Hell Pie (Zero Punctuation)
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- This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviews Hell Pie.
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Hell pie, Cult of the lamb, maybe next week you should do Diablo: Immortal to complete this month of demonic themed games with surprising amounts of shit in them ^^
Fun fact the game is banned in New Zealand
And banned in Australia
So in other words, Hell Pie is a game that only Americans will understand because we grew up with this certain "crass" humor and loved it.
@@briangoubeaux5360 we have tv shows like south park play on Australian tv it's just video games that are heavily censored
"Conker's Bad Fur Day without the wit" is the single most terrifying description of a video game I've ever heard.
Then again, it was developed in Germany, so can't really be too surprised, they don't really have humor.
@@flyboy6392 You must not have been in Germany since WWII.
@@ShroudedWolf51 I went to Munich a couple years ago, and they're still assholes.
@@ShroudedWolf51 I'm not 100% sure how to interpret this.
Really? Terrifying?
I like the Zero Punctuation trend of:
"Ooh never heard this game before I wonder why more people aren't talking about it"
That is quickly followed by:
"Oh. That's why"
Yep
XD
It's like the 99% of classic Newgrounds cartoons that nobody actually remembers
That's weirdly an apt comparison. Considering the Newgrounds cartoons/games people do remember are the ones that HAD more to them than "gore/poo/sex = funny"
I only vaguely remember the ones about that half-goat satyr guy who could... run really fast? Yeah, I think that was his gimmick.
@@bugjams Oh right, Bitey.
I remember... I remember them all...
Ol Godzilla was hopin around
Tokyo City like a big play ground
This Game would probably been really popular as a New Grounds Flash Game in 2011
*2008
Especially with a title like “Hell Pie” lmao
Edmund McMillan's poop jokes at least tended to go along some semi-clever ideas.
I thought new grounds died out long before 2011
See, Yahtz asked for wit, not scathing blunt truth.
We're breaking new ground in weird frames in Zero Punctuations. How nice of Hell Pie to give Yahtzee an excuse.
And next week is cult of the Lamb and he'll comment about having to do two hell styled indie games with a cutesy art style that undercuts the grim notion a despair filled hellscape often brings, centered around an adorable little creature doing the bidding of a Malevolent deity in a row and that it might be the new indie trend.
Before watching: “huh, wonder what that comment means.”
3 minutes in: “oic”
That reference to a toddler, a cat, and some garlic powder was just a little too oddly specific to be invented, so if it turns out it was, Bravo. You are indeed quite the wordsmith.
My first thought too.
Well, Yahtzee * does* have a child of his own now, and presumably a cat and one of those big-ass shakers of garlic powder...
I mean, he's the man who came up with the phrase "That proverbial ship has sailed, circled the globe, and returned to port laden with exotic spice." so I wouldn't put inventing it past him.
there was a lot of that in this episode
I hope it was cause garlic is toxic to cats
I am 45 years old and I still know Conker's "The Great Mighty Poo" opera song by heart. I firmly believe it's the greatest boss fight of all time.
You could say that it was the shit.
The Phantom of the Bwahpera made me a little nostalgic for The Great and Mighty Poo, even if the former's song had worse writing. Both were nonetheless memorable 🙏
@@khamjaninja. Yahtzee's singing voice is genuinely impressive, check out his old "Just Cause II"-Let's Drown Out for his rendition of "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" if you haven't
@@chobbs9223 or piss.
I AM THE GREAT MIGHTY POO
Yahtzee hit the nail on the head with this one. If you can't explain WHY something is funny besides "it's gross" or "it's impolite" then you've failed to tell a joke.
Disagree. If it's funny, it is funny. I.e. Farts
I don't need a thesis for every laugh I have.
@@DMBlade4
Nah, South Park hasn't been profanity just for the sake of it for quite some time now.
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you don't/didn't watch the show much if ever.
@@DMBlade4
Yeah they've definitely changed and "matured" as far as how they handle stuff they're still very sophomoric but they're actually taking on pretty serious sh!t these days. I'll admit it's not everybody's cup of tea it never was but I really have to say what they're doing these days is much more significant. Again if it's not your kind of humor I'm not going to try to convert you but I think for what it is they've come a long way and evolved for what it was in the beginning to something significantly (even infinitely) better.
@@DMBlade4
Thanks, do the same.
@@davidribeiro Funny farts are usually a matter of context, but I agree that sometimes we can't explain why we've laughed; sometimes it's just the sheer absurdity or us being in a really silly mood. Usually there's some logic to it but sometimes you just had to be there, in that moment, and later on you have no idea why you were even laughing. But I think when you're purposefully creating something that's intended to be funny, you either have to be able to tap into that mindset somehow or juxtapose a couple of odd things or create a set-up with a pay-off and the latter two are easier to do on purpose. :)
This kind of game really exhibits why context is everything: in something like the Binding of Isaac, the crassness is a means to an end -- we're in a child's demented imagination, of course it would be unfiltered and crude. The poo jokes are meant to reinforce Isaac's experience as a neglected and rarely-clean child. Hell Pie seems like it's just crassness for the sake of crassness, which doesn't really do anything but make me glad I didn't play it.
Personally though, even in Isaac, the crass nature and visuals was still enough to turn me off. Its just unpleasant to look at and so I stopped playing far before I would have otherwise. No matter how good a game the choice to make it ugly will always reduce its potential reach. Its not a choice that should be made lightly.
Was there ever a game set in Hell that was good? I vaugely remember Manual Samuel spending some time in Hell, but I said 'vaugely' which means the game failed to make an impression beyond that, so it probably wasn't very good
EDIT: Got my answers, you can stop responding to this comment. And thank you
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Several different DOOMs are set in Hell, at least partly. Most of those are good.
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Doom and Dantes Inferno
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Hades? Maybe that doesn't count.
"It's cute when he does it."
A literal decade of videos and Yahtz can still think of funny unique end card titles for himself.
Kudos on Yahtzee for articulating exactly what it is that makes the Great Mighty Poo battle work as a joke. One of the key elements of humor is juxtaposition. A pie by itself isn't funny until you throw it in someone's face.
"Free comedy tip, slick: A pie gag only works when the sap's got dignity - like that guy!"
Me: eating tomato sandwich just as Yahtz says "your menstrual flow is especially gelatinous this month". Geezus Yahtzee have some empathy.
I was in the middle of eating a red bean Taiyaki. 😭 I feel your pain.
Pastrami sandwich. I paused the video until after lunch
I thankfully wasn't eating when I watched this, but I don't think I can have jello for at least a week now
fun fact: if one's flow is too much like that then the person is passing clotted blood instead of a regular menses and should go see a Dr, especially if it wasn't like that before
I've made it a rule to never watch ZP and eat at the same time lool
The wasp behind the couch really got me. I have no idea why. Just the idea of a sneaky wasp waiting to get you... it's just killing me.
😂
Strangely enough, this reminded me of another obscene game nobody talks about: Whiplash where you play as two lab animals chained together; a weasel (I think) and a rabbit who the weasel uses to attack enemies by swinging him, setting him on fire and even inflating him with a helium tank.
It think I remember this. This was a flash game right?
@@WOLF36554 it was a console game; that much I remember. Xbox perhaps
@@robbieking4070 Yeah, original Xbox, I had it. I LOVED this game as a kid! Did not think I'd be remembering Whiplash today...
I remember it! I had it on the PS2, my mom bought it because it was actually endorsed/sponsored by, of all things, PETA. Aside from the hilarious violence you subjected the rabbit to, it wasn't actually that obscene. It was meant to be a way of bringing awareness to animal testing, hence why basically every animal you find is in some way horribly mutated or tortured, then you free them and they kick the absolute hell out of the scientists. Honestly probably the best media PETA ever sponsored. Man now I want to replay Whiplash...
"Conker's Bad Fur Day without the wit."
There's failing to clear the bar and then there's intentionally tunneling under it till you hit a sewer line. >.>;
I also had a classmate in school who grew up to be a complete sociopath. And I don't mean "grew up to be a bad person" I know plenty of those. No. This kid legit became a monster. There were warning signs when we were kids, like torturing small animals and calling it "experimenting". His mom came to school to yell at us after we told him it was fucked up. I eventually moved away for a bit, and when I moved back and got back in to contact with my old friends I found out that he had escalated. For one he had thrown a glass bottle at a bird and managed to get a hit, then he stomped on it until it stopped moving. And once he walked in to a church in the middle of a wedding ceremony and started screaming racial slurs and nazi stuff until he was thrown out. He had bragged about that and found it hilarious. Eventually he had been thrown out of school for threatening teachers and shortly after that he had beaten his mom so bad she needed an ambulance and he ended up in (my country's equivalent to) juvie.
Sometimes red flags really should be paid attention to.
Reminds me of the observation about school shooters that went roughly "Why is it always reported as 'he was loner and got bullied' rather than 'his antisocial tendencies caused him to be shunned by his peers but nobody saw this as a warning sign'?"
Are you implying that playing this game would be a similar indicator/red flag to the things you’ve mentioned?
"Juvie" is the wrong place for someone completely nuts, imho. He should have been comitted into an insane asylum, so he can be treated properly. Putting obvious lunatics into normie prison is something that happens here in Germany too, sadly. Something about not having enough funds for proper psychological treatment. Instead sometimes, especially in smaller towns, insane people are just drawn into this dumb circle of convicted->imprisoned->released->convicted for minor offences since they're, well, insane. The end result are shit+piss filled prison cells, as prisons aren't really equipped to deal with genuine mental illness.
@@ggr. They're sharing a tangential anecdote, but if that's the implication, then Yatzhee implied it first.
@@SaraWolffs There was a strong movement to end bullying in schools in previous decades, so I think when people heard about those events, they saw it as a consequence of bullying and didn't look any deeper
When Yahtzee has to put so many unique poo images in a video like this does he have to google them every time or does he have a useful catalogue built up from his 15 years reviewing Ubisoft games?
I feel like a more clever title for the jungle level would be "Johnny Jungle"
The protagonist is the demon of bad taste, so thematically everything fits perfectly.
I, for one, am looking forward to the raunchy Hell-Pie DLC affectionately titled "Welcome to the Cumgle" set to release in Q2 of 2023.
The way he described the grapple mechanic sounds like how you can swing off the air with wirebugs in Monster Hunter Rise and I could totally see someone making a platforming game around that
At 4:01 the german "Ziehen sie nicht am spülgriff" translates literally to "Do not pull the sink handle" or more idiomatically "Do not flush".
It is suprising that there is a game with humor so infantile that even Yahtzee has to roll his eyes. I'm impressed.
At the rate this game drought is going, Yahtzee's going to review something completely random that has nothing to do with games, like Cherry Pop-Tarts, or Interstate 76.
I welcome the review of I-76.
"The Interstate series really fell off after 72 in my opinion. The original, not the remaster."
@@jlev1028 Eeehhh… KDB is a primarily multiplayer game with no actual storyline. There’s probably not enough substance for a review there unless it’s an absolutely awful game. As for the DAH2 remake, I think he would cover it, if a little down the line. (personally I’m waiting for him to cover shredders revenge)
Maybe he'll finally get around to reviewing Fantasy World Dizzy
Well, he did say he was this close to start reviewing old office software suits or something like that, didn't he?
Developed in Germany you say? Are you sure this is meant to be a comedy game and not an erotic dating sim?
Oh, you and your german scheisse porn
Weirdly I've actually heard it was made in Russia actually actually actually actually
I remember watching someone play this and thinking "Huh, this looks pretty good."
And then the dialogue went on for a bit and I realized it was one of the most painfully unfunny games I'd ever seen
This minds me of my reaction to watching a video showing the story bits of "Psychonauts 2".
This comment works for the new Saint's Row too.
The most savage thing in this review was the swing at the British government.
And also at Scunthorp
Or lack thereof.
Maybe they could have added a Compton's Cookoff style finale where you actually have to bake the pie yourself, and all the disgusting items you've picked up along the way can be tossed in to improve your standing with the feces-and-semen craving Satan, and your final reward is your new rank in Hell's hierarchy. Just food for thought. (*retch*)
I am only halfway through this one and I think it may be one of your best videos this year Yahtz. Great stuff.
This was one of the best 3d platformers I've played in recent years.
True, and it's a shame people are only talking about the art style and writing. Refusing to actually acknowledge what matters most: the freaking gameplay. Which is fantastic.
Yeah seriously people rip this game apart for its juvenile humor when everything else works great, yet seemingly ignore it
@@eknim If you're just playing for violence then why would would play it over Doom or Samurai Showdown??? There's reason why the Great Mighty Poo is a meme, because the wit was gave Conker charm and why people want a sequel.
@@orangeslash1667
Who said anything about playing it for the violence? People also really want new Pikmin games but Nintendo doesn't prioritise them because that series has never sold as well as Mario and Pokèmon, just because people want them doesn't mean MOST people want them.
Person talking to Yahtzee: "That's like saying 'like _Thomas the Tank Engine_ without the sizzling erotic subtext.'"
Me: "What are you talking about?"
* Watches an episode of _Thomas_ *
Me: "Oh."😐
wait there is such stuff in that old tv show?
@@gogongagis3395 no train had ever touched thomas like this before. His wheels felt weak
- actual line from the books
Yahtzee's writing is always amazing, but this video was phenomenal.
i see potential in the pie concept. baking a pie for someone is something very sweet and kind to do, almost saccharine. meanwhile hell is… repulsive. there could’ve been a play with contrasts, maybe… the whole thing framed as “oh i better make a delicious treat for my best buddy!!!!” and while all the ingredients are absolutely disgusting, theyre used in the baking of the pie with such loving care, or something. and the ending is an sickly sweet “i made ya a pie, buddy!” “gasp! my birthday! you remembered!!!” while all the grossness is incredibly visible. combine that with more solid jokes in general and youve got a neat play in contrasts
That would require some level of Wit.
@@aquamarinerose5405 thats the idea! its core concept is salvageable but unfortunately the effort just isnt there in the actual game
I thought of it as an Addams Family type thing, where the joke is the demons like things that people normally find weird or gross. The pie is for Satan, who of course is the reason "bad" things exist right, if you were just collecting apples for the pie you'd think "well this is underwhelming" so somehow this makes more sense.
He forgot to talk about how the game is so crass, there's actually a mode where it censors things. They actually built that in.
And with that very last comment in the outro, suddenly everything makes sense.
Hell Pie: Heres a turd that is also a nazi
Me: ....... Okay im waiting for the punchline
Hell Pie: There is no punchline
So we are still in the no releases drought that hits us a like a runaway train each summer.. Maybe time for a installment of the cover art series you did a few years back.
I kinda miss Judging By The Cover and I agree that the summer games drought is as good a time as any to bring it back
Wait I actually have seen this game. The main takeaway from what I saw was that the gluttony boss didn't look fun, but it had a swing mechanic that did look fun.
0:32 It’s horrifying knowing exactly what Yhatzee was referring to. Yes it’s as bad as it sounds and you’ll never guess the name
What game was he talking (he asks with scared curiosity)
I am morbidly curious but also absolutely unsurprised it exists.
@@thegoblin2004 Looked it up because I enjoy pain apparently. Think of a two-word title for the concept Yahtz just described, literally the first most stupid two-word phrase that comes to mind. Initials "FH". You've got it, that's the title.
According to the reviews it's not even "good for what it is", just low-effort shovelware.
EDIT: I do not recommend looking it up yourself, by the way, unless you too enjoy pain. The screenshots are _very_ explicit.
@@AjaxGb Cheers
It's "Furry Hitler", isn't it?
I'm a simple man. I see a game protagonist who looks like King from _The Owl House,_ I click.
Same my buddy.
Maybe you were the target audience
I know, right? He looks cute as hell.
Genuinely inspired. Honestly, some of your best writing literally ever in my opinion.
I wonder if he'll do cult of the Lamb next week after this one
Hello, I have come from the future to tell you that you were right!
I for one, could not be happier that Yahtzee put this on his 5 Worst of 2022 list. I agree with his observations and sentiments 100 , bloody , percent! Seriously, whose stupid idea was this to take a perfectly good retro style platformer, and cover it in excreta and other nausea inducing substances! While I'm here, also what lobotomized troglodyte decided to advertise the game based on how putrid it is? This game tried to sell itself by bragging about it's worst aspect. Makes all the sense of using a helium filled party-balloon for a paper-weight!
Lol Thanks to the British panel show "mock the week" I know that Scunthorpe is an actual town 🤣
I remember seeing the development on Reddit
Happy for the creator that they got it published
1:25 genuinely made my heart drop
I got an ad for this game and thought it's exactly the kind of thing Yahtzee would give a bad review of.
As someone who has watched a lot of Spitting Image, the Douglas Hurd joke gave me a good laugh.
If anyone is wondering; the thing that matters most, the gameplay; is actually good. And really good too.
Good old "Hurraaaaarglab." Very octopus-like.
I didn't need that literal cliff face but what in the hell I have it now.
I keep expecting the baby-thing in the thumbnail to shout ‘not the mama!’ and proceed to hit someone with a pan.
That caught me off guard. Genuinely did not expect an ahegao face to pop up in a zp video, given yahtzee's usual aversion to anything anime.
Haven't played the game, but from what you described I'm pretty sure the Nazi poo is supposed to be saying "This is where you end up when you die if you were a Nazi".
Having played the demo myself I can tell you that it's not.
They're not located in hell, but instead they are in the "normal" world as just things that exist.
The game doesn't seem to be smart enough to have such commentary.
@@MrQwertysystem Well that's unfortunate.
@@DanteRatto It kinda really is... It's like Yahtzee says here, there's no wit in the game's comedy.
Hell Pie isn't a game, it's a litmus test for early identification of children who will grow up to be on law enforcement watchlists.
I hate to make the easy joke, but your comment is still true if you drop the word "watchlists"
well, never mind, justin not only beat me to it but called it easy, hurting my pride:P
@@sirjuggles beat me to it. Good man.
@@sirjuggles How? I don’t really see the connection in any way.
@@ggr. ACAB
That Joke about British leadership was reallyyyy well timed 😂
Considering that when Truss arrived at the Queen's funeral, an Aussie news channel on location didn't recognize her...I'd say it still works.
This feels like the kind o game designed for people who like modern Family Guy
Nice to see my home town getting the shout out it deserves!
Probably the best thing you can say about Hell Pie is that it's still better than Balan Wonderworld.
Oh boy, a new ZP. I'll pause my Cuban Missile Crisis documentary for a few moments.
Anyone else find it really disconcerting how Yahtzee uses very American terms despite obviously being British ("homeroom teacher", "middleschool", various others in other ZP episodes).
@@nxxynx5039 He lives in California these days.
@Max I'm British and I use Americanisms sometimes, just via pop-cultural osmosis. Not things from schools usually, though, maybe that's because he has offspring in the US school system.
0:32
Sometimes I wish I wasn't reminded that that exists. And sometimes and very glad I know it exists.
I don't know why everyone seems to miss that the quote "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" was it itself sarcasm
Conkers Bad Fur Day was hilarious.
Fight me.
How has this man never touched a Touhou game? They're known for being ballbustingly difficult (and there's a new one freshly released!)
He kinda sorta hates anime remember?
The cherub on the box is very reminiscent of the baby from the 90’s TV show ‘Dinosaurs’; I haven’t thought about that in a while…
SO GLAD this is getting more Love
This is basically Agony trying to be Conker's Bad Fur Day.
Are you really trying to argue that conker's bad fur day with the great mighty poo isn't some of the best stuff ever made?
Love to see Yahtzee review Mortuary's Assistance
It's got a bunch of the usual buzz, but the jumpscares do weave a narrative about our character
And he can rub himself off about how clever the demon-determining system is and how jolly-clever it would be to expand the mechanic from a funeral home to a road trip to fight Eldritch Horrors (see The Consuming Shadow)
Eldritch*.
@@HolyGoddessMotherAnne you know what's funny, my phone always recommends that spelling of Eldridge (
So... it's a thinly veiled fetish game that didn't bother to attempt to appeal past the audience it was intended for?
I'm still not over the main character looking almost exactly like King from The Owl House
vargskelethor would love this game
Maybe Jungle is a cleverer name than it first appears, and it’s pronounced Yung-le. The Carl Jung Jungle.
The game seems like “The Aristocrats” of video games.
3:11
Look, we're all going to deny *deeply* enjoying that moment, I understand. We have lives to live, bills to pay, spouses to look in the eye.
But I think we can all for a brief second feel united....
If you're looking for games to review, look at the criminally underrated Driven Out. It's a simple "git gud" game where you have High/Medium/Low Attack/Defense with Parry as well.
You start off as a farm girl just farming away until you notice something that fell from the sky You pick it up and all of a sudden everyone if trying to kill you. You obtain a sword, but you are just a farmer, so you're not that good at using it. You use the sword to defeat your foes and that's pretty much it. The ending is pretty wild, something you didn't see coming and the "real" ending (a.k.a. fighting all the enemies again on a harder difficulty) is just SO satisfying, at least to me.
I've been trying to get youtubers to play the game, but alas, nobody has done so yet. It's such a shame that this game wasn't ever paid attention to, because it's REALLY good.
It took me around 9-10 to beat it the first time around and now, it's around 2 hours. It's the paying attention to the to the move sets that makes it a little difficult. Sometimes, the enemy's attacks are hard to understand at first and that's what takes time, is focusing and learning the move set. After that, it becomes a lot easier.
I'm imagining Tom Ellis' Lucifer looking at this game and getting really fucking pissed off.
You know for all it’s notoriety, I am so glad that we never got another Conker’s Bad Fur Day game in either a sequel or spiritual successor.
If for no other reason, the current outcrop of writers that could get away with content like a shitty opera singer just do not exist anymore. The style of humor CBFD revels in is the kind of humor that you can only get away with once unless you have a writer that has a set of cast-iron balls and a comedic brain. And the only place that seems to exist right now is South Park.
I recommend Fashion Police Squad if “Boomer Shooters” ever get a revisit!
Between this review and Stephanie Sterling's Cult of the Lamb video, this has been a very fecal week.
this is the earliest I've been to any video
ZP's 5th Worst Game of 2022, as summed up by Yahtzee:
"Hell Pie is a game that actually plays pretty well, with nuanced platforming mechanics and interesting, varied environments; unfortunately, it's also, in a very literal sense, gross as shit, and thus, all that effort was tragically wasted. I mean, 2001: A Space Odyssey is considered one of history's greatest films, but that would not be the case if, every time you turned it on, Stanley Kubrick ran out and jizzed in your eye." 🤢
Some of this reminds me of Whiplash, with the protagonists chained together, and the crass sense of humour, and using a rabbit a grapping hook, a mace, and a helicopter blade.
First time i'm not sure i'm looking forward to post-ZP
It's the kind of game that I can enjoy someone else playing, ideally behind the pews during sunday service. But I wouldn't touch this game if I was out of bog roll and just needed to wipe my own arse.
what do you mean there's no through-line from nazis to poo? *brown-shirts anyone?*
The gameplay is great and the art though gross has a lot of work put in clearly. It’s not particularly funny but I’m having a lot of fun with it so far.
I love this guy 🤣🤣
Contrary to what a lot of incredibly dumb people believe, crassness is not inherently funny in its own right. That's why a comedian whose entire act is to walk onto the stage and scream swearwords at the audience with no context would only be considered funny in satirical parodies of stand-up comedians, and even then it's not the actual content of his act (i.e the swearwords) that's the funny part.
The TH-cam release is hilariously timed, since his comments about poo references not being the in thing no longer holds up with the release of the Cult of the Lamb. That’s all I see now
This is the second time I've heard of this game. The first time was when I saw it on TikTok a couple weeks ago and thought "That's a decent demo. When the game is finished in a few months/years it'll probably be good."
Then I found out it already released...
Yahtzee really has turned into a dad.
Considering how many fans of indie 3D platformer collectatons there are if one pulls the mechanics side of things fine and manages to still be really obscure regardless it's because there's something very wrong about it, and I guess we now know what's the problem with this one.
nah im still hyped on it. I just want a fun new 3D platformer to play cuz god knows we don't get enough good ones of those these days. I don't need wit and i don't care about the grossout. I wonder how many other critics who watched ren and stimpy as kid will say the same thing? Either way i don't care, and i don't meant to dissparge anyone, but gameplay means more than look and feel and substance, good is nice, endearing is okay, terrible can be fine if the game is really really good.
4:51 “around the time his sister showed up with burn scars and an eye patch” is this a We Need to Talk About Kevin reference?
2:14 "...in the sense that the current British government has leadership."
This is only getting funnier and more painful with time.
On the topic of gross and Hell did you know that agony got an updated version and a spinoff do you have any interest in receiving
Hell hath no fury like a pie scorned