Are Black Americans Held To Higher Standards of Performance?

What role do stereotypes about Black people and Black culture play in Black American success and their need to adapt to social norms?
Do Black Americans have to code switch to succeed professionally and personally?
How much do different racial cultures create barriers between Black and white Americans and matter in our world today?
Do all Americans have to learn to follow society’s norms in similar ways, or are Black Americans affected in a unique, particular way?
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[@TheDwchan]

As an American Asian, That’s bull sh_t.

[@healingrace3491]

Thanks for commenting, @TheDwchan ! We'd love to learn more about your thinking. Can you share more about your perspective on this topic and what information or experiences inform your perspective? Thanks for engaging!

[@markk34]

Interesting. Your comment suggests that your race has informed your conclusion. Is this not exactly what he’s arguing? That you suggest yours is the “correct” conclusion actually HELPS proves HIS premises/conclusions……… QED

[@dwindeyer]

From my perspective, the reality of professional careers is that it's comprised mostly of who you know and it's always been that way - showing up best dressed only works for the entry points. Many people immigrate to a country and face the same uphill battle, but they know they will not create these relationships quickly enough for themselves so they pour everything into their kids and create some of the most successful people in the next generation. I think what is unique to the black american experience is that the propensity to create generational success this way has been almost completely stripped from the culture and as a result everyone is starting from square one every generation. That propensity is mostly imbued by family in the formative years.

[@healingrace3491]

Thank you for your though-out comment, @dwindeyer ! We'd love to learn more about your perspective.
Do you think there are any differences in how immigrants and Black Americans are perceived in the workplace (or in society more generally)? Do they deal with different or the same kind of generalized associations and assumptions? What has informed your views on this one way or another?
It seems you were claiming that "who you know" is important to advancement in career beyond entry points. Did we understand that correctly? Andre agrees with you on that point. What he is suggesting in this episode is that overcoming tropes about black people - through things like dress, speech, etc. - is important in developing those relationships that will help advance your career. In his experience and the experience of his peers, the two are connected. What are your thoughts on that?
We'd love to learn more about your thinking and what has shaped it!

[@Kingkongmental]

If you were being equally logical and coherent you wouldn’t have to say that you were. One person was displaying over the top gesturing, spoke emotionally, used colloquial buzzwords, and even calling the other “boy.” Although that could be partially because it was more personal for them.

[@healingrace3491]

Thanks for commenting, @Kingkongmental ! Can you explain a bit more about what you meant when you wrote, "If you were being equally logical and coherent you wouldn’t have to say that you were?" We weren't exactly sure what you mean by "you wouldn't have to say that you were." Were what?
You mentioned "over the top gesturing, spoke emotionally, used colloquial buzzwords" as being important or relevant in the idea you are sharing. What do these aspects of his speech convey to you? What meaning do you think they send?
Thanks for engaging!

[@markk34]

Your comment suggests that there is a standard of behaviour, language use and manner that he SHOULD have used instead………. Think about it…….

[@DeyTookOurJobs]

@@markk34 turns out you're a troll
Get a life

[@healingrace3491]

Thanks for responding,@@markk34! Are you suggesting our reply to you suggests a certain standard, or were you saying that a comment in the video suggests a certain standard? If the former, we were really just asking what those behaviors indicated or meant to you. Can you clarify on that front? We'd love to better understand your perspective.

[@DeyTookOurJobs]

This dude is in a cloud of nonsense.
Just because you may have experienced something a few times from a low level human, doesn't mean that's the norm.

[@healingrace3491]

Thanks for commenting, @DeyTookOurJobs ! We'd love to learn more about your perspective. Is there something that was mentioned in the video that you believe is not the norm? What lets you know more generally that a certain bias, attitude or behavior is the norm? What has shaped your own views on this topic? Thanks for engaging!

[@markk34]

I like the term cloud of nonsense I’m taking it. But your assertion that his experience is unique to him is fallacious. There are millions who can attest to having the same experience mate. It is by definition the norm……..

[@DeyTookOurJobs]

​@markk34 his wording indicates he thinks it's the majority.
It is not. Anyone who interacts in the real world knows that.
If people want to talk about THEIR EXPERIENCE, they need to start using words to describe it, like "my truth" and "what I believe", or "in my personal experience".
The left is still trying to spin this narrative that racism is worse than it's ever been, and that is utterly preposterous

[@healingrace3491]

Thanks for commenting,@@markk34! We do discuss at some point in the larger conversation that adapting to the professional environment is a fairly universal experience. Two of the questions that surface in response are...
First, whether, on average, Black Americans are held to higher, different, and/or unfair standards relative to other people. That could be in norms they have to comply with and/or it could be the enforcement of norms.
Second, are certain people prepared to adjust to professional norms differently and unequally, and does that break down differently by race. So the idea that adjusting to the professional world in a general sense is a fairly universal human experience is not necessarily being argued against here. I
hope that clarifies! What are your thoughts on the above, and what informs or shapes your views?

[@ht71229]

Wow, the he's is so eloquent! FYI, if you are surprised by the fact that a podcast cohost is well spoken, that kind of proves his point.

[@healingrace3491]

Thanks for commenting, @ht71229 ! What's the part of the video you are responding to? We'd love to engage!