Oil in the Radiator! Top End Internal Tear Down! GM 3800 3100 3400 3.8
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- This is a 2002 Pontiac Firebird with the GM 3.8l 3800 Series II Engine. This vehicle came in with an large oil leak on the engine and an oily substance in the radiator. The antifreeze was mixing with engine oil. The problem is common with this series of engine. The lower intake manifold gaskets deteriorate and case coolant to leak into the engine oil, oil is also allowed to contaminate the cooling system resulting in the fouled coolant and soft radiator hoses. This is multi part repair and is somewhat difficult in this particular car due the firewall and wiper cowl location. We will remove the intake plenum and lower manifold valve covers, and the engine accessories such as alternator, belt, and the tensioner. In this case the belt tensioner also has a heater core bypass built into it so there is engine coolant in the belt tensioner as well. Part one will be the teardown, part two will be engine assembly and the final part will miscellaneous assembly, fluids, cleaning and final inspection. This video is part one of this series. As mentioned in the video this vehicle was featured before due to catastrophic A/C system failure. See links below for all past videos.
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Changed the oil in my 1998 Tahoe yesterday along with both front ABS brake sensors and tire rotation. At 70 years old it takes me a little longer, but saved some money and got me off the couch. Felt really good at the end of the day
Thank God we don't have to beat flat rate when we get older! 😂😂
Always amazes me how GM started with a bracket, and then built a car around it.
Yes I agree. Having worked on GM's for 37 yrs, ,GM is NOT the only one to build like that. They all do it. I believe Chrysler was the first domestic car make to put a windshield over an engine.😊
I agree my dang 3800 has a motor mount bracket in the way of the serpentine belt
Very well said about hate complaints . American residents for many have become citizens of hate . Many kinds of hate , one in particular customizing of cars by their owners . Me , I like older cars that are more original and have custom rims with tires that actually have tires on them . I don’t like slammed to the ground vehicles . That is me . Always liked Pontiac , the older gm , dodge , Plymouth , ford , and a few others . At 68 yrs old none of that has changed much .
That's a great way to put it.
Volvo designed the V70 around a pen holder.
Ray has an astounding memory for putting complex stuff back together.
Mechanics - it’s puzzles for adults
Your incredible close in filming makes us all feel your frustration at times. You are a remarkable mechanic.
Remarkable mechanic and amazing videographer.
You used the correct your. You are a remarkable person.😁
@@garygood6804 Your pressing you’re luck tryna get people to no what yore talking about. Next, shall we discuss the car breaks? I hate to brake it to you, but you and I scream out into the darkness trying to enlighten people, but it’s all for naught.
We’re but two of a group of about four that even care about grammar anymore.
I can't get over how far the shop had come. It is a true testimony to you and your success.
Hey Ray, you are in my top 5 channels. I recently tore a tendon in my knee, and I am in rehab for the next 5 to 8 weeks. Your videos help me getting through the day, and I also revist old videos all the time. Short videos, long videos, they are all good. Wife Unit is another great part of 'Ray World'. Family type place for family type folks. THANK YOU! 👩🦳
Hope you heal quickly
@@betomendez4304 Same from me. Hope the physical rehab is not too brutal!
I have to ask.
What are the other 4?
Also, get well soon.
@@Seraphim401 I don't know the OP's other four, but the other car-related channel I watch is Just Rolled In.
@Seraphim401 My other 4? 1. I Do Cars, 2. Rainman Ray's Repairs, 3. Full Custom Ian, 4. Scotty Kilmer, and 5. The Troglys Guitar Show, because I play guitar and bass, and I also do live sound mixing for bands. Back to my injuries, last year, I tore my right quadricep tendon twice in a row, and then this year, I tore my quadricep tendon on my left leg, and I STILL have a brace on my right leg. Rehab will be an adventure for sure. Nice story, eh??
I'll tell ya Ray, that clip at the beginning of pissing on the trolls was hilarious. You're absolutely correct, there are way too many haters in the world.
Might be older but still getting it done , old guys rule 😊
Loved that entire sequence of shots to make it look like he was actually "pissing" was good, really good.
All three of my vehicles are customized with the same emblem from another type of vehicle. My neighbors got all uppity a few years back about how they were good people and saving the planet because they drove Toyota Prius Hybrids. So I went to ebay and ordered 3 Toyota "Hybrid" emblems and put one on each car: an '86 Toyota Celica, an '02 Silverado, and an '11 Cadillac DTS. I've actually had strangers approach me saying how they had no idea that Chevy put out a Silverado Hybrid! Hate on me all you want, but they're all paid in full and have been since I bought them!
Yeah if im not mistaken the hybrid was paired with a 5.3, there was a Tahoe like that, but I believe it came out in 2005 or 2007+ lol
Neighbor needs to mind his own business and keep his mouth shut. Put a sticker on your car that says gas guzzler.
It is also worth noting that people who repair and keep one car for longer are not creating a need for as much petrol as people who buy new cars every few years, sounds like your neighbor needs to take a much closer look at the "reduce, reuse" portion of "reduce, reuse, recycle".
I have a winch on my 4X4 so I consider it a hybrid.
@@user-hy7su3jm8z They have traded both Priuses in . . . on SUVs!!!
Really miss older vehicles that had room around the motor
Very thoughtful of the original owner to have included the optional windshield cowl bolt tray.
That disassembly hurt my brain, as a shadetree mechanic, I don't think I would have made it half way through without giving up. Props to you Ray!
you and me both.😁
It is a MUCH easier job in a FWD vehicle. God knows I've done enough of these gaskets.
The angle coolant lines were originally plastic, but I've seen at least one that had aluminum/metal ones. The plastic ones always break, the aluminum one corroded in place.
Absolutely my favorite channel to watch!
By the way, duct tape is not for hvac systems. Metal tape is for hvac systems, never use duct tape on them.
Love the chipmunk voice Ray.
In my non-HVAC life, "duck/duct" tape is for LARP weapons, and ductwork gets the adhesive aluminum tape.
edit: As I have learned, the "duck" in duck tape (leaving aside the brand) is from the cloth used between the outer plastic and the inner adhesive.
Before the invention of the adhesive metal tape, it WAS used on ductwork.
There are different grades of duck/duct tape, varying in the strength and weave of the fabric and the type and 'stickiness' of the adhesive for uses like gaffer's tape for stage work and military-issue #-mile-an-hour tape.
And even the metallic tape is being pushed aside in many HVAC installations by brushed-on joint sealants.
3.8 leaks are worth fixing on that motor. Keep up the good work!
Prefer that motor when it's sideways..... front wheel drive.
Australian here. I did the exact job on my 3.8 holden motor. Great motor, just with gm had sold them over here with a firebird wrapped around it!
Bad Chad won't make it to Australia they got scammed
@@orasmiller1273 I just was watching Bad Chad, he was talking about leaving for their trip this weekend.
They way you calmly solve problems is really refreshing to see. You have really made something of yourself Ray. Opening your own shop and also creating a successful and still growing channel is a great accomplishment. I sir can say that you motivate me and I thank you.
❤😂 God bless you Ray with all a great memory to remember all parts to put back 😊
@4:37 you had a funny full bladder Starting my day with humor Thanks RAY!!
Urine that color indicates serious kidney problems.
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That was painful to watch! Back of my legs and back were hurting watching you bent over fighting them covers. Very good at holding your temper! I have a 5.7 vortec and those plastic gm gaskets i hate. After twice getting them replaced at gm with the same gaskets, i found out the hard way they were only good for 50 to 75 thousand miles. I went with felpro. Been well over 100k miles and doing great.
My suggestion for future reseals of engine gaskets is to just remove the engine first!
Oh, and charge your flashlights (gravity) LOL
I was thinking the same thing, because putting this back together without messing up the seals is going to be a bear on that valve cover!
Same thought, as soon as I saw how buried the back half of the engine is.
It might be a bit more work removing, but the frustration factor would be much less.
As you said, getting the gaskets to hold in place, while maneuvering parts back into place is going to be a bear.
The motor sits so far back it makes this job so much harder. I have done this job in front wheel drive cars and it is much easier.
You guys are crazy any part he breaks he has to pay for. If you break the wrong part the your losing money on the job you quoted. It’s not worth the time or risk to pull the motor. You have to suck it up butter cup
Does it really matter what we think? It's just opinions shared on a job that's already done.@@waterloo123100
Love your content. Just a little trivia. Duct tape was originally developed during World War 2 and was used to seal ammunition canisters among other things. It was called duck tape because it was made with a backing material of cotton duck fabric and was said to repel water like the back of a duck.
This^^^. And just about the last thing you want to use it for is duct sealing. It drys out due to the heat and leaves a nasty residue.
This Firebird is very well taken care of. I customize all my cars because that’s just the way I am, an enthusiast! Doesn’t matter to me what other folks think about my rides! ☺️
I appreciate this beautiful firebird is being well taken care of.
The 3800 was one of GM,s best ever v6 engines.
I never had this problem on the original 3.8 V-6. I did have this problem on the 3.8 Series II V6. GM knew they had this problem, and corrected it when they rolled out the 3.8 Series III V6 towards the end of this engines manufacturing years in production. The Series III had a metal intake plenim. The series II had a plastic intake plenim.
Fasteners is actually the correct term for them. What is almost universally called a bolt, the correct technical term is a hex head cap screw.
Dang, That looks super clean for a 2002 lol
Every size nut, bolt, stud… all put on the cowl. There is zero chance I’d get this top portion back together. Kudos Ray.
From wikipedia: "During World War II, Revolite (then a division of Johnson & Johnson) developed an adhesive tape made from a rubber-based adhesive applied to a durable duck cloth backing. This tape resisted water and was used to seal some ammunition cases during that period.[1]
"Duck tape" is recorded in the Oxford English Dictionary as having been in use since 1899[2] and "duct tape" (described as "perhaps an alteration of earlier duck tape") since 1965.[3]"
Removing some of those fasteners is the adult version of the game Operation
wow, that ferbird is in great shape for being that old. The exterior looks like it has been very well maintained.
You have cured me of wanting to own a V engine or boxer. I'm glad I only have straight 4 cylinder engines in my possession.
im having ptsd flash backs of my very first car watching this, when i was 18 i had a 1998 firebird 3200 series 2 had the same problem and oh my god i hated how buried and crammed everything was inside of it and everything would break just looking at it🤦♂ and the last 13 years i became a mechanic working on all my ASE certifications.
For every troll that hits the comments, there are100 of us who appreciate what you do and how you do it.
Well said
Yes, maybe the trolls need extra lubricant. What do they say, “the squeaky wheel gets the oil”? 🤣😆
I always heard "the squeaky wheel gets replaced!
Rear main seals on that engine, are frequently not the rear main seal. They are frequently a leak in the corner of one of the plastic valve covers that leak down and appear for all the world underneath the car like a rear main seal leak.
If I remember correctly, there was a technical service bulletin about replacing these on the 3.8 that came out in about 2004 or so.
The chipmunk is the Best MECHANIC 🤣🤣🤣
I used to have a 3400 in my old year '00 Grand Am, that car is still running 15 years later and I abused the hell out of it when I was 16 (my friend I sold it to told me its over 450,000km now). I also had a 3800 Grand Prix GTP, the only thing good in that car was the engine, but sadly the previous owner didn't take care of it and it's radiator was full of sludge, constant issues with coolant lines busting open, and a TON of rust on the underside of the body, but the engine ran like a swiss watch. My mother also had a 3400 in an '05 Grand Am and that thing is still running to this day as well.
Hi Ray, you need to remember that GM assembled this engine on the assembly line bench, where everything was accessible to attach all the bolts, brackets and other fasteners, then engine was installed in the car !!, the GM bean counters didn't care about future repairs and maintenance!!
I remember the blew up a/c compressor, never saw one that bad either. 😮
This confirms that I made the correct choice in getting a 99 Mustang over a 00 Firebird awhile back. Plenty of space to work on the Ford 3.8 ... not so much in the F body GM 3.8.
What a pain in the ass, some cars can be! It’s not bad enough they put the engine so far back, it’s almost in the front seats, but the patience you need to get to some of these nuts, and bolts? I give ya credit Ray. Nice work 👍
Hi Ray, since basically the shop is about 6 miles up on 41 I consider that my neighbor. People shouldn’t hate on how others perceive their cars and what little things they do to the car. I think that the Ferrari bird is a cool car, and I haven’t seen it cruising around the neighborhood but when I do I will definitely give the owner a big thumbs up!!! It just looks like a fun car and with the cold weather we’re having, I would be having that top down and enjoying the fresh air before we all go back into AC Mode when the weather gets back to a million degrees and a million percent humidity!! Great Videos Thanks 🙏
I love he used 'Roman' numerals on an 'Italian' car.
The Febird is an awkward thing to work on,but Ray will always overcome.All good
Opening segment regarding those who make mods their own...beautifully done.
Did quite a few intake sets on the 3800 as a recall campaign.
The GM 3800 Engines were some of Best Engines that they Produced, I own a Chevy LS Impala for 18 years, never any problem with this Engine except Warped Plastic Intake...
I also owned a Chevy Impala with this engine. It did have this problem develop at the same time the transmission started to fail. When this problem started the temperature gauge would fluctuate between the half way mark and would go higher where it never would go when driving in heavy stop and go traffic. When you started to move normally again the gauge then returned to normal. The Impala also had the mass air flow sensor fail twice, and the catalytic converter had to be replaced because it was all plugged up. The ABS traction control module failed along with wheel hubs. The rack and pinion steering rack would leak every 20,000 miles, and had to be replaced. At 19,000 miles the front end sub frame separated due to faulty welds at the factory. GM did replace the sub frame under a silent recall. When the transmission needed to be replaced at 63,000 miles, and the top end gaskets needed replacing at the same time, I sold that car. The Impala LS was the worst Chevrolet I ever owned. 38:02
What a perfectly timely video, I'm about to start this job on my 1998 Firebird with the 3800 this weekend. Has a rebuilt engine but for some boneheaded reason they installed plastic gaskets on it, and the upper is leaking. Might as well do the lowers too.
I can tell the car's owner loves his Ferrari Bird.
That rear bolt is singing, I got to break free, by Queen.🎵
What a PAIN of a teardown, working under that firewall hole !
You have patience and determination, that is what I see every time I watch you wrench which is everyday!
Elevator music is so relaxing. Why am I laughing. Very nice
Glad to see the Ferraribird back....
You have the patience of a saint Mr. Ray!! Great video as always. Have an excellent day and an even better tomorrow...
Don't normally comment on videos but I used to race these engines done thus job numerous times
This video makes me miss my Grand Prix even more. The first used car I bought.
Why can I never find a mechanic the same caliber as Ray?
Dr. Rayman Ray oerfoming open heart surgery on the Ferrari-Bird.... Fantastic Video Ray!!
5:24 I remember that video. That was the first time I've seen the inside of a air conditioner pump. It was cool!
You got to love the Engineer vs. Technician war. It's gone on for well over a millennia. Nobody will know the pain we technicians have to deal with on a daily basis due to an engineers inability to think ahead and think of maintenance.
ray your knowledge and memory is phenominal! even remembering a hidden bolt in the 2nd manifold! you are the man,
That bracket loosening was painful to watch. But not as painful as it was to do, I'm sure! It takes a special kind of persistence to be a mechanic. Great job.
The return of the FIREBIRD!!!! (Insert eagle sound)
Man i was looking forward to the "oh oohh, look who that guy is!" lol
So much of your work seems to basically be archeology. Having to dig through layers of harnesses, hoses, bolt-on parts and brackets to simply uncover that which needs to be repaired is beyond my level of patience, endurance, and tool inventory. I wish you were in my area as I have had mechanics due more harm than repair to my vehicles.
LOL on the rad draining ! Perfect !!
Thanks!
Another great vid. Ray, the 3800 was a great motor and didn't give me any grief. Had a lot more room to work on it in my Buick, so pretty amazing how tough it would be to work on in such a small engine compartment, nice job.
Hey Ray I hate to inform you but in WW II Johnson & Johnson made Duck tape as a replacement for wax on ammo boxes. It was only used in HVAC after WWII. It's not recommended to use it for ducts due to the deterioration of the tape to heat
Going through and watching all your videos! Thank you!
I've had to do the intake manifold gaskets on my 3100 three times already... every 50,000 miles or so. The 'upgraded' Fel-Pro gasket set is better, they last longer, but they still fail also. The other problem on the 3100 is the EGR path inside the intake manifold. Tends to plug up and set a 'low EGR flow' code.
The introduction of LED lamps must have improved working in such tight spaces quite a bit, I think.
As someone who worked with an incandescent drop light for many years YES they still burn you but they are the best lighting for this old man!
What, and lose the added fun of getting scorched repeatedly by the 150 watt bulb in a cage set up?
I buy all sorts of oddball tools and adapters and they never fail to be needed at some point. They always pay for themselves.
Can’t read 800+ comments to see if someone else already pointed this out. According to what I’ve been told, the term “duck tape” was used in connection with its original intended use, the sealing of those metal ammo boxes to keep the elements out, and those using it would say that water rolled of the tape “like water off a duck’s back”, and the term stuck (see what I did there?).
In fact, duct tape as it has been called for a long time now, is one of the WORST kinds of tape to actually use on aircon ducts, as it dries out and the adhesive and body of the tape itself falls apart and fails in the heat and cold it experiences in use.
A good professional heating and air technician will use the reflective shiny “chrome” metal tape as it is ACTUALLY designed for that purpose.
I have to say your a good mechanic You do good work If I lived there I’d definitely let u work on my stuff…
Nice thanks buddy
Solid engine still to this day.
Outstanding video
i loved the 3800 sweet motor
3800 series engine was good. I had one in my Pontiac Gran Prix and had over 300k on it when I got rid of it.
Great video. Thank you for making them.
Thunder chicken for the win. Not a GM fan, but these are pretty sweet looking. Even though theyre horribly put together
I didn't know that the 3.8 also suffered from the intake gasket problem like the 3.1 and the 3.4 does. I have done a few on the 3.1 engines.
Great work Keith always such a good video.
Reeeee! You drove the Ferraribird into the shop with the emergency brake on! Reeeeee! 😂😂😂
It's the rarely seen Ferrariac Pollo Del Tuono (Thunder Chicken), awesome!
Nice job!
Ray, you have the patience of a saint. That design on this Thunderchicken would make me lose my religion.
Your efforts and modesty are reflected in every video. Congratulations.
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Rainman Ray’s repairs. Working on FerrariBirds but not Lamborghinis. 😢 Ray is being a meanie. You’d think that such a talented technician would be open to the Italian carmakers. Come on Ray. Give Maserati a chance… 😂
Nice video! Appreciate it
ahh, the dreaded valley gasket leakage issue. I had a Holden commodore VT. (here in Aus). I understand it had the same engine as the firebird. I had the oil mixing with coolant issue. Turned out to be the dreaded valley gasket. Was a lot easier to change than in this firebird.
That is a well-loved car.
Like it, love it. Want more of it!!!
Great video. I love seeing these because I got a 3800 series II in my Regal
Excellent work Ray👏🏻👏🏻, but I think I would swapped it out for a LS
Loved your Franken wrench!
That home made (Red) Cross Brace to stiffen the frame is pretty rad but IMO it aught to be Chromed to go with the black engine bay.
I think it's Ray's choice of music that keeps him calm and carrying on!
its the responsibility of providing for wife unit the kids and keeping the biz running and his employees wages paid so they can live that's why he cant let the frustrating stuff get to him having a hissy fit don't help ... all these people DEPEND on HIM he has to carry on ....its what real men ,good men do ...RESPECT to ray and the working family man
I worked on a V6 Camaro once that was way back under wiper cowl. Difficult changing spark plugs
Gotta love working on the 3800
Nice video, Ray. That job demonstrates your commitment to your customer and your craft. That were more than a few tight, and hard to reach out of sight spots.
My 99 Grand Prix GTX had the 3800. It bit me hard! The intake was plastic on that awesome ride and it cracked at 55000 miles. Coolant filled the oil pan, fouled everything! Killed it in a parking lot! Thankfully, I worked for a local EMS provider, their shop had to tear everything apart and rebuild the top end. I sold it rather quickly.