Can Jeff Chan Make Wing Chun Work?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Finally the collaboration you guys have been looking for!
Today I show Jeff 3 Wing Chun techniques and we are going to see how Jeff will apply them in sparring under the limit amount of time he has trained.
This has been a super fun episode to film with Jeff. and if you guys want to see my sparring session with Jeff, be sure to stay tuned on his channel!
Special thanks to:
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Zen Parker
Peter Kuo
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Your techniques are awesome! I cannot wait til next time we meet, you teach me more :)
Let’s hang out soon!! Sparring Round 2!
Wing chun doesnt work with 16oz gloves. Thats like giving a judo guy 16oz gloves and tell him to do judo. Wing chun is no more than a close range grappling art that ends in strikes. More closer to judo and bjj than boxing. The chain punch is perform when the opponent backs away out of wing chun range. If your not connecting withthin 3 punches you lost it. Its not hammer fist its straight punches driving your opponent back with your base over your feet not leaning forward with your weight in front of your feet. Wing chun man doesnt clinch. Thats what biu gee for. Doing a chain punch from too far away your going to get shot on/taken down or long fist. I would love to see wing chun in ufc. Its a great addition to mma. i hope you can pull it off. Watch vitor belfort vs wanderlei silva ko.
Dude, you're a natural Wing Chun artist - much respect! 👊🥋
Should have should him Bong sau into lap sau
I wanna see you learn from Sifu Fong. He seems like a well of knowledge
I noticed when wing chunners fought each other they'd always land in the clinch from chain punching. I always thought it'd be a fantastic distance closing technique for grapplers.
I love how Jeff naturally recognizes that backfist trapping is not practical and instead strikes with the front hand directly after the trap - which makes a lot more sense, except in Ving Tsun it is struck with a vertical fist instead of a cross
better than 80 percent of the Wing Chun practitioners out there
Jeff the JKD guys really love the chain punch, their version the straight blast literally has you blasting your opponent with chain punch les while doing the 50 yard dash to overwhelm them with punches, speed and force. They often do exactly what you did either clinch up and go to the ground or clinch up and blast with elbows and knees. It works amazing in sparring
This is a great video.
They need MMA gloves to exploit gaps better, and he needs to hold a long guard at all times, and put constant pressure on opponent like Tony Ferguson did with Pettis in UFC. Because then he comes into trapping range more often and can use wing chun's techniques more effectively. And if he's not gonna use wing chun's elbow payload, he'll need to innovate and use boxing hooks instead. Wing chun must keep that 'phone booth' pressure on at all times. No retreat!
Wow, the collab I've been waiting for for a long time, let's go!
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Love this colab. The respect and friendship between you is great to see and feel.
Jeff's face chain punching everyone at the end 😂
Jeff was spamming the X button!🎮
@@brokentypewriterprod 🤣
I live for all these collabs!
I think Chain Punching is awesome for brigdeing the gap!
If you watch Ali, when he would get an opponent close to the ropes, he would essentially battle punch except he also threw feints and overhands to go around jabs and set up his big right. If it works for the Greatest it works for me!
love how much fun you guys were having.
Gotta have fun!! 😁😁
He should try to use the chainfist the way Kevin showed Wonderboy Thomson.
Using the chainfist after the first punch hits in 3 or 5 hit sets.
Kevins lession, not mine.
9:12 oh nice!
very good video, second guy is more talented in distance styles like taekwondo. great testing!
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second guy looked like he was trying to make some capoeira strikes work without the stance
He almost got Jeff.
en el minuto 1:00 a jeff le brillaron los ojitos, le gustó la técnica jajajaj, ya se imaginó usándola me parece
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Wait the guy keeps mentioning that you two sparred but why we can’t see it in the video?
It will be on his channel coming up soon!! Make sure you check out MMAShredded!
Classic Bare Knuckkle boxing almost fight & stance like wingchun back in the day so it work.🤔
Convergent evolution! Similar conditions and aims
Actually wing chun is effective, I always using pak chou in my boxing sparring, is quick and unpredictable.. And then follow by cross...
The gloves kinda complicate things
I've come to realize that alot of the trapping and chain punch techniques used in wing Chun can be used and incorporated in alot of other styles, altho I don't believe personally that wing Chun by itself is reliable and effective in real life scenarios. Not with the dynamic variables and better styles that can clearly outmatched it.. I guess Bruce Lee's philosophy still applies all these yrs later and it's beautiful. The chain punches are good for closing distance and can even be used to take opponents off balance and shift into grappling, the trapping as well looks very nice if you have good reflex and can see patterns quicker than the average individual.. all in all a good tool to add to the arsenal.
Watching this guy spar he already uses many principles/movements that are used in Wing Chun, he just doesn't call it Wing Chun.
nahh
the wing chun punches are just to weak and sloppy to work for any purpose to be honest
perhaps their drills might even work for defence but not with those punches as follow up, it destroys the rest of the art
those type of punches can't knock out or even interrupt someone from atacking you, the jab has waaay more power than the powershots from wing chun, everyone that feels the pace will just eat those weird punchs and land a strong one back
part of the defence is making the oponent fear the consequences of geting close
It's meant as a training exercise (speed and strength, structure) and the idea behind chain punching is continuous attack and flowing from one attack to the other. I'm still seeing it being taught by many as a "blitz" attack when that's not really how it's used.
I am so glad i dont see the stupid: "everyone has a plan until.." comment...
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"Everyone has a plan until they get...ahhh f*** it."
no, no, the eternal comment is: ‘this would never work on a resisting opponent/in a real fight/in MMA’ 😅 the authors of such comments are very wise warriors.
Everyone has a punch until they get planned all over the face
@@ttx3 i mean, depending on the video, those comments might be right
Jeff has shown a lot of growth as a martial artist. He went from going hard on styles he disagreed with to exploring their potential. :-) Kevin Lee is a great addition to the martial art community, especially Wing Chun.
Great collaboration!!! Always love how Jeff tries new techniques and I able to pull off many of them in sparring. ❤🔥🔥🔥🔥
I believe Jeff can make anything work! 😝
When will we see a collab between @Sifu Nate and @Kevin Lee ? Lets have an all in Wing Chun-JKD session between you two!
Hi Sifu Nate, when will you collab with Kevon Lee?
Hey Kevin, I just wanted to let you know you got me in to Kali and Wing Chun. And not only that, my sifu guro was trained by Dan Inasanto and Francis Fong! For every armchair fighter in the comment section, know that you have also inspired others like me to pick up the arts.
Woah!!! Thank you!! I am so glad to hear this! I hope you are enjoying the training!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@KevinLeeVlog I really have, even if it feels like I go home every day with a sunburn!
@@Deathbystrudel 😂😂😂
Welcome hia arts
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The human response to rapid attack flurries is not naturally effective. A lot of people actually do not have a good enough response to the flurry and just panic and cover up. U can also use this response defensively to have your partner panic when attacking. Its chaotic but does have a tactical purpose. At least from my experiences
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Mma guys and boxers will start sniping and moving backwards and say they did "decent" while you could have literally walked them down a corridor and out of a door if you get what I mean. I think if you can stand in a doorway and the other guy can't get past you, you are the better fighter
Definitely. That reaction happens due to lack of habit, since WC is one of the very few martial arts that throw punches so frequently in such a short time. Anyone who has received them knows how distracting they can be, block your vision, and make you defensive if you don't know how to react to them.
Among WC practitioners, it is taught how to react to that wave of punches.
@@edtheangler4930Sniping isn’t bad, also you don’t need a ton of punches if with a couple of shots you can knock down your opponent. I think a boxer would definitely try sniping, and if they feel like they’re giving up too much ground they’d probably just accept eating a couple of fast punches to land a powerful one, whereas an mma guy would probably just shoot for a double leg or something
Wonder why you don’t get videos where people have to try and make boxing work, or Muay Thai or BJJ。
This showcases the value of innovating upon traditional technique and mixing it up/into other disciplines so well.
On top of being informative and just all around fun, this was also wholesome af, everyone was learning while also having a blast and admiring/respecting each other!
wing chun is not just technique its hard work hours a day and years of practice from the correct lineage. not even sure the chain punch is being done correctly here your supposed to center the punch and not do a rolling patty cake. Im assuming its because the gloves are huge and get in the way. The whole point of WC is to punch the opponent first and hard so it takes the gas out of them. You cant really see the effects here because your using gloves. So the viewers immediately think the boxer can always throw a harder smacking type attack.
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Always love seeing these moves pressure tested, great video
Thank you!
Kevin it's great how you can go add Wing Chun elements to different fighters' styles! Great to watch!
It makes me smile whenever someone pressure treats the the art, even if they learn time hard truths and have to make adjustments. Guys like Rokas and Kevin taking traditional arts no one believed in and fixing them with modern training is awesome.
that sparring was so fun and jeff really implemented them quickly!
WING CHUN IS NOT A TECHNIQUE BASED ART. LIKE KARATE. ITS A CONCEPT BASED ART. LIKE TAI CHI. Teach him the ambidextrous footwork of Wing Chun. Teach the 2 main concepts of Wing Chun... Chi sau & Chun choi(concepts not techniques. Chung choi is an idea, chain punches is a technique) & how to blend chi sau & in his boxing/Chung choi would be useful.
Thanks for this, awesome to see! I've also used the chain punch in muay Thai and got very similar results !
Woohoo!! 🔥🔥
It sucks that the back fist and other varied strikes like the hammer fist aren't used more. Those weird off putting angled strikes found in a lot of traditional martial arts and even self defense programs. Great video!
Actually there is a video study on how Manny Pac throws his jabs which is like a back fist variation that shield his entry. Almost like a Count Dracula shield 🛡️
Hammerfist is effective, just not mainstream.
As for the backfist, its angle of attack comes from the opposite side of the torso, so unlike a basic jab or cross it is harder to generate power from that backhand angle. It takes more coordination to do it properly with power.
@@screamtheguy6425 Spinning Back Fist is pretty common in Muay Thai.
@@Vinnay94 Yes there is that backfist. But I am talking about the one you see in Chinese martial arts.
Ridge 🖐 hand?
I believe angles are important when being on the receiving end of chain punches, otherwise you'll just be backing up blindly.
Man even if the stance naturally places your hands low, Jeff looks so cool in a pai jong. Thanks for a great video Jeff and Kevin!
Jeff is the man! Thank you for watching!
Now that Jeff had a taste of Wing Chun, time to set him up with a Francis Fong session. Regarding today's session I'd just comment that it's not good to initiate the chain punches from a distance. It should be done in the range it's designed for, close up and when you've got his hands already trapped or as they're walking in as an intercept. It shouldn't be used as a hail Mary blitz from afar.
Red shin guards landing head kicks with zero damage is very impressive control. GJ by everyone though, no joke. Solid stuff.
4:20 bro thinks he’s Bruce Lee…
Expect he actually pulls it off.
Using too big of gloves. Makes it harder for wing chun to work as effectively as it should.
Tbf things like elbow block, hand trap, straight punch.....have been used in traditional martial arts way before they were used by modern MMA fighters. People nowaday just like to shit on something they don't like.
Wait…so you’re saying punching wasn’t invented by Connor McGregor? The Gracie family didn’t invent blocking and counter-punching? My world is shook.
At this point I'm convinced that you could show Jeff even the most outlandish martial art style and he'd still be able to twist it to help him. Man is absolutely insane.
I have a sort of Wing-Chun-ish base from ages ago that works great in lots of situations but becomes exponentially more difficult (to the point I just change styles) if I'm wearing big gloves or my wrists are taped. I feel just as disadvantaged as I would if I had to climb trees in the same gear.
I know the feeling until I sparred with someone who found a solution to that problem. He is a strong fighter, a veteran, in his mid 50's, and is in everybody's fight camp by invite or jokingly being mandatory; he got the nickname "Wildcard" due to him being so unpredictable and somehow powerful at the same time. The thing was he never told me what he did, so I ended up just studying his movements when he sparred with other people. Just thought he knew some really good freestyle boxing from then on, where he keeps his talents on what he does a secret. It's probably due to it being some military art as to why he won't tell anyone. All he said though finally from the question was "Use your imagination" and that it requires "emotional content," which told me everything in hindsight. The "emotional content" of course made me think down the line of Bruce Lee, Ip Man, and Wing Chun. It hit me like a brick what he did after watching a certain movie that had Wing Chun though, he was using Deer Horn and Butter Fly sword techniques in a boxing-esque manner by retrofitting all of the cut and slash attacks, and he just "imagined" his gloves were the weapon. The same way that Eskrima implements their stick attacks into their way of boxing. It made further sense to me because your weapons are always out of each other's way.
Daisy chain punches are my absolute favorite and something I try to hone down. Like Jeff mentioned, it’s a bit awkward to do with chin down but still fantastic for high volume fighter 😊. Keep up the collab!
I enjoy practicing with a wooden dummy but for defense I like using George Foreman’s crossguard. I also like Jon Jone’s oblique kick.
Wing Chun mixed with MMA = 🤘
Thank you!
The sparring part was very pleasant to watch and Jeff is always a good sport. Nice video!
3:18 should be Jeff's new signature move 😆
I never use chain punch besides to train. It makes you faster with bridging and transitioning. But if you arent moving feet, hips, or transitioning and moving forward the chain punch is useless except in learning that stuff.
I got clickbaited. I'll say one thing though before watching. The title...it contains 'Wing Chun'. My question (just like any other MA.): Who's Wing Chun? 🙏
I don't know why the whole internet is always blowing up with taking it to MMA, or cage fight, all the time. Is wresting good enough, or boxing, wingchun, akido, brazillian jiujitsu, taekwondo, judo, kravmaga, shaolin kungfu... good enough??? NO, nothing will work against a MMA fighter, and everything works with an MMA fighter as long as it fits the game rules. The move is not unique to wingchun, and all high level martial arts teaches similar moves. Probably all the teachers copied from one to the other. And running away is the best! ;-) Thanks for great video.
Chain punch is NEVER part of Wing Chun. It doesn't have power. The power in Wing Chun is generated by Jun Ma, i.e., twisting the waist.
Guys, don't use chain punches in an exchange with boxing punches. It's not what they're for. The boxer is probably moving his head and targeting your Jaw line (high knockout probability). Even if the chain punches land, they're not as effective so the exchange makes no sense.
Hey jeff you are crazy good and this video doesn't reflex your skills at all But I'm getting old and can't do all the things I want to do anymore I was one of the very first kickboxing instructor's in my country and traveled a bit visited club's around the world mostly kickboxing and Muay Thai and learned how other martial arts made you a better kickboxer and I would like you to learn some taido kick's and hapkido kick's then sparr with a hapkido silat muay thai kickboxing or kyokoshin athletes the more different styles the better it doesn't have to be exactly sport's i mentioned but any striking sport that takes themselves seriously in competition's..i think taido kick's are easy to learn but some of the hapkido kick's are advanced and hardcore kick's using bouth this arts and kickboxing style figthing with it's advanced spinning kick's etc in Muay Thai i think gives massive advantages.. some kickboxing kick's are from tae kwon do.i wish I changed sport's more and earlier you are young now and has that natural talent i know because I recognize fun and the only things you will ever be really good at is thing's that you really enjoy and has fun with.please try to implement hapkido and taido kick's to your striking reportoar I'm absolutely sure you won't regret it
The problem with classical wing chun is there is NO POWER in the punches. The fundamental tenet of this system is you stay in one spot to execute the block and traps and the counter comes from a short distance. There is no hope of stopping your opponent if they are skilled fighters and can take shots. The second negative aspect of classical wing chun is lack of progressive footwork that gives you range about your opponent. Again, it seems to be about planting in place and responding at close range. Third is there is no grappling. There is no solution for clinch and how to deal with clinch and no takedowns or even decent small joint manipulation that is effective. I saw these problems back in the 1970's and this has been explained by Bruce Lee himself and later from Dan Inosanto who understood the reason why Bruce wanted to move beyond it and incorporate boxing, FMA and long range kicking. The only way to make classical wing chun useful is to find how to transition into grappling from the trap. The traps are good but the strike counters are pointless with no power. Ultimately, I think wing chun really is one-dimensional and only about hand fighting and is crying out for expansion.
It just goes to show how alien concepts in Wing Chun are. Things like "springy energy" that is behind the "simultaneous attack and defence", or "power from the ground", "eating the horse" and that there isn't a "slip back" or "level change" once engaged are missing in the 15 mins crib notes explanations... especially since gloves change which techniques are usable. It shows how important it is to teach principles rather than techniques. Also missing were explanations of footwork which are boring to practice but essential for understanding how Wing Chun works. This was the best that could be done with a short explanation!
Vitor Belfort boxing blitz has similar concept for those having trouble using the wing chun chain or JKD straight blasts. Oddly enough if you watch boxers such as Manny Pac and Lomachenko…they do employ some vertical punching combinations to set up hooks.
All moves has it's time an place. Majority of moves from "traditional" arts work and can be made to work, with a bit of modifcation ofc course.
More than single techniques It would be really interesting to see an experienced MMA fighter or boxer/kickboxer learning incorporating and applying chi sao and chi gerk. If it works of course.
Kevin. It sounds like you've been spending more time speaking in your parent's original language...coz your accent is sounding less American recently. Has nothing to do with this awesome video. Just found it interesting.
Wow Lee! Having Jeff Chan colab is great! Chan is a great guy and an amazing fighter!
Jeff has tapped into an incredible market with what he does. He's aware, honest, humble & 100 of 1000s of traditional heads will listen to him. Awesome work Jeff, as an ex wingchunner myself it's glad to see someone Injecting some truth into the art
Jeff chain punching his partners just looks hilarious. Looks like a 6 year old fighting. Adding insult is when he sprawls on his opponent. Fun way of pressure testing techniques. 🤣
Great session. I know it's a matter of teacher/school technique and preference, but my teacher was always wary of counterpunchers off of a chain, so I've been taught to use it as a means to bridge the gap - throw it out, but with low expectations that it'll connect, mostly use it to get in contact with the opponent's arms. That, or use it as a finisher. Looking forward to more. Great attitudes, lots of respect
Hapkido techniques have been phenomenal for my bjj wrestling
Chain punches will only work at a low level. As skill and experience increases, you're just asking to be countered.
This make me think that wing chun training or other traditional martial art training is to comserve tradition itself or the ideology. Sparring is a universal language in martial art means there's no tradition except the rule set they play at the sparring session. When in sparring any traditional martial art become one language. It's not boxing, karate, & wing chun again but become striking art. It's not judo, bjj, & aikido again but become grappling. No matter what your martial art when on sparring it become either striking, wrestling, or striking art. The matter here is who's better at doing it.
I have seen a Chinese fake shaolin monk in K1 pull off the simultaneous block and strike against the hook. Yi Schlong, I believe his name was.
wing chun needs to stress offensive and defensive head movement and foot work. This will help avoid being on the center line and be an easy target. Also being off center line will help wing chun be better offensive attack. you can hit them but they cannot hit you. Also need to stress striking without blocking and trapping. not all situations require trapping and blocking
Wingchun will work only if you know other effective arts😁😁
Dude a t 4:43 was that a rock lee naruto tai jitsu move there lol
Chain punching blitzes are food for the soul!
That backfist can also be a fak sau where u smash ur forearme into their neck & take their structure away
It would be nice to see you on the usdc of rokas
(self defense championship)
Can anyone tell me what website I can find a reliable wooden dummy on. Please and thank you.
Hey Kevin, just want to say I love your content as it gives me a lot of time to reflect on my own Wing Chun journey and how I should go about improving. You give me a lot to think of when I train with my Sifu and give me the opportunity to seek out the knowledge one should feel confident in asking their teacher.
P.S. I hope you do a cameo with the Karate Nerd!
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I thought this was gonna be Jeff with the UFC fighter Kevin Lee lol
I love how simultaneously aggressive AND controlled the sparring here was. I try to encourage it amongst my students all the time, get after it but don't leave any brain cells on my mats
Isn’t former pro MMA fighter a little more accurate?
Re the vid Title:
Can Jeff make the knife work?
Or
Can Jeff make boxing work?
It's not can you make something work, it's: are you any good at it. I think Jeff isn't bad at all
it's a valid title though because unlike boxing and knife there is a perceived ineffectivity to wing chun - especially with the lack of documented success of the style and the prevalence of fake masters getting ousted both in the western and in China.
I feel the third concept works the best when you concentrate more on attacking than defending. If you wait until you block the opponent's strike, you are already too late, but if you see your opponent clearly throwing something with a good opening to use, striking at that opening before the opponent's strike lands and then blocking is more likely to work.
I think you're right. Since you don't want to chase hands it might be better to just protect your gate and just go in for the attack.
@@thevillageyid its all about conditioning. If you notice a habit of your opponent you can try to counter it, but you can't be ready for every strike from every angle at all times, they say the human mind can only track 7 things at a time.
Amazing. Where is this studio located?
Love how he used the blitz over and over again and it basically always worked.
I was waiting for Kevin to spar with Jeff..... =x
One question. When trapping and closing the distance why use your fist instead of your elbow? Is it personal preference, or for safety while training? I'm not a martial artist tbh, so maybe the answer is obvious lol.
Probably because of distance of elbow. After all, elbow are easy to block and dodge if you didn't forcefully make them close to you.
Last technique if the 3 looked a lot like Xing Yi fire.
Wow. Jeff Chan? I am now a fan! That was a great video!
Super video guys. Nice of you to show that Wing Chun moves does work if you know how to adapt them. Keep it up !
Hey, Jeff. Does the phrase "Rat Step" mean anything to you? It's when you're in a 60/40 or even 70/30 stance and lift the front foot just enough to let your weight pitch forward and then you just cinch up the back foot to match the distance covered. Just kind of "rat stepping" forward with it over and over. Try that type of foot work with the chain punch to keep your chin under control and to keep from over committing to the forward motion too much.
I'm betting Sifu Fong has heard "rat step" before, and Kevin is probably familiar with that terminology as well. It's slang in southern style circles for that kind of shuffle step.
jeff chan is bruce lee's son. be water my friend
The legend has it, Jeff is still cycling those hands to this day.