I don't think either one will be fired after this season, Kevin Stefanski is the reigning coach of the year, he will be given at least one more season to fix things. But I think that their chief strategy officer will have to chart a different strategy after this season. They might have to go back to drafting and developing players and get rid of the high priced players that are underperforming. If the Browns are sitting at 1 or 2 wins by trade deadline, then I think they need to do a fire sale, get rid of every high priced player they can and collect draft picks. It will mean a couple of bad years, but if the Commanders can change their fate, then why can't the Browns. I would be willing to part with Watson, Cooper, Chubb, Bitonio, Teller, Garrett, Wills, Conklin, Emerson, Delpit, Jeudy, Bell, Moore etc. Start fresh with a bunch of high round draft picks and a mixture a middle of the road free agents and just continue to rebuild the team from there.
Agreed! The entire low IQ Browns Ivy League Brain Trust of Berry, DePodesta and Stefanski need to be walking out of Browns HQ. Don't pack your belongings, JUST LEAVE!!!! It's really a joke that DePodesta had ZERO football experience when he joined the Browns. His entire background is BASEBALL!!! He is/was on the board of directors at Sears so he has experience driving a business into the ground.
I mean he’s been watching a lot of football all these years as much as we have as much as these guys talking watch and get paid to comment on there’s more to this team that meet eye…we didn’t know they were holes ..but we know now so he actually looks like a promising figure when all the pieces are there or at least some of them that need to be there as true pieces Right now …the tight end and the tailback are all you have to lay your hat on if you wanna move forward with aside from **Miles Garrett and whoever else is on defense, so no, I don’t want to move on from Watson because I mean his arm is still there his feet are still there in & out of the pocket..he’s reading Defense is at a pro level and with the right pieces around it could be one of the special features in the league but the pieces aren’t at the moment everybody hurt or comin of injury , but that’s not Watson fault that’s easy to see from a film perspective. I saw everything I need to see in theGiants game…#Nxt 2Years🐾🐾🤎🧡🏆🐾🏆🤩#Dawgs life…
I'm a Steelers fan who doesn't know how I got here (I promise it won't happen again) But you guys need to find a way to get rid of Haslam. His ego is ruining the entire franchise. And as far as a fan base in concerned, you guys deserve better.
Not only that but rather than resign hunt...because that was an absolute no brainer to me...we dont and he goes back to your house where he will absolutely contribute toward another sb hopefully. Im happy for him of course but thats just an example of yet another dumb decision by this front office. You cant make this bs up
At this point, I really don't think it matter who is the QB. Browns are awful. Thanks to Minister of Propaganda Mary Kay Cabot for fooling us on how good the Browns will be in 2024. It turns out, she is just a corporate mouthpiece for the Browns.
Always has been. She drove Baker out of town and created so much drama. She also said on the podcast last night the jury is still out on if Watson sucks. Lol.
Please leave May Kay Cabot out of the conversation. She doing her job as a beat reporter for the Cleveland Browns. Also, I like to point out that most teams no longer have beat reporter for their NFL team because all the NEWSPAPERS HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
@GuitaroMAN44 Freddie Kitchens is a better offensive mind than Stefanski. Remember, if you don't wear Brown and Orange then you don't matter. Love ya Freddie.👍🤗
He also had 2 picks in the top 4 and 4 in the top 35. Pretty damn easy to get players with that capital. Also, took the 3rd best qb in the draft with 1st pick and then took austin corbett with the 33rd pick with 5 pro bowlers getting drafted shortly after that pick. Dorsey was gifted so many draft picks that it was difficult to mess up.
@@Nite2012Mare yes and no. The Texans weren’t actually bad that whole time. They fell off a cliff at the very end of his tenure, but had been competitive before that. Texans had to dumb down the offense a bit but it helped. He also had prime Deandre Hopkins and a star studded defense at times
@@Gotexanz he looked a lot better than now, I don't know what's wrong with him but I do know Stefunsky sucks, Berry sucks and dePOS doesn't know 💩 about 💩
Cleveland and national media always steer the BROWNS conversation in the wrong direction. this really isn't a Jimmy Haslam or (solely) Deshaun Watson issue. the issue is, you have a GM and scouting department who are bad at talent evaluation. compound that with continuously prioritizing the wrong position groups and here we are..
@@christopherwall444 baker dropped the craziest dimes in the tightest windows I have ever seen a quarterback in a browns uniform make since when I watched Bernie Kosar as a child.
@@christopherwaits7852 you didn't watch Browns games obviously.. He had some good games and many bad ones while being completely inaccuate...good guy tho..lots of intangibles...happy for him
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Would not be the same players. They are now if they were drafted by Cleveland. They both went to stable organizations with stable coaching staffs. That helped their development at quarterback. Baker had to deal with so many different head coaches, offensive coordinators and GMs. Just in Cleveland alone. Instead of being able to just focus on getting better at quarterback. Baker had to learn new playbooks and new offensive systems. Some people act like Mayfield was the cause of all of Cleveland’s problems. The Browns hadn’t won a game in 635 days and were down 0-14 to a bad Jets team. Before Mayfield stepped on the field.
It’s JW who’s making the calls. He’s a wanta be player, who’s always in the locker room post game. He’s in the room for interviews at the combine. You seen how this offense was last year with a 40 year old Flacco. The top 3 QB ratings in the league right now is, Flacco/Burrow/Baker. It’s a shame and they’ve had a full year to prepare for the season. They have failed.
Does g bush realize they traded 6 draft picks, including 3 1st rounds picks lol that's why the depth is drained. How are they supposed to stockpile with no draft capital
Great show. Agree with all points made. Send DW home. Play Winston to build morale. If we still suck see what we got in DTR. If you make a bad decision. Hire fast fire faster. In addition… AB and Depodesta have to take the fall for getting DW. Haslam has shelled out the cash. He dosen’t know football but atleast he fronted the capital. Losing Baker and Flacco compound the bad look. Save face and keep this team and fans interested.
I’m tired of everyone saying Stefanski will not get hired if and when the Browns fire everyone which they should Kevin will instantly be hired as a head coach somewhere unless it’s in the middle of the season if they fire him he will be the head coach somewhere next season.Berry is the one that won’t be nobody in their right mind as ever thought he was GM of the year.
You can’t coach around a useless qb. O line is playing in a scheme they weren’t signed to play in. He is eating up the cap, which stifles upgrades. Watson is the problem, there just isn’t a way to fix it
I just watched film of Watson having like 3-4 plays at least out of 28 with EVERYONE open, not one, not two, not three, but EVERYONE with good protection. It’s watson, he is washed, he is garbage, he is the worst thing this franchise has ever done
@jaxson6796 it seems like some of this Browns offensive lineman stuff as well as Qb stuff is bad on purpose at times, it seems! Not saying I disagree totally with what you've said. I've been looking at the whole situation as being weird! Cause no pro team should have played this badly. They're pros and they practice and play football for a living, so it's weird
@@tbright3441 I agree with you but I believe the rest of the team besides the front office doesn’t like Watson. Stefanski doesn’t even like him, we need to either wait for a good qb prospect to come our way or draft one this year that STEFANSKI wants, not the front office, stefanski is the coach and the coach should have almost all the say in who they draft.
I am a Commanders fan and he was bad yesterday. There was a play with multiple players open he ran the ball out of bounds. I think it was the play he pushed our rookie corner. He needs to sit at least temporarily.
shoot that kid you got is really good. they c😅beat you guy's or the Texans. both three teams have there QB cj stroud Williams and Daniel's maye isn't there yet
If Haslam is making the decisions HE HAS NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL! He has no business making these kind of decisions thats what coaches are for if not why does he have any coaching staff?
Close this chapter and move on. Dallas showed us what we can expect from the Browns this year. I was at field level 50 yard line broken. My wife and I have other games to go to this year, and we are just done. Why didn't we build on from what we did last year. Sorry, this is a gut check. Love the Browns, but dang, this is a landslide backward.
Stefanski and Berry have no power over Haslam. Watson's best game so far was played in a dome (even though the Browns lost). Haslam wants a dome. Haslam knew Watson would struggle outdoors (if you think it's bad now, just wait until weather is actually a factor) and would leverage that to try to convince the city, organization, and the fans that we are a dome team and need a $5B stadium. Problem is, I don't think even Jimmy thought it would go this badly.
Stefanski, should bench him, and if fired it mirrors Pettine and Manziel. If he stays on roster, as they now settled civil suit and no NFL suspension - drop him to the practice squad, to save the roster spot and if someone wants him, they can take him
Bench Deshaun and get rid of the o-line coach. He has every player Callahan had last year. And the line play is atrocious. Every game all game long start to finish.
I didn’t regret letting him go until he won the Super Bowl last year. That shut me up. He didn’t reveal any limitations at all in the playoffs, just dominated straight through.
An offensive line that's give up 15 sacks in two games should be shame faced embarrassed if your not you have no business on the line tear out reverse gear put it in forward and make the opposing defense pay for touching your backs
Not saying the offensive line is playing well. But thinking every sack is on the line is ignorant. Deshaun holds the ball wayyy too long. He's done it his whole career
@Randall-ks8uw tom brady's average time to throw was 2.48. In 2022 it was 2.28. Deshauns was 3.26 in 2022 and last year it was 3.07. He was almost a full second slower than brady in 2022 lol
Exactly… they have no idea how either of them would have played for the Browns. Jackson and Allen have had the same coaches every year (Jackson had a Super Bowl winning coach). Baker had the worst coach in the history of the NFL with Hue Jackson and a not much better Freddie Kitchens). Such a dumb statement by them saying the Browns picked the wrong guy..
Goddammit, Jay!!!!!! Let the rest of the guys talk!!!!! QUIT TAKING OVER PEOPLE!!!!! We want to hear what JASON has to say!!! Mikey - thanks for trying to make it work making them take turns......... I'll watch when he's off.
My thoughts are that Berry went to Haslam, who gave Berry the green light to do it, and now Haslam is holding his feet to the fire and saying yall better fix this or its your job
Either Haslam has to pay him or the insurance company. Cant read the d, hold the ball too long, krappy o line, sacked 8 times a game, hit another 8 times. Its haslam’s call and in a couple weeks the insurance company is paying deshaun.
As a Bengals fan, I hope they fire Stefanski and continue they're rebuild since they moved to Cleveland. Man has won coach of the year multiple times for a reason. Watson made them a complete rebuild, let a good coach do it.
Deshaun Watson now has achieved the lowest EPA (expected points added) per play for a Browns QB in the first 5 weeks of the season in the modern era at -0.30EPA. This number is 50% worse than the previous record holder at -0.20EPA.... Deshaun Watson... last year... Also, his 31.2% passing success rate would be the worst mark for a qualified starter since JaMarcus Russell in 2009 and the 3rd lowest mark in the 2000s slotting right in between Jimmy Cluassen 2010 and Akili Smith 2000... those 3 QB seasons accounted for a total of 5 wins between them... His 4.7 yards per attempt would tie for the 2nd worst mark for a qualified starter since at least 1976. His 26 sacks through 5 games puts him on pace for 88 in a 17 game which would shatter the all-time single season record of 76.
who came up with the idea to let baker mayfield go, , maybe the ownership have come to the conclusion that they have a system problem and not a QB problem just by watching how good Baker Mayfield is playing in tampa , they maybe thinking that they let a good QB go , and they don't wanna to do the same mistake , the message to Coach kevin , make is work or will find someone else that can make it work ,
It’s so crazy they won’t let Jameis start. Despite the doom and gloom around this team, if we win Sunday and the Ravens/Steelers lose we’re 1 game out of 1st place. Think about that.
Well I have to admit i'm a baker mayfield fan and I watch all the tampa bay games. And i'm proud of baker because of all the naysayers and all the people that said what they said and how he should quit and take a job in broadcasting and everything else. And all those folks had said he was bad for the lock room and he wasn't coachable and all this other stuff. I guess those were the same folks.That said that johnny manzel was a great quarterback.
I didn’t like some of G Bush’s post game comments but I really appreciate his insight into Haslam / Berry / stefanski rationale. You bring clarity to this dumpster fire
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson WOULD NOT be who they are if they had come to Cleveland. You’re delusional. Organizations count. And Cleveland is the worst in the NFL since Snyder sold
Allen and Jackson did not have a rookie season as good as Baker's. From their rookie season on, Allen and Jackson had stability and overtook Baker. What Baker's doing in Tampa absolutely would have happened in Cleveland. With Stefanski staying around, Baker would have had the stability he needed to do what he's doing now, and a better defense. Last year's defense with a Baker-led offence would have been in the SB or divisional finals.
Unfortunately we can't bench the whole franchise so we had better figure out how to fix it this week and then the week after that every man of 52 grab your jock strap and man up or kiss one more season good bye
Excellent episode. My take is that Winston should have played the 4th quarter with the score 6-34 at the start of that quarter. That's not a benching but being relieved in a game already lost to avoid any possible injury and give Winston some plays to be more ready for any needed future playing for whatever the reason. I wanted Allen over Baker in 2018. The Watson deal after the 2021 season was an overall desperate move by the owner to win now in 2022 or 2023. It was not just a dump Baker for Watson. It was the huge guaranteed contract and 3 number 1 draft picks for a sat out a season malcontent with serious unresolved legal issues and facing a probable suspension of unknown length. That's a desperate move. Funny thing is that in 2017 Haslam could have picked Watson and Mahomes in the draft when the Browns seriously needed a qb.
5:49 I don't see enough people talking about how DW is the cause of a lot of the ills we are seeing offensively. OL can't block it up, why is that? Well they've had a lot of injuries and tackles haven't been great for sometime. But the reason we are in so much empty/spread is because that's what the qb is supposed to be good at. He can't process it or see it or maybe he neither. The bum can't even switch up the protections at the line in obvious blitz situations. WR's are slow yet when Flacco was in last year we were explosive as hell on offense. Jerry Jeudy ran a 4.4. Are they slow or is it that the qb is the checkdown king? How are are gonna build up speed when he's throwing it 4 yards??? We don't have the personnel, Jason's right, we don't have a QB who can run this type of offense. Which is why we should bench him!!
19:10 I don't think if the Browns drafted Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson they would see anything even remotely close to what they are today. I think Baker was the perfect draft pick. It's almost entirely about development for rookie players rather than their overall talent in college. I'm definitely not advocating talent doesn't matter because it 100% does, I'm just saying putting the wrong type of player in a bad development group and you get what we thought Sam Darnold was and he is doing pretty damn well right now. Baker is the best qb in the league as he is down in Tampa. It's not just draft position and talent, it has a lot to do with the front office and behind the scenes/player staff.
For me it would be within the realm of believability that Watson could be tanking to collect the guaranteed remainder of his contract while avoiding all the physical punishment of playing. Either on the bench or at home collecting $94 million for doing nothing! After all there is a questionable history with the Texans.
I believe signing Deshaun was a decision by the Haslams. I believe they told AB to make the deal, pay whatever it takes. Agree on DTR. Team can't do any worse. And you need to know if he has long term skill set. Need a private meeting with a couple of senior players: Myles and Joe Bitonio, and talk about options at this point. Either get Myles on board or you are going to lose him.
Its pretty easy to draft when you have 2 pick in the top 4 and 4 in the top 35. Dorsey drafted austin corbett lol with shaq leonard, braden smith, christian kirk and harold landry and courtland sutton taken within 10 or so picks after him lol
Org in shambles! I'll love again when this org get's straight. Until then, I'm done. Players, coaches, fans all bent over the barrel. Empty the stadium on the next Sunday and send a message!
OOOHHHH what to do what to do? Maybe start Winston idk. Will see how Deshaun does tomorrow. I haven't caught any of there games yet lets see.I hope we can turn it around.
I've said way back with Johnny Football that Haslam was trying to be a football guy and run the show. He's a moron with money; I'm a 63 year fan. Haslam is Art Modell II
Yea I'm not sure where that's coming from. We've seen countless examples of not adjusting. He got COY but because He's had extraordinary play from Flacco and the defense
@jamestaylor2979 they were a top 3 rushing team last year with this same line, but now he's forced to run a different offense cause the worst qb in the league/rapi$t didn't want to run his scheme.
@@Fog_raw bill callahan was the oline coach and run game coordinator! Hes now gone and you see the product!! Kevin was never responsible for the best part of our offense for 4 years!! How are you to dumb to see that?
They do realize that Jameis Winston is only 30 right? He stands as good of a chance at becoming the next Gino Smith, then Deshaun Watson becoming Deshaun Watson.
Its amazing how little respect that put on Baker Mayfields name, Somebody please tell me the only quaterback that threw as many touchdowns and won a playoff game FOR THE BROWNS.....
If Stefanski is fired, but DePodesta stays the Browns will continue to fail. DePodesta needs to be FIRED IMMEDIATELY!
Remind me why John Dorsey was executed again, side from making the ONE MISTAKE at head coach?
I don't think it is DePodesta that is the problem. It your boy Haslem that's really the problem.
I don't think either one will be fired after this season, Kevin Stefanski is the reigning coach of the year, he will be given at least one more season to fix things. But I think that their chief strategy officer will have to chart a different strategy after this season. They might have to go back to drafting and developing players and get rid of the high priced players that are underperforming. If the Browns are sitting at 1 or 2 wins by trade deadline, then I think they need to do a fire sale, get rid of every high priced player they can and collect draft picks. It will mean a couple of bad years, but if the Commanders can change their fate, then why can't the Browns. I would be willing to part with Watson, Cooper, Chubb, Bitonio, Teller, Garrett, Wills, Conklin, Emerson, Delpit, Jeudy, Bell, Moore etc. Start fresh with a bunch of high round draft picks and a mixture a middle of the road free agents and just continue to rebuild the team from there.
Agreed! The entire low IQ Browns Ivy League Brain Trust of Berry, DePodesta and Stefanski need to be walking out of Browns HQ. Don't pack your belongings, JUST LEAVE!!!! It's really a joke that DePodesta had ZERO football experience when he joined the Browns. His entire background is BASEBALL!!! He is/was on the board of directors at Sears so he has experience driving a business into the ground.
I mean he’s been watching a lot of football all these years as much as we have as much as these guys talking watch and get paid to comment on there’s more to this team that meet eye…we didn’t know they were holes ..but we know now so he actually looks like a promising figure when all the pieces are there or at least some of them that need to be there as true pieces Right now …the tight end and the tailback are all you have to lay your hat on if you wanna move forward with aside from **Miles Garrett and whoever else is on defense, so no, I don’t want to move on from Watson because I mean his arm is still there his feet are still there in & out of the pocket..he’s reading Defense is at a pro level and with the right pieces around it could be one of the special features in the league but the pieces aren’t at the moment everybody hurt or comin of injury , but that’s not Watson fault that’s easy to see from a film perspective. I saw everything I need to see in theGiants game…#Nxt 2Years🐾🐾🤎🧡🏆🐾🏆🤩#Dawgs life…
Jay is 100% correct about everything stems from jimmy. You thought al davis was over involved...
I'm a Steelers fan who doesn't know how I got here (I promise it won't happen again)
But you guys need to find a way to get rid of Haslam. His ego is ruining the entire franchise.
And as far as a fan base in concerned, you guys deserve better.
As a Steelers hater, I appreciate the love 😉👍
@@michelcharbonnier7603 I’ll drink a beer with yo frien
@@michelcharbonnier7603 Baker is mid man. They HAD to try SOMETHING else or we’d never make it out the divisional. Right where Tampa is now.
@@bryan_witha_whyyBaker might be mid but Watson is trash.
@@jameszeigler9353 Never mentioned Watson at all.
The Houston Texans are secretly laugh their butts off!!!!
NAHH YOUR WRONG BRO , THEY ARE LAUGHING THEIR BUTTS OFF IN OUR FACE 🤦🏻♂️ LOL
So is watson
@@LarryA-mb7qh lol no doubt 🤣
I don’t think it is secretly
@@davidmacwilliamson5570
everyone is laughing not just the Houston Texans.
I actually liked Baker. He was a fighter. DeShaun is a diva and a waste of oxygen.
Baker and interim HC Greg Williams had a playoff run so of course the Browns dismantled that pairing.
@@bill2953classic case of the grass not always being greener. Same for Watson.
4 teams in one year. Right teams was beating his door down. Lmao 😂
@@Gotexanz Exactly
Deshaun has made me hate watching football lol I’ve never seen anything like it he’s a toxic poison that slowly sucks the life out of a team
As a Chiefs fan Idk how you guys root for that team. Look at Baker playing good for the Bucs I know that hurt Browns fans.
Not only that but rather than resign hunt...because that was an absolute no brainer to me...we dont and he goes back to your house where he will absolutely contribute toward another sb hopefully. Im happy for him of course but thats just an example of yet another dumb decision by this front office. You cant make this bs up
Not me
At this point, I really don't think it matter who is the QB. Browns are awful. Thanks to Minister of Propaganda Mary Kay Cabot for fooling us on how good the Browns will be in 2024. It turns out, she is just a corporate mouthpiece for the Browns.
Look at flacco baker kenm all did well maybe if winston in thete could be spark
Always has been. She drove Baker out of town and created so much drama.
She also said on the podcast last night the jury is still out on if Watson sucks. Lol.
Please leave May Kay Cabot out of the conversation. She doing her job as a beat reporter for the Cleveland Browns. Also, I like to point out that most teams no longer have beat reporter for their NFL team because all the NEWSPAPERS HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
@@Wolf10193Flacco is tearing it in Indy.
DTR...lol ..he is small with a weak arm .
Haslam always wants high profile players. Manziel, Mayfield, Beckham and Watson. I agree with most of the panel. its all about Haslam.
Dorsey didn’t draft Myles, that was Sashi. Let’s also not forget that Dorsey died on the Freddie Kitchens hill so he’s not spotless at all.
@GuitaroMAN44 Freddie Kitchens is a better offensive mind than Stefanski.
Remember, if you don't wear Brown and Orange then you don't matter. Love ya Freddie.👍🤗
Freddie kitchens was light years ahead of Stephanski! Hugh Jackson with DeShawn Kizer was just the last time we saw offense this bad
@justinedse8435 Freddie kitchens was horrendous lol you're absolutely clueless if you think he's a good coach
@@justinedse8435 freddie kitchens is a tight ends coach for a mediocre college team now lmao
He also had 2 picks in the top 4 and 4 in the top 35. Pretty damn easy to get players with that capital. Also, took the 3rd best qb in the draft with 1st pick and then took austin corbett with the 33rd pick with 5 pro bowlers getting drafted shortly after that pick. Dorsey was gifted so many draft picks that it was difficult to mess up.
Anyone who thought bringing this dude in was in upgrade over Baker is dumb. Sorry but it’s true.
He was elite without Stefunsky and on a worse team. Baker was NEVER the answer when we could've had Allen or Lamar...🙄
@@Nite2012Mare yes and no. The Texans weren’t actually bad that whole time. They fell off a cliff at the very end of his tenure, but had been competitive before that. Texans had to dumb down the offense a bit but it helped. He also had prime Deandre Hopkins and a star studded defense at times
@@Gotexanz he looked a lot better than now, I don't know what's wrong with him but I do know Stefunsky sucks, Berry sucks and dePOS doesn't know 💩 about 💩
I want Baker back
Factory of sadness 😢 I'm a tired and frustrated Browns fan my patience is over.. it's time for a change of "EVERYTHING"!!!!
BAN THE STADIUM!!!
This is the BEST video you’ve ever done! Nailed the dysfunction that had led the Browns to this debacle.
Cleveland and national media always steer the BROWNS conversation in the wrong direction. this really isn't a Jimmy Haslam or (solely) Deshaun Watson issue. the issue is, you have a GM and scouting department who are bad at talent evaluation. compound that with continuously prioritizing the wrong position groups and here we are..
They’ve done well drafting, it starts with the owner and GM.
Thanks guys for taking Deshaun from us and all the extra pics!!
AMEN
"What Baker is doing in Tampa was NOT going to happen here..." 🤡🤡🤡
Very inaccurate here..very accurate there...crazy
@@christopherwall444 baker dropped the craziest dimes in the tightest windows I have ever seen a quarterback in a browns uniform make since when I watched Bernie Kosar as a child.
Baker is doing what he did in 2018 and 2020. He was always that guy. He played hurt and played for a toxic city and organization
@@christopherwaits7852 you didn't watch Browns games obviously..
He had some good games and many bad ones while being completely inaccuate...good guy tho..lots of intangibles...happy for him
Well of course you got THE SLOWEST RECIEVERS IN LEAGUE.
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Would not be the same players. They are now if they were drafted by Cleveland. They both went to stable organizations with stable coaching staffs. That helped their development at quarterback. Baker had to deal with so many different head coaches, offensive coordinators and GMs. Just in Cleveland alone. Instead of being able to just focus on getting better at quarterback. Baker had to learn new playbooks and new offensive systems.
Some people act like Mayfield was the cause of all of Cleveland’s problems.
The Browns hadn’t won a game in 635 days and were down 0-14 to a bad Jets team. Before Mayfield stepped on the field.
@@brianransome9042 And then Baker proceeded to be wildly unpredictable and immature.
It’s JW who’s making the calls. He’s a wanta be player, who’s always in the locker room post game. He’s in the room for interviews at the combine. You seen how this offense was last year with a 40 year old Flacco. The top 3 QB ratings in the league right now is, Flacco/Burrow/Baker. It’s a shame and they’ve had a full year to prepare for the season. They have failed.
Jason Lloyd just wont admit he wrong so he continues too trash Mayfield.
Does g bush realize they traded 6 draft picks, including 3 1st rounds picks lol that's why the depth is drained. How are they supposed to stockpile with no draft capital
I said in 2018. This is the last QB I'm riding with. I'm now a Bucs fan. That's the path of a Browns fan that wants to win
The City of Cleveland and \ or Cuyahoga County or surrounding county's should tell the Browns no public money with Haslem sells the team
Great show. Agree with all points made. Send DW home. Play Winston to build morale. If we still suck see what we got in DTR. If you make a bad decision. Hire fast fire faster. In addition… AB and Depodesta have to take the fall for getting DW. Haslam has shelled out the cash. He dosen’t know football but atleast he fronted the capital. Losing Baker and Flacco compound the bad look. Save face and keep this team and fans interested.
I’m tired of everyone saying Stefanski will not get hired if and when the Browns fire everyone which they should Kevin will instantly be hired as a head coach somewhere unless it’s in the middle of the season if they fire him he will be the head coach somewhere next season.Berry is the one that won’t be nobody in their right mind as ever thought he was GM of the year.
Say it with me:
“Nick Caserio Hall of Famer”
yes to that go Texans
Its amazing how they view what's going on without blaming that coach or O-Line
You can’t coach around a useless qb. O line is playing in a scheme they weren’t signed to play in. He is eating up the cap, which stifles upgrades. Watson is the problem, there just isn’t a way to fix it
I just watched film of Watson having like 3-4 plays at least out of 28 with EVERYONE open, not one, not two, not three, but EVERYONE with good protection. It’s watson, he is washed, he is garbage, he is the worst thing this franchise has ever done
@jaxson6796 it seems like some of this Browns offensive lineman stuff as well as Qb stuff is bad on purpose at times, it seems! Not saying I disagree totally with what you've said. I've been looking at the whole situation as being weird! Cause no pro team should have played this badly. They're pros and they practice and play football for a living, so it's weird
@@tbright3441 I agree with you but I believe the rest of the team besides the front office doesn’t like Watson. Stefanski doesn’t even like him, we need to either wait for a good qb prospect to come our way or draft one this year that STEFANSKI wants, not the front office, stefanski is the coach and the coach should have almost all the say in who they draft.
@jaxson6796 and it seems to be the same thing every year since they've reopened the doors, just saying
That "2x coach of the year offense" sucked too. Take our opponents' word for it- predictable.
I am a Commanders fan and he was bad yesterday. There was a play with multiple players open he ran the ball out of bounds. I think it was the play he pushed our rookie corner. He needs to sit at least temporarily.
shoot that kid you got is really good. they c😅beat you guy's or the Texans. both three teams have there QB cj stroud Williams and Daniel's maye isn't there yet
If Haslam is making the decisions HE HAS NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL! He has no business making these kind of decisions thats what coaches are for if not why does he have any coaching staff?
Welcome to billionaires bro they aren’t hearing any of that lol
His team. His decisions. As unfair as that is, it's truth
Watson does not have an arm anymore, plenty of open receivers, he cant throw it more than 10 yards with any accuracy
Close this chapter and move on. Dallas showed us what we can expect from the Browns this year. I was at field level 50 yard line broken. My wife and I have other games to go to this year, and we are just done. Why didn't we build on from what we did last year. Sorry, this is a gut check. Love the Browns, but dang, this is a landslide backward.
Kevin is gonna have to pull a Baker Mayfield and demand some respect! Imagine that! 😂
Jay likes to talk about knowing anything and everything… how ironic… 20/20 hindsight is always appreciated.
Stefanski and Berry have no power over Haslam. Watson's best game so far was played in a dome (even though the Browns lost). Haslam wants a dome. Haslam knew Watson would struggle outdoors (if you think it's bad now, just wait until weather is actually a factor) and would leverage that to try to convince the city, organization, and the fans that we are a dome team and need a $5B stadium. Problem is, I don't think even Jimmy thought it would go this badly.
It's plain and simple... With Stefanski's offense a vast majority of the snaps have to be under center...
When the bye week? Im looking forward to that.
Cooper was a beast with Flacco
njoku too
Stefanski, should bench him, and if fired it mirrors Pettine and Manziel. If he stays on roster, as they now settled civil suit and no NFL suspension - drop him to the practice squad, to save the roster spot and if someone wants him, they can take him
Deshaun Watson is playing great now playing great tomorrow playing great forever
Bench Deshaun and get rid of the o-line coach. He has every player Callahan had last year. And the line play is atrocious. Every game all game long start to finish.
IM SICK TO MY STOMACH ABOUT TRADING BAKER MAYFIELD WHYYYYYY ARE THE BROWNS SOOO STUPID !!!!!!
They didn’t miss on Baker. And he’s laughing at you clowns.
Browns: “We still think about you.”
Baker: “I don’t think about you at all.”
I didn’t regret letting him go until he won the Super Bowl last year. That shut me up. He didn’t reveal any limitations at all in the playoffs, just dominated straight through.
This whole organization is a joke.
Firing John Dorsey and messily divorcing Baker Mayfield are a pair of scarlet letters the team should be forced to wear.
Listen THE FANS DONT DESERVE THIS AND MOST OF US DID NOT WANT BAKER TO GO I FKKNG MISS HIM STILL HAVE ALL MY BAKER STUFF
When is the interview with the GM. That needs to happen and he needs to have some answers!
An offensive line that's give up 15 sacks in two games should be shame faced embarrassed if your not you have no business on the line tear out reverse gear put it in forward and make the opposing defense pay for touching your backs
Not saying the offensive line is playing well. But thinking every sack is on the line is ignorant. Deshaun holds the ball wayyy too long. He's done it his whole career
@@Fog_raw count how many seconds they give him then go back and look at tom Brady with pats and count the seconds
@@Randall-ks8uwlook at how many receivers are open
@Randall-ks8uw tom brady's average time to throw was 2.48. In 2022 it was 2.28. Deshauns was 3.26 in 2022 and last year it was 3.07. He was almost a full second slower than brady in 2022 lol
The Browns weren't the only team after DeShaun Watson and Stefansky did not like Mayfield. Tell the truth don't just blame it on Berry.
Nooooo way these guys just said Najuku Jeudy Cooper and Elijah Moore slow receivers
The Bills were a playoff team before drafting Allen. The Ravens were 9-7 when they drafted him. The Browns were 0-16.
Exactly… they have no idea how either of them would have played for the Browns. Jackson and Allen have had the same coaches every year (Jackson had a Super Bowl winning coach). Baker had the worst coach in the history of the NFL with Hue Jackson and a not much better Freddie Kitchens). Such a dumb statement by them saying the Browns picked the wrong guy..
Isn’t putting this on Depo unfair? His overall record is impacted by the tanking we did to accumulate draft picks.
When your team has a bad strategy going it’s ok to ask questions about the chief strategist.
Goddammit, Jay!!!!!! Let the rest of the guys talk!!!!! QUIT TAKING OVER PEOPLE!!!!! We want to hear what JASON has to say!!!
Mikey - thanks for trying to make it work making them take turns.........
I'll watch when he's off.
My thoughts are that Berry went to Haslam, who gave Berry the green light to do it, and now Haslam is holding his feet to the fire and saying yall better fix this or its your job
JBush you are selling out in front of our eyes
Either Haslam has to pay him or the insurance company. Cant read the d, hold the ball too long, krappy o line, sacked 8 times a game, hit another 8 times. Its haslam’s call and in a couple weeks the insurance company is paying deshaun.
As a Bengals fan, I hope they fire Stefanski and continue they're rebuild since they moved to Cleveland. Man has won coach of the year multiple times for a reason. Watson made them a complete rebuild, let a good coach do it.
If Jimmy had any decency he would come out and apologize and admit his interferrence.
Deshaun Watson now has achieved the lowest EPA (expected points added) per play for a Browns QB in the first 5 weeks of the season in the modern era at -0.30EPA. This number is 50% worse than the previous record holder at -0.20EPA.... Deshaun Watson... last year...
Also, his 31.2% passing success rate would be the worst mark for a qualified starter since JaMarcus Russell in 2009 and the 3rd lowest mark in the 2000s slotting right in between Jimmy Cluassen 2010 and Akili Smith 2000... those 3 QB seasons accounted for a total of 5 wins between them...
His 4.7 yards per attempt would tie for the 2nd worst mark for a qualified starter since at least 1976.
His 26 sacks through 5 games puts him on pace for 88 in a 17 game which would shatter the all-time single season record of 76.
Sims doesn't know anything. Stefanski has a lot of influence in the organization. At least as much as the GM.
Haslam is destroying this team.
As soon as the Browns fire the owner and get someone competent in there, they'll be a good team.
How do you fire an owner? Do you mean sell the team?
who came up with the idea to let baker mayfield go, , maybe the ownership have come to the conclusion that they have a system problem and not a QB problem just by watching how good Baker Mayfield is playing in tampa , they maybe thinking that they let a good QB go , and they don't wanna to do the same mistake , the message to Coach kevin , make is work or will find someone else that can make it work ,
It’s so crazy they won’t let Jameis start. Despite the doom and gloom around this team, if we win Sunday and the Ravens/Steelers lose we’re 1 game out of 1st place. Think about that.
Well I have to admit i'm a baker mayfield fan and I watch all the tampa bay games. And i'm proud of baker because of all the naysayers and all the people that said what they said and how he should quit and take a job in broadcasting and everything else. And all those folks had said he was bad for the lock room and he wasn't coachable and all this other stuff. I guess those were the same folks.That said that johnny manzel was a great quarterback.
I didn’t like some of G Bush’s post game comments but I really appreciate his insight into Haslam / Berry / stefanski rationale. You bring clarity to this dumpster fire
Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson WOULD NOT be who they are if they had come to Cleveland. You’re delusional. Organizations count. And Cleveland is the worst in the NFL since Snyder sold
Haslam has his mitts all over this sh*t-show and has the brass to push for a new stadium?
Allen and Jackson did not have a rookie season as good as Baker's. From their rookie season on, Allen and Jackson had stability and overtook Baker. What Baker's doing in Tampa absolutely would have happened in Cleveland. With Stefanski staying around, Baker would have had the stability he needed to do what he's doing now, and a better defense. Last year's defense with a Baker-led offence would have been in the SB or divisional finals.
I am a 49ers fan, and I have the 49ers lose 28 games in 2 years, as a fan I know what it's like to see an NFL team do bad...
Unfortunately we can't bench the whole franchise so we had better figure out how to fix it this week and then the week after that every man of 52 grab your jock strap and man up or kiss one more season good bye
The wr's are the worst in the NFL if i had an expansion team i wouldn't take any of them ,maybe Judy at leauge minimun .
Dumbest comment in this comment section 😂
Less you forget no Superbowls modell or Jimmy's predecessor
Ownership should coach then
Excellent episode. My take is that Winston should have played the 4th quarter with the score 6-34 at the start of that quarter. That's not a benching but being relieved in a game already lost to avoid any possible injury and give Winston some plays to be more ready for any needed future playing for whatever the reason.
I wanted Allen over Baker in 2018. The Watson deal after the 2021 season was an overall desperate move by the owner to win now in 2022 or 2023. It was not just a dump Baker for Watson. It was the huge guaranteed contract and 3 number 1 draft picks for a sat out a season malcontent with serious unresolved legal issues and facing a probable suspension of unknown length. That's a desperate move. Funny thing is that in 2017 Haslam could have picked Watson and Mahomes in the draft when the Browns seriously needed a qb.
5:49 I don't see enough people talking about how DW is the cause of a lot of the ills we are seeing offensively. OL can't block it up, why is that? Well they've had a lot of injuries and tackles haven't been great for sometime. But the reason we are in so much empty/spread is because that's what the qb is supposed to be good at. He can't process it or see it or maybe he neither. The bum can't even switch up the protections at the line in obvious blitz situations. WR's are slow yet when Flacco was in last year we were explosive as hell on offense. Jerry Jeudy ran a 4.4. Are they slow or is it that the qb is the checkdown king? How are are gonna build up speed when he's throwing it 4 yards??? We don't have the personnel, Jason's right, we don't have a QB who can run this type of offense. Which is why we should bench him!!
19:10 I don't think if the Browns drafted Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson they would see anything even remotely close to what they are today. I think Baker was the perfect draft pick. It's almost entirely about development for rookie players rather than their overall talent in college. I'm definitely not advocating talent doesn't matter because it 100% does, I'm just saying putting the wrong type of player in a bad development group and you get what we thought Sam Darnold was and he is doing pretty damn well right now. Baker is the best qb in the league as he is down in Tampa. It's not just draft position and talent, it has a lot to do with the front office and behind the scenes/player staff.
See? I've always said that regardless of coaching if the player sucks then the play simply wont get executed.
Thank you for this video. Finally convinced me to stop supporting this dumper fire team. It will never get better under Haslem and “Moneyball”
The trade + the contract makes it the worst move by an NFL franchise in the history of the sport. I think it supplants the Hershel Walker deal.
For me it would be within the realm of believability that Watson could be tanking to collect the guaranteed remainder of his contract while avoiding all the physical punishment of playing. Either on the bench or at home collecting $94 million for doing nothing! After all there is a questionable history with the Texans.
The organization needs to have Andrew Berry step up and make that Public Announcement before this game coming up Sunday it gets Philadelphia
Fire the WR coach and Dorsey and promote Mike Vrabel to run the Offense
I rather see Mike Vrabel, become the new head coach!
I believe signing Deshaun was a decision by the Haslams. I believe they told AB to make the deal, pay whatever it takes. Agree on DTR. Team can't do any worse. And you need to know if he has long term skill set. Need a private meeting with a couple of senior players: Myles and Joe Bitonio, and talk about options at this point. Either get Myles on board or you are going to lose him.
Jay Crawford scream talking over everyone still?? Sheesh
I guess by “collaborative decisions” Haslam means he found people who’ll agree with whatever he says. Dude is about as sharp as a basketball.
I like good football so I’ve never been married to the Browns, I live in the area so I keep up with them .
Factory of Sadness is in full operational swing. I am done... I'm shopping for a new team, or player, to root for. Mayfield and the Bucs, let's go!!!!
Its pretty easy to draft when you have 2 pick in the top 4 and 4 in the top 35. Dorsey drafted austin corbett lol with shaq leonard, braden smith, christian kirk and harold landry and courtland sutton taken within 10 or so picks after him lol
The scheme is terrible. The day we did this trade we should have hired Bill O’Brien
It's the GM and Analytics department trying to save their ass
in his defense, if you pay 230 million for something youre gonna use it even it if it sucks
Where’s the Watson fan boys SB every year 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡❌💀
Org in shambles! I'll love again when this org get's straight. Until then, I'm done. Players, coaches, fans all bent over the barrel. Empty the stadium on the next Sunday and send a message!
OOOHHHH what to do what to do? Maybe start Winston idk. Will see how Deshaun does tomorrow. I haven't caught any of there games yet lets see.I hope we can turn it around.
I've said way back with Johnny Football that Haslam was trying to be a football guy and run the show. He's a moron with money; I'm a 63 year fan. Haslam is Art Modell II
We got rid of the Dorsey gm we should have kept and got the wrong Dorsey oc hired
The million dollar question.
Kevin has never been an brilliant offensive mind!! Im tired of these idiots making up stuff!!
Yea I'm not sure where that's coming from. We've seen countless examples of not adjusting. He got COY but because He's had extraordinary play from Flacco and the defense
@jamestaylor2979 they were a top 3 rushing team last year with this same line, but now he's forced to run a different offense cause the worst qb in the league/rapi$t didn't want to run his scheme.
@@Shoesforshoob Stefanski was the architect of the Viking's 3 & out offense,...it makes sense the Browns went out and got him..
@@Fog_raw bill callahan was the oline coach and run game coordinator! Hes now gone and you see the product!! Kevin was never responsible for the best part of our offense for 4 years!! How are you to dumb to see that?
@jamestaylor2979 bill Callahan was never the run game coordinator. Lol you are a absolute moron
They do realize that Jameis Winston is only 30 right? He stands as good of a chance at becoming the next Gino Smith, then Deshaun Watson becoming Deshaun Watson.
Its amazing how little respect that put on Baker Mayfields name, Somebody please tell me the only quaterback that threw as many touchdowns and won a playoff game FOR THE BROWNS.....
The dude on the right was spitting facts about money ball and paul depo