Now... that's straight out of the left field! Looks like a winner as well. Very enjoyable review, Adam, and kudos to Heidi for tracking it during the filming.
As I stated, months ago... You are a great Ambassador for Horizon Hobby. And our Hobby ! Excellent video. Kudos to your camera crew. Mrs. Heidi does professional video. Thank you !! Your friend in Crosby, Texas
@@GBLynden Me too. Whenever there's a new release I go to his page now to see if they (remember, there's 2 that make this all happen) have come out with a review. His review is so honest and clear. I just don't go to those others anymore - their 'enthusiasm' just doesn't connect anymore. Keep up the fantastic offering. Peter
Awesome video and review! When I was working in Everett, Washington several years ago there was a company building flyable reproduction ME-262 jets and when we would take off south out of KPAE, we could see the jets outside of the hangar sometimes. The company is called Me 262 project. Well anyways, I ordered one today because this is my all time favorite jet! Thanks for the video!
Been flying nothing but 80-90 sized EDF’s this review has me wanting a smaller one to fly at my home. Love the ME262 looks iconic great video as always
What an excellent review! A professional, as always. :) And thanks for all the specifics on the weights, including the LG weight. I’ll be flying this jewel in the sub 250 mode and your details are a big help!
What a cool plane and piece of history they brought back to life in RC form. The metallurgy of the hot sections was so poor back then, they had to change it out every 15 hours of flight time. Crazy!
Just wanted to say this is a very well-produced channel and I appreciate the extent of the experience you bring to your subject. Great presenting style and depth of knowledge
Excellent little UMX, perfectly demonstrated, as usual, Adam! Feels like I need to have one... Good that you didn't run into that mushroom on the belly landing 😁, even though Mario would have done just this to earn a 1000 extra points. 😂
I do like the look of this Me 262, and I can see that it flies well and that you loved flying it Adam!! I might have to think about getting this one!! Great review both 😀👍
Wow . . . I just had a chance to see Walter Nowotny put an Me 262 through it's paces - and it was great. Very good flight and demo - including Heidi's part. That was interesting about how they made the panel lines smooth to enhance the speed. This is a great looking UMX and it seems to really fly well - and you certainly made some very beautiful landings with her. I don't usually enjoy the high pitch whine of little EDFs - but I feel like I want to give this a try! Thanks.
@@ModelAV8RChannel OOOOOOPS ! I am sorry my comments were misleading. I was talking / joking about seeing YOU fly the Me 262. Walter Nowotny was an actual German ace who flew mostly Fw 190s and late in the war - the 262. In fact, he was the CO of "Kommando Nowotny" the world's first jet fighter unit. He claimed 258 victories - but once he began flying the 262 - he didn't last very long. Adolf Galland was visiting his base on Nov. 8, 1944. They heard 'Nowi' tell of some kind of trouble over the radio - then they saw his plane come down out of the clouds going straight down. The crash resulted in TOTAL destruction.
Ahh, Lol, Ok. Thanks for the history lesson...I've learned a lot over the last few days because of this 262! I've read that most of the early jets were risky assignments.
What a great video to watch on the big screen and so packed with helpful info, thank you! I always hoped Eachine would figure out a way to include the Me262 in their 400mm Warbird collection, I have all 15 of them and couldn't think of a better #16 than the Me262. I will definitely be picking this up when its in stock. I wish the landing gear was retractable, would've happily paid a little extra for that but still, what a great looking and flying plane that's small yet sizey too.
What a kick butt little plane... Looks like a solid flyer. Great review and really appreciate your format for these reviews.. Love the UMX, but would like to see HH make some bigger 1.2M version... (with retracts.....)
Some of the noises at low throttle are horrible but everything else, at least with the gear off, looks fantastic. IMHO, the Me262 is one of the most beautiful airframe shapes ever made.
Hey man! Yep...actually the bonus footage is with the 850 ( forgot about that and should have put that in the vid dangit). The performance is similar and it gets you some more flight time. Probably makes a difference in the slow flight but its hard to tell looking at it. Really close.
Yes sir...you're gonna love it man. The old under powered UMX Mig 15 has always been my fav UMX EDF. Just holds a special place in my heart. Now...I think this one is. Just as easy to fly, but with actual power, lol.
Another flawlessly flown & filmed informative review. I'd really like to know how you feel this flyer performs in comparison to the UMX A-10, a favorite of mine. At rate these releases are taking place, a 4S Micro Super Timber may not be very far off.
What a awesome looking jet. Just love it. I had a question sir. I know you like the hrb batteries I too as well, but ovonic batteries witch are awesome offers a 3s 850 mah battery with a xt 30 connector for half the price. To your knowledge does a xt 30 fit into a ec 2 connector. I know a xt 60 fits a ec3 connector. I don't have any experience with a ec2 battery. Do you?. Lol. By the way, your camera crew is the best out there, by far. She never has a bad day filming. Thank you.
It really is, and flies as good as it looks. Honestly, I don't know, but you can for sure solder some EC2's on to those Ovonics...or maybe find a XT30 to EC2 adapter on Amazon. Yes sir...Heidi is on point!
Great information, Adam. Mine arrived yesterday from HH. I immediately cut off the IC2 connector and soldered on an EC2 male. I will be using Gens Ace 800 3s batts exclusively (4). Then 2 coats of satin Polyacrylic to preserve the awesome paint and decals long term. After binding and verifying controls, off came the gear. It will be hand launches and belling landings on short grass for me. Also made a canopy pull with scotch tape to make opening the canopy much easier. Why E-Flite/HH didn't attach one from the Chinese factory is beyond me! Thanks again for your solid no BS reviews, maidens, and valuable info as usual.
Well that didn't go well at all, the maiden. 1st two hand launches seem to exhibited tail heavy behavior and stalled/didn't get far at all, and I did check CG by the book. 3rd launch after moving the batt 1/2" forward was better, got prob 25' before it went into the ground nose first. Crushed the fuse nose a bit and popped off the canopy. I'm going to hit it with boiling water to straighten the fuse out, worked really well b4 for me. Not terribly crushed tho. Adam, you make it look so easy, I'm scratching my head. It def didn't seem like a rocket on the pitch, seemed underpowered @ full throttle and struggling on launch. I successfully hand launch my V900, Conscendo, and UMX air tractor and Timber. Every time. The 2 UMX are a piece of cake. I don't know, rather disappointed right now.
I wish I saw your comment and replied before you went out. So...several things got my attention. First...if a plane has gear...use it on the maiden. That way you can get a more controlled takeoff and get it trimmed before you try a more critical hand launch. Second thing is you have to be very careful adding clear to a UMX. These are very light, small airplanes. We have seen inconsistencies in the balance point of fully painted UMX planes...the UMX Waco comes to mind. The yellow painted version is heavier, and can at times be more tail heavy than the plain unpainted white version. All it takes is for the paint to be sprayed a touch too thick on the tail...and there you go. Grams count at this size. Never add weight if you can help it. You added two coats of poly...which is heavy. Two coats on the tail can make it tail heavy. Sometimes even on park flyers this can happen...some of the old E-Flite Stearmans were tail heavier than others because of this. On a UMX it is more prevalent. I would just say be careful handling it if you want to preserve the finish, but don't add clear/weight to a UMX. I know it doesn't seem like a lot of weight, but again...grams count at this size. The only other things I'd add is make really sure the elevator is centered. It's hard to see a fraction up or down, but that makes a difference. Also when launching in SAFE...it adds up elevator for you (launch mode). You have to quickly flip it out of SAFE once its away from you and you get both your hands on the TX. If you leave it in SAFE, the up elevator stays until you flip it out...and you have limited throw/control. Hope this helps man...
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thx for the input, Adam. Maybe those 2 coats of clear are the core problem. Combined with the heavier 800 mah batts vs the 600. All I know is it sucked big time this morning!
Yeah man start with your battery forward and put the gear on to get it tuned first. Keep in mind when you take the gear off and hand launch that SAFE goes into launch mode automatically...and stays there adding up elevator for you until you flip the switch. Once you flip it into AS3X mode, if you flip into SAFE after that it will be normal SAFE mode.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Yeah I just put the gear back on and adjusted the rudder and front wheel to perfection. That is the smallest allen wrench I have ever seen! I own quite a few but nothing that small. I also weighed the Gens Ace 800 mah batt = 67 grams with velcro attached. The spektrum 600 is 55 grams per its specs. The spekt 850 has to be > 67 grams. I'm gonna give it my best shot on the gear and a field of super short cut of bermuda grass. This is my last small or umx size edf period. Too much BS, too small/difficult to work on, not enough power. I can't image trying to replace a servo on this thing. I invested prob $360 with the 4 batts and the EC2 terminals and the plane. Maybe I screwed the pooch with the polyacrylic, I brushed it on thin, not sprayed, 2 coats but none on the bottom surfaces. I purchased it BC I dig the original German Me 262 jet, and somebody said the Eflite fans sounded really nice screaming at full speed. And your review of course.
Definitely gonna have to pick one up but wish they would make a v2 of the Umx gee bee which I would of loved to of used one but haven't found non for sale yet.
Did you do any mechanical adjustments on the control surfaces for trim ? And is the new umx me 262 easier to fly and easier to land then the umx f-86 sabre ?
Hmmm...over 250g with the 850...And so as you mentioned it can be RID compliant. But you'd need to add an RID module with the 850mAh, adding to the weight and reducing flight time unless you fly in a FRIA. Is there room in the battery compartment? Not sure I agree with the $200 price tag without flaps and no LED lights. I don't know if flaps are scale or not but I'd rather have them. Maybe $170 like most of the UMX line. Did you try taking off on the grass without the landing gear? It seemed to slide very well landing. I'm sure it would take a lot to get up.
Actually yes there is room for a RID module, and I think you could use one of the open plugs on the board to power it. The Spektrum only weighs a few grams. The price tag is what it is for good reasons, and there is some interaction with another commenter where I give the details if you'd like to look at the comments and read all that. I didn't try a takeoff from the nacelles. Not really a reason to as its very easy to hand launch...which minimizes the wear on the skid plates.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks. I read that at the bottom of the comments. It would be worth pinning it. Still, $199 for no LEDs or flaps is my deal-breaker. LEDs don't cost much and add a ton. Maybe skip the flaps but still they would be huge for me at little cost.
The thing is...it actually needed to be a bit more than they decided on, but they tried to keep it from being more than 200 no matter what. I hear folks say what you said about LED's so often and they are missing the point. Based on the comment you read - it isn't that the LED's cost much...you're right, they don't. It is about the labor to pay for the extra time in CAD to design the additional lenses and wire channels as well as the additional labor involved in installing all that on every model by hand at the factory level...that is expensive. So something you're assuming would cost less than a dollar a plane would actually be as much as $20 additional per plane when it's all said and done...and you're already complaining about the price. To add flaps...same story. Anytime you add anything...same story. We have to remember man...these product developers are modellers just like us. The are as passionate as we are...more so I'd say. They do this work 24/7, year after year, while listening to people complain about their efforts and they keep on doing it. They'd love every single feature on every single plane while magically keeping them light and at a price that is cheap as much as we would love that. The difference is they have a budget, timeline, and deadlines to adhere to. They are aware of everything it takes and how much that costs to get a plane done. So would lights and flaps be awesome on this little jet...sure, but then it would be heavier, have more failure points, and cost $240...and people would still complain. My hope is that I can help educate the community on how some of this works so they have realistic expectations when I have the chance. You and the other gentleman are willing to have a conversation rather than just be a troll about it, and I appreciate that...so I put in the effort to reciprocate, and hopefully educate. So on a large, scale, more "full house" model...you can get almost everything as far as features on some of them because you can charge enough for it to cover that. On smaller planes...compromises have to be made. That is just the way it is.
Adam, just saw that the IC2 connector is not compatible with their old EC2 connectors. Trie it with EC2 equipped battery, and it won't allow you to force them to the ESC;s IC2 Male in the plane.
Interesting, the ones I have (EC2's) will plug in. Can you file them a bit so they fit? If not you can solder on a EC2 male to the ESC, or get an adapter.
@ModelAV8RChannel indeed, sir , you know me well, but I might make an exception here, and I might.....just might get me one of these.......thanks for the great review and flying demo Adam.
Lol, I think that may have been more the launch and less the mode. It works well, but isn't magic. If you throw it too soft or at the wrong angle...or a bit of both, it can't always save it.
I'm really confused how this thing is 3 ounces or 44% heavier than the A-10 with the same battery and power system. It's only slightly larger, so where is all that extra weight coming from!?
Well, you have to define "slightly". I'd say its a good bit larger than the A-10. Wingspan doesn't really tell you everything you need to know about a models size. An example are two of my bigger planes. I have a 91" Carbon Cub and a 85" Edge 540. Sounds like the Cub is bigger right? Not really...the Edge is much bigger due to the kind of plane it is and the scale. The Cub is 13 1/2 lbs, and the Edge is 17 3/4 lbs. So with the two jets, lets look at the full scale specs to put the models in perspective. The 262 had a wingspan of 41 ft. The A-10 is a much larger plane with a 57 ft wingspan. The UMX A-10 has a 22 in wingspan and the UMX 262 has a 26 in wingspan. 4 inches doesn't sound like much, and if we were talking planes with 50 and 54 in wingspans it wouldn't be, but these are much smaller, and every inch counts. Thinking about the scale puts the difference in perspective. A 26 in span model of a 41 ft span plane is a good bit larger than a 22 in span model of a 57 ft span plane. The UMX 262's fuse, wings, and tail are all thicker than the A-10's. The nacelles are bigger and longer. It is bigger in every dimension, not just wingspan...because it is a smaller full scale plane modeled in a larger scale.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Makes sense, but that's still a lot of airframe weight for a UMX, even if it's at the larger end. I mean, the thing weighs more than the 31" micro Draco on 4s!
Hard to know what is a lot of airframe weight for a UMX. Which era? Over the years they have gotten more detailed and more powerful...so they have gotten bigger/heavier. 14 years ago UMX's weighed 3oz and were 1s. A few years after they came out with a few that were 4 to 5oz on 2s. Then a couple of years ago 6 to 6 1/2 oz on 3s. Now with RID and a weight limit to aim for some UMX's/Micros are getting bigger and more powerful again...which has been a natural progression since the start of ultra micros anyway. As the power and capability has increased...the airframes have become more ridged to be able to handle the extra power. There's more foam there and sometimes carbon reinforcement because there needs to be. This is something they failed at originally with the UMX A-10...which is why the fuse's were breaking on belly landings. When Draco came out it was the heaviest yet by a lot...never seen anything like it, and folks sounded the "Its too heavy" alarm...worked out fine. Awesome flying plane. BTW...yes its on 4s...a tiny 4s that weighs half what the big 3s in the 262 weighs. EDF's are built different and comparing them to a bush plane is a stretch. Anyway, don't get fixated on what you think UMX means...it changes, and it always has. So is the 262 the heaviest yet now...yeah, and it works out fine, just like the Draco did. Bottom line on the 262...its a big UMX twin EDF, looks awesome, flies awesome. I can't imagine what matters more than that.
Brother it's 2024. The very first UMX EDF was a 2s powered Mig 15 that barely had enough power to get out of its own way. That was 12 years ago, and it sold for $149. 12 years ago a loaded pickup truck was 35k...that truck today is 70k. I'm not sure what you expect, but really nice, detailed, brushless powered UMX planes never cost $100. The UMX planes that were that price were 1s, brushed pager motors with a gearbox. Yes, some park flyers are cheap, but those are older planes or new revisions of older planes that use tooling/molds that were paid for years ago. A new mold today is guess what...yep...twice what it cost a decade ago. This 262 is a brand new, all new mold plane. If you want to see what kind of ultra micro $100 gets you today...go to Amazon and look up Volantex rc. Then think about how much better this looks than all of those cheap, brushed motor POS's.
@ModelAV8RChannel I get what you're saying. But I don't see how this umx is same price as the 50mm habu. That has a full range reciever, 30am esc, better servos. Parts that u can at least move into another plane if u wreck it. What's next a umx that's $500? Where can the line be drawn on the cost.
Man I understand your concerns. The 50mm Habu has been out a while. The mold was less expensive back then, and it has paid for itself already. Interestingly enough the labor cost is the same...smaller planes, but more tedious to work on/produce with a UMX. The advantage is they are RID exempt. I don't think we're going to see a $500 UMX in my lifetime. I hope not...if so a truck will be 300K lol.
@@ModelAV8RChannel inflation is crazy. Hahaha . But horizon does push the cost of these umx planes up there. I mean they are using the same board from the umx a10 and same 1 dollar linear servos they sell for 20 dollar each. I understand profit and margins. But I think they can afford to take it down a notch.
Man, so many folks don't have any idea what goes into bringing a model to market, so the time and money it takes isn't something they are familiar with. I understand that. Let me try to explain/educate you so you have more context. It isn't about the electronics. It is the designing and making of the tooling (the mold for the foam) that is the biggest expense. It is a two to three year process from idea to market. First, it has to be designed in CAD, that takes more hours than you can imagine...they gotta pay for that. Then, a CNC model has to be built in China, Vietnam, Taiwan (or wherever the particular model is going to be made) as a proof of concept based on that design. That takes more time...they gotta pay for that. Then, that rough model comes to the states and the folks at HH test it extensively to see how it flies based on what they are shooting for. That takes more time as they get several hands on the controls so a democratic decision can be made about it, and yep, you guessed it..they gotta pay for that. Then, if there are issues and it doesn't fly the way they wanted for some reason, back to CAD to redesign whatever needs to be changed to get it right. They gotta pay for that. Then, another revised CNC model has to be made, sent to the states, and tested all over again to make sure the changes work as they think they will...yepper...they gotta pay for all of that. So, they are a sh#t ton of money in already...and now it is ready for tooling...for the mold to be made that will render the planes we buy. I'm not at liberty to give exact figures, but let's just say the tooling to make a mold for a plane the size of the UMX 262 costs many thousands of dollars. Larger planes/molds cost MUCH more. They gotta pay for that. The mold gets made and they make a sample plane. That gets sent to the states and extensively tested. Anything that is wrong (with the finer details at this point) they kick it back, give new direction, and the factory cranks out a few samples for testing...again. All that...they gotta pay for. Finally, after even more direction on the finer details...the factory makes several production samples to be sent for testing and final approval (often those are the planes we reviewers get after they have tested them). They gotta pay for that. If all goes well...production starts. So, dozens of people with tons of hours of work, materials, shipping, and the huge cost of the mold is how far they are in the hole before they ever sell a single plane. Guess what ...WE gotta pay for that, and all that costs more in 2024 than it ever has before.
Love your vids thanks for sharing But the new umx in not micro and its pricey no light or flaps for that price yo horizon brings back the cessna citation V2 4s or f4,f5, f14,f15,f18,f35, f111, f117 euro fighter, mirage, j10b, A4, rafale su17, bronco, airlines jus a suggestion
German's were never known to make sexy looking planes. Other then the Focke-Wulf Fw 190, their bombers and other planes were God awful ugly. The Stuka was ugly, but was a deadly dive bomber. Awesome scale creation. Love their UMX's. They need to make more WW2 planes. Hurricane & Spitfire would make me get both. I'm sure more are on the works. Edge 540 3D UMX would be great as well.
Now... that's straight out of the left field! Looks like a winner as well. Very enjoyable review, Adam, and kudos to Heidi for tracking it during the filming.
It is Gina! I knew no one would see this one coming. Thanks very much ma'am!
As I stated, months ago...
You are a great Ambassador for Horizon Hobby. And our Hobby ! Excellent video.
Kudos to your camera crew.
Mrs. Heidi does professional video. Thank you !!
Your friend in Crosby, Texas
I agree 💯! 👊🏻💥👊🏻
@@GBLynden Me too. Whenever there's a new release I go to his page now to see if they (remember, there's 2 that make this all happen) have come out with a review. His review is so honest and clear. I just don't go to those others anymore - their 'enthusiasm' just doesn't connect anymore. Keep up the fantastic offering. Peter
Dan, GB, Peter...thanks very much gentlemen. That means the world to me. Heidi and I appreciate you all!
Awesome video and review! When I was working in Everett, Washington several years ago there was a company building flyable reproduction ME-262 jets and when we would take off south out of KPAE, we could see the jets outside of the hangar sometimes. The company is called Me 262 project. Well anyways, I ordered one today because this is my all time favorite jet! Thanks for the video!
Thanks very much! Had to be cool seeing the genuine article...even reproductions. Such a cool airplane!
Been flying nothing but 80-90 sized EDF’s this review has me wanting a smaller one to fly at my home. Love the ME262 looks iconic great video as always
Thanks very much Bill! Great lil jet!
What an excellent review! A professional, as always. :) And thanks for all the specifics on the weights, including the LG weight. I’ll be flying this jewel in the sub 250 mode and your details are a big help!
Thanks very much! Glad it is helpful!
What a cool plane and piece of history they brought back to life in RC form. The metallurgy of the hot sections was so poor back then, they had to change it out every 15 hours of flight time. Crazy!
It is!
Just wanted to say this is a very well-produced channel and I appreciate the extent of the experience you bring to your subject. Great presenting style and depth of knowledge
Thanks very much, we really appreciate that!
Thanks for a great review Adam.....looks like another winner 😁
Now......just wish they'd redo the Mosquito.... here's hoping.
Thanks man! You and me both...I'd love a UMX Mossie.
That would be a great 3S twin. As would a P-38 Lighting!
Excellent little UMX, perfectly demonstrated, as usual, Adam! Feels like I need to have one...
Good that you didn't run into that mushroom on the belly landing 😁, even though Mario would have done just this to earn a 1000 extra points. 😂
Thanks very much man! Lol, yep I barely missed it!
Very well done Adam. The camera crew gets top marks for smooth tracking of a quick plane.💥
Thanks Mike!
I do like the look of this Me 262, and I can see that it flies well and that you loved flying it Adam!! I might have to think about getting this one!! Great review both 😀👍
Thanks Ian! It is a great flyer!
Just ordered mine Adam here in uk ment to have it around 8th august so little time to wait but can’t wait to see it
Awesome man, enjoy it! Really a great flyer.
Such a great innovative release Adam. Beautifully filmed & so well presented. Now…. Will it handle an on board camera🤪😜🪃🇦🇺🦘
Thanks Noel! I bet I know a fella that will find out...
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Wow . . . I just had a chance to see Walter Nowotny put an Me 262 through it's paces - and it was great. Very good flight and demo - including Heidi's part. That was interesting about how they made the panel lines smooth to enhance the speed. This is a great looking UMX and it seems to really fly well - and you certainly made some very beautiful landings with her. I don't usually enjoy the high pitch whine of little EDFs - but I feel like I want to give this a try! Thanks.
Thanks very much! Man I bet seeing an actual 262 was awesome. This one is great, such a honest airframe.
@@ModelAV8RChannel OOOOOOPS ! I am sorry my comments were misleading. I was talking / joking about seeing YOU fly the Me 262. Walter Nowotny was an actual German ace who flew mostly Fw 190s and late in the war - the 262. In fact, he was the CO of "Kommando Nowotny" the world's first jet fighter unit. He claimed 258 victories - but once he began flying the 262 - he didn't last very long. Adolf Galland was visiting his base on Nov. 8, 1944. They heard 'Nowi' tell of some kind of trouble over the radio - then they saw his plane come down out of the clouds going straight down. The crash resulted in TOTAL destruction.
Ahh, Lol, Ok. Thanks for the history lesson...I've learned a lot over the last few days because of this 262! I've read that most of the early jets were risky assignments.
Totally awesome explanation on why not to use the Jst connectors with this twin 30 mm plane.Over all great video
Thanks Tug!
As soon as they bring out the UMX FW-190D-9 I'll get them both! Very cool and great presentation!
Oh man. That would be too sexy!
Thanks very much!
What a great video to watch on the big screen and so packed with helpful info, thank you! I always hoped Eachine would figure out a way to include the Me262 in their 400mm Warbird collection, I have all 15 of them and couldn't think of a better #16 than the Me262. I will definitely be picking this up when its in stock. I wish the landing gear was retractable, would've happily paid a little extra for that but still, what a great looking and flying plane that's small yet sizey too.
I agree great airplane!
Looks great. Which is faster, this with the twin 30mm fans, or the 4s powered f86?
Another great video Adam, looks like it flies well.
Thanks Chris, it does!
What a kick butt little plane... Looks like a solid flyer. Great review and really appreciate your format for these reviews.. Love the UMX, but would like to see HH make some bigger 1.2M version... (with retracts.....)
It is Will, thanks man. Yeah sometimes a UMX is just the start...you never know.
Some of the noises at low throttle are horrible but everything else, at least with the gear off, looks fantastic. IMHO, the Me262 is one of the most beautiful airframe shapes ever made.
This one is really well done. Yeah the super low throttle noise is interesting, but smooths out.
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I love this release and cannot wait to get my hands on one! My only question is have you flown it with the 850 packs without the landing gear yet?
Hey man! Yep...actually the bonus footage is with the 850 ( forgot about that and should have put that in the vid dangit). The performance is similar and it gets you some more flight time. Probably makes a difference in the slow flight but its hard to tell looking at it. Really close.
@@ModelAV8RChannelPerfect! That is what I was hoping to read 👊🏻💥👊🏻
Yes sir...you're gonna love it man. The old under powered UMX Mig 15 has always been my fav UMX EDF. Just holds a special place in my heart. Now...I think this one is. Just as easy to fly, but with actual power, lol.
Wish they would do a Umx He-162 that would be incredible!
That would be extremly cool for sure
They may, ya never know!
I can only imagine a 700mm version with a 40mm EDF..... epic stuff!
Another flawlessly flown & filmed informative review. I'd really like to know how you feel this flyer performs in comparison to the UMX A-10, a favorite of mine.
At rate these releases are taking place, a 4S Micro Super Timber may not be very far off.
Thanks man! I actually like this one more. Bigger, I think it flies slightly better, and the speed and climb rate are right there. Finish is awesome.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Agreed, it's absolutely beautiful. Guess my last pre-purchase question would be, is it 4S capable?
Ohh Adam you did it again I want it lol its must have lol good video and review😊😊😊😊
Ha ha! Thanks Frank! It is a great one...I think my fav UMX EDF so far!
What a awesome looking jet. Just love it. I had a question sir. I know you like the hrb batteries I too as well, but ovonic batteries witch are awesome offers a 3s 850 mah battery with a xt 30 connector for half the price. To your knowledge does a xt 30 fit into a ec 2 connector. I know a xt 60 fits a ec3 connector. I don't have any experience with a ec2 battery. Do you?. Lol. By the way, your camera crew is the best out there, by far. She never has a bad day filming. Thank you.
It really is, and flies as good as it looks. Honestly, I don't know, but you can for sure solder some EC2's on to those Ovonics...or maybe find a XT30 to EC2 adapter on Amazon. Yes sir...Heidi is on point!
Awesome... just when i tell myself no more 😂 Looks way better mannered on landings than the F-86!
Lol, I know what you mean! It is easier to land than the F-86.
nice details...looks nice ....
Great information, Adam. Mine arrived yesterday from HH. I immediately cut off the IC2 connector and soldered on an EC2 male. I will be using Gens Ace 800 3s batts exclusively (4). Then 2 coats of satin Polyacrylic to preserve the awesome paint and decals long term. After binding and verifying controls, off came the gear. It will be hand launches and belling landings on short grass for me. Also made a canopy pull with scotch tape to make opening the canopy much easier. Why E-Flite/HH didn't attach one from the Chinese factory is beyond me! Thanks again for your solid no BS reviews, maidens, and valuable info as usual.
Well that didn't go well at all, the maiden. 1st two hand launches seem to exhibited tail heavy behavior and stalled/didn't get far at all, and I did check CG by the book. 3rd launch after moving the batt 1/2" forward was better, got prob 25' before it went into the ground nose first. Crushed the fuse nose a bit and popped off the canopy. I'm going to hit it with boiling water to straighten the fuse out, worked really well b4 for me. Not terribly crushed tho. Adam, you make it look so easy, I'm scratching my head. It def didn't seem like a rocket on the pitch, seemed underpowered @ full throttle and struggling on launch. I successfully hand launch my V900, Conscendo, and UMX air tractor and Timber. Every time. The 2 UMX are a piece of cake. I don't know, rather disappointed right now.
I wish I saw your comment and replied before you went out. So...several things got my attention. First...if a plane has gear...use it on the maiden. That way you can get a more controlled takeoff and get it trimmed before you try a more critical hand launch. Second thing is you have to be very careful adding clear to a UMX. These are very light, small airplanes. We have seen inconsistencies in the balance point of fully painted UMX planes...the UMX Waco comes to mind. The yellow painted version is heavier, and can at times be more tail heavy than the plain unpainted white version. All it takes is for the paint to be sprayed a touch too thick on the tail...and there you go. Grams count at this size. Never add weight if you can help it. You added two coats of poly...which is heavy. Two coats on the tail can make it tail heavy. Sometimes even on park flyers this can happen...some of the old E-Flite Stearmans were tail heavier than others because of this. On a UMX it is more prevalent. I would just say be careful handling it if you want to preserve the finish, but don't add clear/weight to a UMX. I know it doesn't seem like a lot of weight, but again...grams count at this size. The only other things I'd add is make really sure the elevator is centered. It's hard to see a fraction up or down, but that makes a difference. Also when launching in SAFE...it adds up elevator for you (launch mode). You have to quickly flip it out of SAFE once its away from you and you get both your hands on the TX. If you leave it in SAFE, the up elevator stays until you flip it out...and you have limited throw/control. Hope this helps man...
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thx for the input, Adam. Maybe those 2 coats of clear are the core problem. Combined with the heavier 800 mah batts vs the 600. All I know is it sucked big time this morning!
Yeah man start with your battery forward and put the gear on to get it tuned first. Keep in mind when you take the gear off and hand launch that SAFE goes into launch mode automatically...and stays there adding up elevator for you until you flip the switch. Once you flip it into AS3X mode, if you flip into SAFE after that it will be normal SAFE mode.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Yeah I just put the gear back on and adjusted the rudder and front wheel to perfection. That is the smallest allen wrench I have ever seen! I own quite a few but nothing that small. I also weighed the Gens Ace 800 mah batt = 67 grams with velcro attached. The spektrum 600 is 55 grams per its specs. The spekt 850 has to be > 67 grams. I'm gonna give it my best shot on the gear and a field of super short cut of bermuda grass. This is my last small or umx size edf period. Too much BS, too small/difficult to work on, not enough power. I can't image trying to replace a servo on this thing. I invested prob $360 with the 4 batts and the EC2 terminals and the plane. Maybe I screwed the pooch with the polyacrylic, I brushed it on thin, not sprayed, 2 coats but none on the bottom surfaces. I purchased it BC I dig the original German Me 262 jet, and somebody said the Eflite fans sounded really nice screaming at full speed. And your review of course.
Definitely gonna have to pick one up but wish they would make a v2 of the Umx gee bee which I would of loved to of used one but haven't found non for sale yet.
Great plane...so is the Gee Bee!
Did you do any mechanical adjustments on the control surfaces for trim ? And is the new umx me 262 easier to fly and easier to land then the umx f-86 sabre ?
No mechanical adjustments, stock throws. It is easier to fly than the F-86, and easier to land.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thank you very much ! I apreaciate it. Greetings from Austria
One question, will you make a video where you explain how to update NX radios with the new firmware to take advantage of the new as3x plus version?
I have to do it myself, we'll see what we can do.
Adam fantastic review, Heidi amazing video zoom zoom zoom Jeff in LA USA
Thanks Jeff!
Hmmm...over 250g with the 850...And so as you mentioned it can be RID compliant. But you'd need to add an RID module with the 850mAh, adding to the weight and reducing flight time unless you fly in a FRIA. Is there room in the battery compartment?
Not sure I agree with the $200 price tag without flaps and no LED lights. I don't know if flaps are scale or not but I'd rather have them. Maybe $170 like most of the UMX line.
Did you try taking off on the grass without the landing gear? It seemed to slide very well landing. I'm sure it would take a lot to get up.
Actually yes there is room for a RID module, and I think you could use one of the open plugs on the board to power it. The Spektrum only weighs a few grams. The price tag is what it is for good reasons, and there is some interaction with another commenter where I give the details if you'd like to look at the comments and read all that. I didn't try a takeoff from the nacelles. Not really a reason to as its very easy to hand launch...which minimizes the wear on the skid plates.
@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks. I read that at the bottom of the comments. It would be worth pinning it. Still, $199 for no LEDs or flaps is my deal-breaker. LEDs don't cost much and add a ton. Maybe skip the flaps but still they would be huge for me at little cost.
The thing is...it actually needed to be a bit more than they decided on, but they tried to keep it from being more than 200 no matter what. I hear folks say what you said about LED's so often and they are missing the point. Based on the comment you read - it isn't that the LED's cost much...you're right, they don't. It is about the labor to pay for the extra time in CAD to design the additional lenses and wire channels as well as the additional labor involved in installing all that on every model by hand at the factory level...that is expensive. So something you're assuming would cost less than a dollar a plane would actually be as much as $20 additional per plane when it's all said and done...and you're already complaining about the price. To add flaps...same story. Anytime you add anything...same story.
We have to remember man...these product developers are modellers just like us. The are as passionate as we are...more so I'd say. They do this work 24/7, year after year, while listening to people complain about their efforts and they keep on doing it. They'd love every single feature on every single plane while magically keeping them light and at a price that is cheap as much as we would love that. The difference is they have a budget, timeline, and deadlines to adhere to. They are aware of everything it takes and how much that costs to get a plane done. So would lights and flaps be awesome on this little jet...sure, but then it would be heavier, have more failure points, and cost $240...and people would still complain. My hope is that I can help educate the community on how some of this works so they have realistic expectations when I have the chance. You and the other gentleman are willing to have a conversation rather than just be a troll about it, and I appreciate that...so I put in the effort to reciprocate, and hopefully educate. So on a large, scale, more "full house" model...you can get almost everything as far as features on some of them because you can charge enough for it to cover that. On smaller planes...compromises have to be made. That is just the way it is.
I really, really like the IC2 connectors, so much better than the JST/PH connectors.
Definitely better with higher amps.
How does it compare to the Eflite UMX A10? I really like the way the A10 flys.
Performance is similar, but I think this one actually flies better, and it carries more momentum...which for certain maneuvers is an advantage.
How does it compare to the UMX A-10 as far as speed and ease of flying?
Actually as easy to fly, but better in my opinion. Speed is similar, but the 262 has more momentum.
Duuuuudddee!!!!!!!!
Bro. BRRRROOOOOOO!! Yes...you need one...or two actually, lol.
@@ModelAV8RChannel you know it! #duh lolol
Adam, just saw that the IC2 connector is not compatible with their old EC2 connectors. Trie it with EC2 equipped battery, and it won't allow you to force them to the ESC;s IC2 Male in the plane.
Interesting, the ones I have (EC2's) will plug in. Can you file them a bit so they fit? If not you can solder on a EC2 male to the ESC, or get an adapter.
If they can make Me 262 i hope they make the horton 229 flying wing it used the same engines as the 262
Interesting subject there.
Is it possible to replace it with a 4s battery and match it with a 4s edf?
Anything is possible if you're a good modeler, but why do that? Plenty fast as it is.
@@ModelAV8RChannel just want it faster 😂also i have a A10，i don’t want it as fast as A10
Good quality informative, review, Adam, ......you know whats coming next......but I am not going to say it....😢😢i😢😢😢😢
Ha ha! Thanks Martyn! Yes, I know...you ADORE linear servos and wish they made bigger ones for all your airplanes!
@ModelAV8RChannel indeed, sir , you know me well, but I might make an exception here, and I might.....just might get me one of these.......thanks for the great review and flying demo Adam.
Lol...knew you'd get a kick out of that. Thanks man...you might like it as much as your Draco...
JABOOOO!
That launch mode is a little too strong😂 Hand launched mine and the launch mode stalled it right out
Lol, I think that may have been more the launch and less the mode. It works well, but isn't magic. If you throw it too soft or at the wrong angle...or a bit of both, it can't always save it.
Thanks for the tip! Will try to improve my hand launching as I don’t have a runway to take off from nor nice short grass☹️
I'm really confused how this thing is 3 ounces or 44% heavier than the A-10 with the same battery and power system. It's only slightly larger, so where is all that extra weight coming from!?
Well, you have to define "slightly". I'd say its a good bit larger than the A-10. Wingspan doesn't really tell you everything you need to know about a models size. An example are two of my bigger planes. I have a 91" Carbon Cub and a 85" Edge 540. Sounds like the Cub is bigger right? Not really...the Edge is much bigger due to the kind of plane it is and the scale. The Cub is 13 1/2 lbs, and the Edge is 17 3/4 lbs.
So with the two jets, lets look at the full scale specs to put the models in perspective. The 262 had a wingspan of 41 ft. The A-10 is a much larger plane with a 57 ft wingspan. The UMX A-10 has a 22 in wingspan and the UMX 262 has a 26 in wingspan. 4 inches doesn't sound like much, and if we were talking planes with 50 and 54 in wingspans it wouldn't be, but these are much smaller, and every inch counts. Thinking about the scale puts the difference in perspective. A 26 in span model of a 41 ft span plane is a good bit larger than a 22 in span model of a 57 ft span plane. The UMX 262's fuse, wings, and tail are all thicker than the A-10's. The nacelles are bigger and longer. It is bigger in every dimension, not just wingspan...because it is a smaller full scale plane modeled in a larger scale.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Makes sense, but that's still a lot of airframe weight for a UMX, even if it's at the larger end. I mean, the thing weighs more than the 31" micro Draco on 4s!
Hard to know what is a lot of airframe weight for a UMX. Which era? Over the years they have gotten more detailed and more powerful...so they have gotten bigger/heavier. 14 years ago UMX's weighed 3oz and were 1s. A few years after they came out with a few that were 4 to 5oz on 2s. Then a couple of years ago 6 to 6 1/2 oz on 3s. Now with RID and a weight limit to aim for some UMX's/Micros are getting bigger and more powerful again...which has been a natural progression since the start of ultra micros anyway. As the power and capability has increased...the airframes have become more ridged to be able to handle the extra power. There's more foam there and sometimes carbon reinforcement because there needs to be. This is something they failed at originally with the UMX A-10...which is why the fuse's were breaking on belly landings. When Draco came out it was the heaviest yet by a lot...never seen anything like it, and folks sounded the "Its too heavy" alarm...worked out fine. Awesome flying plane. BTW...yes its on 4s...a tiny 4s that weighs half what the big 3s in the 262 weighs. EDF's are built different and comparing them to a bush plane is a stretch. Anyway, don't get fixated on what you think UMX means...it changes, and it always has. So is the 262 the heaviest yet now...yeah, and it works out fine, just like the Draco did. Bottom line on the 262...its a big UMX twin EDF, looks awesome, flies awesome. I can't imagine what matters more than that.
What's the secret to hand launching???
Pretty easy. Launched in SAFE then flipped into AS3X.
Can you tell horizon they need to cap the umx line at $100 bucks. These micro planes are more expensive than some park flyers.
Brother it's 2024. The very first UMX EDF was a 2s powered Mig 15 that barely had enough power to get out of its own way. That was 12 years ago, and it sold for $149. 12 years ago a loaded pickup truck was 35k...that truck today is 70k. I'm not sure what you expect, but really nice, detailed, brushless powered UMX planes never cost $100. The UMX planes that were that price were 1s, brushed pager motors with a gearbox. Yes, some park flyers are cheap, but those are older planes or new revisions of older planes that use tooling/molds that were paid for years ago. A new mold today is guess what...yep...twice what it cost a decade ago. This 262 is a brand new, all new mold plane. If you want to see what kind of ultra micro $100 gets you today...go to Amazon and look up Volantex rc. Then think about how much better this looks than all of those cheap, brushed motor POS's.
@ModelAV8RChannel I get what you're saying. But I don't see how this umx is same price as the 50mm habu. That has a full range reciever, 30am esc, better servos. Parts that u can at least move into another plane if u wreck it. What's next a umx that's $500? Where can the line be drawn on the cost.
Man I understand your concerns. The 50mm Habu has been out a while. The mold was less expensive back then, and it has paid for itself already. Interestingly enough the labor cost is the same...smaller planes, but more tedious to work on/produce with a UMX. The advantage is they are RID exempt. I don't think we're going to see a $500 UMX in my lifetime. I hope not...if so a truck will be 300K lol.
@@ModelAV8RChannel inflation is crazy. Hahaha . But horizon does push the cost of these umx planes up there. I mean they are using the same board from the umx a10 and same 1 dollar linear servos they sell for 20 dollar each. I understand profit and margins. But I think they can afford to take it down a notch.
Man, so many folks don't have any idea what goes into bringing a model to market, so the time and money it takes isn't something they are familiar with. I understand that. Let me try to explain/educate you so you have more context. It isn't about the electronics. It is the designing and making of the tooling (the mold for the foam) that is the biggest expense.
It is a two to three year process from idea to market. First, it has to be designed in CAD, that takes more hours than you can imagine...they gotta pay for that. Then, a CNC model has to be built in China, Vietnam, Taiwan (or wherever the particular model is going to be made) as a proof of concept based on that design. That takes more time...they gotta pay for that. Then, that rough model comes to the states and the folks at HH test it extensively to see how it flies based on what they are shooting for. That takes more time as they get several hands on the controls so a democratic decision can be made about it, and yep, you guessed it..they gotta pay for that. Then, if there are issues and it doesn't fly the way they wanted for some reason, back to CAD to redesign whatever needs to be changed to get it right. They gotta pay for that. Then, another revised CNC model has to be made, sent to the states, and tested all over again to make sure the changes work as they think they will...yepper...they gotta pay for all of that. So, they are a sh#t ton of money in already...and now it is ready for tooling...for the mold to be made that will render the planes we buy. I'm not at liberty to give exact figures, but let's just say the tooling to make a mold for a plane the size of the UMX 262 costs many thousands of dollars. Larger planes/molds cost MUCH more. They gotta pay for that. The mold gets made and they make a sample plane. That gets sent to the states and extensively tested. Anything that is wrong (with the finer details at this point) they kick it back, give new direction, and the factory cranks out a few samples for testing...again. All that...they gotta pay for. Finally, after even more direction on the finer details...the factory makes several production samples to be sent for testing and final approval (often those are the planes we reviewers get after they have tested them). They gotta pay for that. If all goes well...production starts.
So, dozens of people with tons of hours of work, materials, shipping, and the huge cost of the mold is how far they are in the hole before they ever sell a single plane. Guess what ...WE gotta pay for that, and all that costs more in 2024 than it ever has before.
Love your vids thanks for sharing
But the new umx in not micro and its pricey no light or flaps for that price yo horizon brings back the cessna citation V2 4s or f4,f5, f14,f15,f18,f35, f111, f117 euro fighter, mirage, j10b, A4, rafale su17, bronco, airlines jus a suggestion
Thanks man!
German's were never known to make sexy looking planes. Other then the Focke-Wulf Fw 190, their bombers and other planes were God awful ugly. The Stuka was ugly, but was a deadly dive bomber. Awesome scale creation. Love their UMX's. They need to make more WW2 planes. Hurricane & Spitfire would make me get both. I'm sure more are on the works. Edge 540 3D UMX would be great as well.
I'd like to see all of those!
Wow Heidi well following this bad boy. Brilliant video and flying Adam. 🫡
Thank you brother Chris!