Damn, these lines are sad. It's also super interesting what he says about not being afraid to die. I never thought about him being afraid he won't reincarnate, but it makes a lot of sense. No wonder he clings to the one he has so fiercely.
This is such a great comment. For those reading it who are not aware, elves are long-lived and do not procreate as frequently as the other races. They reincarnate and are very particular about this. For example, they regard other races as lesser because they do not reincarnate, and many view these other races as soulless as a result. It's interesting to hear this character make mention of this.
@@adrienneinchi all races in Faerun reincarnate, though, it can even be directly addressed if you play as Gale and make the ultimate sacrifice. Unless, indeed, they are soulless, like illithids. Or true vampires, for that matter.
@@rosehill7919All races don't reincarnate at all. They all go to their respective afterlife. Elves are barred from theirs so they reincarnate. Also, true vampires aren't soulless. The soul of an undead is trapped inside the body, tainted and corrupted.
Interesting that he emphasises that it's "/degrading/ that people like her keep falling for it" (the sexy vampire schtick). Especially since there's that line from the DM in the ascended bite scene, where "he will always think of yourself as degrading yourself for being with him". Maybe ascended Astarion sees spawn Tav as exactly the same as Araj: just fetishizing him
Yep, I believe the writer for BG3 in some interview said that choosing to become a vampire for Ascendant Astarion was written as a failure on your part to see him as a real human being and instead fetishize him as this hot vampire dude or something like that.
@Lolo_Si in deed this kind of work like a break of 4th wall in a very conceptual and mental way, when you read the comments of most of the AA simps its like they buy the hot vampire cliché same as Oblaj. I mean paying attention what the dude says its just common sense the conclusion "fuk Im being the lascive disgusting fool that he hates so much"
@@Lolo_Sithat’s a weird statement from the writer In a game about choice. there are a hundred reasons (roll play and otherwise) that someone would choose that option without it being about fetishising him. Hell they give you the reasons when they add lines like the one with the bhaal priestess that’s like ‘in 1000 years you’ll watch the stars fall down together in eachothers arms’. Love eternal after the long road to happy both durge and Astarion have is something they both deserve
My husband and i are doing our first playthrough together and we just got this. We were so interested is asking him why he wouldn't bite her, thought he'd be down. Once he said no we were like "well of coarse he dont gotta, we're wrecking house anyway, dont need her help". Then this convo triggered and we were just blown away how much sadder it rly was. Never makin him, or anyone else, do anything. Had to rewatch it cuz the feels went by so fast
Damn, this hurts me so bad. I wish we had the opportunity to keep Cazador as a pet and torture him for a while before killing him, just like he did to Astarion. I would literally burn down the world of anyone who harmed him. :/
I got this dialogue at “relationship is good” high 50s level, but wasn’t romancing him, just friends Still wish I could have given him a friend hug, but I think hugging only comes up as an option if you are initiating romance
Astarion's story doesn't pull any punches and shows just how ugly the realities of being a survivor is. But 2:10 really strikes me in a way no other line of his has. It's so plain but implies so much horror. But more than anything, it shows how those experiences stick with you and become a part of you. And for as much of a show Astarion puts on, for a vast majority of the game, he doesn't see his body as a part of himself, just a tool others will use if he doesn't take advantage of it first
I always back Astarion up when it comes to the Blood Drow because my friend is a person, not an object. I also know you don't need high approval or must be in a relationship with him to get this. I got this by asking Astarion why he wouldn't bite her then respecting his wishes.
Not worth it though. When you don't make him do something he didn't want to do it makes him realize that he was still thinking like a slave even though he was now free, and is 1 of the single greatest moments of character development for him.
I never had this dialogue when in a relationship with him, in my latest playthrough, I just had high approval and got that dialogue for the first time. (was wondering, why everybody says, things about s**ual a**se and stuff, when he always seemed fine to use his assets XD but with that dialogue, I finally realised, where it came from)
Am I the only one who thought the scene with the drow blood merchant was rlly cut and dry? I’ve seen [SPOILERS] ppl confused about Astarion breaking up with them after they make him drink it (or choose the “do it if u want option”). Personally I felt like it was a super clear scene in terms of him establishing his own autonomy and seeing u as undermining that if you asked him to do it in any way. When he says these lines after about seducing ppl for Cazador (and from what we know of how Cazador manipulated him, sometimes giving him a choice and then punishing him either way) it was a pretty clear choice to me of backing his EXTREMELY CLEAR “No” on biting her. Idk even without the follow up scene a lot of his previous dialogue made me aware he’s been deeply hurt and used and lacking autonomy, somehow I do feel like ppl get caught up in his sexy vampire schtick and ignore how tragic, lonely and scared he is! I didn’t romance him this run (my tav is only interested in women) but I found myself really wanting to help him heal and grow, despite all the dubious stuff he says, because I could see how much his past had hurt him.
I thought I told him that he could do it if he wanted, and he said ‘no’ and thanked me. Maybe I’m misremembering. I wished there was a line that was like “you can have the potion if you do it, but if you don’t want it, then don’t do it” just from a roleplay perspective. Because he had every right to say ‘no’ - but it was a powerful potion and my character would have encouraged him to at least consider the tradeoff. Whatever I said made it clear that he didn’t have to do it. Because, of course he didn’t.
Ive a got a neutral rating with him, on the playthough i got this scene i had an enthusiasm to let him be his own self. What does he and the others want for themselves.
how did you get this cutscene? I was in a relationship before meeting her, made sure there were no other long rest cutscenes that would block this one and tried every single "good" answer to try and get this cutscene to come up but it never worked ): I just assumed there was no special cutscene for if you're already in a relationship with him because it never appeared for me Edit to say, I also had him at max approval by the end of speaking to her
@@pogpurin its an act 2 scene so he cant be ascended but I am also playing dark urge so that could come into it, but none of the other romance scenes with him have been different
I’m not sure but this looks like a dialogue on high approval but not romanced because it never appeared for me either. and in case you do ask him to bite her then he apologises for being so difficult and you can reaffirm he should continue using his body to get things and he accepts that. unlike when he is romanced.. forcing him to bite her hurts the relationship and he can even break up with you.
So emm I take it no approval points in this scene? lol In my game I kinda talked him into it, and hes complaining having to drink it lol Vampires damned if you do damned if you don't am i right lol
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"It isn't worth the scars, anymore." Ladies and Gentlemen, Neil Newbon for Best Performance
Damn, these lines are sad. It's also super interesting what he says about not being afraid to die. I never thought about him being afraid he won't reincarnate, but it makes a lot of sense. No wonder he clings to the one he has so fiercely.
This is such a great comment. For those reading it who are not aware, elves are long-lived and do not procreate as frequently as the other races. They reincarnate and are very particular about this. For example, they regard other races as lesser because they do not reincarnate, and many view these other races as soulless as a result.
It's interesting to hear this character make mention of this.
@@adrienneinchi all races in Faerun reincarnate, though, it can even be directly addressed if you play as Gale and make the ultimate sacrifice. Unless, indeed, they are soulless, like illithids. Or true vampires, for that matter.
@@rosehill7919All races don't reincarnate at all. They all go to their respective afterlife. Elves are barred from theirs so they reincarnate. Also, true vampires aren't soulless. The soul of an undead is trapped inside the body, tainted and corrupted.
@@rosehill7919They never argued that, they were just explaining what elves believe and how they see other races
Interesting that he emphasises that it's "/degrading/ that people like her keep falling for it" (the sexy vampire schtick). Especially since there's that line from the DM in the ascended bite scene, where "he will always think of yourself as degrading yourself for being with him".
Maybe ascended Astarion sees spawn Tav as exactly the same as Araj: just fetishizing him
Yep, I believe the writer for BG3 in some interview said that choosing to become a vampire for Ascendant Astarion was written as a failure on your part to see him as a real human being and instead fetishize him as this hot vampire dude or something like that.
@Lolo_Si in deed this kind of work like a break of 4th wall in a very conceptual and mental way, when you read the comments of most of the AA simps its like they buy the hot vampire cliché same as Oblaj. I mean paying attention what the dude says its just common sense the conclusion "fuk Im being the lascive disgusting fool that he hates so much"
@@Lolo_Sithat’s a weird statement from the writer In a game about choice. there are a hundred reasons (roll play and otherwise) that someone would choose that option without it being about fetishising him. Hell they give you the reasons when they add lines like the one with the bhaal priestess that’s like ‘in 1000 years you’ll watch the stars fall down together in eachothers arms’. Love eternal after the long road to happy both durge and Astarion have is something they both deserve
My husband and i are doing our first playthrough together and we just got this. We were so interested is asking him why he wouldn't bite her, thought he'd be down. Once he said no we were like "well of coarse he dont gotta, we're wrecking house anyway, dont need her help". Then this convo triggered and we were just blown away how much sadder it rly was. Never makin him, or anyone else, do anything. Had to rewatch it cuz the feels went by so fast
God, that line about not being able to escape his body... I've heard that from so many survivors. This fucking hurts
Thank you so much! It's such a rare yet precious and important dialogue with him
‘Getting on my back for bread crumbs again’ wow that lol fucking cuts
He is our tragic baby😢
Ok, but now you have to play with Scratch. He wants the attention. Promise me you played with him after being Astarion's therapist.
Always. I give Scratch scratches before every long rest.
Damn, this hurts me so bad. I wish we had the opportunity to keep Cazador as a pet and torture him for a while before killing him, just like he did to Astarion. I would literally burn down the world of anyone who harmed him. :/
This scene is so powerful. I almost prefer it to the romanced versions, because this one is all about him and his journey, not about how great Tav is
I got this dialogue at “relationship is good” high 50s level, but wasn’t romancing him, just friends
Still wish I could have given him a friend hug, but I think hugging only comes up as an option if you are initiating romance
Astarion's story doesn't pull any punches and shows just how ugly the realities of being a survivor is. But 2:10 really strikes me in a way no other line of his has. It's so plain but implies so much horror. But more than anything, it shows how those experiences stick with you and become a part of you. And for as much of a show Astarion puts on, for a vast majority of the game, he doesn't see his body as a part of himself, just a tool others will use if he doesn't take advantage of it first
I always back Astarion up when it comes to the Blood Drow because my friend is a person, not an object. I also know you don't need high approval or must be in a relationship with him to get this. I got this by asking Astarion why he wouldn't bite her then respecting his wishes.
Maaaaaaaan, I thought he WAS being too precious, now I just feel bad about making him bite her.
But the potion is sooo good,
Not worth it though. When you don't make him do something he didn't want to do it makes him realize that he was still thinking like a slave even though he was now free, and is 1 of the single greatest moments of character development for him.
I'm going to be That Gal: what's the doublet he's wearing? I don't know I've seen that and it's a good fit on him.
He looks good in red, yeah. It's Solemnity Outfit In Black and Furnace Red Dye
I never had this dialogue when in a relationship with him, in my latest playthrough, I just had high approval and got that dialogue for the first time. (was wondering, why everybody says, things about s**ual a**se and stuff, when he always seemed fine to use his assets XD but with that dialogue, I finally realised, where it came from)
The response, to asking if he ever enjoyed it… big oof
Am I the only one who thought the scene with the drow blood merchant was rlly cut and dry? I’ve seen [SPOILERS] ppl confused about Astarion breaking up with them after they make him drink it (or choose the “do it if u want option”). Personally I felt like it was a super clear scene in terms of him establishing his own autonomy and seeing u as undermining that if you asked him to do it in any way. When he says these lines after about seducing ppl for Cazador (and from what we know of how Cazador manipulated him, sometimes giving him a choice and then punishing him either way) it was a pretty clear choice to me of backing his EXTREMELY CLEAR “No” on biting her. Idk even without the follow up scene a lot of his previous dialogue made me aware he’s been deeply hurt and used and lacking autonomy, somehow I do feel like ppl get caught up in his sexy vampire schtick and ignore how tragic, lonely and scared he is! I didn’t romance him this run (my tav is only interested in women) but I found myself really wanting to help him heal and grow, despite all the dubious stuff he says, because I could see how much his past had hurt him.
I thought I told him that he could do it if he wanted, and he said ‘no’ and thanked me. Maybe I’m misremembering.
I wished there was a line that was like “you can have the potion if you do it, but if you don’t want it, then don’t do it” just from a roleplay perspective. Because he had every right to say ‘no’ - but it was a powerful potion and my character would have encouraged him to at least consider the tradeoff.
Whatever I said made it clear that he didn’t have to do it. Because, of course he didn’t.
Oh noooooo my heart 💔
"Cazador's pleasure chambers" 😢 😢😢😢
That dialogue is not so rare for me. That’s the dialogue you get with unromanced Astarion
I should know, mostly didn’t romance him ;)
My poor Astarion 😢
This damn game makes me cry again, God, I love him so much, it hurts me to hear it and not be able to do anything..❤️💦
Ive a got a neutral rating with him, on the playthough i got this scene i had an enthusiasm to let him be his own self. What does he and the others want for themselves.
If I got this dialogue = friends zone???
no
how did you get this cutscene? I was in a relationship before meeting her, made sure there were no other long rest cutscenes that would block this one and tried every single "good" answer to try and get this cutscene to come up but it never worked ): I just assumed there was no special cutscene for if you're already in a relationship with him because it never appeared for me
Edit to say, I also had him at max approval by the end of speaking to her
I’m wondering if it’s something to do with the dark urge? And or maybe ascended Astarion
@@pogpurin its an act 2 scene so he cant be ascended but I am also playing dark urge so that could come into it, but none of the other romance scenes with him have been different
Pretty sure that you get this version of the cutscene if you are at low approval with Asta.
I’m not sure but this looks like a dialogue on high approval but not romanced because it never appeared for me either. and in case you do ask him to bite her then he apologises for being so difficult and you can reaffirm he should continue using his body to get things and he accepts that. unlike when he is romanced.. forcing him to bite her hurts the relationship and he can even break up with you.
@@dragonagegirlcreator says this is the cutscene they got while already being in a serious relationship with him
Omg what is the corset top you have on i need it!
I think it is either the Spring or Teal Slimfit Outfit. They look like tunics on the men and corsets on women.
What mod do you use for tavs face?
So emm I take it no approval points in this scene? lol In my game I kinda talked him into it, and hes complaining having to drink it lol Vampires damned if you do damned if you don't am i right lol
He said that to me, I thought it because I'm not romance him😢😢😢