@@davidantonacci9525 I believe it’s a New England thing although Iggy is from Detroit. I know that growing up in Chicago Many liquor stores or bars had signs that read “Package Goods” meaning they sold cases
There is some footage of Iggy apologising for this. A real, heart felt apology. It was a word he picked up while visiting the U.K and he did not fully understand it's meaning.
@@CM19986 I read some of the other comments and then found this on urban dictionary....... 'Packy store': Slang term for a liqour store used in MA. Derived from "package store" because its shorter to say. A packy is also the act of someone getting alcohol for underage people at a package store.' Understandable how Iggy Pop may have been confused when some idiot referred to a 'Paki shop' while he was in the UK.
So true. It seems people can't avoid the urge to judge people and call them out on being "offensive". Makes them feel superior and smart when it's really just the opposite.
I think he probably didn't understand the racist connotations of the 'P' word in the U.K., he probably thought it was as inoffensive as saying "A Korean shop" back in the U.S.
I love this clip. I don’t know Iggy Pop but he’s clearly using British words (clobber) and as another comment suggests, a term used in Boston USA for a liquor store.
Exactly. Well said. He clearly thought this was some common 'English' term - and in fact he's correct. It is fairly common. I wouldn't say it, but I don't think for one second he construed it to be offensive, nor did he intend it that way.
NEWSFLASH: Iggy said "packie"/"packy." In certain parts of the US, like here in the Northeast, liquor stores are sometimes called "Package Stores." So the abbreviated slang term is "packie"/"packy." We used to use it all the time, though not so much anymore. I think this was just a case of cultural misunderstanding / divided-by-a-common-language, etc., and he didn't know. Hell, I had no idea the P word was used as a negative in the UK so I wouldn't expect the interviewers to be aware of an obscure American slang term either.
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 Can you explain the context then? Why wouldn't it make sense? Something about Camden High Street? It looks like he's aware he said something bad afterward; my initial impression was that he used a US slang term off-the-cuff rather than actually trying to be malicious. I also never said anything about Iggy being from the Northeast (which consists of more than Massachusetts).
Ok, I watched that vid you put a link to in the info. At 6:01 he talks about it and does apologize & explains that he didn't realize . . . and all that.
Interesting that you say that, because originally the sole reason for posting this video was so that it could be embedded in a blog. I didn't really think it was necessary to disable the comments, but there have been times that I wished that I had.
In the US, stores that sell alcoholic beverages are sometimes called 'package stores'. We call 'em PACKIEs for short. Much ado about nothing, I say....
@HelmutApplebaum That may be true, but you're wrong in this instance. I heard a more recent interview with Iggy where this was directly addressed. He admitted to unwittingly using the racist term because his London friends had said it (in reference to the local store run by Pakistani people) and he didn't realize it was offensive. He later issued an apology and said it was inexcusable. You'll notice he also threw in British slang 'clobber' which means clothes.
Congratulations for being apparently the only person to actually understand what this video is about. This was never about whether Iggy Pop is inherently racist or not - the fact that he later apologized (click the link in the description of this video and go to about 5m 55s) would suggest that he actually did not have any idea what he was saying. This video is entirely about the rather odd manner in which the situation was handled.
@jamchip In America "Asian" means Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.., but in the U.K. it refers to Indians and Pakistani people. Just like here in the U.S. "Chips" means Potato Chips but there you refer to them as "Crisps"
Secondly, the whole issue of words becoming suddenly offensive can be blamed on kids in the playground. They start using acceptable words in a derogatory way over and over again until teachers and parents want certain words banned and they become taboo. To the point where The Spastic's Society had to change it's name to Scope. Because of kids teasing other kids because of their biffed legs. Then all of a sudden Spastic! becomes offensive when it used to be a perfectly legitimate medical term.
Sara i think the idea of posting this video was to spark discussion and any suggestion on my or your part that iggy does or doesn't care would be pure guesswork, since we don't know the guy, love his music though... ;) anything meaningful to contribute???
@solargesture This interview generated lots of press at the time, BBC publicly apologized because the interviewers here didn't say anything about the "racial term" Iggy used--BBC and news agencies covering the story all called it a racist/offensive/disparaging/disciminatory term. The meaning of the word Paki depends on the intent behind it, whether it's meant to be a disparaging term against Pakistanis or more often, used as a sweeping, racist term for people with brown skin from any country.
Whats the point of putting all these replies to people if you don't click reply under each comment, if you do then it goes into their inbox and they will see it. Do you think everyone is going to come back here everyday just to see if you have replied. Or is it a case of you hope they don't see your replies and you get the last word in?
@vunderground1 just checked out your week-old comment and looking at the word in that context, yes you are probably correct. But i was commenting on its use as in the content of this video- which is just a shortened Pakistani. "Radginess"? Where did you learn a word like that lol? ps both comments were "after the pub" moments- which i dont seem to be able to remove. Hows that for admitting im wrong?
In New England, the region around Boston, a "packie" or the "packie store" is where you buy liquor. Short for "Package store." Reference "Real Housewives of South Boston" "Jackie's Packie." The racist term for a store run by South Asians is "Ghandi mart."
Lost in translation *_for sure._* Iggy wouldn't have known. And I hear he referenced it and apologised years later. As for the attitood towards Mark Radcliffe, well I think he took the "shirtless" quip as mildly disrespectful and kinda did that Iggy thing I never really liked - the *_bullying_* thing - but hey, they'd just done a gig - Mr Osterberg was not present! Iggy was miffed at the comment because the only time he's shirtless is onstage pretty much, it's not as though the guy doesn't take sartorial matters seriously *_offstage,_* which is why Mark's slightly clueless comment needled him a little, understandably when you think about it.
Packy is slang for a Package Store, also known as a liquor store. I believe it's a New England thing, as I've heard it all my life and I'm from Central Mass and Boston.
@PokerPlum its because its used as an offensive term in british slang i guess, i totally agree with u but it has been used to the point where it is now an offensive term if ya get me
I'm sorry. Is this video some sort of micro - poke at something someone said or is it a video of someone inciting, or worse yet, someone WANTING TO HEAR SOMETHING? I'm confused.
Absolutely, which is why I can't understand why so many people have gotten so hot under the collar about this video. If people don't believe he knew the connotations of what he was saying - as I don't - then why get so angry? He even apologized later (check the details of this vid for a link), so you couldn't really ask for more. The sole intention of this video was to highlight the rather inconsistent way the use of certain words are dealt with.
From London Slang com paki - a derogatory term used to describe anyone who looks vaguely Asian even though it is an abbreviation for Pakistani. The term is offensive, especially if the person is Indian and not Pakistani. One common phrase that uses the term is "Paki shop", see below. paki shop - a slightly racist (but sometimes semi-affectionate) term used to describe a corner shop (always open, often expensive !) often run by Asians.
While Iggy is from Michigan, the Stooges did most of their touring in New York, New Jersey and the northeast, in Boston which is a huge college town. All area where liquor stores are traditionally known as "package stores". package store noun: a store that sells alcoholic beverages : a liquor store Full Definition of PACKAGE STORE : a store that sells bottled or canned alcoholic beverages for consumption off the premises circa 1918
Much as I like the two presenters, they don't really do much live TV so they were perhaps not best suited to deal with a situation like that. Thing is they didn't apologize for it even after he left - they definitely would have had to if an ordinary member of the public had said it.
Because the `P` word is seen as being a derogatory word for somebody from Pakistan in England. You might want to counter this with the `it`s just the same as calling someone from Australia an Aussie` line of reasoning but unfortunately it`s not. While both are indeed abbreviations, the former carries more linguistic currency as a term of abuse, whilst Aussie is colloquially used in a friendly and jovial manner. If you want this fact exemplifying, you could try using either term in their respective countries and see what the reaction is. Incidentally, I think Iggy is a punk legend, but I don`t know why he said this. It reminds me of how the `W` word is used in Australia to mean Italian, but in England, again, it has extremely racist overtones. I just think that maybe, maybe, Iggy wasn`t aware of the full impact of what he was saying, especially as he`s known for being a gentleman, albeit one who gets his cock out at every opportunity.
It's offensive because for about 20 years, anti-pakistani people used it in an extremely harsh and agressive mannor, it was rarely said other than in that context. It's not the same as saying Brit or Yank for those reasons.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss a word or term only become offensive when the person intends it to harm. Classic example is charity used to be called The Spastic Society. People call each other in the playground "Spastics" and over the course of a generation, the term became derogatory. The charity therefore became "Scope" In victorian times, when the census was done, there were medical terms used such as "idiot" "fool" "imbecile" and people were classed as these terms medically.
If everyone from merseyside were referred to as 'scallies' (which does happen unfortunately) would you ever consider it a term of endearment or acceptable???
Man god damn, is this serious? I wonder how many witch finders here actually walked through Camden...agh it dont mater. Don't you have a "safe space" you can go shut off in? Real talk bro, consider it!
No one would say calling an Australian an "Aussie" was offensive. And you can't say that is because "Aussie" amounts to discrimination of a minority in the UK because Pakistanis vastly outnumber Australians in the UK.
@SuperAkebono I didn't see this post so I deleted the reply to the irrelevant, repetitive post above. "Shit" is an Anglo-Saxon word for feces. "Feces" is a Latinate term, since the Normans wished to enforce their Norman Latinate heritage on the Germanic-speaking Anglo-Saxons, they rendered Anglo terms to be obscene. It's obvious how this makes no sense. It's also obvious how being overly-sensitive to a term that may be used in ignorance can lead to further trifles on the part of the offended.
It was used in Britain in the 70s and 80s by the far-right as an offensive term designed to segregate communities with Asian immigrants in them; it isn't simply a shortening of the word 'Pakistani'.
i agree, whoever posted this should hand their head in shame for even trying to suggest that that was in the slightest bit racist. its blatenly what fist fire said about brown bag. didn't sound like he was describing a packistani shop now did it?
Iggy Pop apologized and said its just a slang term people use, and unless you're really up on the whole British/Pakistani think in London you're not going to know the term is racist. The BBC characterized the use here being equal to calling someone a Brit. Google Camden High Street, just as he states in this clip, that's what the discussion is about, not east U.S. Celebrities know the UK very well and when they're on these shows they speak to that audience and use references they know.
I don't think the main issue is whether Iggy Pop is a racist or not - I've no particular reason to believe he is. What I found most interesting about the clip is how the presenters dealt - or didn't deal - with the situation. If Iggy had used the N-word instead, or if an ordinary punter had used the same term on camera, the presenters DEFINITELY would have had to apologize. I just wondered what was special about either the term used or the person using it that it warranted lesser treatment.
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 He toured extensively in the Northeast punk centers. Boston had a big rock/punk scene back in the day. Bouncing between New York City, Boston, and the other cities in R.I., NJ, PA, Conn, NH. I prohibition times, through out the country, innocuous stores popped up selling various other products, like a general store, and the also packed items for customers. What was unspoken was many of the packaged items customers left with had bottles of booze wrapped up in them, as if prepared for mailing. These stores were called package stores. There are private shipping stores today, like MailBoxes etc. Can you imagine a store like that in the 1920's that sold liquor from the back room. And you walk out, as if you just received a package that was supposedly mailed to you. Which is the story you give when asked. The term "packy" is not just a Mass term, it is still used in various spots. Its just more common up here.
I kinda give him a pass. It’s not a well known slur in the states if at all... I never knew about it until I watched This Is England. And his apology was extremely sincere, like he was really ashamed he said such a thing.
but hey, I'm not saying I go around saying it, cause I'd feel like an idiot. I know what you mean but it's not really "racist", that would mean discrimination, I don't think a name quite like that evokes that. Something more personal might, but I'm sure to some people the word Paki just describes them in general, I dunno. I'd still never use it, myself (your video description is therefore appropriate, I don't know where this conversation was headed. )
Iggy's real name is Jmaes Jewel Osterberg. He is jewish by birth. During the 70's when Bowie in his drug riddled days became obsessed with Nazism and fascism, Iggy and Bowie stayed friends. Now how could a jew from New York be friends with a Brit from Brixton, who's best albums were recorded in a studio located inside an old Nazi social club in Berlin. Artists are complex individuals. What Iggy said (Paki) is nothing but a term he heard and used. It's offensive only when used in an offensive way
middle class "liberals" (and I use the term very broadly, because they are FAR from liberal, "left-wing fascists" would be more appropriate, but "middle-class liberal" puts it in it's historic context) have, since god knows when (probably since the the sixties, when the CIA first started funding Ms Magazine) hijacked the English language with what they term "political correctness", though "policing conversation" would be more appropriate. The (typically working class) habit of employing (harmless) contractions have been presumed to hold negative connotations, when none were in fact there. The contraction "paki" from "pakistani" was PRESUMED by such "left-wing fascists" to carry such negative connotation. The only time the term would be used in a pejorative sense would be when it was preceded by an expletive and usually by someone who was clearly bigoted, such as a "right-wing fascist" and not your normal everyday working class person.
i think he makes it ok with the " we blow the whole thing already" comment, you can tell he knows he said some questionable comments already. look at the old lennon and dylan songs they have a couple songs with racist words. these guys come from a different time when those words were used commonly by people who were not racist..p.s. that crowd missed out large!!
"Packy" in the US means liquor store. Just thought I'd point that out.
so, more than likely iggy pop was probably saying "packy shop" not "paki shop".
Why is a liquor store called a packy? How did it come to be called that?
@@davidantonacci9525 pack of 4 maybe
@@davidantonacci9525 I believe it’s a New England thing although Iggy is from Detroit. I know that growing up in Chicago Many liquor stores or bars had signs that read “Package Goods” meaning they sold cases
Package store.
Are you serious? This man is so innocent and lacking in any mal - intent. Iggy is beautiful.
I saw those pants at my sister's graduation ceremony in New York and wondered if they were from the same shop, @novadrian.
There is some footage of Iggy apologising for this. A real, heart felt apology. It was a word he picked up while visiting the U.K and he did not fully understand it's meaning.
How can you not understand it’s meaning? It’s pretty self explanatory
@@CM19986 I read some of the other comments and then found this on urban dictionary.......
'Packy store': Slang term for a liqour store used in MA. Derived from "package store" because its shorter to say. A packy is also the act of someone getting alcohol for underage people at a package store.'
Understandable how Iggy Pop may have been confused when some idiot referred to a 'Paki shop' while he was in the UK.
@@gronxman1search up thatcher times dickwod
@@gronxman1 Yeah, and
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574
(1) Shops in the UK that are labelled by bigots as 'paki shops' do in fact sell alcohol.
(2) Iggy isn't from the UK
So true. It seems people can't avoid the urge to judge people and call them out on being "offensive". Makes them feel superior and smart when it's really just the opposite.
And this trend has just got 100 x worse over the last 13 years.
I think he probably didn't understand the racist connotations of the 'P' word in the U.K., he probably thought it was as inoffensive as saying "A Korean shop" back in the U.S.
You mean package store? As in liquor store?
@@endtimessupportgroup56851): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
Correct! In the US they are known as "Package Stores". "Going to the packy" was/is common slang in eastern Massachusetts.
Exactly
Yup, grew up in New Hampshire. We used that word all the time for package store.
Yeah, and
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
I love this clip. I don’t know Iggy Pop but he’s clearly using British words (clobber) and as another comment suggests, a term used in Boston USA for a liquor store.
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Boston
don't see anything racist about that
Me either :-)
I'm sorry to hear that.
jmpmcd ergo not really.
In the US, liquor stores are sometimes called "package stores," so we say "packy" for short. That would explain why there's some confusion on here.
I don't think they sell transparent pants in liquor stores though.
Exactly. Well said.
He clearly thought this was some common 'English' term - and in fact he's correct. It is fairly common.
I wouldn't say it, but I don't think for one second he construed it to be offensive, nor did he intend it that way.
I think he was trying to fit in and speak like a Brit.......
NEWSFLASH: Iggy said "packie"/"packy." In certain parts of the US, like here in the Northeast, liquor stores are sometimes called "Package Stores." So the abbreviated slang term is "packie"/"packy." We used to use it all the time, though not so much anymore. I think this was just a case of cultural misunderstanding / divided-by-a-common-language, etc., and he didn't know. Hell, I had no idea the P word was used as a negative in the UK so I wouldn't expect the interviewers to be aware of an obscure American slang term either.
The word is "paki" not "packy", since the term is a contraction of "PAKIstani"
@@mr4nders0n idiot.. iggy is american, he was using his own term for liquor store or corner shop. He didn't say paki. He said packy.
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 Can you explain the context then? Why wouldn't it make sense? Something about Camden High Street? It looks like he's aware he said something bad afterward; my initial impression was that he used a US slang term off-the-cuff rather than actually trying to be malicious. I also never said anything about Iggy being from the Northeast (which consists of more than Massachusetts).
Ok, I watched that vid you put a link to in the info. At 6:01 he talks about it and does apologize & explains that he didn't realize . . . and all that.
It pissed off the "old guard" - that was exactly the point. Two fingers to the establishment.
Interesting that you say that, because originally the sole reason for posting this video was so that it could be embedded in a blog.
I didn't really think it was necessary to disable the comments, but there have been times that I wished that I had.
anyone that posts content publicly then disables comments are cowards.
In the US, stores that sell alcoholic beverages are sometimes called 'package stores'. We call 'em PACKIEs for short. Much ado about nothing, I say....
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
Correction... "Iggy Pop used a correct term at Glastonbury"
Anyone who wants to “cancel” mr pop should watch the music video to “Lust for life” to see exactly how much he cares what people think
what exactly did he say wrong? i somehow didnt get it quite well
@Gnillob802 interesting, thanks for the info pal. So, y'all got any yank shops over there on your High Camden Street?
@HelmutApplebaum That may be true, but you're wrong in this instance. I heard a more recent interview with Iggy where this was directly addressed. He admitted to unwittingly using the racist term because his London friends had said it (in reference to the local store run by Pakistani people) and he didn't realize it was offensive. He later issued an apology and said it was inexcusable. You'll notice he also threw in British slang 'clobber' which means clothes.
@HelmutApplebaum Have you watched the interview in the description?
Congratulations for being apparently the only person to actually understand what this video is about.
This was never about whether Iggy Pop is inherently racist or not - the fact that he later apologized (click the link in the description of this video and go to about 5m 55s) would suggest that he actually did not have any idea what he was saying.
This video is entirely about the rather odd manner in which the situation was handled.
@patmorac thank you. well I know that it uses to say brits referred to british people, is this an insult?
There's a video online where apologises about this incident, I don't see the big deal though.
@jamchip In America "Asian" means Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.., but in the U.K. it refers to Indians and Pakistani people. Just like here in the U.S. "Chips" means Potato Chips but there you refer to them as "Crisps"
Maybe he meant "packee", which is someone who gets his fudge packed by a "packer"
@PunkMartyr If you can point out where it says that he was, I'll be happy to change it.
Secondly, the whole issue of words becoming suddenly offensive can be blamed on kids in the playground. They start using acceptable words in a derogatory way over and over again until teachers and parents want certain words banned and they become taboo. To the point where The Spastic's Society had to change it's name to Scope. Because of kids teasing other kids because of their biffed legs. Then all of a sudden Spastic! becomes offensive when it used to be a perfectly legitimate medical term.
Sara i think the idea of posting this video was to spark discussion and any suggestion on my or your part that iggy does or doesn't care would be pure guesswork, since we don't know the guy, love his music though... ;) anything meaningful to contribute???
And all you need to do is calm down and read the title and description of this video properly.
He's probably using the TH-cam App for Android which doesn't have the REPLY option, (Or if it does, I haven't found it)
@solargesture
This interview generated lots of press at the time, BBC publicly apologized because the interviewers here didn't say anything about the "racial term" Iggy used--BBC and news agencies covering the story all called it a racist/offensive/disparaging/disciminatory term. The meaning of the word Paki depends on the intent behind it, whether it's meant to be a disparaging term against Pakistanis or more often, used as a sweeping, racist term for people with brown skin from any country.
Somewhere, a BBC producer was having a nervous breakdown.
Whats the point of putting all these replies to people if you don't click reply under each comment, if you do then it goes into their inbox and they will see it. Do you think everyone is going to come back here everyday just to see if you have replied. Or is it a case of you hope they don't see your replies and you get the last word in?
@vunderground1 just checked out your week-old comment and looking at the word in that context, yes you are probably correct. But i was commenting on its use as in the content of this video- which is just a shortened Pakistani. "Radginess"? Where did you learn a word like that lol?
ps both comments were "after the pub" moments- which i dont seem to be able to remove. Hows that for admitting im wrong?
ummm, no racist comment in this video? Please lets not hate on Iggy, he has shown us so much love over the decades.
apparently in detroit where he's from they call it a 'packet shop', cause it's where you buy packeted food.
Packy in some parts of the USA means 'liquor store'.
Yeah, and
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
Again, I'd be happy to change the title if there were anything untrue about it.
I haven't once claimed that Iggy Pop is a racist, incidentally.
But yet thats the title of the video... weird.
@@heavymetalviper4850
Only if you believe there's no difference between uttering a word and intention.
@@conrad1on true 👍
In New England, the region around Boston, a "packie" or the "packie store" is where you buy liquor. Short for "Package store." Reference "Real Housewives of South Boston" "Jackie's Packie." The racist term for a store run by South Asians is "Ghandi mart."
Lost in translation *_for sure._* Iggy wouldn't have known. And I hear he referenced it and apologised years later. As for the attitood towards Mark Radcliffe, well I think he took the "shirtless" quip as mildly disrespectful and kinda did that Iggy thing I never really liked - the *_bullying_* thing - but hey, they'd just done a gig - Mr Osterberg was not present! Iggy was miffed at the comment because the only time he's shirtless is onstage pretty much, it's not as though the guy doesn't take sartorial matters seriously *_offstage,_* which is why Mark's slightly clueless comment needled him a little, understandably when you think about it.
@xXxstunner
What should he have done that would have better earned your approval?
Packy is slang for a Package Store, also known as a liquor store. I believe it's a New England thing, as I've heard it all my life and I'm from Central Mass and Boston.
Yeah, and
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
@PokerPlum its because its used as an offensive term in british slang i guess, i totally agree with u but it has been used to the point where it is now an offensive term if ya get me
I'm sorry. Is this video some sort of micro - poke at something someone said or is it a video of someone inciting, or worse yet, someone WANTING TO HEAR SOMETHING?
I'm confused.
Absolutely, which is why I can't understand why so many people have gotten so hot under the collar about this video.
If people don't believe he knew the connotations of what he was saying - as I don't - then why get so angry? He even apologized later (check the details of this vid for a link), so you couldn't really ask for more.
The sole intention of this video was to highlight the rather inconsistent way the use of certain words are dealt with.
From London Slang com
paki - a derogatory term used to describe anyone who looks vaguely Asian even though it is an abbreviation for Pakistani. The term is offensive, especially if the person is Indian and not Pakistani. One common phrase that uses the term is "Paki shop", see below.
paki shop - a slightly racist (but sometimes semi-affectionate) term used to describe a corner shop (always open, often expensive !) often run by Asians.
While Iggy is from Michigan, the Stooges did most of their touring in New York, New Jersey and the northeast, in Boston which is a huge college town. All area where liquor stores are traditionally known as "package stores".
package store noun: a store that sells alcoholic beverages : a liquor store
Full Definition of PACKAGE STORE
: a store that sells bottled or canned alcoholic beverages for consumption off the premises
circa 1918
I can't see where he ever lost his LOOKS!
Didn't even get it at first, here in Boston, Massachusetts and Packie shop is a liquor store
Punk isn't meant to piss people off, it's meant to make them think and challenge them.
I'm pretty sure he is not.
Either he meant "his package" or a liqour store. My cousins use the word as a refrence to a liquor store.
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
He's an American and here in America Liquor stores are called "Packy" stores, which is short for package store.
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
possibly the most alarming fact is that there are people out there who actuall care about what he said.
Actually, part of the point of this was the curious lack of any controversy whatsoever.
you don't really get it
@miamad
Is there any other group of people that you also channel your anger at? If not, why the intense hatred of Pakistanis?
Much as I like the two presenters, they don't really do much live TV so they were perhaps not best suited to deal with a situation like that.
Thing is they didn't apologize for it even after he left - they definitely would have had to if an ordinary member of the public had said it.
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How was that rascist?
Because the `P` word is seen as being a derogatory word for somebody from Pakistan in England. You might want to counter this with the `it`s just the same as calling someone from Australia an Aussie` line of reasoning but unfortunately it`s not. While both are indeed abbreviations, the former carries more linguistic currency as a term of abuse, whilst Aussie is colloquially used in a friendly and jovial manner. If you want this fact exemplifying, you could try using either term in their respective countries and see what the reaction is. Incidentally, I think Iggy is a punk legend, but I don`t know why he said this. It reminds me of how the `W` word is used in Australia to mean Italian, but in England, again, it has extremely racist overtones. I just think that maybe, maybe, Iggy wasn`t aware of the full impact of what he was saying, especially as he`s known for being a gentleman, albeit one who gets his cock out at every opportunity.
Andrew Burns
andrew barns just shit over all the youtube commens on this thread. someone give this man 1000 thumbs up
But Iggy doesn't leave in Slag Country...
For all we know he thought the term meant 'packing shop'. Dont expect Iggy Pop to be the brightest bulb in the pack.
And when did I ever claim that he was?
It's offensive because for about 20 years, anti-pakistani people used it in an extremely harsh and agressive mannor, it was rarely said other than in that context. It's not the same as saying Brit or Yank for those reasons.
@FrogmortonHotchkiss a word or term only become offensive when the person intends it to harm. Classic example is charity used to be called The Spastic Society. People call each other in the playground "Spastics" and over the course of a generation, the term became derogatory. The charity therefore became "Scope"
In victorian times, when the census was done, there were medical terms used such as "idiot" "fool" "imbecile" and people were classed as these terms medically.
If everyone from merseyside were referred to as 'scallies' (which does happen unfortunately) would you ever consider it a term of endearment or acceptable???
If you point out anything that's factually inaccurate about this video, I'll be happy to correct it.
Man god damn, is this serious? I wonder how many witch finders here actually walked through Camden...agh it dont mater. Don't you have a "safe space" you can go shut off in? Real talk bro, consider it!
No one would say calling an Australian an "Aussie" was offensive. And you can't say that is because "Aussie" amounts to discrimination of a minority in the UK because Pakistanis vastly outnumber Australians in the UK.
Can I ask what was the racist thing he said?...I'm not english so I didn't understood what was rasistic about that.
pack-y shop is slang for package store, or a convenience store.
It as a stretch to say it is anything racist at all.
why did you ask if you knew the answer?
@SuperAkebono
I didn't see this post so I deleted the reply to the irrelevant, repetitive post above. "Shit" is an Anglo-Saxon word for feces. "Feces" is a Latinate term, since the Normans wished to enforce their Norman Latinate heritage on the Germanic-speaking Anglo-Saxons, they rendered Anglo terms to be obscene. It's obvious how this makes no sense. It's also obvious how being overly-sensitive to a term that may be used in ignorance can lead to further trifles on the part of the offended.
Um, it's definitely not benign. The contexts in which I've heard that word have universally been derisive.
It was used in Britain in the 70s and 80s by the far-right as an offensive term designed to segregate communities with Asian immigrants in them; it isn't simply a shortening of the word 'Pakistani'.
i agree, whoever posted this should hand their head in shame for even trying to suggest that that was in the slightest bit racist. its blatenly what fist fire said about brown bag. didn't sound like he was describing a packistani shop now did it?
Who called him a racist?
Iggy Pop apologized and said its just a slang term people use, and unless you're really up on the whole British/Pakistani think in London you're not going to know the term is racist. The BBC characterized the use here being equal to calling someone a Brit. Google Camden High Street, just as he states in this clip, that's what the discussion is about, not east U.S. Celebrities know the UK very well and when they're on these shows they speak to that audience and use references they know.
I agree mate. We aren't "Brits", we are English, Welsh, Scottish etc. We all have our own cultural identities.
I don't think the main issue is whether Iggy Pop is a racist or not - I've no particular reason to believe he is. What I found most interesting about the clip is how the presenters dealt - or didn't deal - with the situation. If Iggy had used the N-word instead, or if an ordinary punter had used the same term on camera, the presenters DEFINITELY would have had to apologize. I just wondered what was special about either the term used or the person using it that it warranted lesser treatment.
I haven't once accused him of being a racist, but that's still a racist term, no matter what anyone says.
Yeah well that isn't the term in circulation where I'm from my friend...
the lesson of this: the art is greater than the artist.
@ThePieIsLie i agree , when i was a kid everyone used that term , it wasnt seen as racist .
Bloody hell, You're right!! She does!!!! (Terrahawks was excellent by the way. I didn't think anyone else would remember that show)
The real controversy is why he's wearing a shirt.
Search TH-cam for "Boston Accent - How To Speak American" you hear the use of the word "Packy" for liquor store.
Yeah, and
1): liquor store doesn’t make any sense in the context of the story Iggy is telling
2): Iggy isn’t from Massachusetts
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 He toured extensively in the Northeast punk centers. Boston had a big rock/punk scene back in the day. Bouncing between New York City, Boston, and the other cities in R.I., NJ, PA, Conn, NH. I prohibition times, through out the country, innocuous stores popped up selling various other products, like a general store, and the also packed items for customers. What was unspoken was many of the packaged items customers left with had bottles of booze wrapped up in them, as if prepared for mailing. These stores were called package stores. There are private shipping stores today, like MailBoxes etc. Can you imagine a store like that in the 1920's that sold liquor from the back room. And you walk out, as if you just received a package that was supposedly mailed to you. Which is the story you give when asked. The term "packy" is not just a Mass term, it is still used in various spots. Its just more common up here.
he's talking about a packey, regional american slang for a cigarette stand or liquor store, or newsagent in the uk.
I kinda give him a pass. It’s not a well known slur in the states if at all... I never knew about it until I watched This Is England. And his apology was extremely sincere, like he was really ashamed he said such a thing.
Hey girl... I was wondering... What's the name you would use for Spaniards???
there's no fuss if someone says the word "Brits"
but hey, I'm not saying I go around saying it, cause I'd feel like an idiot. I know what you mean but it's not really "racist", that would mean discrimination, I don't think a name quite like that evokes that. Something more personal might, but I'm sure to some people the word Paki just describes them in general, I dunno. I'd still never use it, myself (your video description is therefore appropriate, I don't know where this conversation was headed. )
I didn't 'make' the word racist actually; a bunch of racists had more of a hand in that.
What’s worse here is the two presenters just sitting there and laughing and carrying on .
You telling me you dont get any scallies needing a few stitches on a Saturday night in Liverpool?
Iggy's real name is Jmaes Jewel Osterberg. He is jewish by birth. During the 70's when Bowie in his drug riddled days became obsessed with Nazism and fascism, Iggy and Bowie stayed friends. Now how could a jew from New York be friends with a Brit from Brixton, who's best albums were recorded in a studio located inside an old Nazi social club in Berlin. Artists are complex individuals. What Iggy said (Paki) is nothing but a term he heard and used. It's offensive only when used in an offensive way
Tf?? When did Iggy say anything racist in this interview? I KNOW 4 a fact that Iggy’s not a racist.
middle class "liberals" (and I use the term very broadly, because they are FAR from liberal, "left-wing fascists" would be more appropriate, but "middle-class liberal" puts it in it's historic context) have, since god knows when (probably since the the sixties, when the CIA first started funding Ms Magazine) hijacked the English language with what they term "political correctness", though "policing conversation" would be more appropriate. The (typically working class) habit of employing (harmless) contractions have been presumed to hold negative connotations, when none were in fact there. The contraction "paki" from "pakistani" was PRESUMED by such "left-wing fascists" to carry such negative connotation. The only time the term would be used in a pejorative sense would be when it was preceded by an expletive and usually by someone who was clearly bigoted, such as a "right-wing fascist" and not your normal everyday working class person.
I was more offended by the thought of Iggy wearing transparent trousers.
he obviously didn't mean it in an offensive way.
i think he makes it ok with the " we blow the whole thing already" comment, you can tell he knows he said some questionable comments already. look at the old lennon and dylan songs they have a couple songs with racist words. these guys come from a different time when those words were used commonly by people who were not racist..p.s. that crowd missed out large!!
@ReynVideo In Britain it is a very offensive term. It's up there with any derogatory racial word.