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I MUCH prefer this style of video- with your thoughts and commentary, even seeing how each is adjusted, vs. your newer releases. Not sure what your motivation was for the transition to the silent clips on the stark-white background was, but not NEARLY as engaging when all we hear are pedals back and forth. I've gained a lot of valuable insight, history and knowledge in general from this style of review. I hope to "hear" more from YOU in future demos.
they are both identical, old has more gain, that is all, tried them both through a 2x12 tube amp. I would suggest to anyone to get these pedals modded to be upgraded with better components
I have the boss ge-7 that i bought new about 2 years ago. i have the same observations about it. it dulls out the highs a little bit. but i just have to bring up the presence or treble in the other pedals to make up for it. all in all, it sounds pretty much identical to the one heard on this video.
This is just heresay, but from what I've heard from older guitarists, is that when digital recording became more prominent in the late 80s, a lot of pedal companies began using computers to do digital quality assurance and performance monitoring on their products. This eventually led to BOSS producing these newer pedals that have a flatter and less colorful response because they wanted their products to be consistent. The other factor is globalization: electrical components and labor costs shifted the sourcing and distribution such that new BOSS pedals will inherently sound different because they're being made from different parts.
This video makes me happy (I'll take what I can get); I recently bought a MIJ GE-7 and only paid £30 for it because the previous owner drilled a hole through the label to lock it to his pedalboard, and the led is broken. It still sounds great. It's debatable if you need an eq. Too many pedals, too much tone sucking, plus not even an eq can fix loss in sound. I currently use it live for cutting through the bass and drums as my amps doesn't really cut it. on that note, it's great for cutting out frequencies too and I recommend starting there first if tweaking you amp doesn't attain the desired effect.
All pedals are going to be just a tadd different , due to the percentage tolerance of pots, resistors and capacitors. Even low voltage a bit will change the sound.
I got one on ebay pre-owned, like new, very cheap, so I spent the spare cash on getting it modded with upgraded parts, sounds SOOO much clearer than both these stock variants.
The new one "dulling the sound down a bit" might be because of the buffer in the first pedal. I wonder if you switched them if the second pedal would always sound duller. It seems like one Boss pedal can, in some situations actually improve your tone. But I have found that more than one, or probably more accurately, more than one buffered bypass pedal will dull my tone.
I've had just the opposite problem stacking Boss pedals. Generally they have more treble and upper mids when I stack boss pedals right next to one another. That said, it's not a desirable sound for me either.
A Buffer is made to compensate for loosing the treble that causes when using cables. So this is a good thing, when you do not want to „dull“ your tone. So it is not fully correct, that you dull the sound with a buffer, because you dull it without using a buffer. What would be a fairer Comparison is to a/b the two ones with a Line Selector weather its buffered or not. The differences might be so small, that in a musical situation, with other instruments, it would be impossible to tell which one would be the modern or the vintage one. Happy scooping 😊
It would have been better to have them in a true bypass looper, as the vintage when engage is going thru the buffer preamp of the new version, but not having the vintage daisy chained would make the LED not to turn on and maybe work different if not using the orignal Boss ACA adapter. Even like that you get a very good comparison. Thanks shnobel for the very good demo.
Guys, I have two of this, Both made in taiwan, but one is black label, that uses ACA adapter, 13v, seems that its older, probably 80's? and i have a recent one. I haven't tried them at the same time but, would you recommend me to keep the old one? I dont know if its considered as vintage. thanks!
Two of the exact same pedals pulled right from the factory will not sound exactly the same, it's not possible to build these products 100% exact each time. There will always be tolerances in manufacturing and those minute differences will show up now just like it did 20 years ago. Test two of the same vintage mij pedals and they will sound slightly different.
That's true, but... In almost every comparison, the relationship is the same. Almost every single time, the vintage pedal sounds better, and then the blame goes to component differences... Over and over and over again.
you have them in series -a bit unfair for the new one to be downstream of the old one no matter how uncolored traveling through the 2 TR 1/4" connections and internal wiring might be. I suggest making this a little more scientific next time be feeding them from an upstream and downstream switch -but I like the video and approach -nice work.
You forgot that the buffers in both pedals are on too, at the same time, because they're not true bypass. This makes a bigger difference than the wiring. The order of the pedals can even make a difference. With that said, the results are pretty consistent with almost anything comparing old/new. I frequently have old pedals I love, get a new one, and the new ones never sound the same. If it is component drift, then the new ones need to be designed matching the component drifts of good sounding pedals.
@@XChristianNoirX "internal wiring" was my reference to the buffers -sorry for lazy wording -Yeah, he absolutely shouldnt feed them in series to test -they should see the same impedance upstream.
I have owned the newer GE-7 years ago, it had a kind of, darker sound, even if you adjust the high frequencies, it had a darker "bassier" vibe. That might be a weird thing to say about an EQ pedal lol. A friend also had a newer version GE-7 on his board, by this time, i already bought an old made in Japan GE-7. We compared the 2 units, the older Japan made pedal seems to sound more "open" and the high frequencies "sparkle". Just my experience with it, and i still have it, love to use it on live gigs and recording sessions, (a great guitar frequency problem solver IMO).
This is the wrong way to conduct this test... You put the newer one second in the chain. The buffered bypass of the old pedal dulls the frequency response of the new pedal. You need an A/B box to do this correctly. Sigh...
the new ones are very noisy. So much so that I modded mine with new components (OAmp, etc...) and now it is wonderfully quiet. I was surprised to hear how quiet both demo pedals were on this vid.
Original has more presence and sounds a bit thicker too. Why do manufacturers have to do this....just to make us nuts! Make the damn thing the same will you!
Another pedal reviewer ( In The Blues ) got a terrible hiss from this pedal, as soon as it was engaged.! Enuff to warrant not buying it. You however are not experiencing that OR you are eliminating the hiss either with a gate or suppressor or in the editing of your recording. Please advise 'cause the hiss I heard in that previously mentioned You Tube demo was a deal breaker.Thank you
The old one sounds louder and noisier to me. The newer one affects the sound less. That's what I would prefer in an EQ pedal. It's not supposed to be an effect.
Typical invalid pedal comparison because of the UNACCOUNTED FOR BUFFER IN THE SIGNAL CHAIN...jeez, why bother doing this at all if you're not going to do it properly??
Thanks for this! I could hear a subtle difference - bought an older one off ebay. Thanks for the help.
so close to my old ears......Thanks for making all of your videos.
I MUCH prefer this style of video- with your thoughts and commentary, even seeing how each is adjusted, vs. your newer releases. Not sure what your motivation was for the transition to the silent clips on the stark-white background was, but not NEARLY as engaging when all we hear are pedals back and forth. I've gained a lot of valuable insight, history and knowledge in general from this style of review.
I hope to "hear" more from YOU in future demos.
they are both identical, old has more gain, that is all, tried them both through a 2x12 tube amp. I would suggest to anyone to get these pedals modded to be upgraded with better components
Great video really enjoyed listening
Yea i know what you mean, im just testing the general character of the pedals, but yes technically i should use an ab box
I have the boss ge-7 that i bought new about 2 years ago. i have the same observations about it. it dulls out the highs a little bit. but i just have to bring up the presence or treble in the other pedals to make up for it. all in all, it sounds pretty much identical to the one heard on this video.
I dont know much about drifting values, but i believe the old one uses better components inside.
Very good review...I have a newer GE7 that works fine, but been wondering how it would stack up to the MIJ I had back when .
the vintage take me to very warm sound than the new brand ....really great review man
This is just heresay, but from what I've heard from older guitarists, is that when digital recording became more prominent in the late 80s, a lot of pedal companies began using computers to do digital quality assurance and performance monitoring on their products. This eventually led to BOSS producing these newer pedals that have a flatter and less colorful response because they wanted their products to be consistent. The other factor is globalization: electrical components and labor costs shifted the sourcing and distribution such that new BOSS pedals will inherently sound different because they're being made from different parts.
Maybe they should have made the pedals more consistently colorful, by matching the values of a good sounding, ckrful pedal.
The old one just seems more transparent and warm.
This video makes me happy (I'll take what I can get); I recently bought a MIJ GE-7 and only paid £30 for it because the previous owner drilled a hole through the label to lock it to his pedalboard, and the led is broken. It still sounds great. It's debatable if you need an eq. Too many pedals, too much tone sucking, plus not even an eq can fix loss in sound. I currently use it live for cutting through the bass and drums as my amps doesn't really cut it. on that note, it's great for cutting out frequencies too and I recommend starting there first if tweaking you amp doesn't attain the desired effect.
Holy crap. This guy had never heard of velcro? Sweet deal though
All pedals are going to be just a tadd different , due to the percentage tolerance of pots, resistors and capacitors. Even low voltage a bit will change the sound.
The difference could be a slight difference in the amount of boost.
I got one on ebay pre-owned, like new, very cheap, so I spent the spare cash on getting it modded with upgraded parts, sounds SOOO much clearer than both these stock variants.
What elements did you change on your pedal?
The new one "dulling the sound down a bit" might be because of the buffer in the first pedal. I wonder if you switched them if the second pedal would always sound duller.
It seems like one Boss pedal can, in some situations actually improve your tone. But I have found that more than one, or probably more accurately, more than one buffered bypass pedal will dull my tone.
I've had just the opposite problem stacking Boss pedals. Generally they have more treble and upper mids when I stack boss pedals right next to one another. That said, it's not a desirable sound for me either.
Exactly. He needed to run the pedals in parallel not series. He should get a Boss line driver so he could a/b them
@@kellyjackson7889 the BOSS LS-2 has buffers in it to. One really needs a TB switcher.
A Buffer is made to compensate for loosing the treble that causes when using cables. So this is a good thing, when you do not want to „dull“ your tone. So it is not fully correct, that you dull the sound with a buffer, because you dull it without using a buffer. What would be a fairer Comparison is to a/b the two ones with a Line Selector weather its buffered or not. The differences might be so small, that in a musical situation, with other instruments, it would be impossible to tell which one would be the modern or the vintage one. Happy scooping 😊
Thanks for the video.
I prefer the old one, vintage sound
I have both pedals MIJ and MIT, but I can't hear any difference at all in this video and live situation.
That's a beautiful sounding guitar. Who is more responsible for this, Leo or Pete . or both :) ?
It would have been better to have them in a true bypass looper, as the vintage when engage is going thru the buffer preamp of the new version, but not having the vintage daisy chained would make the LED not to turn on and maybe work different if not using the orignal Boss ACA adapter. Even like that you get a very good comparison. Thanks shnobel for the very good demo.
Hello, could you tell me what year is the pedal made in Japan?
Thank you,
Regards,
Guys,
I have two of this, Both made in taiwan, but one is black label, that uses ACA adapter, 13v, seems that its older, probably 80's? and i have a recent one.
I haven't tried them at the same time but, would you recommend me to keep the old one?
I dont know if its considered as vintage. thanks!
How can you tell the difference between a vintage and 'New' Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer?
What year is the vintage one?
Two of the exact same pedals pulled right from the factory will not sound exactly the same, it's not possible to build these products 100% exact each time. There will always be tolerances in manufacturing and those minute differences will show up now just like it did 20 years ago. Test two of the same vintage mij pedals and they will sound slightly different.
That's true, but... In almost every comparison, the relationship is the same. Almost every single time, the vintage pedal sounds better, and then the blame goes to component differences... Over and over and over again.
you have them in series -a bit unfair for the new one to be downstream of the old one no matter how uncolored traveling through the 2 TR 1/4" connections and internal wiring might be.
I suggest making this a little more scientific next time be feeding them from an upstream and downstream switch -but I like the video and approach -nice work.
You forgot that the buffers in both pedals are on too, at the same time, because they're not true bypass. This makes a bigger difference than the wiring. The order of the pedals can even make a difference.
With that said, the results are pretty consistent with almost anything comparing old/new.
I frequently have old pedals I love, get a new one, and the new ones never sound the same. If it is component drift, then the new ones need to be designed matching the component drifts of good sounding pedals.
@@XChristianNoirX "internal wiring" was my reference to the buffers -sorry for lazy wording -Yeah, he absolutely shouldnt feed them in series to test -they should see the same impedance upstream.
I have owned the newer GE-7 years ago, it had a kind of, darker sound, even if you adjust the high frequencies, it had a darker "bassier" vibe. That might be a weird thing to say about an EQ pedal lol. A friend also had a newer version GE-7 on his board, by this time, i already bought an old made in Japan GE-7. We compared the 2 units, the older Japan made pedal seems to sound more "open" and the high frequencies "sparkle". Just my experience with it, and i still have it, love to use it on live gigs and recording sessions, (a great guitar frequency problem solver IMO).
I have one with a mod I made myself. It's soooo much better now!
Rogerio Sartori can you please share what components you changed???
Does the Japanese one require a different (ACA) power supply?
I have the made in Japan OC2, CS3 DD3 and GE7 and they all used the regular 9v pedal adapters
La diferencia es muy ligera, la mínima diferencia esta en que el japonés tiene un poco más de gain, boost y/ó sustain pero es casi imperceptible
Digital sound i dont really like it, id rather shape n boost with sim amp
That's why pedal loopers were invented
If you play a lot of different size rooms and spaces the GE7 will become your best pal.
This is the wrong way to conduct this test... You put the newer one second in the chain. The buffered bypass of the old pedal dulls the frequency response of the new pedal. You need an A/B box to do this correctly. Sigh...
the new ones are very noisy. So much so that I modded mine with new components (OAmp, etc...) and now it is wonderfully quiet. I was surprised to hear how quiet both demo pedals were on this vid.
Believe me...the old one much much better than the new one...very far away...
no siento la diferencia
Original has more presence and sounds a bit thicker too. Why do manufacturers have to do this....just to make us nuts! Make the damn thing the same will you!
difference is so smal you wount hear it if you are not looking for it
Old one much warmer
The old one sounds better, more high's and warmer. I just ordered one on ebay.
Another pedal reviewer ( In The Blues ) got a terrible hiss from this pedal, as soon as it was engaged.! Enuff to warrant not buying it. You however are not experiencing that OR you are eliminating the hiss either with a gate or suppressor or in the editing of your recording. Please advise 'cause the hiss I heard in that previously mentioned You Tube demo was a deal breaker.Thank you
get a danelectro fish n chips no hiss hum 30bucks
made in Japan
No fckn matter man, i have both.
The old one sounds louder and noisier to me. The newer one affects the sound less. That's what I would prefer in an EQ pedal. It's not supposed to be an effect.
Old one is more musical though. Newer one sounds a bit "peaky" and nasal in the upper mids and highs.
the old one is better... the new one suck much more tone.
This is a bull shit, i have 'em both. ))
@@Alexhangman According to this video I agree the old one is more musical. Could have something to do with the series connection though.
Typical invalid pedal comparison because of the UNACCOUNTED FOR BUFFER IN THE SIGNAL CHAIN...jeez, why bother doing this at all if you're not going to do it properly??