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Thank you for sharing @ImaCatMaia ... and for your honesty! We'd love to know more about your perspective. What leads you to feel ashamed? Thanks for engaging!

Thank you for sharing, @chesterdonnelly1212 . Your story is very interesting because it parallels what we've heard from some of the Black Americans on our show... the idea that being harmed, killed, discriminated against, etc. as a group can create a motivation to identify and act collectively as a group. We're curious.. were the girls targeted because of their skin color? Thanks again for engaging... our show is focused on having open, honest, constructive, good-faith conversations about what can often be difficult and contentious topics. Your honest sharing is very much in line with that aim. So thank you.

Well, most cultures don't go to Target or Walmart to break down windows and steal tv's and whatever they can get their hands on to honor the death of someone. It is a disgrace to the deceased.

@@healingrace3491 we don't know why they were targeted. They were stabbed at a summer dance camp. The police withheld the identity of the killer. Rumours were started that he was a Muslim illegal immigrant. Some people attacked mosques. Others attacked hotels that were housing illegal immigrants. There has been a lot of terrorism and crime from Muslims and illegals recently and this just sent people over the edge. The rioters have been mostly arrested and given long prison sentences. The killer hasn't been tried yet. He is a young black guy who grew up in England so not an immigrant in the way it was rumoured. A second generation immigrant with parents from Rwanda.

@@healingrace3491 @chesterdonnelly1212 I totally understand the feeling of wanting to protect your tribe (your family and, wider, the idea of a community and of course I can't ignore that race comes into this for a lot of people). This primal urge is precisely what far right agitators immediately sought to tap into before the facts were even known. Yes, they stooped that low, they used the horrific murder of little children to stir up xenophobia and islamophobia to get a cheap win. Just dreadful, any way you look at it.

@@healingrace3491 we don't know why they were targeted. They were white and the killer is black so possibly. It was at a Taylor Swift summer dance camp so you would expect the kids there to be white girls.

Thanks for sharing, @BlancaMartinez-uv4ee ! We'd love to hear more about your perspective. You mentioned that you don't "see" yourself as Hispanic... do you feel any identification with the Hispanic community? If not, what do you think led you to not feel identified with the community in ways that others do? Based on the conversations we've had with guests, some might ask if you would feel different, if you would have a stronger identity, if you felt you or your family were treated unequally or harmed in some way for being Hispanic? People have shared that group identity is often formed and strengthened by being targeted for that identity. What are your thoughts and experiences?

@hectormanuel9793 I feel a little bit like you, I was born in Mexico but my family are mostly Italian, I’ve been in the US for about 47 years, but I don’t have any black friends and only 2 Hispanics 🤣 most of the black people I’ve met have been very r….t and they always said and made it obvious that they hated white people, I’ve always lived in mostly white Anglo communities , I don’t know why but I find these are the people where I’m more comfortable and I’m just me, they never see me like somebody different 🤔?

@@BlancaMartinez-uv4ee There's nothing wrong with feeling more comfortable with some groups of people more than others, it's the level of education and culture. So, you're fine!

You aren't white. Europeans are not a white race. White is a deracinated pseudo identity.

Thank you for commenting, @hectormanuel9793 . Have you had positive experiences with African Americans in the last 30 years? We've had a lot of positive experiences on and off our show. What do you think might explain the disconnect between our experiences and your experiences? We're interested in hearing more of your thinking. It would seem to us that the Black Americans are just as diverse and varied as other communities... What are your thoughts?

Thank you for commenting, @anthonypuccetti8779 ! We'd love to hear more about your perspective. How would you describe the difference between white identity and black identity? What do you think explains or causes the difference (if you do believe there is a difference)? Thanks for engaging!

Thanks for commenting, @mattvideoeditor ! How do the meanings differ, and what is the impact of living mixed? Does it breed more conflict? more understanding? We'd love to hear about your experience.

Bullshit! I know white families that only marry whites in Brazil!

We do have some comments @JMSsssssss ... and we'd love to hear your thoughts on the topic and what has shaped them.

Thanks for commenting, @Sage1Million ! So glad you feel the same way as we do. We're hoping that having open, real, good-faith conversations about these difficult topics will help create greater understanding, connection, and a sense of shared humanity. Have you had these conversations in your own life? How have they gone?

Thanks for commenting, @SM_zzz ! What part sounded racist to you? We'd love to hear more about your perspective.

Thank you for commenting, @christophertrout6826 ! We'd love to hear more about your perspective. How do you grapple with the nuance and come to a judgement about police incidents? How do you determine what responsibility lies with the officer and what lies with the civilian?

Thank you for commenting, @jerrybranagin7615 ! How do you grapple with the nuance and come to a judgement about different police incidents? How do you determine what responsibility lies with the officer and what lies with the civilian?

@healingrace3491 once you do something stupid you deserve whatever you get

Thank you for commenting, @american6431 ! We'd love to hear more of your thinking. Are there any situations where use of a gun by police is justified when the civilian does not have a gun?

Thank you for commenting, @aaronbond8630 ! Can you clarify what you are saying is "new?" We weren't clear on what you were referring to and want to understand your perspective.

Thanks for commenting and sharing your feeling about conversing about these issues @justinfrederick01 . While these conversations might not matter to you, some people do care about them. We're curious... do you think there is any value in talking about racial issues (or any other societal issues for that matter) in an open, honest, good-faith way? Thanks for at least clicking to give our video a shot!

Thank you for sharing so fully and thoughtfully, @michelleAL894 ! We have had this idea of class being more important come up a number of times in the conversations we've had with guests. Others have shared that, while they agree there are overlaps in the way lower income Americans are judged, there are additional stereotypes and discriminations that Black Americans face separate from class. What are the ways you were judged that seemed similar to what a black person would face, and do you think there are additional ways that black people are judged, regardless of their class? We'd love to hear more about your perspective, and greatly appreciate you sharing your experiences!

We agree@@timstarkes173 ! That is very much why we are focused on hosting open, real, good faith conversations that bring out the humanity of everyone involved. If we can’t share and talk through our different views and experiences on the issues that typically divide us, we can’t see how we will find the unity you and we hope for. What are your thoughts?

Thanks for commenting, @MaryEllenGoode ! What shapes your view that we focus on race too much? What role do you think race should play in our national dialogue, and why? And what specifically "goes both ways?" Thanks for engaging, and we'd love to learn more about your perspective!

Thank you for commenting, @kjetilknyttnev3702 ! We'd love to learn more about your perspective. Are you contending that racism doesn't exist or that it exists but is not as big of an issue today? What has shaped your beliefs on that one way or the other? Also, what do you take as evidence that values are the driving force behind outcomes within racial communities? And if indeed community values are a key factor, what to you has shaped those values? It'd be great to hear more of your thinking!

Thank you for commenting @winnie796. We'd love to learn more about your perspective! Your theory is that not talking about race leads to ending racism (and presumably that talking about race leads to perpetuating racism). How exactly does talking about race create or perpetuate racism in your mind? And how does not talking about racism eliminate the racism that exists? In your views, what is racism? We'd love to hear more about your thinking. Our view is that it's not about not talking about race but rather talking about it in a more open, constructive, good-faith manner - one that seeks real understanding and engages with the humanity and backstory of another person. We are open to other views of the issue, like yours, and would love to learn more. It just hasn't been our experience in life that a problem disappears without talking about it. Have you had that be the case in another area of your life? What are your thoughts?

@@healingrace3491 By continually talking about Race you make it seem like it is important when it is not….to the overwhelming vast majority of people in the Western World. Systemic Racism was ended in the 20th Century by introducing new laws and improving education. Show me any laws, in any Western country, where one Race is advantaged over other Races? The only example I could give you is about Affirmative Action, where minorities are actually prioritized over the majority. Naïve policies that have actually had more negative effect than positive. Go watch or read anything by Thomas Sowell on this matter, he can articulate this far better then I can. It cannot be claimed that there exists systemic Racism today. When you look at many aspects of society where minorities are hugely over represented, such as sports, how can anyone even think there is pervasive Racism in society. People supporting and cheering on their team regardless of the team’s racial make up. People really don’t care about skin colour anymore. I have no doubt you could pick areas of society where Race can be a factor viewed negatively and then I could show examples where it clearly isn’t. Some still try to argue about Race in crime statistics and Police bias. Go watch or read Harvard professor Roland Fryer on “Race and Policing”, which completely debunks this myth. Keeping the Race discussion going is only giving people another reason to feel like a victim and making them feel hate. Talking about Race often distracts from the real reason(s) people are feeling bad about their lives. It is the easiest card to play, which helps people avoid tackling the harder issues that are really affecting their lives. Of course, there are benefits to those who still make money out of keeping Race an issue. They write books, make “educational” courses for schools and businesses and, of course, making Social Media videos. They are clever enough to know that the sins of the past are a great way to exploit lingering guilt. Why would they want that gravy train to end? Is there still Racism today? Yes……but in the Western World it is a tiny tiny minority, which is continuing to shrink. On the other hand, I travel extensively in my work and I have seen very overt Racism in North Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Funnily enough, no one is targeting these places with Critical Race Theory and other divisive racial topics. Perhaps there is no money to be made in these regions of the World regarding Racism.

@@healingrace3491 By continually talking about Race you make it seem like it is important when it is not….to the overwhelming vast majority of people in the Western World. Systemic Racism was ended in the 20th Century by introducing new laws and improving education. Show me any laws, in any Western country, where one Race is advantaged over other Races? The only example I could give you is about Affirmative Action, where minorities are actually prioritized over the majority. Naïve policies that have actually had more negative effect than positive. Go watch or read anything by Thomas Sowell on this matter, he can articulate this far better then I can. It cannot be claimed that there exists systemic Racism today. When you look at many aspects of society where minorities are hugely over represented, such as sports, how can anyone even think there is pervasive Racism in society. People supporting and cheering on their team regardless of the team’s racial make up. People really don’t care about skin colour anymore. I have no doubt you could pick areas of society where Race can be a factor viewed negatively and then I could show examples where it clearly isn’t. Some still try to argue about Race in crime statistics and Police bias. Go watch or read about Harvard professor Roland Fryer on “Race and Policing”, which completely debunks this. Keeping the Race discussion going is only giving people another reason to feel like a victim and making them feel hate. Talking about Race often distracts from the real reason(s) people are feeling bad about their lives. It is the easiest card to play, which helps people avoid tackling the harder issues that are really affecting their lives. Of course, there are benefits to those who still make money out of keeping Race an issue. They write books, make “educational” courses for schools and businesses and, of course, making Social Media videos. They are clever enough to know that the sins of the past are a great way to exploit lingering guilt. Why would they want that gravy train to end? Is there still Racism today? Yes……but in the Western World it is a tiny tiny minority, which is continuing to shrink. On the other hand, I travel extensively in my work and I have seen very overt Racism in North Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Funnily enough, no one is targeting these places with Critical Race Theory and other divisive racial topics. Perhaps there is no money to be made in these regions of the World regarding Racism.

Thanks for your comment, @BaptizethePublic-p3j ! We'd love to learn more about your perspective. Do you think getting the talk early in life would have helped you at all? Why or why not? And how would you describe the "over-policing" to someone who doesn't see or believe it exists? Thanks for engaging!

@@healingrace3491 No. Aggressive & disrespectful behavior doesn’t require provocation. As a Black kid who grew up in the suburbs, I didn’t start interacting with the police until my teens. During my initial interactions with them, I couldn’t be more docile. Before I thought the word of them. Long story short: I was in the hood. A fight broke out. Cops were called. My friends fled. I approached the cops in an attempt to prove to my friends they were harmless. I was approached aggressively & made to sit on the curb like a dog with a grown man’s crotch in my face. Violence doesn’t need to occur to categorize this as inexcusable behavior. Cops have assaulted & killed people for way less. McDonald’s employees have gotten fired for less. As for people who don’t believe Blacks are over policed? Look at Tyre Nichols. You don’t see gangs of cops jumping out of vans beating White people to death in White neighborhoods over nonexistent infractions.

@@BaptizethePublic-p3j Well said.

@@BaptizethePublic-p3j, thanks for sharing more about your experience and perspective. We very much appreciate it. From having had a number of guests engage on this topic, almost everyone would share your criticism of the Tyre Nichols incident. Some of those people would also say that they wish those kinds of horrible incidents didn't taint the millions of police contacts that go alright. Some also share examples of white civilians getting beat or killed in similar ways to the high-profile incidents we have all seen, but that don't get the same coverage. Since we hear these kinds of comments, we'd love to hear how you think about the comments given your experience. Thanks again for engaging!

@@healingrace3491 This is BaptizethePublic: I don’t mean to be blunt or for this to come off as rude. Killers don’t kill every person they encounter. Robbers don’t rob every person they encounter & rapists don’t rape every person they encounter. Police not harming everyone they interact with isn’t an accomplishment. This is about public safety. This is about civil & human rights. The image of law enforcement isn’t a public safety issue nor is it a civil or human rights issue. And the question was are Black people over policed, not if White people are subjected to police misconduct too. White people being mistreated or harmed by the police is an entirely different subject than White people being over policed. As I said, there aren’t hordes of cops jumping out of vans in White neighborhoods randomly roughing White kids up. If you wanna compare the police’s treatment of Black people versus their treatment of White people, forget the attention, it’s not White people who’s bearing the brunt of this. And for anyone who says more Whites are killed by cops than Blacks, that’s because Whites outnumber Blacks. There’s a higher percentage of people in the Black community who are on the receiving end of violence at the hands of the police.

Thanks for commenting, @gtube177 ! Just for clarity, what is the point of view Marcus expressed that you think differently about? Also, to better understand what you are expressing, are you saying that precinct incentives are a bigger issue than was represented in the conversation, or that there is a bigger issue with individual officers engaging in knowing misconduct and abuse? Thanks for engaging!

@@healingrace3491 Both... It's known that police knowingly don't keep records on its officers that shine a bad light on them. Marcus doesn't seem to be admitting that police and the justice system is bias.

Thanks for your comment, @Mrk3lly ! We'd love to hear more about your thinking on this. What do you think is important about getting "the talk?" And when you mention a "historical oppressive police force," do you think the police has changed or improved over time? It'd be great to hear more about your perspective!

Thanks for commenting, @ThuTu-k8h ! For clarification, what do you mean when you say "do your best to represent 'black', not family?" Thanks!

@@healingrace3491 When you go about in public, some will judge you based on your skin color and your race, not your family. Be a good ambassador for your own racial community.

In this scenario, he hates balck people and should be fired, named, and shamed. Everyone should play it cool and get a lawyer if necessary. The victim doesn’t need to represent “blacks” for the racist cop 😂 that’s a wild statement.

Thanks for commenting, @atomm3331 . We'd love to better understand your perspective. What leads you to believe that he hates black people? We did not get that impression from the longer conversation with this group of guests, part of which is here: th-cam.com/video/NHddBiCHI9k/w-d-xo.html

Thanks for clarifying, @ThuTu-k8h ! So your perspective is that people should take it upon themselves to represent their groups in a positive light. Is that right? What would you say to someone who might say that sometimes people don't get the chance to actually represent themselves well? Thanks for engaging!

Thanks for commenting, @ht71229 ! What's the part of the video you are responding to? We'd love to engage!

Thanks for commenting, @johnbrentford5513 ! What has the discrimination you mentioned looked like when you've seen? We'd love to learn more from your experiences.

Thanks for your comment, @reneecabassa2047 ! We'd love to learn more about your experiences. How have you seen this play out among brighter blacks in the South? What does it look like for them them to show prejudice and how have you seen their lives be easier? And what does it look like when the "darker ones can be relentless in their effort to balance the scale?" Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for commenting, @tjgriffin6738 ! How have you seen this greater prejudice play out? We'd love to learn more about your perspective.

Thank you for your comment, @alfreeman728 ! We'd love to hear more about your perspective. What do you think is important about "knowing the past?" And have you have any moments in your life where you became aware of a larger, fuller reality beyond a narrative you were previously taught to believe? How did you experience that? To connect the questions to this clip, there seemed to be two parts of what was jarring for our guest when it came to learning about Jim Crow later in life: 1) the narrow slice of history he was taught, which told a narrative of national unity that he later learned did not fully capture our reality, and 2) the disconnect between that narrative and what was going on with regard to race as he was actually growing up. Have you had any similar experiences in your life - whether related to race or otherwise? Thanks for engaging!

@@healingrace3491 Grew up in Ferguson/Florrisant, MO. All but my mother and one of my sisters were racist, Including all my friends. Nothing I was taught in school was wrong, it was just a very small part of the actual story. Whether it was the economy of the southern states which totally depended on the slaves/blacks or the Chinese who were responsible for much of the building of the railroads. The plight of the Indians is well known. But, that was in the past and isn't material in today's world. Our history wasn't any different than what happened in every other country in the world. It's just the way it works. Prior to the 1964 Civil Rights Act most of the racists were Democrats. They migrated to the Republican Party and the non-racists migrated to the Democrats. So here we are.

@@healingrace3491 As for why it's important now, it's needed because without that knowledge you cannot understand the other person.

Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience, @drewbonsall384 ! What is your sense of the motivations behind the call for "defund the police?" Here is the longer conversation that our guests had: th-cam.com/video/yl3A1aC_l6A/w-d-xo.html We'd love to hear your thoughts on it after hearing various perspectives!

Thanks for your comment, @Rick-og6oy ! We totally agree that getting clear on definitions is very important for this and many other topics... what are some of the definitions you've heard? Our guests do get to defining "defund the police" more in the full episode, which you can watch here: th-cam.com/video/yl3A1aC_l6A/w-d-xo.html We see so many people talk past each other on issues around race (and other topics), and then they assume they differ in their views much more than they oftentimes differ in reality... which is part of the reason why we think these conversations about race are so important. So thanks for highlighting the importance of definitions!

Thanks for commenting, @photorealm ! We'd love to hear more about your perspective. What is the fake reality you believe is being created as it relates to this clip? Thanks for engaging!

@@healingrace3491 I used to listen to the police scanner in the background and realized how much more crime was going on relative to what the news was reporting. My friends wouldn't believe me when I would tell them what all went on the night before , they thought I was exaggerating . It was an eye opener for me, I had the impression that the news media kept us informed, they absolutely do not. I think it would probably freak people out too much to know. News media paints a picture that becomes most peoples basis for reality, socially, politically, and economically. Doing research on important issues is required now days IMHO.