see how it responds to all of the hardware driver updates first. I will give it a try this weekend and will post an update.
@@RCfromtheNYC damn, that OS can literally run on a pentium 3 with less than 400 mb ram. I sincerely wished it has an option for phones because with iOS and Android as major platforms, it's getting boring nowadays
That was interesting. I have an old (circa 2011) Toshiba laptop with an AMD E450. I tried both the Tiny 10 and the Tiny11 and the 11 beat the pants off the 10. Ran 11 better than it ran 10 or even W7 Home, which it came with. Having 8 GB RAM is probably one of the reasons. All the current updates installed without any problem or errors. It even pulled a digital W11 Pro license out of MS, versus Tiny 10 not registering at all. And as my W7 was for Home, I am surprised. Snappy is not quite what I would call it but much less laggy than W10 Home was.
This would be a good way to dualboot for the Steam Deck IF some games in your library are hostile to Proton, but would only dual boot when playing said game.
I have some major concerns: A) Will there be any problems down the line trying to install software or hardware such as a basic webcam? B) Is it as secure as vanilla Win11? Can one use it for online banking? C) Will it not become slow over the course of months of use? Personally, on a laptop with low specs I would use some lightweight Linux distro. It should be much more secure and more reliable.
Webcams don't work, at least on Tiny 10. No issues with software so far, though. 6 months in. I get security updates with the latest version of Tiny 10 and use it for banking, not issues so far. But I do most of my banking from my phone. 6 months in, it's not significantly slower than it was when I first installed it. But I recommend Tiny 10 over Tiny 11 because the development is much more mature. Tiny 11 is newer and some things don't yet work, that do on Tiny 10.
I wonder if this works on (older) surfaces, too. Would love an in-depth review about the OS with advantages and disadvantages and possible secuity issues. Feels like it‘s to good to be true. But thanks for the video and making me aware! More, please! ❤
@@triynizzles I installed on my old surface go and I can't access the Microsoft app store and when I try to install chrome or edge I get an error message.
Hey thanks great video. Installed on HP Stream successfully, I now have a usable laptop again with some available hard space. I am now able to have Windows updates again. Had to manually Activate Windows, which has been the only issue.
Autohotkey is perfect for windows. You can customize buttons to go directly where you want to go. Anything on windows system you can customize to your needs. Wanna run a certain game, press a button and go directly there no waiting. Need notepad, press a button. Watch a MP4, press a button. Customize the PC anyway you like with autohotkey.
this is a really helpful version of windows for those that dualboot their steam decks. I can get around 5 and a half hours using this iso over the normal stock windows.
Since the other pc handhelds have been thrown out there I may as well bring up the one I preordered! Seeing a video of this running on the OXP2 would be sweet! Also, is there any mention of the telemetry being stripped out as well? I imagine it is but it’s something that still needs to be mentioned/asked.
The readme for this describes it as "non-serviceable" which I interpret as "no security updates". This machine will over time, become more and more vulnerable.
For slower and older systems, I also recommend installing an adblocker for web browsers. Not only does it speed some websites up, but it prevents popups and potential malware. I do this to any laptop I get from boomers and elderly folk. Saves me the headache I'll get from fixing their future mistakes. I ask them beforehand if they want to keep it or not.
yep - that's the reason I still use firefox. I've got a spate of extensions for adblocks, and some really nice tools for controlling video playback (magnification etc) as well as custom youtube handlers to filter out their autoplay nonsense and ads that try to get around adblock software.
I installed this on my AOKZOE handheld and it works for some games, but most require some services that have been removed. The performance delta wasn't worth it in my opinion
@@alx8439 - I have PiHole running. Seems to do a good job of blocking this. Also blocks Roku. Kinda nifty. I still want all of my updates for Windows, though.
@@alx8439 yup. Unless I hear about a major security patch issue, I tend not to. Especially after 3-4 years. I've had too many last-updates from Apple that brought my device to a crawl. Never again.
Good option, i haven't hear of this build so i will definitively take a look. Not sure if you know already or heard but there is also ReviOS, it has windows 10 and 11 versions and they are more robust that this TinyOs but at the same time lighter that the regular Microsoft builds. I'm running that on my pc and is way faster than with the regular builds.
Nice video and I am probably going to try this out on my Microsoft surface go. One thing you didn't mention and it may be important that was mentioned by another TH-camr reviewing tiny 11 is that tiny 11 is based off Windows 11 Pro and needs a Windows 11 Pro activation key so I guess if anyone watching this video and reading this comment wants to try it out you can do that for free but if you want to use it long-term and avoid a watermark you need to buy a license.
Hi samuelavery-quinn6965, i got an old surface go as well and am curious as to whether you installed tiny11 on yours? any issues or advice i could use?
installed Tiny11 on my AMD A6 processor , 8GB DDR3 ram, 320GB HDD desktop PC.. installation is straight forward and to all drivers, no problems.. yes it ran smooth.. I still reinstalled Edge, but Im using Brave browser. Updated windows, ran no problems. Installed some apps from MS Store like the Messenger, Facebook , and Roblox (just in case I want to play some games there), I can say its still faster compared to its full blown setup, considering Im using HDD..
After downloading and installing Tiny11 on my 1TB SSD drive using Rufus, I excitedly booted it up. However, my excitement was short-lived when I realized that it was already using around 20GB of storage, far exceeding my expectations for it that advertised as using only around 8GB to 9GB. It felt eerily similar to a stock Windows OS as it automatically installed drivers and programs, which is a rare sight for a modded Windows ISO. To add insult to injury, I was astonished to see that Windows Update was enabled on Tiny11. How peculiar, I thought to myself. Isn't this the very feature that Tiny11 boasts of being free from? I couldn't help but feel skeptical about my installation process, but the lack of bloatware or pre-installed browser reassured me that it was indeed Tiny11. Nevertheless, the possibility of an update reinstalling bloatware and defeating the purpose of using Tiny11 loomed over my head like a dark cloud.
@@zigenstern almost all games are playable perfectly on linux nowadays cept for the ones that implements a kernel level anti cheat which is clearly a violation to the user privacy
I have a few questions about this Tiny11 de-bloated OS 1) What about the Cumulative Update (AKA Patch Tuesday monthly updates)? Like fixed Zero Day Vulnerabilities, and other things. 2) Is hardware drivers are stable? Like the NVIDIA driver update did. 3) Is does have a Microsoft Defender installed? Security is a key to prevent a malicious software.
I distrust third party re-packs of OS's. You'll never know what they have packed in or modified code that could compromise your security. This is a great idea I'll admit. It would be nice to be able to trust it.
I just got done installing Tiny 11 on my 15 year old HP EliteBook 2530p with 3GB of RAM memory. The 12.1" laptop was unused for almost 10 years. After watching this video I decided to give Tiny 11 a try and the old under powered laptop runs Windows 11 (un-activated) quite nicely. I will try to increase the amount of DDR2 RAM memory so that it will be snappier. I also put in a 500GB SSD. I am using it to run emulators such as FB Neo and MAME via RetroArch. The latest Cave SHMUPS such as Akai Katana and DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou runs very well. Since Tiny 11 was built by someone on the internet that I do not personally know, I will not use this laptop for anything that would compromise my personal information.
@@TechGuru666 If its not open source (somehow) or if the distro isn't large enough for there to be a lot of eyes on said code I'd suggest against installing said distro.
I prefer the Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC for my emulation machine. I stripped out pretty much everything I don't need and have it running as an appliance with ES-DE as the frontend. Works a treat! I'd prefer a Linux distro instead but flexibility with my DS4 controllers just isn't there (such as DS4Windows + HIDHide provides).
It's better to install windows 10 Enterprise ltsc iot, because it has minimal bloatware as tiny11 but it has the official security updates and full functionality not like tiny11
I installed this as my primary gaming OS. I think there were a few more things that could have been stripped out of the build - I ran Windows Decrapifier on it, and got rid of a few more things. It runs, but some updates don't work (no big deal to me). Hardware seems to install okay. My system is a AMD Ryzen 9 5950X w 128 GB Ram and a Nvidia 3080ti.
I'm kinda curious when I hear about builds like this, is there a reason for that much ram (I.e. running professional software?) cuz that sounds like total overkill for even high end gaming.
@@Bustermachine No particular reason, just did it because I could. ;) The computer was to be used as a Hackintosh once upon a time, but I bought a Mac Studio for that...
I'm interested in using this for my gaming PC as well. I play Star Citizen and feel this OS would benefit gameplay even though I already have a good build. Have you ran into any issues?
Could you install this on a high end laptop and show some benchmarks before and after tiny11. Maybe there will be better performance in gaming because there is no bloatware.
I'd be interested to see if this has reduced power draw compared to stock Windows 11 on something like the WIN4 / AYANEO2. Outside of the APU itself, fan, disk, wireless and screen, the background OS is the largest remainder of power consumption so it could have some marginal improvement on power draw & battery life EDIT: Also curious how this compares to "Atlas OS", which is a very similar project
What would the difference be between installing full windows 11 on a high-end system and installing tiny 11 on the same high-end system? Would it give you more/less performance?
It won't necessarily give you a massive performance boost imo. The point of Tiny11 is to get rid of all the bloatware/3rd party nonsense. Another alternative to this would be Ghost spectre's windows 10/11 superlite. I have been using it for months on my main pc and others too
The impact would be minor at best on a high end system, the load the bloat puts on you system is prety negligible on high end systems so removing it won't help much. It really only matters for lower end systems.
Finally a 32GB netbook has a chance! I had to set my wifi to metered connection to stop updates and have not done an update in years because OS plus update kills the 32GB drive.
Here is how I know my Windoze or Linux installation is finally working (after debloating it) and ready to use: open task manager and make sure CPU usage on idle stays at 0 or 1 %; move the mouse around and it shouldn't go above 2 or 3 %. It is as simple as that.
@ETAPrime - I bought the same model laptop from Walmart yesterday, which was delivered this morning. I've since installed Tiny 11 following your video as closely as possible (you did skip some details), and Tiny 11 gets stuck looking for a network. Wifi worked with the original software (Windows 10), so I'm trying to figure out what's happening. Did you have to do anything special to get wifi working on the new install?
Finally solved it. I had to force the installation to go into Audit mode, CTRL+SHIFT+F3, I downloaded the adapter drivers to another thumb drive, then go into the deivce manager, find the broke network adapter, update its drivers from thumb drive, then reboot into OOBE and finish the installation. Bobs your uncle.
@@slash2podcast You rock! I already had the drivers downloaded and copied to my thumb drive, but I needed to learn about audit mode. I'm writing this comment on the laptop from Chrome. Thanks for posting the solution!
Excellent! Q: do you happen to know of anyone who has successfully installed tiny11 in a ramdisk, with or without a VM? BEST WAY is to allow RESTARTS withOUT needing to repeat a complete re-install of the entire OS. We've had much success with refurbished HP Z240 workstations, and they support up to 64GB of DDR4. A 10GB ramdisk would still leave 50GB+ for OS and application programs to operate normally.
If the author provided the script or steps of what to cut to manually make the ISO, instead of a premade one I would try it. But let's say I had been burned with premade Windows images in the past.
Thank you, I never knew this existed. I tried Atlas OS on a decent dell Laptop but the system is sluggish somehow and some functions don't work properly. So tried this on a fairly new gen Celeron laptop with 4GB ram, some updates were available so I did them , and the RAM usage shot up from under 1gb ram to 3GB utilized. I had to debloat it again with Chris Titus Script, and it's Windows 11 enterprise and I couldn't activate my Key with it.
I would like to see a lightweight Windows ISO tailored for Windows handheld gaming decks like the ROG Ally. Only the things you need to maintain compatibility, Windows Update, Xbox, and the Windows App Store probably would be a good idea to keep. Reduced RAM usage would be a great thing on these shared memory APU devices. Plus a reduction in CPU load isn’t a bad idea either. Though the RAM is the real kicker here. You could dedicate more to the graphics with less chance of causing problems from lack of system memory for the rest of the system.
Well it runs on very low system requirements but as soon as you start installing apps, it is no longer lag free or crash free.. Another thing is that some old pcs don't even connect to WiFi due to driver related problems.
Yo Eta love the content man been researching fora minute about tiny 11 and its downloading updates of the latest features not sure if thats supposed to happen so im just letting it run its course right now unless you or someone chimes in otherwise i can just reinstal. Please lmk thanks love the chanel dude! 🤘🏻
I've come to realize that most of the bloat on Windows is for compatibility reasons. It's the reason that most software, even legacy, work out of the box. Contrast this to something as lean as Linux which breaks software support with every major release. With containers such as flatpaks and appimages this has become less of a problem but on Windows it's still less of a hassle.
Linux doesn't break software support because linux is a kernel, it supports the hardware, not the software, and the hardware it support can be really, really really old, you can install modern linux on 1998 era computer and it should still work. What you are referring to are the libraries and frameworks, it is software on top of which other developers build their end user applications, yes these things break all the time, because developers don't want to keep supporting their own old software/libraries, they jump on new shiny thing and the old thing is let to rot. By using flatpack or other solutions what you are doing essentially is you pulling big pile of rotten software/libraries to your system and duplicate everything so that each package can refer to their needed libraries, even if it is old, not secure or whatever, I cannot call this an elequent solution to the problem. The solution is to write software the Unix way, less code, make it do only small set of functions, then perfect this software and support it for 20-30 years. Unfortunately this is very far from the world of programming we are having today.
I'd still recommend a 4gb ram system, unless you plan on never updating or having anything load at boot and never having an antivirus, slowly the ram amount required will creep back up near to usual required amounts. source: myself who runs a de-bloated os on my laptop
I have a 7-year old laptop that runs with 4GB RAM, and a 1.6GHz Intel Pentium Processor, so I think Tiny11 would run there because all I do with that is browse the internet.
I LIKE the idea, I'm going to do some tests to make sure it's safe for me. 1. Run it on multiple anti viruses 2. After the installation, imma run Wireshark to see if something sus is there, re run an anti-virus inside the system
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Imagine if Microsoft actually made the operating system bloat free. I am considering this for business use as well.
They totally could. Windows could be the fastest and most lightweight desktop OS if MS wanted. But it's a corporation, and Windows relies on hardware sales and lots of data collection to be profitable, they need a whole lot of processes running in the background, and don't care about making old devices unusable with their OS.
MS have a desktop OS monopoly, many professional applications and games still don't run on Linux, so they're still not worried about loosing their market-share, no matter how shitty their attitude is.
@@WolfiiDog13 Actually a lot of window's bloat comes from the stuff they add into it that is for third party, mostly the companies that make the computer you're using
Same. It takes a lot of time creating new images for our company to deploy out to our mini-PCs and laptops because of us needing to remove all the bloatware. Not sure how updates work with this mini version of Windows though. Just hoping the bloat won't return after updates are applied. Otherwise I am very interested in testing this out.
@@victorkreig6089 Let's be honest, it's both.
There's a TON of backwards compatibility baked into windows OS still going back all the way to XP as well as basic drivers to handle vast swaths of different hardware produced over decade(s) at least well enough to detect and talk to that hardware in order to find and install better drivers.
That's not ideal, but I also get it.
But Windows is also crammed with bloat that I cannot remove and do not want, like Cortana, which can only be shut off, not removed entirely, and god knows how much data scraping.
@@beanshady if the bloat isn't present on your computer, it won't be updated or reinstalled.
If you deploy images at work, you should have an idea about how to remove these apps from the wim image prior creating the corporate image (if you are not the one preparing the image, then my apologies).
That said, look it up. It's quite straight forward for a techie person.
Dang you actually covered it. I hope to see more of this OS in gaming and emulation. Love your videos and you're channel is honestly one of the one's I look out for when stuff like this gets released.
This would be perfect for those HDMI PC sticks also, many of them shipped with 60gb drives and are unusable now. This could potentialy bring a lot of tech back to life! Great vid.
For those with missing Wifi Drivers, Finally solved it. I had to force the installation to go into Audit mode, CTRL+SHIFT+F3, I downloaded the adapter drivers to another thumb drive, then go into the device manager, find the broke network adapter, update its drivers from thumb drive, then reboot into OOBE and finish the installation. Bobs your uncle.
This appears to be a great option for older PCs. In the past I have resorted to Linux distributions for keeping end of life Windows laptops in a usable state, but with mixed results. Thank you for the video.
If someone has an older PC, it cannot support beyond Directx 9, so there is no point in it having beyond Windows 7, which already uses far less resources than Windows 11, and also has lite versions that use even less.
@@lepayen i have older like 13 year's old pc and i can run w10 with out problem.
@@mpischannel1832 Did you even read my entire comment? Because your response would assume I was saying that you can not run windows 10, which has absolutely not one thing to do with my comment...
@lepayen Not all the comment but now i read it
It would be cool if there was like a Tiny11 preset for NTLite or even a standalone script / utility for making the necessary modifications to the system files. This way Microsoft will have basically no legal ground to stop the OS from getting into the hands of users. Additionally such a script could be open source, allowing the community to make improvements. Even if it is a closed source utility, there would be potential for custom presets that work better than in NTLite. It would also make Windows modification more accessible
Something like MSMG toolkit and CTT winutil?
The developer actually left NTLite "Auto-saved.xml" script inside the ISO.
Chris Titus Tech has a gamer preset for 10 and 11. It trims a lot out including the MS store app.
You can take this tiny iso and cut it more with NTLite)
I saw a video from Craft Computing that goes over a GitHub utility that does exactly this. You can even choose what gets removed, what each "service" does, etc. Can't recall what the utility's called though
For people who are confused like me.
The files are called B1 and B2 for Beta1 and Beta2 (2 is newer). The torrent does NOT include version with no system requirements, but Rufus can already take care of that for you.
Mine has no wifi? Any ideas?
@@kingfish600 I am in the same boat... let me know if you figure it out.
@@kingfish600 connect to ethernet and let windows download wifi drivers for your wifi adapter
This seems like the perfect thing to keep older windows tablets running a modernized OS. Something like a Surface 4 with those 6th gen i7s and i5s and 4-8GB of RAM would benefit quite a lot.
Do you know if the touch features will work?
@@dagoat3162 I have 0 clue. Only one way to find out I guess.
@@dagoat3162 there's a possibility they removed touch drivers so it's not gonna work, but I'm not sure, needs testing
@@丶丷 Thanks for the reply, I'm hoping they didn't remove the touch drivers
I might give it a go on my surface go.
freaking awesome! I'm now using this build on my HP laptop. i5-8250u / 16GB Ram. yeah, it's overkill to run this on my laptop, but i despise the bloatware in windows. using this build is way better than running the debloat ps scripts. this build appears to be the Windows Enterprise version. I have an msdn account through work and it took my Windows 10 Pro product license key without issue. thanks for shining a light on Tiny11.
I use Superlite SE, which is also a modified Windows 11 ISO but it uses even less RAM. Just 0.9GB out of 4GB installed on my 10 year old laptop. There's no Store app, no MS account requirement, no Edge, and there's versions that don't even have Defender (which is what i'm using). It honestly feels like a free hardware upgrade, everything is much snappier, it's very noticeable. It has a large improvement to minimum frame rates with some games too. Infact it's mostly aimed at gaming but also happens to be ideal for old hardware. You should do a vid on it with benchmarks....
@@plebius Yeah it's updated regularly, including Windows preview builds.
@@ItPutsTheLotionOnItsSkin can u tell from whete you downloaded it
This could work great with the Steam Deck, be it on SD card or SSD, it would definitely open up storage beyond the OS on the medium used, not to mention more RAM for games, even with the UMA buffer set to 4GB.
Definitely would like to see a vid on it!
This was my thought as well, hope he does a video on it for dual boot.
I second this, really hope ETA Prime does a video on this.
GOD YES please! I'm sure I could DIY, but it'd be nice to see a run thru by my fave geek.
What's the virtualization capabilities of the Deck? Rather than dual boot for the rare times Windows is entirely needed, I'd be more interested in seeing Tiny11 virtualized with relevant file storage local to the Deck itself; essentially, make Tiny11 an application via a VM environment that points to a folder for all the Windows-relevant programs and files.
The one hiccup I think there is in that for me is IIRC xbox game services aren't here.. though if they can be installed, and things update normally? I would 100% reload my WinDeck with this.
I love the idea of debloated windows, but it is always a big security risk on dailying a modified windows build that you're not sure is trustworthy. Maybe this one is, i don't know.
Personally I wouldn't risk it. It's not from an official source and you have no idea what's on it. If your system is running this slow then ie would be a good idea to either install Linux, Windows 10 or save some money and upgrade.
You can make your own custom install.
been running ghoste spectres isos for 2 years never had an issue and i have it on multiple systems still requires a key and has defender and official updates but extremely lightweight
I know the guy behind tiny11 and has said what programs he used.
its called MSMG Toolkit and you can use it too for free.
I have used it for a making a minimal windows 10 1607 install and works perfectly
@@josephdias5859 Same never had no issues with ghost spectre since he started
I know more or less what they remove or with which programs they could do it (I did it myself, but it takes a while), it's not magic, it's just knowing which processes are the ones that almost nobody uses, especially if it's only for playing games or office.
Could you please tell me? I'd like to do this to my windows 10 nuc which has trouble to run great with all the bloatware.
@@Phoenix_1991 it's a long list of what to do but the primary target of debloat windows 10 and 11 is on UWP Apps.
@Feisal Jauhari Tufail
this, I don't know if my post appeared because I put a link, just in case, as it says here.
Actually there’s a lot more to it that that. It removes telemetry stuff as well, etc. it’s way better than running vainilla Windows 10 or 11 and trying to strip it down. This is based off of Enterprise images.
@@MarcosCodas does it require Enterprise license key to activate?
I remember used Tiny 7 and Tiny XP back in the day. Great stuff.
I still use a tiny 7 from Experience sometimes, real good
Great video as always. We would also love a video that compare gaming and emulation between tiny 11 and a stock Windows 11 install to see if there is an actual difference.
Yeah.
I installed on a VM within my Proxmox a couple of days back. Set it up with 1.5Gb RAM and 2 vCPUs. It's rocking it! I use that for random stuff and testing usability for general purposes and going great so far.
I'll do the same, I needed a windows sandbox. Thanks for sharing your experience
I did it with a Dual Xeon E5-2690 V2 assigned 2 CPU’s with 3 cores/6 threads(6cores/12threads total)(host) and only 16Gb of memory. And it runs pretty good. IBM System X3650 M4 with 2x Quaddro K6000 and 192Gb of Ram. I also run XPenology DS3622xsp on it Alpine Linux for my docker containers(pi-hole, Frigate, portainer, Odoo, Syncthing, nginx proxy manager, Home Assistant and unbound) as Well as HiveOS and Kali. Those old servers are really versatile and powerful. But Tiny11 missed too much features. So installed Ghost Spectre afterwards. It’s way better
How did you manage to install on proxmox I'm trying to do same but somehow struggling and no idea why
@@manojkhatri1788 I used GhostSpectre it installed with no problems immediately through Proxmox with an AMD R5 GPU Passthrough 12 Xeon E5-2670-V2 cores(24 threads) set as Host Processor and 16 Gb of the 128Gb of memory assigned. I think GhostSpectre is way better than Tiny11
@@manojkhatri1788 What are you struggling with? what problem do you have?
I've been hearing about Tiny11. Honestly I'm mostly interested which drawbacks it has. To be so extremely shrunk down, it must have lost some capabilities. What is still left? What functions did we loose? Is it still secure? Do we have Windows Defender / Firewall, etc.? Do we have updates available? These are all important questions in my opinion that haven't been answered. And not gonna lie, I'm gonna educate myself right now.
But would be great content for a follow up video ;)
Let us know what you find.
From what I know, updates from Microsoft aren't available so I don't know how or even if you can get security updates.
Id be skeptical, especially in terms of security, not just in terms of updates. you should probably just make ur own custom windows iso, its pretty ez theres tutorials.
Love to see a follow up on this as well
You'll need to read articles on it. Most TH-camrs cover the most basic crap w/ these OSes. They just want the views from something unordinary like a light W11 but don't actually care about helping much
I was wondering why you hadn't talked about Windows customized version as they improve the 1% and 0.1% FPS on many many games making the experience much smoother.
Great video!
can you elaborate? is it called "windows customized version" or are you calling it that? i'm interested
@@vdfritzz search for "Ghost Spectre Windows 11 Superlite" and go down the rabbit hole.
@@vdfritzz its the windows he's talking about in this video, downloadlink is in the discription..
Those 200-300 meg idle seems a bit dubious since
1. Its not idling at 300 megs with spare memory but bottlenecked to 300 megs
2. The SSD usage is 100% on both images and that could mean the system is swapping to drive since there’s not enough memory which could make the ssd wear out much quicker, and since ssds arent as fast as system memory (RAM) its going to be a bit laggy as well.
For machines with really low memory I would recommend a light weight linux distribution instead because you can actually have a low resource usage and have spare memory left for doing actual work.
Even tho most people dont like linux and dont wanna use it cus it’s unfamiliar, its a better alternative for these lower end machines. + theres no microsoft / google spyware and its free.
“No ms / g spyware” boy do I have a bridge to sell you
@@umamifan don't understand. Please explain to me.(really)
@@Jhakaas_Jai As requested: The expression means that the person you are saying it to is gullible enough to believe you when you offer to sell them a well know landmark as if you owned it. It's an old expression usually associated with the Brooklyn Bridge and very gullible bumpkins visiting the "big city" for the first time. ;-]
@@robertcartier5088 I was asking about if linux has spyware or not.....if it has please name them and if you know how to remove them. I use linux so.....
@@Jhakaas_Jai and yet, none of that was in the question you actually asked. Nevermind. Good luck.
Working on getting Windows 7 running on my Ryzen 7950x with 128gb of RAM
Until then using ZOrin OS on it, and using WIndows 7 still like a power user dream in 2023 on my FX-8350.
It would rock if this could be installed in an ARM device. The AYN Odin Base suddenly looks like it could handle Windows. 😍
@@obvious_giraffe8386 yes, but it's not minimal
@@obvious_giraffe8386 I'm sure they will get right on that. 👍
I've tested a bunch of Windows 7 and 10 _Lite_ versions over the course of the years and I always run into problems after a while. At first it seems to run fine and snappy but then a game won't run because of some thing the was removed; programs won't work properly out of the blue, Windows Update will glitch, driver issues may appear, etc. It's like playing with the unexpected. These days I rather prefer to install the full version of Windows 10 or 11 and from that just make my own tweaks with third party tools (Winaero, ThisIsWin11, DControl, Windows Ultimate Toolbox, and whatever I find usefull), and even by only doing this I still have gone through issues (but by only tweaking the basics you can get a big improvement, just like these problematic stripped down versions). So I don't think is worth it installing this kinda of modified version on your main computer, maybe on a secondary on. Having to throubleshoot stuff and never finding an answer and then having to format it again is really frustating.
I recognize your expertise sir. However, I want to ask. Does this lite OS not come with updates or optimizations?
@@troyguererro0898 nope no ability to update. Optimizations are none only are just removing apps
Yeahhhh everyone's all curious about this but a lot of those people don't understand Windows well. MS puts so much shit on it that isn't bloatware, which is the only thing most think about. I am skipping all these lite versions and going to Linux w/ my retro laptops!! (first-time Linux user) 😎
@@troyguererro0898 Same happened for me. Cannot update security updates. And other updates. Some say it is because onedrive is missing. Trying to add those folders back in WinSxS and see.
@@LordGryllwotth man, it sounds like a real hassle huh. What programs are you trying to install?
Love the vid, maybe try Tiny 11 on some PC handhelds like the Ayaneo devices to see if it squeezes any more performance out of games on limited gaming hardware
+1 for this!
Really cool. I am concerned about the security implications of the OS personally.
Yeah, I think I would try it on a vm first
Go for linux
Thanks so much for this video. I was able to breath life back into my old laptop using this info!
This is awesome. I can use some older PCs that I can turn into simple arcades using launchbox well bigbox. This great to hear.
I have an older version, Tiny10, running my my Thinkpad (model X230) and it has run butter smooth for the last few months. I'm definitely gonna "upgrade" to T11. 👍🏼
I got an x260 as well, does the tiny 10 get security updates?
@Kunal I haven't done a Windows Update session yet. I wanted to see how it responds to all of the hardware driver updates first. I will give it a try this weekend and will post an update.
@@HunterKiotori I haven't done a Windows Update session yet. I wanted to see how it responds to all of the hardware driver updates first. I will give it a try this weekend and will post an update.
@@RCfromtheNYC damn, that OS can literally run on a pentium 3 with less than 400 mb ram. I sincerely wished it has an option for phones because with iOS and Android as major platforms, it's getting boring nowadays
@Lavenderfawn you should use it trust me it's incredible!...
That was interesting.
I have an old (circa 2011) Toshiba laptop with an AMD E450. I tried both the Tiny 10 and the Tiny11 and the 11 beat the pants off the 10. Ran 11 better than it ran 10 or even W7 Home, which it came with. Having 8 GB RAM is probably one of the reasons. All the current updates installed without any problem or errors. It even pulled a digital W11 Pro license out of MS, versus Tiny 10 not registering at all. And as my W7 was for Home, I am surprised.
Snappy is not quite what I would call it but much less laggy than W10 Home was.
too bad the windows update turns it into a bloated windows again
I've been watching several videos for the Tiny 11, and your's was the best and precise and clear and Zero fuss....thank you. Subscribed
Thank you for sharing about this! Downloading it as I'm typing.
This would be a good way to dualboot for the Steam Deck IF some games in your library are hostile to Proton, but would only dual boot when playing said game.
I have some major concerns:
A) Will there be any problems down the line trying to install software or hardware such as a basic webcam?
B) Is it as secure as vanilla Win11? Can one use it for online banking?
C) Will it not become slow over the course of months of use?
Personally, on a laptop with low specs I would use some lightweight Linux distro. It should be much more secure and more reliable.
My big question really is related to B, will security updates still work?
Use Linux for banking
Webcams don't work, at least on Tiny 10. No issues with software so far, though. 6 months in. I get security updates with the latest version of Tiny 10 and use it for banking, not issues so far. But I do most of my banking from my phone. 6 months in, it's not significantly slower than it was when I first installed it. But I recommend Tiny 10 over Tiny 11 because the development is much more mature. Tiny 11 is newer and some things don't yet work, that do on Tiny 10.
@@MarcosCodas
Thank you for your detailed reply! Very informative!!
I don't think even stock windows 11 is secure for online banking lol
I wonder if this works on (older) surfaces, too. Would love an in-depth review about the OS with advantages and disadvantages and possible secuity issues.
Feels like it‘s to good to be true. But thanks for the video and making me aware! More, please! ❤
@@triynizzles I installed on my old surface go and I can't access the Microsoft app store and when I try to install chrome or edge I get an error message.
@@triynizzles pentium r
@@triynizzles yea I moved over the chrome installer and edge... Both give me errors
@@triynizzles Thank's for letting me know (replying to the original answer here), great news!
I guess I'll try it, soon!
It doesn’t work lol
Hey thanks great video. Installed on HP Stream successfully, I now have a usable laptop again with some available hard space.
I am now able to have Windows updates again. Had to manually Activate Windows, which has been the only issue.
Great tutorial, just got the system started. No filler content or extra words just important info fantastic video
Tiny 11 looks cool but i still prefer using Linux for older systems.
Autohotkey is perfect for windows. You can customize buttons to go directly where you want to go. Anything on windows system you can customize to your needs. Wanna run a certain game, press a button and go directly there no waiting. Need notepad, press a button. Watch a MP4, press a button. Customize the PC anyway you like with autohotkey.
@@100Bucks nah
I prefer running every thing with python, shellscript, and rofi on Linux
this is a really helpful version of windows for those that dualboot their steam decks. I can get around 5 and a half hours using this iso over the normal stock windows.
I loaded it up on a surface pro 1 and haven’t had time to really check it out yet, hopefully it will bring it back to life.
I'm exited to try this on my 2012 mac mini through Bootcamp
Since the other pc handhelds have been thrown out there I may as well bring up the one I preordered! Seeing a video of this running on the OXP2 would be sweet! Also, is there any mention of the telemetry being stripped out as well? I imagine it is but it’s something that still needs to be mentioned/asked.
The readme for this describes it as "non-serviceable" which I interpret as "no security updates". This machine will over time, become more and more vulnerable.
Windows is inherently insecure being a Microsoft product. The (((people))) in Microsoft already have your data.
TempleOS is the most secure.
For slower and older systems, I also recommend installing an adblocker for web browsers. Not only does it speed some websites up, but it prevents popups and potential malware. I do this to any laptop I get from boomers and elderly folk. Saves me the headache I'll get from fixing their future mistakes. I ask them beforehand if they want to keep it or not.
yep - that's the reason I still use firefox. I've got a spate of extensions for adblocks, and some really nice tools for controlling video playback (magnification etc) as well as custom youtube handlers to filter out their autoplay nonsense and ads that try to get around adblock software.
Thx bro this helped me I was stuck with windows home and it was troubling and now I'm good
Great edition, Thanx for your work!! ;-)
I installed this on my AOKZOE handheld and it works for some games, but most require some services that have been removed. The performance delta wasn't worth it in my opinion
You can’t use Xbox game pass so I didn’t end up using it on my aokzoe
One problem brought up by others is security updates. They may not work with Tiny 11. Can you check on this?
You'll need to keep the Tiny11 PC disconnected from the internet in order to allay security concerns.
The biggest security concern of Windows is Microsoft themselves. They collect and phone home about everything you do.
@@alx8439 - I have PiHole running. Seems to do a good job of blocking this. Also blocks Roku. Kinda nifty.
I still want all of my updates for Windows, though.
@@Zoyx sure, your choice. But to me, the rule of thumb is: if it's working - don't update it
@@alx8439 yup. Unless I hear about a major security patch issue, I tend not to. Especially after 3-4 years. I've had too many last-updates from Apple that brought my device to a crawl. Never again.
Good option, i haven't hear of this build so i will definitively take a look. Not sure if you know already or heard but there is also ReviOS, it has windows 10 and 11 versions and they are more robust that this TinyOs but at the same time lighter that the regular Microsoft builds. I'm running that on my pc and is way faster than with the regular builds.
ghoste spectre windows 11 kickass
Nexus lite's builds are much lighter in general but idk if anticheat is working
Nice video and I am probably going to try this out on my Microsoft surface go. One thing you didn't mention and it may be important that was mentioned by another TH-camr reviewing tiny 11 is that tiny 11 is based off Windows 11 Pro and needs a Windows 11 Pro activation key so I guess if anyone watching this video and reading this comment wants to try it out you can do that for free but if you want to use it long-term and avoid a watermark you need to buy a license.
Hi samuelavery-quinn6965, i got an old surface go as well and am curious as to whether you installed tiny11 on yours? any issues or advice i could use?
What kind of license to I need to buy to activate it?
installed Tiny11 on my AMD A6 processor , 8GB DDR3 ram, 320GB HDD desktop PC.. installation is straight forward and to all drivers, no problems.. yes it ran smooth.. I still reinstalled Edge, but Im using Brave browser. Updated windows, ran no problems. Installed some apps from MS Store like the Messenger, Facebook , and Roblox (just in case I want to play some games there), I can say its still faster compared to its full blown setup, considering Im using HDD..
After downloading and installing Tiny11 on my 1TB SSD drive using Rufus, I excitedly booted it up. However, my excitement was short-lived when I realized that it was already using around 20GB of storage, far exceeding my expectations for it that advertised as using only around 8GB to 9GB. It felt eerily similar to a stock Windows OS as it automatically installed drivers and programs, which is a rare sight for a modded Windows ISO. To add insult to injury, I was astonished to see that Windows Update was enabled on Tiny11. How peculiar, I thought to myself. Isn't this the very feature that Tiny11 boasts of being free from? I couldn't help but feel skeptical about my installation process, but the lack of bloatware or pre-installed browser reassured me that it was indeed Tiny11. Nevertheless, the possibility of an update reinstalling bloatware and defeating the purpose of using Tiny11 loomed over my head like a dark cloud.
that’s why you run Ghost Spectre. Way better than Tiny11
@@ernestoditerribile
Indeed!
I went straight to Ghost Spectre & did not bother trying Tiny11
Would love to see this on the steamdeck or really any x86 handhelds in general, especially the weaker Vega systems
why the hell would you put this windows crap on steamdeck?? Its got a way superior and free os
@@rikxdragneel5290 better game compatibility, and for a lot of folks, Linux desktop environment is a lot harder to use
@@zigenstern almost all games are playable perfectly on linux nowadays cept for the ones that implements a kernel level anti cheat which is clearly a violation to the user privacy
@@zigenstern and also linux is way easier to install and use than windows
@@rikxdragneel5290 for your maybe, not for everyone
I run Debian on older machines. it's amazing.
My laptop runs Mint XFCE on a 15 year old Celeron! 🤣 It's still pretty quick, but just for light office tasks and only a bit of retro gaming.
I got Asus with 4gb ram and installed Kali Linux on it. Works well
Fantastic! I have an i5 mini computer that I want to install somethis on. I may go with this or the Chrome OS. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I have a few questions about this Tiny11 de-bloated OS
1) What about the Cumulative Update (AKA Patch Tuesday monthly updates)? Like fixed Zero Day Vulnerabilities, and other things.
2) Is hardware drivers are stable? Like the NVIDIA driver update did.
3) Is does have a Microsoft Defender installed? Security is a key to prevent a malicious software.
From my test I can still update using windows update.. What I notice on my first windows update it update the cumulative and defender
I'm shocked you've not put a disclaimer about downloading image's from an unofficial source
It's not a official OS. It's sources are already unofficial. Also this is for older or under spec systems.
Wondering how tiny11 would run on the steamdeck. Might be exactly what i've been looking for.
I distrust third party re-packs of OS's. You'll never know what they have packed in or modified code that could compromise your security. This is a great idea I'll admit. It would be nice to be able to trust it.
I just got done installing Tiny 11 on my 15 year old HP EliteBook 2530p with 3GB of RAM memory. The 12.1" laptop was unused for almost 10 years. After watching this video I decided to give Tiny 11 a try and the old under powered laptop runs Windows 11 (un-activated) quite nicely. I will try to increase the amount of DDR2 RAM memory so that it will be snappier. I also put in a 500GB SSD. I am using it to run emulators such as FB Neo and MAME via RetroArch. The latest Cave SHMUPS such as Akai Katana and DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou runs very well. Since Tiny 11 was built by someone on the internet that I do not personally know, I will not use this laptop for anything that would compromise my personal information.
DON'T INSTALL WINDOWS FROM RANDOM WEBSITES
its fine...he;s been making these windows versions for a long time
@@TechGuru666 Sorry but no. Gonna need a bit more then that. Doing this is a huge security nightmare.
@@DarudeSandworm so I guess you'd be against installing some non mainstream linux os then as well?
@@TechGuru666 If its not open source (somehow) or if the distro isn't large enough for there to be a lot of eyes on said code I'd suggest against installing said distro.
I'd love to see a battery life comparison in a slightly higher end laptop.
Is this something that would benefit steamdeck users who prefer running windows?
Firstly, love your videos!
Would be really interested to see Windows 11 Tiny or Steam-Deck if have time!
Fantastic. Simple but complete info
I prefer the Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC for my emulation machine. I stripped out pretty much everything I don't need and have it running as an appliance with ES-DE as the frontend. Works a treat! I'd prefer a Linux distro instead but flexibility with my DS4 controllers just isn't there (such as DS4Windows + HIDHide provides).
This should be great for steam deck dual boot, simple, basic and quick
It's better to install windows 10 Enterprise ltsc iot, because it has minimal bloatware as tiny11 but it has the official security updates and full functionality not like tiny11
@@DeadAmericanBestAmerican How? Microsoft stopped selling it in Jan.
@@mgabrysSF You need to sail the high seas to obtain it. You can look in Reddit for more answers
@@DeadAmericanBestAmerican nah - I'm going to have legacy and work data running on it. Needs to be legit. Plus -1 for even saying 'reddit'. XD
I installed this as my primary gaming OS. I think there were a few more things that could have been stripped out of the build - I ran Windows Decrapifier on it, and got rid of a few more things. It runs, but some updates don't work (no big deal to me). Hardware seems to install okay. My system is a AMD Ryzen 9 5950X w 128 GB Ram and a Nvidia 3080ti.
I'm kinda curious when I hear about builds like this, is there a reason for that much ram (I.e. running professional software?) cuz that sounds like total overkill for even high end gaming.
@@Bustermachine No particular reason, just did it because I could. ;) The computer was to be used as a Hackintosh once upon a time, but I bought a Mac Studio for that...
I'm interested in using this for my gaming PC as well. I play Star Citizen and feel this OS would benefit gameplay even though I already have a good build. Have you ran into any issues?
I'd be interested to hear how this goes as a gaming OS as well.
Does the Xbox/Gamepass app still work?
Is your primary gaming OS offline only? Why do you think security patches not working can be shrugged off? I'm very curious about that viewpoint.
This is awesome definitely getting this
I installed it on a 4gb ram laptop and the speed increase is amazing!! Thanks for the video.👍 😊
Could you install this on a high end laptop and show some benchmarks before and after tiny11. Maybe there will be better performance in gaming because there is no bloatware.
I would be interested in gaming and emulation testing. I am still on windows 10 and hate the idea of getting even more bloat to upgrade.
This is not for gaming
Or emulation
I'd be interested to see if this has reduced power draw compared to stock Windows 11 on something like the WIN4 / AYANEO2.
Outside of the APU itself, fan, disk, wireless and screen, the background OS is the largest remainder of power consumption so it could have some marginal improvement on power draw & battery life
EDIT: Also curious how this compares to "Atlas OS", which is a very similar project
This is also something I'm hoping for. Take all that bloat out, and ideally it should be better, but it's still windows.
1M! Congrats.
currently using it on my laptop and it's great 🙌🙌
Would have liked to have seen the memory usage on a clean install of Windows 11 so all the preinstalled OEM bloatware was gone.
windows 11 have bloatware besides the oem installed bloat
Can you do some bench mark about this version on a steamdeck or gpdwin4 to see the difference ?
Likely a terrible experience likely remains a terrible experience with regard to gaming.
What would the difference be between installing full windows 11 on a high-end system and installing tiny 11 on the same high-end system? Would it give you more/less performance?
It won't necessarily give you a massive performance boost imo. The point of Tiny11 is to get rid of all the bloatware/3rd party nonsense. Another alternative to this would be Ghost spectre's windows 10/11 superlite. I have been using it for months on my main pc and others too
The impact would be minor at best on a high end system, the load the bloat puts on you system is prety negligible on high end systems so removing it won't help much. It really only matters for lower end systems.
Finally a 32GB netbook has a chance! I had to set my wifi to metered connection to stop updates and have not done an update in years because OS plus update kills the 32GB drive.
Here is how I know my Windoze or Linux installation is finally working (after debloating it) and ready to use: open task manager and make sure CPU usage on idle stays at 0 or 1 %; move the mouse around and it shouldn't go above 2 or 3 %. It is as simple as that.
It's called move to Linux lol
@ETAPrime - I bought the same model laptop from Walmart yesterday, which was delivered this morning. I've since installed Tiny 11 following your video as closely as possible (you did skip some details), and Tiny 11 gets stuck looking for a network. Wifi worked with the original software (Windows 10), so I'm trying to figure out what's happening. Did you have to do anything special to get wifi working on the new install?
I am in the EXCACT same situation as you!! No Network adapter.
Same!!!! What the heck!!
@etaprime any thoughts?
Finally solved it. I had to force the installation to go into Audit mode, CTRL+SHIFT+F3, I downloaded the adapter drivers to another thumb drive, then go into the deivce manager, find the broke network adapter, update its drivers from thumb drive, then reboot into OOBE and finish the installation. Bobs your uncle.
@@slash2podcast You rock! I already had the drivers downloaded and copied to my thumb drive, but I needed to learn about audit mode. I'm writing this comment on the laptop from Chrome. Thanks for posting the solution!
remember back in my school days,i wasn't able to afford newer PC hardware,but using stripped down windows xp to prolong my PC lifespan
Excellent! Q: do you happen to know of anyone who has successfully installed tiny11 in a ramdisk, with or without a VM?
BEST WAY is to allow RESTARTS withOUT needing to repeat a complete re-install of the entire OS.
We've had much success with refurbished HP Z240 workstations, and they support up to 64GB of DDR4.
A 10GB ramdisk would still leave 50GB+ for OS and application programs to operate normally.
this is the best video you have ever uploaded. no joke!
Got this working on my pixelbook its amazing, the only thing was retrieving the drivers that took a little while
Thx ETA, I will try to install this on my Kangaroo Plus Mini PC
If the author provided the script or steps of what to cut to manually make the ISO, instead of a premade one I would try it. But let's say I had been burned with premade Windows images in the past.
This will likely find its way onto the handheld PCs. Awesome.
Thank you, I never knew this existed. I tried Atlas OS on a decent dell Laptop but the system is sluggish somehow and some functions don't work properly.
So tried this on a fairly new gen Celeron laptop with 4GB ram, some updates were available so I did them , and the RAM usage shot up from under 1gb ram to 3GB utilized. I had to debloat it again with Chris Titus Script, and it's Windows 11 enterprise and I couldn't activate my Key with it.
I would like to see a lightweight Windows ISO tailored for Windows handheld gaming decks like the ROG Ally.
Only the things you need to maintain compatibility, Windows Update, Xbox, and the Windows App Store probably would be a good idea to keep.
Reduced RAM usage would be a great thing on these shared memory APU devices. Plus a reduction in CPU load isn’t a bad idea either. Though the RAM is the real kicker here. You could dedicate more to the graphics with less chance of causing problems from lack of system memory for the rest of the system.
Plenty of people across the pond be able to help you and the Wizard. It's crazy but it's not as complicated as it looks.
I am sooo pro linux but installed tiny 11 and super impressed , Super snappy 🙂
Well it runs on very low system requirements but as soon as you start installing apps, it is no longer lag free or crash free..
Another thing is that some old pcs don't even connect to WiFi due to driver related problems.
Yo Eta love the content man been researching fora minute about tiny 11 and its downloading updates of the latest features not sure if thats supposed to happen so im just letting it run its course right now unless you or someone chimes in otherwise i can just reinstal. Please lmk thanks love the chanel dude! 🤘🏻
wow really cool i mite just try it out :) cool video :)
I've come to realize that most of the bloat on Windows is for compatibility reasons. It's the reason that most software, even legacy, work out of the box. Contrast this to something as lean as Linux which breaks software support with every major release. With containers such as flatpaks and appimages this has become less of a problem but on Windows it's still less of a hassle.
Linux doesn't break software support because linux is a kernel, it supports the hardware, not the software, and the hardware it support can be really, really really old, you can install modern linux on 1998 era computer and it should still work.
What you are referring to are the libraries and frameworks, it is software on top of which other developers build their end user applications, yes these things break all the time, because developers don't want to keep supporting their own old software/libraries, they jump on new shiny thing and the old thing is let to rot.
By using flatpack or other solutions what you are doing essentially is you pulling big pile of rotten software/libraries to your system and duplicate everything so that each package can refer to their needed libraries, even if it is old, not secure or whatever, I cannot call this an elequent solution to the problem. The solution is to write software the Unix way, less code, make it do only small set of functions, then perfect this software and support it for 20-30 years. Unfortunately this is very far from the world of programming we are having today.
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Example please...
I'd still recommend a 4gb ram system, unless you plan on never updating or having anything load at boot and never having an antivirus, slowly the ram amount required will creep back up near to usual required amounts.
source: myself who runs a de-bloated os on my laptop
Windows defender is sufficient if you don't go on shady sites.
This is nice 😊. Thank you 😁👍
I have a 7-year old laptop that runs with 4GB RAM, and a 1.6GHz Intel Pentium Processor, so I think Tiny11 would run there because all I do with that is browse the internet.
I LIKE the idea, I'm going to do some tests to make sure it's safe for me.
1. Run it on multiple anti viruses
2. After the installation, imma run Wireshark to see if something sus is there, re run an anti-virus inside the system