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Great demo! It's remarkable how similar these two are, that's pretty amazing consistency from BOSS. To my ears, the newer DS-1 seemed to have a bit more low end which worked nicely with the single coil pups but the silver screw '79 had a nice open sound as the distortion was cranked up. The DS1 one is definetely underrated.
The older DS-1 to me sounds tighter and flatter, therefore smoother and more pleasant. The newer DS-1 to me sounds fuller, more aggressive on the mids, which could be good, but also more spikey and resonant, therefore wilder and less pleasant. I also like, that the older DS starts with less gain, which gives more options of distortion to choose from. It would have been quite interesting to me (too), how the same comparison would have sounded with the pedals "Tone" rolled down, to hear, how differently the sound is rounded in comparison of the two.
For that difference in price and availability, there's hardly any difference that can't be worked around by just EQ-ing a little bit darker or just recording it a little off-axis.
The funny thing is that 60’s / 70’s musicans and manufacturers were by far not such a tone nerds as we are today. They produced the pedals from various components... suppliers. No batch ... even not two pedals sounded 100% the same! The difference you hear (if you hear any) is mostly tolerance in pots! The pedals sound 95% the same. Good job Boss!
Really nice demo, thank you! The best one to my mind as you plaeyd same notes for both pedals in comparison to reviews where people just play minutes something different for each pedal.
I own an old one from 1983 with the original Toshiba chip, same chip as this vintage model in the vid. I'm going to sell mine and get the new one after watching this comparison, I honestly cant tell the difference. Thanks for a great vid!
That would be a huge mistake my friend. 1st ry a battery that's around 7 volts. I too use a JMP 2203 and 2204 with this just before the input, and through the high input with the preamp only at 4 though. Then the Distortion I leave on all the time shutting it off only when the Music Stops
Cool demo. What year is the modern one? My impressions: vintage DS-1 has less gain in lower gain settings, a weaker midrange, has a kind of crispy shimmering hard to define quality on the top frequencies (this I interpret as vintage mojo), and it really came to life with the gain maxed out; modern DS-1 is more consistent across the gain spectrum, seems to have a litte more bass and midrange, sounds a little more messy on higher gain. Both sound very close, it's actually pretty impressive.
EVERYONE. The older one sounds thinner because the signal going into it is brighter due to the output buffer on the new one. If you swapped the pedals around in the chain then the new one would sound thinner. I'm sure if you tested both of them with an AB box set-up they would sound basically identical.
I don't agree first off the original had the Bucket Brigade chip, and when properly abused with a battery around 7 volts it's heaven to my ears hence Robert Keeley mod
without any visual bias or anything, just having the video played in the background, i can't hear any difference from the two pedals, which is just crazy to me considering they've released this effects box in '78. great job!
Fantastic demo! Thanks. They sound quite similar to my ear I guess the diference is that the vintage one is easier to modificate and repair due to the electronic components. I own a new one and I was about to buy a vintage so watching this video helped me save a lot of money. 😄
I can notice that the vintage sound is a little bit weak, with less bass. Electrolic capacitors tend to dry by the time and the sound become weak until it fail. Vintage electronics gear is not a good deal due to electrolic capacitors life time.
I would use both for different applications, but I would lean towards to old DS-1 in a band setting because it seems to be more open and articulate and I’m guessing you’d cut through a mix and be heard more. I think this would be more apparent if you dimed the level on both and put them through the same gain settings. They both rock but I like to be heard when I step on my dirt boxes. That being said I also use and love the DS-1x, I initially scoffed at it at my local shop but tried it on a whim and it blew me away, the Pete Thorn video was the final nail in the coffin, if you can pick that pedal up used and cheap - do it!
The modern pedal has a fuller midrange and bass, the old seems a bit weaker but it has a nice shimmery top end, all depends on what you want from the DS-1, I used a friends on my amp on the drive channel with a light bit of gain and the pedal at full, makes some really nice splattery sounds.
@@brainstewX do you really expect to understand via a pc what another person's ears hear? The difference by the way is day and night. I play the silver screw, however this video is not showing what it can really do. Basically you all don't know. So simple :)
Here are some zero pretense objective thoughts: for all practical purposes, they sound 99.999% the same on their own, so they would sound EXACTLY the same on an album or in a live setting. Classic, consistent pedal. Great vid!
+gmlasam Believe it or not, things actually do change. Whether you hear it or not, there is a real difference, due to the fact that boss has changed the opamp chip at least twice since the DS-1 was originally introduced. It's not uncommon for components to get swapped and substituted over time for various reasons (usually cost-cutting), especially when something has been in production for as long as the DS-1 has been. The earlier DS-1s have less of a sterile and buzzy texture to the distortion, making them more usable at higher tone and gain settings. with the new ones, you usually have to turn the tone a lot in order to mask the "bees in a jam jar" character of the distortion, or turn the gain way down so that there's less of that buzzy sound to begin with. I can't hear the difference too dramatically in this video either, through my headphones or my laptop speakers, but there's also a difference between watching a video demo on youtube and actually plugging your guitar into one of these pedals and playing it...
Not too many differences but I think the old one sounds more tough :) Thanks for comparision, I would also like to see comparision with the Japanese ones
I got a 1990 and a new one, they're 100% identical except the new one is all SMT inside, other than that the sound is identical. And I still think it's the best distortion pedal out there.
Thanks for test but .... Boss pedals are not true bypass, so tone is affected when pedal is off. Try to change order of pedals and result will be different. It is necessary to use bypass loope, A/B etc...
Most the difference can be explained by parts tolerances. No two of the same pedal will sound exactly the same because many of the parts have between a 1-20% potential for difference in either direction so one part could be 40% off the same part in another pedal.
For the difference in dollars to buy vintage vs modern, modern wins out here. In the mix there is no discernible differences to be heard. Thanks for comparison!
Totally agree. Not to mention all the hate for the newer DS-1, which I just can't understand. It's got a really good tone especially considering you can get one for around $25.
Yeah, if people don't like the sound that's one thing, but some people swear up and down that "oh, New Boss sucks, old stuff is great." While in the case of something like the Boss CE-2 it is true, the old and new DS-1 (i've played one example of the vintage and a few newer ones) are basically the same. Difference is unnoticeable in most situations.
Kevin van den Berg Which is ironicaly why I like it, take one of these max it out and run it through a amp set for distortion and you have an utterly psychotic sound
Very close and for $89 aud for the new one or $300+ for the 80s one hard to justify. I’m hearing a grittier raw bright tone from the vintage & a more polished compressed tone from the modern version ✌️🎸🤘🏿
I have two DS-1s - a late 1980s MIJ, with the original circuit, and a 2017 40th anniversary model... I've owned and played through many different DS-1s in the past, though. I love the DS-1, for its gnarly, aggressive distortion and sharp, cutting voicing. You know, the thing that makes everyone gripe about how it sounds "thin"? That, in combination with the abrasive texture of the distortion, helps to give you a defined sound in a very dense mix with other instruments... But yeah, amateurs gonna amateur. ...I have to say, the original MIJ version is quite a lot better, unless you're just trying to copy Kurt Cobain, in which case - don't worry about it - just get whatever DS-1 you can find, crank the gain and have fun :) The most audible difference really is that there's this kind of un-musical scratchy, grainy static overtone in the more recent ones that isn't present in the original. You get the same aggressive distortion, but it sounds a bit more organic, without that dissonant overtone. Not having the nasty static overtone makes the pedal actually usable, in a 'lo-fi fuzz' kind of way, when you turn the tone knob up above half way. I actually have every intention of buying a bunch of used DS-1s and trying different mods to try to eliminate that static sound as best I can without changing anything else, to see how close I can get a new one to sounding like an original one. Other differences: original one seems to have a bit more headroom at the input stage, for whatever reason, meaning there's a more open dynamic range and response. This sort of stuff isn't a placebo effect, but a lot of it can only really be recognised when you spend some time with both versions of the pedal, playing through them yourself - you're not gonna pick up on these things if you're just gonna listen to someone else. Especially on youtube, through tiny phone/earbud/laptop speakers.
I really want to say I hear a difference but I don't really. Maybe I'll have to break out the hi-fi headphones for this but going by my speakers alone it's barely noticeable.
Both are great pedals as are most, i have many (including an un touched original 1986 boss ds-1 distortion pedal, (the sound beautiful tone) but i also have a custom made board (fully loaded), hand woven srv pick ups, collected magnets, best pots etc etc the works that rocket fire guitars at the time (18 years ago) put in $10,000 guitars. thanks Nick.I hear amazing sound including a 2010 (black label) ts808 reissue. including a ocd v1.4. A pedal is the sound you put in it and your guitar (and you) then your amp then turn on your pedal. Thank you to all those workers who made these amazing pedals (by hand). Thanks for video, my input they both sound great, enjoy.
Did you check that the inside electronic circuit of the old Boss hasn't been changed to a new circuit. they sound total the same. No difference at all.
Vintage Boss pedals require 12V AC adapter or battery to operate!! Look at the dimed LED, this happens when you plug only 9V adapter into it and it's wrong. Pedal is not running properly.
when you daisy chain the power supply cables, having a vintage boss pedal connected to a standard 9V pedal that's running from the same power supply bypasses the voltage reduction circuit inside the vintage boss pedal, allowing it to function correctly with a 9V power supply. It's when you have isolated power supply outputs, or are running the pedal on its own, with no other FX, that you start needing a 12V supply.
I have both ds1 japan black label (circa 80') and taiwan (circa 2000) and thry both great sounding depends on what ur playing. IMO the vint ds1 got more low end and the usefull pot from min to max.
Definitely, there's a reason why after Cobain's first DS-1 was stolen or went missing, he procured a new one, which was version 2 and didn't like it and wouldn't use it to record In Utero. Turns out a critical IC, that was in the original, was updated in the newer version and he noticed the difference and he refused to use it. He then found out that the DS-2 had that original IC installed in it and that's why he changed models between Bleach/Nevermind, where he used an original DS-1, & In Utero where he used a DS-2. The DS-2 has a Turbo switch and when turned to setting 2 sounds like the original DS-1, but when turned to setting 1 it sounds like the new DS-1. Also why there's a $50AUD difference between the 2 pedals. The DS-2 is basically the both versions of the DS-1 with a switch to change between the slight differences in distortion. I own this pedal and only use it with the Turbo switch set to 2. The original sound is crisper.
@@andym2612 DS2 has a remote foot switch jack so you can switch to turbo mode, and Turbo Mode II which is actually a mid booster with high gain distortion. I used to use it as a lead guitar boost for solos. Cuts through the mix and all in one pedal.
@@freedomination2 Yeah I got a footswitch too. Quite a difference in the sounds. I use mine in mode 1 for verses and switch to mode 2 for choruses and solos. It's like having 2 pedals in one, awesome value pedal for AUD $135.
Vintage vs. modern....in the end I think the secret to these pedals sounding great has more to do with what amps they are plugged into more than anything else
Pfft. Same same. On a similar note: I had an original OD-1 & a new SD-1. A/Bi-ng these had me sell the OD-1. Despite the added tone control. Aged components and different opamps (I think?) they were identical so I kept the new one with tone control. Just sayin'
it is impossible to compare it so easily because the capacity of electrolytic capacitors after so many years in the Japanese copy is different than 30 years ago :-)
i think this ds1 gets hot when blended with another tones, like a good amp's. alone itself it got that remarkable bee sound but it is up to the player to let it or solve it. on this vid it sounded just OK. last night i tried mine on a good amp and it was exactly like my fav main distorted sound.
I hear 30 year old capacitors in the old one and new ones in the new one. I'd like to see a refresh on the vintage pedal and then redo these comparisons.
Pot's tolerance -> not the same value for the same position. Drastic change for the Tone pot. In reality there's not much difference between Japan and Taiwan made. Early Taiwan have always get my preference. Tone pot is acting less on the first half.
It’s close! I want to give all credits due to the vintage DS-1 but suffice to say it’d be unfair. I believe it sounds of preference as the tone seems clearer and an ever so slight degree more brilliant though barely noticeable at all if you are not in the know. The new DS-1 sounded a bit more muddy but in a digital non analog way. The format for the notes seem to ever so slightly bleed into each other a hair more sounding a fraction less of tonal quality. Still though barely noticeable. If it were a shootout and vintage wasn’t your thing for the price I’d say go with the Taiwanese DS-1. Who would know. There is too much false information out there that is deceiving for potential consumers of vintage mark pedals regarding specific parts that purportedly make a better more authentic sounding pedal. This is hogwash. Pure and simple. Hogwash. If you’re a collecter of vintage pedals however, I’m afraid you will be looking at spending more if this matters to you. Beyond this, a lot of the Taiwanese Boss pedals are just as good of quality and sound.
people need to realize just because they don't hear a difference does not mean there is no difference . some poeple have better ears then others the vintage one has more clarity and top end the newer one is fuller sounding and has more bass and sounds a bit muffled compared to the vintage one . most of the newer ones I have heard sounded like a swarm of bees this one actually sounded pretty decent . I like the vintage one slightly more because it was clearer .
I liked the new one until he cranked the distortion then the old one came out ahead. The new one sounds warmer at lower distortion levels but with distortion cranked it sounds less articulate.
In the 80's: "This cheap ass japanese pedal sucks..." Now: "The Taiwan version is garbage, nothing like the amazing smooth vintage tone you get from the MIJ. That's why I just picked one up, beat to shit, for $250.... WITH THE BOX BRO!" Amazing what people who never lived through a time period will claim about the things made in that era. Also amazing what the "I sold a pedal 30 years ago because I hated it but now I tell everyone it had the greatest tone ever and could never be reproduced" crowd will claim in retrospect out of sheer nostalgia. Pro tip: never sell a pedal. Even if it sucks. Fifteen years from now some dumb kid will pay double it's value thinking there's magic inside.
Neil Kraft the vintage ds1 can be had for next to nothing if you look around it's not like a vintage paf or an original mullard power tube . vintage pedals can be had like the ds1 for some pretty sweet prices .
Bottom line- Regardless of the pedal, if you got hold of one when the prices were appropriate for a aging electronics device but now it is quadruple its cost, your brain tells your ears it was always "special." Now if you recently paid out the nose for "enter old pedal here" your brain will protect your ego and tells your ears it was worth the money and avoid the dreaded buyers remorse.
Great demo! It's remarkable how similar these two are, that's pretty amazing consistency from BOSS. To my ears, the newer DS-1 seemed to have a bit more low end which worked nicely with the single coil pups but the silver screw '79 had a nice open sound as the distortion was cranked up. The DS1 one is definetely underrated.
The older DS-1 to me sounds tighter and flatter, therefore smoother and more pleasant.
The newer DS-1 to me sounds fuller, more aggressive on the mids, which could be good,
but also more spikey and resonant, therefore wilder and less pleasant.
I also like, that the older DS starts with less gain, which gives more options of distortion to choose from.
It would have been quite interesting to me (too), how the same comparison would have sounded with the pedals "Tone" rolled down, to hear, how differently the sound is rounded in comparison of the two.
For that difference in price and availability, there's hardly any difference that can't be worked around by just EQ-ing a little bit darker or just recording it a little off-axis.
+Fer Abra EXACTLY!!! its not worth the money for what litterally one inch to the side of the speaker cone will do anyways....
The funny thing is that 60’s / 70’s musicans and manufacturers were by far not such a tone nerds as we are today. They produced the pedals from various components... suppliers. No batch ... even not two pedals sounded 100% the same! The difference you hear (if you hear any) is mostly tolerance in pots! The pedals sound 95% the same. Good job Boss!
A tribute to Boss quality! After 40+ years the ‘79 DS-1 still sounds as good as a brand new one!
I think the new one sounds better
Really nice demo, thank you!
The best one to my mind as you plaeyd same notes for both pedals in comparison to reviews where people just play minutes something different for each pedal.
They do sound different but not by a massive amount. Not enough for me to buy a second vintage one.
Did you run the vintage Boss on 12V or with 9V?
I own an old one from 1983 with the original Toshiba chip, same chip as this vintage model in the vid. I'm going to sell mine and get the new one after watching this comparison, I honestly cant tell the difference. Thanks for a great vid!
That would be a huge mistake my friend. 1st ry a battery that's around 7 volts.
I too use a JMP 2203 and 2204 with this just before the input, and through the high input with the preamp only at 4 though. Then the Distortion I leave on all the time shutting it off only when the Music Stops
Pretty cool. What are the guitar pickups? Wich of them did you use?
Cool demo. What year is the modern one? My impressions: vintage DS-1 has less gain in lower gain settings, a weaker midrange, has a kind of crispy shimmering hard to define quality on the top frequencies (this I interpret as vintage mojo), and it really came to life with the gain maxed out; modern DS-1 is more consistent across the gain spectrum, seems to have a litte more bass and midrange, sounds a little more messy on higher gain. Both sound very close, it's actually pretty impressive.
Yeah !
.... I like the orange one !
😎🍷🎸
What power supply was used to power the each pedal? Was power 9 volts or 12 volts?
EVERYONE. The older one sounds thinner because the signal going into it is brighter due to the output buffer on the new one. If you swapped the pedals around in the chain then the new one would sound thinner. I'm sure if you tested both of them with an AB box set-up they would sound basically identical.
I don't agree first off the original had the Bucket Brigade chip, and when properly abused with a battery around 7 volts it's heaven to my ears hence Robert Keeley mod
without any visual bias or anything, just having the video played in the background, i can't hear any difference from the two pedals, which is just crazy to me considering they've released this effects box in '78. great job!
Hello, i do not know what chip is in the new one, i no longer have the pedal :(
that's because it sucked compared to the old one. Why these people can't hear that.....i can't tell you.
Fantastic demo! Thanks. They sound quite similar to my ear I guess the diference is that the vintage one is easier to modificate and repair due to the electronic components. I own a new one and I was about to buy a vintage so watching this video helped me save a lot of money. 😄
I can notice that the vintage sound is a little bit weak, with less bass. Electrolic capacitors tend to dry by the time and the sound become weak until it fail. Vintage electronics gear is not a good deal due to electrolic capacitors life time.
this is the way to do a comparison, nicely done!
I would use both for different applications, but I would lean towards to old DS-1 in a band setting because it seems to be more open and articulate and I’m guessing you’d cut through a mix and be heard more. I think this would be more apparent if you dimed the level on both and put them through the same gain settings. They both rock but I like to be heard when I step on my dirt boxes. That being said I also use and love the DS-1x, I initially scoffed at it at my local shop but tried it on a whim and it blew me away, the Pete Thorn video was the final nail in the coffin, if you can pick that pedal up used and cheap - do it!
Id pick the new one. Sounds warmer
and it's got more meat on it😃
Same I love a meaty distortion my favourite distortion I've ever heard is the right side of the Ibanez Jemini which is basically a meatier DS-1
the opposite...you are hearing less natural tone (mids and muffled tone ) on the new one.
The modern pedal has a fuller midrange and bass, the old seems a bit weaker but it has a nice shimmery top end, all depends on what you want from the DS-1, I used a friends on my amp on the drive channel with a light bit of gain and the pedal at full, makes some really nice splattery sounds.
To me, it seems like they would sound the same with a slight tweak of the tone knob.
Nope
@@calebkendrick5286 So... What other difference between them are you hearing? I await your answer with great anticipation.
@@brainstewX do you really expect to understand via a pc what another person's ears hear? The difference by the way is day and night. I play the silver screw, however this video is not showing what it can really do. Basically you all don't know. So simple :)
@@BlueTitan7 But what's the significant difference though?
Ur right but they would be different Even if they were the exact same pedal
Try putting them through bypass loopers so that the buffer of the first pedal isn't effecting the sound of the second pedal.
Wow. The new one has a much warmer tone. Glad I didn’t pull the trigger on the ridiculous price of a vintage one.
Here are some zero pretense objective thoughts: for all practical purposes, they sound 99.999% the same on their own, so they would sound EXACTLY the same on an album or in a live setting. Classic, consistent pedal. Great vid!
I hear a difference if money and bragging rights was involved, but otherwise I hear no difference
+gmlasam Believe it or not, things actually do change. Whether you hear it or not, there is a real difference, due to the fact that boss has changed the opamp chip at least twice since the DS-1 was originally introduced. It's not uncommon for components to get swapped and substituted over time for various reasons (usually cost-cutting), especially when something has been in production for as long as the DS-1 has been. The earlier DS-1s have less of a sterile and buzzy texture to the distortion, making them more usable at higher tone and gain settings. with the new ones, you usually have to turn the tone a lot in order to mask the "bees in a jam jar" character of the distortion, or turn the gain way down so that there's less of that buzzy sound to begin with.
I can't hear the difference too dramatically in this video either, through my headphones or my laptop speakers, but there's also a difference between watching a video demo on youtube and actually plugging your guitar into one of these pedals and playing it...
Incorrect
gmlasam how can people not hear a difference one has way more bass then the other . one is clearly brighter then the other .
You're one of the few more sane guys who reviews gear worth watching
Question, did you make sure neither were modded?
Vintage is more smooth
Have you tried a Ds-1 through many different amps, setups and guitars or just your rig? I must have a rare ds-1.
Are they good for synthesuzers?
new one is warmer
For me is clearly new one is warmer!
New one sounds fuller.
I prefer new DS-1 in this comparison.
Vintage one more treble voiced. I like both.
Not too many differences but I think the old one sounds more tough :)
Thanks for comparision, I would also like to see comparision with the Japanese ones
I just scored a 1980 in a box on ebay!! Bought the 40th one this week and I'm trading my DF-2 in a box for another MIJ DS1 lololz... 3 in one week!
hmm i think i kinda like the new one just a bit better...
I got a 1990 and a new one, they're 100% identical except the new one is all SMT inside, other than that the sound is identical. And I still think it's the best distortion pedal out there.
Answered a lot of questions of me, thank you so much for the video.
hi dear friend plz write your new ds1 version (year of product) ? is ur new ds1 with radio japan njm chip built or any other? tnx a lot
The vintage DS-1 sounds more open to me.
Agree
I thought the same.
Thanks for test but .... Boss pedals are not true bypass, so tone is affected when pedal is off. Try to change order of pedals and result will be different. It is necessary to use bypass loope, A/B etc...
Most the difference can be explained by parts tolerances. No two of the same pedal will sound exactly the same because many of the parts have between a 1-20% potential for difference in either direction so one part could be 40% off the same part in another pedal.
the new ds1 sounds warmer right?
For the difference in dollars to buy vintage vs modern, modern wins out here. In the mix there is no discernible differences to be heard. Thanks for comparison!
A bit more warmth to the Vintage DS-1 & a touch of compression. You really notice the difference at stage volume.
Totally agree. Not to mention all the hate for the newer DS-1, which I just can't understand. It's got a really good tone especially considering you can get one for around $25.
They used to be $25? Now I see them for at least $50
Yeah, if people don't like the sound that's one thing, but some people swear up and down that "oh, New Boss sucks, old stuff is great." While in the case of something like the Boss CE-2 it is true, the old and new DS-1 (i've played one example of the vintage and a few newer ones) are basically the same. Difference is unnoticeable in most situations.
For me... The boss ds1 is pretty darn good when you roll off the freaking tone. Everything past 10 is just too shrill sounding.
Kevin van den Berg Which is ironicaly why I like it, take one of these max it out and run it through a amp set for distortion and you have an utterly psychotic sound
that's a rule for every boss distortion/overdrive, their tone knob is way fucked up
I hear you! It's a nice sounding pedal what's everyone's deal? It handles a higher boost better than the 2 Stage MOSFET by Fulltone.
Very close and for $89 aud for the new one or $300+ for the 80s one hard to justify. I’m hearing a grittier raw bright tone from the vintage & a more polished compressed tone from the modern version ✌️🎸🤘🏿
A good job man! You done all very realizeable!
I have two DS-1s - a late 1980s MIJ, with the original circuit, and a 2017 40th anniversary model... I've owned and played through many different DS-1s in the past, though. I love the DS-1, for its gnarly, aggressive distortion and sharp, cutting voicing. You know, the thing that makes everyone gripe about how it sounds "thin"? That, in combination with the abrasive texture of the distortion, helps to give you a defined sound in a very dense mix with other instruments... But yeah, amateurs gonna amateur.
...I have to say, the original MIJ version is quite a lot better, unless you're just trying to copy Kurt Cobain, in which case - don't worry about it - just get whatever DS-1 you can find, crank the gain and have fun :)
The most audible difference really is that there's this kind of un-musical scratchy, grainy static overtone in the more recent ones that isn't present in the original. You get the same aggressive distortion, but it sounds a bit more organic, without that dissonant overtone. Not having the nasty static overtone makes the pedal actually usable, in a 'lo-fi fuzz' kind of way, when you turn the tone knob up above half way. I actually have every intention of buying a bunch of used DS-1s and trying different mods to try to eliminate that static sound as best I can without changing anything else, to see how close I can get a new one to sounding like an original one.
Other differences: original one seems to have a bit more headroom at the input stage, for whatever reason, meaning there's a more open dynamic range and response. This sort of stuff isn't a placebo effect, but a lot of it can only really be recognised when you spend some time with both versions of the pedal, playing through them yourself - you're not gonna pick up on these things if you're just gonna listen to someone else. Especially on youtube, through tiny phone/earbud/laptop speakers.
Interesting. I have a 2010 DS1. Does it fit in your description of the modern ones?
ds1 japan vs ds1 taiwan?
I really want to say I hear a difference but I don't really. Maybe I'll have to break out the hi-fi headphones for this but going by my speakers alone it's barely noticeable.
nice foot work!
Is it just me or do they sound exactly alike?
It's just you and about 50 other people on this comment board. It's night and day to me though.
Both are great pedals as are most, i have many (including an un touched original 1986 boss ds-1 distortion pedal, (the sound beautiful tone) but i also have a custom made board (fully loaded), hand woven srv pick ups, collected magnets, best pots etc etc the works that rocket fire guitars at the time (18 years ago) put in $10,000 guitars. thanks Nick.I hear amazing sound including a 2010 (black label) ts808 reissue. including a ocd v1.4. A pedal is the sound you put in it and your guitar (and you) then your amp then turn on your pedal. Thank you to all those workers who made these amazing pedals (by hand). Thanks for video, my input they both sound great, enjoy.
Good demo. They sound the same, like the SD-1 (Japan/Taiwan).
no different??
I think the old DS1 sounds better than the newer one at a lower gain stage, but at full distortion the differences don't seem to matter too much.
U just need to place the ds-1 before the amp using send/return to sound much better...
Did you check that the inside electronic circuit of the old Boss hasn't been changed to a new circuit. they sound total the same. No difference at all.
Vintage Boss pedals require 12V AC adapter or battery to operate!! Look at the dimed LED, this happens when you plug only 9V adapter into it and it's wrong. Pedal is not running properly.
when you daisy chain the power supply cables, having a vintage boss pedal connected to a standard 9V pedal that's running from the same power supply bypasses the voltage reduction circuit inside the vintage boss pedal, allowing it to function correctly with a 9V power supply. It's when you have isolated power supply outputs, or are running the pedal on its own, with no other FX, that you start needing a 12V supply.
I have both ds1 japan black label (circa 80') and taiwan (circa 2000) and thry both great sounding depends on what ur playing. IMO the vint ds1 got more low end and the usefull pot from min to max.
There's no difference. I'm being trolled, right? Like, he just went out and bought two new DS-1's and set them side by side
Holly no not being trolled they original silver screw used a different chipset. There ya slight difference between the two.
Definitely, there's a reason why after Cobain's first DS-1 was stolen or went missing, he procured a new one, which was version 2 and didn't like it and wouldn't use it to record In Utero. Turns out a critical IC, that was in the original, was updated in the newer version and he noticed the difference and he refused to use it. He then found out that the DS-2 had that original IC installed in it and that's why he changed models between Bleach/Nevermind, where he used an original DS-1, & In Utero where he used a DS-2. The DS-2 has a Turbo switch and when turned to setting 2 sounds like the original DS-1, but when turned to setting 1 it sounds like the new DS-1. Also why there's a $50AUD difference between the 2 pedals. The DS-2 is basically the both versions of the DS-1 with a switch to change between the slight differences in distortion. I own this pedal and only use it with the Turbo switch set to 2. The original sound is crisper.
@@andym2612 DS2 has a remote foot switch jack so you can switch to turbo mode, and Turbo Mode II which is actually a mid booster with high gain distortion. I used to use it as a lead guitar boost for solos. Cuts through the mix and all in one pedal.
@@freedomination2 Yeah I got a footswitch too. Quite a difference in the sounds. I use mine in mode 1 for verses and switch to mode 2 for choruses and solos. It's like having 2 pedals in one, awesome value pedal for AUD $135.
Vintage vs. modern....in the end I think the secret to these pedals sounding great has more to do with what amps they are plugged into more than anything else
Pfft. Same same. On a similar note: I had an original OD-1 & a new SD-1. A/Bi-ng these had me sell the OD-1. Despite the added tone control. Aged components and different opamps (I think?) they were identical so I kept the new one with tone control. Just sayin'
the old one should not have constant light in the led when turned on, it only light up when the swich is down.
sounds awesome
it is impossible to compare it so easily because the capacity of electrolytic capacitors after so many years in the Japanese copy is different than 30 years ago :-)
i think this ds1 gets hot when blended with another tones, like a good amp's.
alone itself it got that remarkable bee sound but it is up to the player to let it or solve it.
on this vid it sounded just OK.
last night i tried mine on a good amp and it was exactly like my fav main distorted sound.
I hear 30 year old capacitors in the old one and new ones in the new one. I'd like to see a refresh on the vintage pedal and then redo these comparisons.
Pot's tolerance -> not the same value for the same position. Drastic change for the Tone pot. In reality there's not much difference between Japan and Taiwan made. Early Taiwan have always get my preference. Tone pot is acting less on the first half.
It’s close! I want to give all credits due to the vintage DS-1 but suffice to say it’d be unfair. I believe it sounds of preference as the tone seems clearer and an ever so slight degree more brilliant though barely noticeable at all if you are not in the know. The new DS-1 sounded a bit more muddy but in a digital non analog way. The format for the notes seem to ever so slightly bleed into each other a hair more sounding a fraction less of tonal quality. Still though barely noticeable. If it were a shootout and vintage wasn’t your thing for the price I’d say go with the Taiwanese DS-1. Who would know. There is too much false information out there that is deceiving for potential consumers of vintage mark pedals regarding specific parts that purportedly make a better more authentic sounding pedal. This is hogwash. Pure and simple. Hogwash. If you’re a collecter of vintage pedals however, I’m afraid you will be looking at spending more if this matters to you. Beyond this, a lot of the Taiwanese Boss pedals are just as good of quality and sound.
people need to realize just because they don't hear a difference does not mean there is no difference . some poeple have better ears then others the vintage one has more clarity and top end the newer one is fuller sounding and has more bass and sounds a bit muffled compared to the vintage one . most of the newer ones I have heard sounded like a swarm of bees this one actually sounded pretty decent . I like the vintage one slightly more because it was clearer .
Old boss more open and articulate.
I liked the new one until he cranked the distortion then the old one came out ahead. The new one sounds warmer at lower distortion levels but with distortion cranked it sounds less articulate.
In the 80's: "This cheap ass japanese pedal sucks..."
Now: "The Taiwan version is garbage, nothing like the amazing smooth vintage tone you get from the MIJ. That's why I just picked one up, beat to shit, for $250.... WITH THE BOX BRO!"
Amazing what people who never lived through a time period will claim about the things made in that era. Also amazing what the "I sold a pedal 30 years ago because I hated it but now I tell everyone it had the greatest tone ever and could never be reproduced" crowd will claim in retrospect out of sheer nostalgia. Pro tip: never sell a pedal. Even if it sucks. Fifteen years from now some dumb kid will pay double it's value thinking there's magic inside.
This is a very underrated comments!
Hahaha
I have a 1979 and a 2006 DS-1. The 2006 has a tiny little more bass.
For me is clearly new one is warmer at çow level but when cranked both are the same
Dude whats the point when ur n stage nobody will notice any difference
I thought how is this guy standing while stepping with both foots on both pedals ... Then I realized he is sitting :)
get a mxr prime distortion if a meatier ds1 is what your after there great.
The old one just sounds a bit thinner.
old one is slightly brighter and more transparent
I can barely tell the difference but I think the new one has more bite, and that's probably just age.
I'll always go new with effects
I actually don't like the old one. The old one has a tiny bit more high end, which I don't like. The new one sounds a bit softer, ironically...
Second pedal would see 2 buffers...
mt2 or ds1 guys
I prefer the new one.
Sounded different to me.
Not enough difference to buy a vintage one for more$$$$
Exactly
Actually is the same shit with the Vintage and New Ibanez Tube Screamer
Neil Kraft the vintage ds1 can be had for next to nothing if you look around it's not like a vintage paf or an original mullard power tube . vintage pedals can be had like the ds1 for some pretty sweet prices .
Bottom line- Regardless of the pedal, if you got hold of one when the prices were appropriate for a aging electronics device but now it is quadruple its cost, your brain tells your ears it was always "special." Now if you recently paid out the nose for "enter old pedal here" your brain will protect your ego and tells your ears it was worth the money and avoid the dreaded buyers remorse.
I don't think that newer DS-1 in this video is representative of most DS-1's out there - everyone I played sounded like a jar of bees.
Been giggling over that comment for a while, thanks
Yes, that happens when you turn the distortion knob all the way up, which he doesn't really do
Did you eventually try turning your Tone knob down to about 10 o'clock position to stop the bees?
Should have been called the BeeS1. Lol
Ds-1 only sounds good through a tube amp, That's what it was designed for. Sound shrill and tinny through solid state.
Day and night
Difference is negligible.
haha, if one of the knobs is just slightly different of one of the pedals the sound changes a little....nothing more ;)
If you can’t hear the difference in the 1979 older Boss Ds-1 you’re just plain deaf. Much better than the newer one.
@Far Stox lol ears are different
The new one has more mid boost and is fuller overall.