Debate DERAILS After Destiny Plays Piano During Shouting Match

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  • @destiny
    @destiny  3 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    "A punishment"
    Primecayes ►www.twitch.tv/primecayes ►twitter.com/primecayes ►th-cam.com/channels/5-KrE89zNr78JJIFka3QIA.html

    • @destiny
      @destiny  3 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      @@kiy4334 i'll stop

    • @lmSnarkk
      @lmSnarkk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      primecayes is so chill

    • @taltoskieron
      @taltoskieron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      August, if you keep creating BANGER videos like this I'll go full TRIAD and stalk you.

    • @skysi
      @skysi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He gets punished for being old. How is that difficult to understand? Don't harp on exact definition of words

    • @parker469a
      @parker469a 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skysi Exact definitions are important if you're trying to communicate information quickly and effectively but if everybody is already on the same page with what the person means when they say the word then the word has served the purpose that it was intended for which because words are created by people for use for people and not handed down to us by some divine being their definitions are fluid depending on how society uses them but that guy doesn't agree with this idea so he thinks it's justifiable to argue against using "punish" that way.
      Having said all that, someone is getting screwed for one reason or another and that does suck in a way that each will not feel that it is fair to them.

  • @Cycstorm
    @Cycstorm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2369

    The piano is the power move, but the Nuke would be the saxophone.

    • @adamngriffin3921
      @adamngriffin3921 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Bakers street plays over debate

    • @Azraelmaximilian
      @Azraelmaximilian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Especially if you just duck into the corner and then pop out to casually blare Careless Whisper

    • @Cycstorm
      @Cycstorm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Shirtless, like that dude from 'The Lost Boys'.

    • @jeffwells641
      @jeffwells641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@adamngriffin3921 Man I was totally thinking that. I had to go do some mad googling because I don't think I ever knew the name of the song was "Baker Street".

    • @PhillipUranus
      @PhillipUranus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I’d literally shit my pants laughing if he busted the sax out lmfao

  • @haydenandersen9937
    @haydenandersen9937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1409

    With this, he's finally outpaced Vaush. *musically*

    • @greatesthits8293
      @greatesthits8293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Nah dog, he doesn't have a sociology degree (which would definitely help with piano skills I think). I feel like like Vaush doesn't mention that enough.

    • @jedbriimc9879
      @jedbriimc9879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Amazin

    • @EE-jp5ev
      @EE-jp5ev 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Just as foretold in the scrolls

    • @bobjenkins4925
      @bobjenkins4925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      While Vaush was banging on the bongos, I mastered the Bechstein.

    • @MrJesusisreal
      @MrJesusisreal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      true

  • @Old_School_293
    @Old_School_293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +932

    If you’re ever debating Destiny and he eats pizza while playing the piano, you’re screwed.

    • @pengwin_
      @pengwin_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      the new "Destiny opens a Notepad"

    • @blitz8425
      @blitz8425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The ultimate debate tactic doesn't exi.....

    • @AnimeFan9833
      @AnimeFan9833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's all about the pi

    • @lilfr4nkie
      @lilfr4nkie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s not even his final form.

    • @iamhappyso
      @iamhappyso ปีที่แล้ว

      Pizza debate tactics + piano is unstoppable

  • @Sprite_525
    @Sprite_525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +694

    *Fanatiq* : “He was short, AND let me say, he wasn’t tall, that’s the disconnect: his height was NOT maximal! Was it minimal? One could say yes. explore the smallness of his height but do NOT DENY IT. Why? Because it’s undeniable. His stature was of negligible amounts, THAT IS my point, heretofore!”
    *Destiny* : “🎹”

    • @alslayer18
      @alslayer18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Fanatiq channeling his inner Mojo Jojo

    • @MrJesusisreal
      @MrJesusisreal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      true

    • @steviegreenthumb4720
      @steviegreenthumb4720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@alslayer18 holy fuck ahahahahahaha

    • @m.czandogg9576
      @m.czandogg9576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@alslayer18 YOOOOO lol

    • @MP-cq7pm
      @MP-cq7pm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alslayer18 Did you just compare a black man to a monkey?

  • @TheFanoren
    @TheFanoren 3 ปีที่แล้ว +760

    I love this new "they ain't gonna shut up, so ima play piano" meme

    • @johnnycash5684
      @johnnycash5684 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      Piano Tactics > Pizza Tactics

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@johnnycash5684 Pizza Tactics neva eva lose!

    • @evolution__snow6784
      @evolution__snow6784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      “New”

    • @Sprite_525
      @Sprite_525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@evolution__snow6784 “guys, I was doing piano debate panel strategies like TEN YEARS AGO, I’m so cool and underground!”

    • @normanwei529
      @normanwei529 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@Sprite_525 im pretty sure destiny did it before, like years ago pretty sure that is what he was eluding too haha

  • @Sakuya_Moon
    @Sakuya_Moon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1075

    Playing the piano officially became a debate tactic

    • @laxjs
      @laxjs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Timestamp?

    • @chandler7493
      @chandler7493 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It has been for a while, it's just that recently Destiny has had a high concentration of derangement in his debates

    • @Old_School_293
      @Old_School_293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@chandler7493 to be fair, Tristan (I got my PhD from a cereal box) would infuriate anyone.

    • @chembabe8264
      @chembabe8264 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@instanttregret i was going to say the same exact thing 😂

    • @bartholen
      @bartholen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@instanttregret The next level is eating pizza while playing the piano. And the final, galaxy brain tier is eating the piano while playing the pizza.

  • @Jess.Anderson
    @Jess.Anderson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +454

    Waiting for the day one of Destiny's opponents responds to the piano by pulling out an instrument of their own and beginning an impromptu jam session.

    • @deltachiken5847
      @deltachiken5847 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      This day can't come soon enough holy shit 🤣

    • @TheQuilava96
      @TheQuilava96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I'm going to purposefully create a debate channel, challenge Destiny to a pointless debate, and have my trumpet on standby.

    • @Winasaurus
      @Winasaurus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Duelling banjos in the middle of an immigration debate, I'm down for it

    • @highprodigy5063
      @highprodigy5063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      cute idea but virtually impossible with delay. Also Destiny seems to always mute when he plays piano, so they can't hear him.

    • @imagineifcrazy
      @imagineifcrazy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Impossible is a bit disingenuous. Difficult, yes, but not impossible. Also the point of it wouldn't even be to be good quality.. just funny.

  • @salokin3087
    @salokin3087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +786

    Debating people while playing the Piano is peak Sigma, methstiny energy. We only wish for an ounce of that ability

    • @gustavotcb3904
      @gustavotcb3904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      My meth is too strong for you, traveller.

    • @myonlineid9141
      @myonlineid9141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I'll take a gram

    • @kebabfoto
      @kebabfoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It's on par with the pizza tactic

    • @mlgmcdonaldsland7063
      @mlgmcdonaldsland7063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kebabfoto
      Holy fuck I forgot about that

    • @slikkwill4137
      @slikkwill4137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I support this rhetoric on an emotional level

  • @maartenjanez1489
    @maartenjanez1489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Man, Fanatiq sure likes to hear himself talk

    • @MaxPowersUK
      @MaxPowersUK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Clearly

    • @user-gu1un7pb7k
      @user-gu1un7pb7k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I think he knows he's dumb and doesn't want anyone to jump in and correct him

    • @SuperKitchenSink
      @SuperKitchenSink 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@user-gu1un7pb7k literally me

    • @Shannxy
      @Shannxy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Then get really visibly mad and complains when someone else spends even half the time he does, to answer something

    • @faikerdogan2802
      @faikerdogan2802 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-gu1un7pb7k wouldn't say dumb but really needs to chill

  • @AnimeFan9833
    @AnimeFan9833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Madlad: *starts speaking*
    Destiny: Sorry can I-
    Prime: Hey stop! Destiny, go on.

    • @poadude
      @poadude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      LOL i noticed that too

    • @jacobburr3570
      @jacobburr3570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Prime got that top energy baby

    • @kingdodgearcane
      @kingdodgearcane 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Perhaps Madlad should invest more than 5 dollars on a microphone

  • @jaked.5954
    @jaked.5954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    You know Steven is about to drop some knowledge when he puts his hands behind his head

    • @pisaniforprez
      @pisaniforprez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      He's pushing the brain juice towards the front where his mouth is

    • @rreeeekk
      @rreeeekk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      you know he's gunna say something fast and angry and probably end with an exclamation of "holy shit"

    • @SuperSecretAgentNein
      @SuperSecretAgentNein 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The second I read this comment I look up to Tiny doing just this.

  • @fischerosborn6470
    @fischerosborn6470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    Suprised destiny didnt need to whip out the famous pizza strat to deal with such a dominant opponent

    • @Funymoney010
      @Funymoney010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It’s been triumphed by playing the piano

  • @SPENCEx1x3
    @SPENCEx1x3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    3:26:35 The 3/5 compromise was actually an antislavery measure of the Constitution. Contrary to popular logic, it was the antislavery side that argued that African Americans should count as 0 people and the pro-slavery side that argued for them to count as 1 person. The reason for this is that they were arguing over whether slaves should count towards a state's population for their representation in the House of Representatives. If they counted as full people then it would help the pro-slavery side by granting them more political power in the House, while if they didn't count as people it would grant the antislavery side more.

    • @kingknapp
      @kingknapp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I thought most people knew that? The entire point was that the union states were showing the blatant contradiction that the south was having about slaves. The views of the south were that slaves were inferior and are property, not people.
      The union was pretty much saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or a better phrase that I've heard is, "If you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch." If you want slaves, they're property. If you want a higher population, they're people and deserve to be treated as such.

    • @ajollyoldben
      @ajollyoldben 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kingknapp Just because the Union was right about slavery being bad doesn't necessarily mean they were right that slaves shouldn't count as a person for the purposes of population. There doesn't seem to be any inherent contradiction in someone being both a human and property. The population was a count of humans in the country not a count of citizens, or people who could vote. Most people couldn't vote anyway. Also most people don't know any history.

    • @lo-filogic
      @lo-filogic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@ajollyoldben You're forgetting the context

    • @MMMM-vq1yr
      @MMMM-vq1yr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The 3/5s compromise actually makes me so angry, I wish the North burnt the South even more. 'People that we are saying aren't people should suddenly be considered people when it comes to our political power and influence'. I have no idea how anyone can defend the Confederacy as being downtrodden and mistreated when shit like that was allowed.

    • @Saint_Sigismund
      @Saint_Sigismund 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@ajollyoldben If you acknowledge that your slaves are human then you have to confront the fact that you're keeping *human* slaves. Way easier on the old psyche to say "I know they look a lot like us, but..."

  • @xXFluffers
    @xXFluffers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Prime cayes has gotten a lot better at moderating since the last time I saw him. I still won't watch unless destiny is on but it's nice that he doesn't consider himself a moderator and panelist at the same time anymore

    • @FranciscoEditing
      @FranciscoEditing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I don't know when the last time you saw him was, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm at 1:02:00 and people are literally arguing back and forth with him. First hour in and he's talking way too much for a neutral moderator imho xD

    • @xXFluffers
      @xXFluffers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@FranciscoEditing He used to literally spend 100% of the time as a participant. I'm not gonna be super hard on a twitch stream panel host occasionally inserting themselves into the argument, not only is it just gonna happen sometimes on something so informal, it's also good content sometimes. It was just irritating in the past when he was CONSTANTLY apart of the argument and abusing his host powers to just mute people and argue over them, he doesn't really do that anymore it seems.

    • @Loengrinn
      @Loengrinn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@xXFluffers main reason I prefer Dylan Burns panels. Dylan literally debates, but he almost never chimes in on his panels, and he's way better at cutting into the talking over each other, which I can't STAND and actually makes me not watch Prime's panels.

    • @casualmime2792
      @casualmime2792 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He 100% still does that. He did that here.

    • @jacobburr3570
      @jacobburr3570 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh I thought he was a panelist in this video. He's being a moderator while destiny is hosting?

  • @HanzOfHarkir
    @HanzOfHarkir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    This was so much fun, great debating with you dude

    • @wren4077
      @wren4077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You made fanatiq balder than he is
      Rude

    • @Dexanimus
      @Dexanimus ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jolly good troll sir 🧐

  • @tarfielarchelone2674
    @tarfielarchelone2674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    "I'm in the middle of game"
    No wonder he's so high strung he's probably getting blown out.

    • @henrywoolley3733
      @henrywoolley3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasn’t he playing TFT as well your literally just watching the fighting take place

    • @Crispman_777
      @Crispman_777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@henrywoolley3733 You are but it's still a game that demands focus

  • @baronofbaobabs
    @baronofbaobabs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    CatJAM moments
    2:18:25 but even
    2:29:13 DIRECTLY
    2:30:15 you were so quick
    2:30:53 it needs to be
    3:06:38 some people do
    3:08:34 furthermore ft. piano
    3:10:59 we're talking about ft. piano
    3:15:46 and the difference
    3:17:28 do you remember
    3:18:46 why would you make a law
    3:22:31 and the other thing
    3:25:43 so this is why ft. destiny
    3:28:08 clearly ft. destiny

    • @kwongstar7821
      @kwongstar7821 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Bless your timestamps

    • @Sprite_525
      @Sprite_525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is amazing holy sh%+ 😆

    • @Oo-vr2jn
      @Oo-vr2jn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for linking the piano part

  • @scottydo0081
    @scottydo0081 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Literally every speaker on this panel has a dramatically different volume from one another.

  • @lorddank1121
    @lorddank1121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    The epipen segment was unironically the only time I wanted to hear Sproticus talk about something.

  • @jdjenk04
    @jdjenk04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    Why does it seem like Fanatiq takes 10 minutes to say something that could be said in 20 seconds? It’s like every thought he has has to meet the 5 page minimum requirement for an essay.

    • @HP-sq2fp
      @HP-sq2fp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Because he has an obscenely inflated view of his own intelligence. This dude LOVES to hear himself talk 😂 It gives second hand embarrassment

    • @mypartyisprivate8693
      @mypartyisprivate8693 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      As a long-winded person myself, he is insanely long-winded

    • @mlgmcdonaldsland7063
      @mlgmcdonaldsland7063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@mypartyisprivate8693
      Make your party public

    • @trondadon2527
      @trondadon2527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Destiny lowkey does the same shit sometimes. He’ll speak in a long tangent for no fucking reason

    • @Tyler-lr6fq
      @Tyler-lr6fq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@trondadon2527 yeah, destiny does it sometimes, but far less frequently. There’s also a big difference between being longwinded and being able to cut out 98% of the words said and lose no meaning

  • @kentontudor
    @kentontudor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Lol at the first topic. "What are some other options to socialized medicine since not everyone is in favor." Panel goes on to say there's nothing better than socialized medicine. Great debate guys

  • @KizTheCat
    @KizTheCat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Uh Sprouticus said that when you go to a normal doctor you’re not allowed to go back to the VA and that’s definitely false. I go back and forth all the time.

    • @Sniperfuchs
      @Sniperfuchs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I'm pretty sure "Sprouticus says something that's wrong" is his entire brand.

    • @feedmeyourragetearsareacce1135
      @feedmeyourragetearsareacce1135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Because Sprouticus just listens to right-wing podcasts all day and has no idea what he's talking about or the impact it has on their lives.

    • @richardnixon7248
      @richardnixon7248 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sprouticus is actually a really good moderator though. He has a "cage match" addition that keeps annoying, shouty people in check by giving them 3 minutes with another person then muting both for 3 minutes. Even though sprout is a Conservative, his impartial moderation ended up disproportionately policing Rob Noerr, who's an incredibly annoying Conservative whatabouter

    • @TCVB491
      @TCVB491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sprout is dumb, that being said, he’s a much better moderator. I’ll take him over “Rob Noer” ten times over.

    • @Saint_Sigismund
      @Saint_Sigismund 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm pretty sure he (or somebody) clarified that if you go to a normal doctor for a service-related injury you couldn't then go back to the VA and get treatment for that particular injury.
      I don't know if that's true or not, but it seems less ridiculous.
      Like, if you get surgery from a private doctor to fix a chronic problem caused by a service-related injury - and something goes wrong - now if you try to go back to the VA they have to fix whatever the private doctor did AND address the original issue. You've already paid for one surgery (depending on your ability to sue, which is its own giant hassle) and now the govt has to pay for at least one more.

  • @justintyler4814
    @justintyler4814 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    This may be a contraversial point, but fanatiq gets mad like his name is Melvin.

  • @xenomorphairsofting8988
    @xenomorphairsofting8988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Please keep doing the piano when someone is grand standing. It makes it so bearable. Love it.

    • @rreeeekk
      @rreeeekk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i looked up the meaning of grand standing during this debate and im pretty sure its basically the same as virtue signaling. am i wrong?

    • @mechanomics2649
      @mechanomics2649 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rreeeekk They're more or less the same, but what does that have to do with anything?

    • @MongrelFather
      @MongrelFather 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If for no other reason than that, i really hope this lasts a long while. It really makes the rambling so entertaining instead of grating sometimes

    • @alecrutz956
      @alecrutz956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      grand piano standing

    • @jako9833
      @jako9833 ปีที่แล้ว

      what song was he playing

  • @kawaiiandbeans124
    @kawaiiandbeans124 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Yikes. If only Fanatiq cared to read the second or third definitions of punishment on Google, he would understand that the word "punishment' does work with how Destiny is using it. Unfortunately he got so heated and blinded by a semantics debate and decided to yikes us with content.

  • @trobins4473
    @trobins4473 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Destiny’s explanation of marginal cost is a great example of why I follow his channel. Appreciate this kind of clarification in these discussions.

  • @AnimeFan9833
    @AnimeFan9833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    "Well, the problem with your hypothetical is that it's not realistic" a sentence that says more about you than any hypothetical ever could.

    • @fisharepeopletoo9653
      @fisharepeopletoo9653 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hypothetically speaking, If a rhinoceros existed in the universe, and this rhinoceros was god, and this god thought only rhinoceros' should be able to live, but that god is also limited in his abilities in that it can only kill other rhinoceros', would there be more or less grass growing in the plains?

    • @fisharepeopletoo9653
      @fisharepeopletoo9653 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a hypothetical, let me introduce the concept of anti-gravity. If the Earth were hit by an anti-gravity laser from an unknown alien species, and this anti gravity laser destroyed the Earth since it could no longer hold itself together, would this be an act of war? And how do you think the now destroyed human species should respond? Lmao not all hypotheticals can be granted. You really do need to ground them in reality, because otherwise we just don't know what we're talking about. My examples might suck but my point is that reality is necessary in hypotheticals otherwise no one can follow your hypothetical.

    • @Divinemakyr
      @Divinemakyr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@fisharepeopletoo9653 A hypothetical doesn't need to be realistic. Often, the entire point of hypotheticals is that they are NOT realistic and thus can push ideals to their limit in situations that rarely or never occur in reality.

    • @fisharepeopletoo9653
      @fisharepeopletoo9653 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Divinemakyr I intentionally said things that don't make sense and can't be granted. My second comment leaves the earth destroyed and the human race extinct, then asks how these hypothetical humans might respond to an action. But of course they couldn't respond, because they are extinct, making it a useless hypothetical. There needs to be some level of realism for the hypothetical to make sense, was my point. If your hypothetical isn't grounded in reality then it can't be engaged with by people who are.

    • @jacc7203
      @jacc7203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@fisharepeopletoo9653 you're right, a hypothetical, or "thought experiment" should resemble reality as closely as possible, and only change one variable, so you can isolate that variables effect on the situation. Like an experiment, but for thoughts. Pretty basic philosophy tool, actually.

  • @wairfeather972
    @wairfeather972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Destiny & Hans: “People’s beliefs and their understanding of the world are shaped largely by the environment they live and grow up in.”
    Fanatiq: 👁👄👁

  • @burningsickle
    @burningsickle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Just wanted to say - as a conservative, I appreciate Sprouticus being willing to come onto these debate channels in these sort of 1 right-leaning vs 8-9 central to left leaning panelists and try his best to make his points. He doesn't seem to have the most robust answers - definitely not the most researched ones - but he at least manages to put the ideas out there while being reasonably respectful.
    Similarly, thanks to the other panelists who are patient with him - despite largely disagreeing with him. They offered him at least some chance at legitimate discource, and even occasionally supported ideas that didn't seem as out there. Mind you, I'm only 25 minutes in at the writing of this comment, but I do appreciate how Destiny and others conducted themselves here.

  • @Mrbigdaddymanamale
    @Mrbigdaddymanamale 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY CLEARLY, this is good content.

    • @an_Anon
      @an_Anon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      CLEARLY

    • @redshift912
      @redshift912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So this is why so this is why so this is why

  • @TheMrBrown96
    @TheMrBrown96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    I want a debate panel were people like Fanatiq just instantly get booted off, the second everyone else realises how out of his depth he is

    • @tamzeed5285
      @tamzeed5285 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Would be constructive. He always debates about semantics and wants to score points based on cherry picking. Very dishonest.

    • @PedroTricking
      @PedroTricking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I watched the Hanz video and through a lot of this Fanatiq seems to be logically in the right and people aren't following him. That hanz video was mostly on making fun of covid suiciders, it started there at least. I still disagree with every position fanatiq took though.

    • @Saint_Sigismund
      @Saint_Sigismund 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I want a debate panel where there's a cage around all the contestants and they have weapons.

    • @handsomebear.
      @handsomebear. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@woozleification Monologue shitshows are way less fun than group shitshows. Hearing the same person talk in the same way with the same stupid argument over and over again is just boring.

    • @jaunty_tunes
      @jaunty_tunes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No way. This was quality entertainment

  • @Visitant69
    @Visitant69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I despise that moment in a Destiny debate when he's slowly walking someone through something and he's almost got them exactly where we need to go, and some yahoo decides nows the time to interject and stop Destiny from clearing up the misunderstanding.

  • @cameronstrouth7614
    @cameronstrouth7614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Destiny was destroyed in this concerto

  • @env0x
    @env0x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    people think Destiny intentionally trying to interrupt Fanatiq. lol nah he's just trying to de-stress from the frustration! he wasted a lot of time getting stuck on lexical semantics in this

    • @MO-zk8qs
      @MO-zk8qs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah I believe that. Sometimes destiny's too quick to try and boil things down, but most of the time he helps give breathing room from all the arguing

  • @Oopsydoodles
    @Oopsydoodles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Destiny's new Piano Ignore Ultimate smash that rolled out this patch is great, massive tilter.

    • @pengwin_
      @pengwin_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      too OP, needs balancing

    • @stropheum
      @stropheum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's actually been in the game for years, but he just started experimenting with it again ever since they nerfed moderators

  • @thealexkirschproject8036
    @thealexkirschproject8036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Obama actually gave Veterans choice to seek out healthcare outside the VA. Trump just expanded upon it.

  • @TheTheawesomeguy35
    @TheTheawesomeguy35 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    “CLEARLY, CLEARLY, CLEARLY!”
    Someone needs to remix that

  • @tomlloyd2603
    @tomlloyd2603 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Just some clarification on the UK "denying a kid goes to Italy to be saved":
    "The Alder Hey Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust went to the High Court to seek a declaration that "continued ventilator support is not in Alfie's best interests and in the circumstances it is not lawful that such treatment continue".
    Sitting at the High Court in Liverpool, Mr Justice Hayden began overseeing the case on 19 December.
    Alder Hey said scans showed "catastrophic degradation of his brain tissue" and that further treatment was not only "futile" but also "unkind and inhumane"."
    And:
    "Mr Evans said he believed his son was still responsive, telling reporters outside court Alfie was "improving".
    But Michael Mylonas QC, representing the hospital, said: "One of the problems of this case is they [Alfie's parents] look at him and, barring the paraphernalia of breathing and feeding, he's a sweet, lovely, normal-looking boy who opens his eyes, [and] will smile..."
    The hospital asserted that any movements by the child were "spontaneous seizures as a result of touching".
    Mr Justice Hayden ruled in favour of hospital bosses and doctors were set to withdraw ventilation on 23 February before his parents embarked on a lengthy legal battle."

    • @Crispman_777
      @Crispman_777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That Alfie's Army shit was horrible. Really showed the public's ignorance towards end of life procedures and the reasoning behind the practices.

  • @cowyeti21
    @cowyeti21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Piano-rage-arc has been the most enjoyable arc

  • @MO-zk8qs
    @MO-zk8qs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    fanatiq repeating the first part his sentence forever until everyone gives up is really awful..like I get doing that if you're heated and desperate but it wasn't even that serious

    • @pward17
      @pward17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hes 95% rhetoric

    • @greyalice
      @greyalice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      To be fair, Destiny does this as well. I think the difference is that it takes a lot more to push Destiny to that point of frustration than Fanatiq

  • @rednog6538
    @rednog6538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I swear PrimeCayes has the unique ability to to pull in the most brain dead panelists.
    I swear some of their arguments are them just yelling at each other when none of them don't have the faintest idea about what they're talking about.

  • @InternetResearch
    @InternetResearch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Some sort of debate is covering the Stellaris gameplay, August definitely fumbled this upload

  • @VenomRivera666
    @VenomRivera666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It would've been more effective if he didn't mute himself before playing. That would have been the true Chad move.

  • @hamsterboy56
    @hamsterboy56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I like how it was just a given that having a socialised medical system disincentivises research when the UK outperforms the US on bio-medical papers per 1000 population and per GDP and per GDP spend on research. America does way more research than the rest of the west because the country is huge and has an enormous economy

    • @lo-filogic
      @lo-filogic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I was wondering about that since the entire argument seemed to hinge on this fact. It's usually not a good sign when 1 wrong metric/source or analysis can make the entire argument moot.

    • @hamsterboy56
      @hamsterboy56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lo-filogic That's exactly why I looked it up lmao

    • @PedroTricking
      @PedroTricking 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What if disincentives very expensive (but very important) research? The stat you gave doesn't address that.

    • @hamsterboy56
      @hamsterboy56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@PedroTricking you mean like how Oxford University was researching a vaccine for SARS for decades funded almost entirely by the government? That turned out pretty useful when they released the first covid vaccine in the world.

    • @pactsuprize
      @pactsuprize 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A socialized medical system DOES decentivize research. Your "european countries" have been piggyback riding off of American research for their spots. They say that overall health innovation, the U.S. is ranked 4th. However we are ranked first in BOTH choice and science/research

  • @tigresuave11
    @tigresuave11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    2:26:57 when you're trying to act hard but your emotions start leaking out

  • @alewis17
    @alewis17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Anyone who says that ANY system is perfect as is is someone you should write off completely

    • @PedroTricking
      @PedroTricking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is that system perfect? Checkmate atheists.

    • @alewis17
      @alewis17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PedroTricking oh Shii-

  • @pbmdh
    @pbmdh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    2:10:50 Absolutely it is NOT first come first serve. There's a huge complex equation, but the patient's status and the chance that they go back to drink again (using a cirrhotic liver for example) is 100% taken into account, it actually accounts for a huge amount of the equation.
    Source: Wife is an inpatient RN on the organ transplant floor of a well known hospital

  • @blocherxk6618
    @blocherxk6618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    This is the evolution of the eating pizza strategy.

    • @pbear1988
      @pbear1988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Final form is eating pizza while playing piano

    • @brandonden795
      @brandonden795 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@pbear1988 Eat the piano

    • @AnimeFan9833
      @AnimeFan9833 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is actually the prequel

  • @tbone007
    @tbone007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It seems "Punished" is the new trigger word...

  • @blitz8425
    @blitz8425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Sprout is basically a fox news headline generator lmao

    • @wuzomed
      @wuzomed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      as the rest of the panel a CNN headline generator?!

  • @Lazzil
    @Lazzil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm really glad we have Destiny's calm and soothing piano music to counterbalance Fanatiq's high intensity debate screaming.

  • @jacobwages7021
    @jacobwages7021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    i love when destiny plays music during a debate. It's soothing amid the chaos
    .

  • @j.rlouis3756
    @j.rlouis3756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Fanatiq has really bad anger issues goddamn.

    • @Ebb0Productions
      @Ebb0Productions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      short fuse

    • @j.rlouis3756
      @j.rlouis3756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Andrew Stevenson I've been aware of fanatiq for some time now. He has a bad habit of going on tangents and getting overly upset. Hanz and Destiny baited him several times towards the end of the video and he bit on it every single time. Theres nothing wrong with black men showing anger and defending themselves, but the way fanatiq does it undermines himself.

    • @joeyhuddleston7072
      @joeyhuddleston7072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Andrew Stevenson Nah, he's angry to a fault. Not just remarking on a black dude being aggressive, just on him being stupidly temperamental.

    • @mechanomics2649
      @mechanomics2649 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He comes from the fighting game community so that's to be expected.

  • @bennyd1200
    @bennyd1200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    dude the ragequit piano playing could be such a good meme

  • @walterspencer7524
    @walterspencer7524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm surprised Destiny didn't use the piano years ago. That move really pisses people off. It is way more socially disrespectful than insulting someone for some odd reason.

  • @saradangererickson7031
    @saradangererickson7031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sometimes I think I'm done with Destiny, and then he pulls me right back in.

  • @snoopsauce6294
    @snoopsauce6294 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    And to think, this is Destiny at a fraction of his power. These people would quake in fear at Methstiny

    • @the-renegade
      @the-renegade 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He takes meth? When?

    • @mlgmcdonaldsland7063
      @mlgmcdonaldsland7063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@the-renegade
      Some guy sold him some sort of unidentified amphetamine claiming it was mdma

    • @the-renegade
      @the-renegade 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 So, he takes meth regularly?

    • @Niko-pt9li
      @Niko-pt9li 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@the-renegade yes

    • @the-renegade
      @the-renegade 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Niko-pt9li Seriously???

  • @moneygrab610
    @moneygrab610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Fanatiq accusing people of grandstanding while he finds every synonym for the word “because” is hilarious.

  • @rapth
    @rapth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love fanatiq he tries to stay calm so hard but when he fails its so fun to watch

  • @stupafly06
    @stupafly06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Fanatiq always interjects but just yells louder and louder and faster and faster until nobody else is talking. I remember doing that in like grade 2

    • @stupafly06
      @stupafly06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He honestly just rambles in circles while being twice as loud as anyone else and repeats himself..

  • @MexicanfNinja
    @MexicanfNinja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Pretty ironic fanatic was yelling about someone sucking up all the air in the room and taking forever

    • @midgevong41
      @midgevong41 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True but when he said that he wasn’t wrong either

    • @_soups
      @_soups 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's hypocrisy, not irony.

    • @MexicanfNinja
      @MexicanfNinja 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@_soups yes

  • @devalapar7878
    @devalapar7878 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Let's play fanatiq's game: The vaccinated person who is rejected in the hospital is not rewarded for doing the right thing.
    So the correct term is "not rewarded". Sometimes people say punished when they expect a reward but don't get it.

  • @keely-lornekirby7370
    @keely-lornekirby7370 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fanatic saying “I’ve hardly spoken” and then proceeding to never let anyone else speak for the rest of the panel 😂

  • @drueger
    @drueger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wait they absolutely do discriminate against alcoholics in organ transplant. Most times you are required to be CLEAN for so many months with periodic urinalysis to make sure that you are

    • @tarfielarchelone2674
      @tarfielarchelone2674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No save the 24 old alcoholic who destroyed his liver in two years

    • @Kris-wo4pj
      @Kris-wo4pj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup same with being obese. My grandmother had to lose over 100 lbs to get a new hip even tho she was on enough pain killers to kill a man just to sleep but they wanted to make sure she could keep the weight off to not put unnessary strain on the new hip. She lost about 150lbs got the surgery and kept it off. They dont wanna have to do another surgery on ya just cuz ya make terrible life decisions when theres people that make better life decisions who need the same thing.

  • @nolanlehman6392
    @nolanlehman6392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I lost brain cells from Fanatiq here my lord. He's worse than some trolls I've seen. When he started saying "So this is why" 50 times I did laugh but it was more out of shock he can unironically act like this and think he's being intelligent

    • @redshift912
      @redshift912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s super funny , come on ….

    • @Saint_Sigismund
      @Saint_Sigismund 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redshift912 It's funny that he's seriously doing it.

  • @twanner_
    @twanner_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It’s especially funny being that the piano is directly plugged into the audio interface lmao

  • @jamesclement8985
    @jamesclement8985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fanatiq does love to ramble. He uses 40 words where 4 will suffice. It's good to see someone call him out on it finally

  • @wairfeather972
    @wairfeather972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Punish - Treat (someone) in an unfairly harsh way
    Penalize - put in an unfavorable position or at an unfair disadvantage
    I hate when people play the dictionary game to be obtuse while ignoring every other definition that doesn’t work in their favor

  • @battlebrothertifesrolilios4423
    @battlebrothertifesrolilios4423 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Listening to a whole vc of people interact with a hypothetical like 12 year olds is perhaps one of the most infuriating experiences I’ve listened to.

  • @kamb3800
    @kamb3800 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    that babies head was 90% mush
    - studies

    • @Crispman_777
      @Crispman_777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean... it was basically what the Dr said

    • @Saint_Sigismund
      @Saint_Sigismund 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had an unborn niece who's brain/central nervous system were super fucked. Due to COVID my sister couldn't get her first ultrasound until 21 weeks. Baby Astrid looked like a god damned xenomorph. Super deformed face, no eyes, missing most of the brain... It was pretty rough, but.... thank God for abortions amiright?

    • @kamb3800
      @kamb3800 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saint_Sigismund nice

    • @Saint_Sigismund
      @Saint_Sigismund 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kamb3800 yeah, sometimes you have to abort a xenomorph. Life goes on

  • @quokolotus
    @quokolotus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The dictionary also says punish means "to treat someone in an unfair way". By this definition the old man is being treated unfairly for being old which is by no fault of his own, while the younger guy has a choice to take preventative measures. In essence he's being "punished".

  • @lourj3883
    @lourj3883 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been avoiding these long post but I'm sick working from home and now hooked 😮‍💨

  • @andrewc0134
    @andrewc0134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I previously watched this in Prime’s channel and now I’m watching it again for the piano.

    • @manroopaf2295
      @manroopaf2295 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait was destiny muted for the call when he played the piano?

    • @andrewc0134
      @andrewc0134 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@manroopaf2295 yeah

    • @manroopaf2295
      @manroopaf2295 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewc0134 damn always assumed everyone on call could hear it, way funnier that way

  • @amplifier515
    @amplifier515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A few problematic talking points I heard about patents and other countries’ medicinal procurements.
    Generic medications aren’t “knockoffs.” They contain the same therapeutic active ingredients as the brand name variant, but the non-active ingredients will vary. Think Walgreens ibuprofen vs Advil.
    Typically, a generic drug cannot be manufactured until the original patent expires. Foreign countries must respect these patent laws as part of negotiated trade deals. When TFG was working to negotiate the rebranded NAFTA, they wanted 10 years of patent protection, but the House dems struck it from the agreement to maintain the status quo of 8 years from Canada, and 5 years from Mexico. For a generic version of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to be available for sale and manufacture in Canada, that will be possible in 2028.
    It is difficult to buy the pharma industry‘a argument that renegotiation of drug prices for Americans will affect innovation when we look under the hood for what percentage of their revenue is spent on R&D vs. marketing, lobbying, C-suite exec compensation, etc.

  • @hannahhill5627
    @hannahhill5627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    As someone in the biotech research industry, every single person on this panel is talking completely out of their ass during that entire segment. Unbelievable. I’m literally just sitting here saying “that’s not true” over and over again.

    • @jav.3.air_
      @jav.3.air_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      completely agreed, ive done biomedical research and the entire conversation felt founded very basic lack of understanding

    • @jacobburr3570
      @jacobburr3570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So make it more affordable? Idk anything about this honestly, where would be a good place to research this type of information?

    • @dr.saucyproductions9111
      @dr.saucyproductions9111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I worked 2 years for an health insurance company and i completely agree they are talking st8 out their asses

    • @twocheezitz9182
      @twocheezitz9182 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I've never worked in any medical field and now seeing this comment I believe they are talking out of their ass

    • @Kris-wo4pj
      @Kris-wo4pj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I figured as much. Guess its a debate of who can sound more confident as they talk out their ass.

  • @DetectDEV_
    @DetectDEV_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hans and Steven's trolling was the best part 🤣

  • @TheJuggernaut88
    @TheJuggernaut88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you Destiny, this video was sooooo entertaining. At first I was annoyed by Fanatiq, but he's hes such a clown that his absence from the stream would not be as entertaining as it is. Also that piano piece was *chef's kiss*.

  • @Brickzot
    @Brickzot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    He’s doing like some sort of
    Fmaj7 Cmaj7 Fmaj7 Cmaj7
    pattern, but with Dmin7 Amin7 and Emin7 chords sprinkled in…sounds like some of them might be slash chords too, but hard to tell.

    • @cowyeti21
      @cowyeti21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I dont care. You know music theory is a social construct, right?

    • @AnimeFan9833
      @AnimeFan9833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cowyeti21 It do be a social construct

    • @Brickzot
      @Brickzot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cowyeti21 ur mom told me you were a social construct

    • @personalaccount6477
      @personalaccount6477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Brickzot my mom is a social construct

    • @cowyeti21
      @cowyeti21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Brickzot im not :P

  • @codeinetcetera
    @codeinetcetera 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    3:08:05 what's the name of the song he was playing, it was beautiful

    • @Alex_Johnson_
      @Alex_Johnson_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It's mainly just improv. But there's a full video of Destiny playing the piano with Albert from a few years back that's also pretty good.
      th-cam.com/video/mzjY61Vuoio/w-d-xo.html

    • @alexanderiskandar8379
      @alexanderiskandar8379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It is improv I think, it does however sound somewhat similar to Lavender by Uncle Chris, a song I know he is a big fan of

    • @AnimeFan9833
      @AnimeFan9833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Regularly doodle around on a piano, learn some scales and listen to a lot of music for a couple of months and you're gonna be able to improvise stuff like that too.

  • @jaybayer3670
    @jaybayer3670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow Fanatiq really should take a break. I get being passionate about your politics, but the anger is not healthy.

  • @swordsman111982
    @swordsman111982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The only thing more annoying that privates in the military it seems is privates outside the military.
    Combat Life Saver has the nickname in the army of Combat Life Taker. You have the extreme bare minimum medical training. And about 90% of what he says about the VA is false.

    • @Kris-wo4pj
      @Kris-wo4pj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      About to say my grandfather only uses the VA since he served in nam and the only issue he has is they wont pay for the uber nice(expensive) equipment he wants and theyre slow sometimes.

  • @whiteedgykid7307
    @whiteedgykid7307 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the content I crave. Gnomestiny making bangers

  • @ThinWhiteLuke
    @ThinWhiteLuke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I almost didn’t click on this video because I thought it was about the psychotic great reset guy. Destiny got bored and played the piano in that video too.

    • @SmallFry900
      @SmallFry900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That guy was ... something.

    • @christophergreen6595
      @christophergreen6595 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait its not? Ahhhh

    • @timmoe3370
      @timmoe3370 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That video was actually interesting lol

  • @johnluca3865
    @johnluca3865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is the beginning of the piano arc, and i must say I am excited for all the drama and betrayals

  • @tempesttossed6029
    @tempesttossed6029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    3:17:04 yup. end of debate. No one is immune to propaganda, but that doesn't make them absolved of the harm they commit.

  • @MoreMonarchy
    @MoreMonarchy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yo I just found this video again years later and once again fanatiq is giving me the most deadly metastatic cancer possible. Tumors are just appearing everywhere the more he speaks. The hans guy trolling him is the only redeeming quality

  • @Dreadnaught1985
    @Dreadnaught1985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Also, needing to bring in a non-us voice to the debate part. Where everyone circle jerks the concept that the US consumer is subsidising research for all medical care around the world. This is patently false. I know that "American exceptional-ism" means everyone in the call want s to think the US is responsible for 90% of the world medical research. Yes, US R&D is higher than the other individual countries. But it's more like 25-28% which when you're talking globally is really fucking high. But your painting it in a light that if America wasn't doing all the research, the other countries in the world wouldn't be making any advancements. And this is why you need some non-US voices in this discussion.

  • @stitchup5637
    @stitchup5637 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Does anyone have a source for this claim that Americans are being overcharged on drugs and healthcare to fund 90% of the world's medical research and development? Most of it appears to be related to investment in pharmaceuticals and not 'medical research' as a whole. Even then the highest number I could find was something like being responsible for 57% of new drugs introduced...

    • @apriljoy1094
      @apriljoy1094 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s nonsense. The issue isn’t patents but monopolies. In most countries the government negotiates medical prices and the government is the biggest monopoly. The government also has an interest in promoting profit as otherwise they have to fund research ie they act as regulators in market.
      And the US invests a lot in research per capita. They are third but due to size largest investor.
      Also it costs less to produce in some places plus transport costs differ.

    • @damedusa5107
      @damedusa5107 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ⁠@@apriljoy1094also uk is also one of the highest (3rd) overall with medical breakthroughs and papers created. Yet it’s a within a system to publicly owned healthcare. Which non of them mentioned. In fact at one point one guy said because of the rules in uk they don’t innovate drugs or research because it’s not incentivised???? Which by the evidence is actually completely false. USA definitely creates the most, but it’s only by a factor of about 3.5, yet the population is more than 3.5 bigger than the uk. So everything that’s being said here doesn’t stack up when you look at the evidence. A simple look at uk proves that. Yet no one bothered to research the first socialised medicine system in a discussion on that very topic. Ignorance or arrogance?

  • @bennymountain1
    @bennymountain1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Destiny plays piano during shouting match" right in the title? August knows what we're here for.

  • @Reese842
    @Reese842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The VA is socialized health care. The President uses it all the time for their health care.

    • @zakshah3480
      @zakshah3480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The whole debate felt like a bunch of outsiders trying to understand elements of healthcare they hadn't done any research on. Feels weird when no one can cite any evidence in these types of debates.

    • @Reese842
      @Reese842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@zakshah3480 exactly, they need to talk to any worker in a medical office that has to process claims and you get this backstage cluster fuck of our health care insurance. It's insane.

    • @ericvaldez96
      @ericvaldez96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      None of these guys have ever been in the military lmao. All AD go to MTFs for healthcare and while they have issues sometimes for the most part it works very well

    • @Reese842
      @Reese842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ericvaldez96 if properly funded, all programs work better.

  • @_The_Traveler_
    @_The_Traveler_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There's a particular moment towards the end, where Destiny hits hyperdrive, and I actually had to check to see if I had absent-mindedly sped up the video.

  • @chiarapanozzo6800
    @chiarapanozzo6800 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now I'm gonna search a playlist of you playing, it's so relaxing

  • @simj3811
    @simj3811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    why is fanatiq's mic like double the volume of the others?

  • @souljahsquad4447
    @souljahsquad4447 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Heres why that was STUPID quality of life has nothing to do with age and is completely objective. We have a qualitative standard but this is minimal because isnt the same for any 1 situation. A 24 year old quadraplegic isnt gonna have a better quality of life than a 75 year old person specifically because quality if life in medicine is how close to normal is your life going to be afterwards and even the example of a 24 year old unvaccinated person vs a 80 year old vaccinated person... its an assumption that the 24 year old wont die anyways and its highly speculative the 80 year old will..... now if you say the 80 year old has a bunch of illnesses and has a lower chance of recovery that is different but in any other medical circumstance age is NEVER a damn factor or is dead last because quality of life has nothing to do with age. i can show you a 74 year old man that is a body builder and healthier than many young people so assuming our system. Works like that is wrong and insane

  • @niclastname
    @niclastname 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He really got hung up on the "punishment" thing. 1 you could just as easily flip his argument and simply call it a reward for the 70 year old who got vaccinated, and the 30 year old just isn't getting rewarded. 2 the choice isn't about retribution, which is the important part of the definition of punishment. This would be a consequence, not a punishment. Just because it's the result of a decision or action, doesn't mean it was received out of retribution or malice.

  • @IllyaKaliyev
    @IllyaKaliyev 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Have you won the debate if there is no one who wants to debate you anymore??
    I mean that dude who was repeating the same word all the time to get his word through, holy shit what a debate bro!

  • @everynamewastakenomg
    @everynamewastakenomg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Suddenly I'm 100x more appreciative of the NHS we have in the UK.

  • @SavF
    @SavF 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This has been the funniest debate i've seen in awhile from Pianstiny.

  • @皇帝ScottYee
    @皇帝ScottYee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think The Sprouticus is missing a few brain cells.

    • @mechanomics2649
      @mechanomics2649 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A few? I think he's missing all of the brain cells.