Another great review Adam and Heidi, that little EDF Jet can really shift, looks like it flies like a much bigger Jet, and anything with a Dragon on it can't be bad 🏴 😀👍
It’s still just blows me away how she stays with you on the camera, even with this little plane. Best camera wife in the business, by far! Another great one Adam. Thanks!
Great work, as always! I feel your pain with the wireless audio hits. My F-14 maiden was the worst case of that for me and it always hit at the coolest parts in the video. Keep em coming Bro 👊🏻💥👊🏻
Great looking, fun little jet. Good job keeping it in close enough for good camera work. Good review ! ( I will just have to enjoy your flying today. I have strong winds with gusts over 30. )
From one rc content creator to another, you have the best videos. Always super informative and right to the point and honest. And your flying skills are top tier 👌
You do have a magic touch on the sticks, Adam... getting this little pocket rocket to fly, looking like it's flying scale, is a testament to your flying skills. Cool review, as usual from team Model AV8R!
I think it is ever so slightly larger than scale, but it is very close. They got it dialed for sure. Intake, cheater slots, and thrust tube are a great combo. She hauls the mail!
I got one of these, and everything you said is spot on. Especially regarding the elevator expo, it's way too unresponsive with +10%. This is my first EDF however, and I managed 😊. It definitely wants to porpoise on landing if you try to flare.
Good thing is that dump battery can be charge at the field with a regular lipo charger, using a big lipo battery like 6s 4000 from my big plane as power supply ;-) . ❤❤❤ Love that
Got to really like UMX size aircraft to shell out $200 to fly that little bird with 2 batteries. Very cool looking. I amazed at how it looks and how well it does in the sky & how well it lands. Definitely not my cup of soup but Im sure many will be sold. Nice Job H H .
The full scale F-86 & F-100 Sabres also had that stall characteristic, called the "Sabre Dance", I bet you already knew about it. I experienced the same stall with the Great Planes micro F-86 - from a too weak hand launch, it hovered nose up, then flipped over backward, so I kept full throttle and tried to complete the loop, but needed about 1 more foot of altitude. Now it's another foam F-86 with a slightly crinkled nose!
@@ModelAV8RChannel I expect they have more UMX in the pipeline using this new power system, hoping for an F-4, probably wouldn’t be their best choice, but would sell a lot of replacement foam! Might try to shoehorn this rec/esc/fan into my UMX Habu, and reinforce the wings!
Great review as always. Not trying to be negative, but do you remember the old rubber band planes back in the 70s. All balsa wood. So tough. These umx planes are so brittle but so fun to fly. I don't like the epc foam at all. To easy to brake. I feel these planes are for more experienced pilots that can land a plane perfectly everytime. Whats your thoughts on the brittle foam that umx planes are constructed from. I know the 250 gram limit. I thought you would be the guy to ask. The old school balsa rubber band planes were way tougher. Thanks. Your my man.
Hey Jay, thanks man. So, its a trade off. They did make a UMX trainer (Apprentice STOL) out of EPO specifically to be tougher. The others are EPS because it is lighter than EPO, and at this size every gram counts. They are focused on the 250g limit now, but they have always tried to make them as light as they can so they fly better, and that is most important. Any foam shows hangar rash...or flying rash, lol...more than balsa planes do. Just the nature of the beast. When it comes to breaking to the point of not flyable without a repair I've seen these UMX planes take quite the wallop and still fly (See our UMX Timber X Challenge episode, poor plane). That said yes, they do show the wear more than a balsa plane. The up side is they are less expensive to produce and purchase, and they fly very good. You're right, if keeping them pristine is what a person wants, then yes...good landing skills will help. Thankfully, those skills can be learned and honed.
Hi Adam. Your videos are becoming the go-to-first option for many in the hobby now. Including me. Your professionalism and clear comments are what many want these days. Keep up the good work. It is much appreciated. Anyhow, I live in Samoa so getting anything RC can be a bit of a challenge. I will be getting the UMX F-86 once it becomes available in the southern hemisphere. I don't have any batteries that are IC2 but do have ones with xt30 and JST connectors. Maybe a silly question but can I replace the ESC IC2 plug with a JST or XT30 plug without causing any problems? Finally, do you know what the F8-6 ESC/Receiver maximum amperage would be? I've tried to search this but cannot find any info. Thank you again and hope to receive your reply. Peter
Hey Peter, thanks very much for the kind words! Glad our channel is helpful, we try. Samoa, wow! Right in the middle of the Pacific. On the ESC the leads coming off the board are short, about an inch. That said if you're good at soldering you could solder a different connector on, or just use one of the adapters (JST to IC2) we show in the vid. I don't know what the max amp rating for the ESC is. I've looked at the telemetry but I can't remember (I fly WAY to many different planes, Lol). You'll enjoy the F-86, just make sure you don't put that pack all the way forward.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I appreciate your prompt reply. Your comments are clear and understandable. Pre-Covid, I got a lot of my items from Amain Hobbies but as freight options are not as good as they were, I source from a number of hobby stores in New Zealand now. One benefit is that the weather here allows me to fly all year round. No Winters!! You under-estimate the level of good and genuine advice that you provide. Take care and all the best. Peter
Lets hope this is not the start of the slippery slope into flying toys - The Shape of things to come for the RC Aircraft (DRONE) hobby 😞, I guess you have to work with what you get Adam - I guess more and more of this small stuff will come out for those who do not fly in a FREA.... As always you do a good review...
@@ModelAV8RChannel I think its a good think both small and Large, the small for those that do not want government monitoring and the larger for those who do not mind having a Remote ID installed - I take it that the Remote ID is not necessary if you are a member of a club AMA/fly at a FREA anyway ? - thanks Adam ..
@@FlankerTanker Correct. If you fly at a FRIA, no RID required. That said, using the RID module is much easier than we originally thought it would be. Nobody like them, which is understandable, but it could be worse.
Thanks Steve...you guys did a great job as well! I know making tiny planes fly well isn't always easy, you guys are the best in the business at it, bar none.
Excellent flying & review as usual, Adam! Just a note - the pre-AS3X Beast & UMX Sbach (before the UMX Beast 3D & Sbach 3D) were the 1st 2s bl UMX planes. The MiG didn't come out 'til a bit later, after AS3X was the norm in the UMX world. BTW - I still have my original UMX MiG. Still in decent shape, but I haven't flown her since 2015. Not sure if you've ever watched the vid - but check out my comparisons of the pre-AS3X UMX Beast vs the AS3X-equipped UMX Beast 3D in a ~19 MPH wind. Also, my UMX Sbach 3D on 3s has a fair amount of Doppler-shift when she goes by on a low WOT pass. 😎
Hey Joel thanks man! You know, I shot that segment in the shop about 15 times, Lol. Just was having a bad afternoon and getting tongue tied. What I meant to say was the Mig 15 was the first ever UMX EDF. We caught my mistake in editing and put a graphic up as I say first UMX to correct that. I wasn't gonna try to shoot it again, Lol. I have seen those videos of yours, amazing the difference on film, and it was amazing to fly them and see for myself as well. AS3X has made these micros so much better. Man you used to fly in winds that were crazy!
Well presented & filmed guys. Just like mine except the Arrows is ‘slightly’ larger. I wish the manufacturer would look at shadow pilot figures applied to grey cockpits as they used to do on the Apprentice( solid grey cockpit with a neat shadow image to give it life) Many thanks & excellent flying.🇦🇺🦘🪃
I've always loved the Sabre. My Dad flew the F-86A, E, & H. What kind of flight times do you get, with the recommended battery? I love the looks, sound, and performance from this plane but just hate the typically short EDF flight durations.
A great review of a lovely looking UMX. If I was in the market for one, I'd seriously consider it, especially with the SAFE launch mode. Putting 4S is is awesome (albeit I'd be straight in there with a soldering iron and XT30/XT60). My little quibble, made a few times already I know, is that I have no idea what 6oz is so spent the review wondering if it was under 250g AUW or not. Your non-USA viewers would really appreciate it if you also state the metric weights of these models.
Thanks, great little jet. The 4s power is awesome. Rest assured, every single UMX and Micro plane made by Horizon from now on will be under the 250g limit. Quick google search for "ounces to grams" says 6 oz. is 170.097g.
Same here man. Under powered, but still fun. I actually scored a second one recently at a swap meet. It is the one I showed. New in the box believe it or not!
The AF actual f86 stalled the same way- they called it a "pitch out" and at low altitudes was deadly. There are videos of f86's pitching out on take off, not a chance of survival. This is one of the reasons they developed "zero altitude ejection seats".
Cool. For the sake of the conversation we were talking airplanes, and I mentioned the two I was certain about. So there's 3, maybe even another neither of us is familiar with...that is still not a lot. I bet more are coming though.
Not really a common feature on a UMX. I suspect it will be done right at some point. The only ones I've seen so far on a ultra micro were poorly done and weak.
I understand the sentiment, but on the flip side the planes are getting more powerful and efficient, so that's gonna happen. I'm kinda okay with that. Also, that battery has been out for a while, they use it in a couple of heli's.
Horizon Hobby should release more UMX jets! So awesome!
I agree! Come on UMX A-4...
YESSSSS I AGREE!!!! Lol
Another great review Adam and Heidi, that little EDF Jet can really shift, looks like it flies like a much bigger Jet, and anything with a Dragon on it can't be bad 🏴 😀👍
Thanks Ian! That's what I'm saying! Dragons are cool!
The best channel to get info on a new model, well done again!
Thanks very much!
It’s still just blows me away how she stays with you on the camera, even with this little plane. Best camera wife in the business, by far! Another great one Adam. Thanks!
Heidi is the best. This lil sucker was a challenge!
Just plain best camera operator👍🏽
Great work, as always! I feel your pain with the wireless audio hits. My F-14 maiden was the worst case of that for me and it always hit at the coolest parts in the video. Keep em coming Bro 👊🏻💥👊🏻
Thanks GB! Yeah the sound was a mess that flight.
Great Shirt. Pride and Joy is the first song and nis greatest hit album, Seems perfect for this review.
He was the man. My favorite guitarist ever. Plane ain't bad either, lol.
Great looking, fun little jet. Good job keeping it in close enough for good camera work. Good review !
( I will just have to enjoy your flying today. I have strong winds with gusts over 30. )
Thanks! Yep Heidi is awesome on the camera. Whew! That is windy!
From one rc content creator to another, you have the best videos. Always super informative and right to the point and honest. And your flying skills are top tier 👌
And your camera person tracks you perfectly!!!
Thanks very much!
Adam great review and flying. Heidi is great on the camera. zoom zoom zoom Jeff in LA USA
Thanks Jeff! She is!
You do have a magic touch on the sticks, Adam... getting this little pocket rocket to fly, looking like it's flying scale, is a testament to your flying skills. Cool review, as usual from team Model AV8R!
Aww thank you miss Gina!
Excellent work Team AV8R! The Sabre is one of my favorite jets at any scale.
Thanks man, mine too!
nice flight and video ! 😎
Thanks man!
Your the only influencer that can properly land this thing.
Lol. Not sure why, its not that hard to do.
The first thing I noticed was how scale the intake is! Even 64mm sabres often have massively oversized intakes, but this one is spot on! ON A 30MM!!!
I think it is ever so slightly larger than scale, but it is very close. They got it dialed for sure. Intake, cheater slots, and thrust tube are a great combo. She hauls the mail!
Great review and demo as usual! That is one cool UMX! That's a lot of detail for such a small plane.
Thanks Keith! It is a looker.
You’re soooooooo smooth on the sticks. Wish I could fly half as good as you.
Thanks very much! Lots of practice.
That's a nicin Adam... I agree will all the others- Heidi was spot on with the cam. Ya'll make a great team.😉
It is, thank you bro!
I got one of these, and everything you said is spot on. Especially regarding the elevator expo, it's way too unresponsive with +10%. This is my first EDF however, and I managed 😊. It definitely wants to porpoise on landing if you try to flare.
Awesome. Glad you are enjoying it. You definitely have to work that elevator on landing.
Great info Adam.. What a wonderful little plane. Earl really needs one of these... Thanks for delivering these great reviews..
Thanks buddy. Earl loves those Sabres...
Good thing is that dump battery can be charge at the field with a regular lipo charger, using a big lipo battery like 6s 4000 from my big plane as power supply ;-) . ❤❤❤ Love that
Got to really like UMX size aircraft to shell out $200 to fly that little bird with 2 batteries. Very cool looking. I amazed at how it looks and how well it does in the sky & how well it lands. Definitely not my cup of soup but Im sure many will be sold. Nice Job H H .
Thanks for the review!
Glad it was helpful!
@@ModelAV8RChannel just bought one based on ur review :)
@@thelawfamilyproduction329 Enjoy it!
Thank you. Excellent video coverage and content on the UMX Sabre
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
I know it’s your skills Adam, but she looked like a great flyer. I do love when small planes look scale and detailed. Nice review and footage 🫡
Thanks Chris!
The MCX A10 has a IC2 connector also.
The full scale F-86 & F-100 Sabres also had that stall characteristic, called the "Sabre Dance", I bet you already knew about it. I experienced the same stall with the Great Planes micro F-86 - from a too weak hand launch, it hovered nose up, then flipped over backward, so I kept full throttle and tried to complete the loop, but needed about 1 more foot of altitude. Now it's another foam F-86 with a slightly crinkled nose!
Yep, they can bite you. That said once you know what not to do it is pretty easy to avoid it. I love em'!
@@ModelAV8RChannel I expect they have more UMX in the pipeline using this new power system, hoping for an F-4, probably wouldn’t be their best choice, but would sell a lot of replacement foam! Might try to shoehorn this rec/esc/fan into my UMX Habu, and reinforce the wings!
Great review as always. Not trying to be negative, but do you remember the old rubber band planes back in the 70s. All balsa wood. So tough. These umx planes are so brittle but so fun to fly. I don't like the epc foam at all. To easy to brake. I feel these planes are for more experienced pilots that can land a plane perfectly everytime. Whats your thoughts on the brittle foam that umx planes are constructed from. I know the 250 gram limit. I thought you would be the guy to ask. The old school balsa rubber band planes were way tougher. Thanks. Your my man.
Hey Jay, thanks man. So, its a trade off. They did make a UMX trainer (Apprentice STOL) out of EPO specifically to be tougher. The others are EPS because it is lighter than EPO, and at this size every gram counts. They are focused on the 250g limit now, but they have always tried to make them as light as they can so they fly better, and that is most important. Any foam shows hangar rash...or flying rash, lol...more than balsa planes do. Just the nature of the beast. When it comes to breaking to the point of not flyable without a repair I've seen these UMX planes take quite the wallop and still fly (See our UMX Timber X Challenge episode, poor plane). That said yes, they do show the wear more than a balsa plane. The up side is they are less expensive to produce and purchase, and they fly very good. You're right, if keeping them pristine is what a person wants, then yes...good landing skills will help. Thankfully, those skills can be learned and honed.
Another great video Adam, looks like this one really scoots. Definitely a lot more power than my old UMX F-16 😄
Thanks man, and yes...a lot more!
Just wanted to say that I know you've warn it before but really cool t-shirt Brother!!!
It is...legend.
Love this release. Caught me off guard. Had to buy one… 😁
You'll enjoy it!
Pretty neat that it has a rudder considering the size
Horizon is pretty good about that. My 10+ year old UMX Mig has rudder, the 50mm Habu has rudder. You're right, most jets in those size's don't.
Hi Adam.
Your videos are becoming the go-to-first option for many in the hobby now. Including me. Your professionalism and clear comments are what many want these days. Keep up the good work. It is much appreciated.
Anyhow, I live in Samoa so getting anything RC can be a bit of a challenge. I will be getting the UMX F-86 once it becomes available in the southern hemisphere.
I don't have any batteries that are IC2 but do have ones with xt30 and JST connectors. Maybe a silly question but can I replace the ESC IC2 plug with a JST or XT30 plug without causing any problems?
Finally, do you know what the F8-6 ESC/Receiver maximum amperage would be? I've tried to search this but cannot find any info.
Thank you again and hope to receive your reply.
Peter
Hey Peter, thanks very much for the kind words! Glad our channel is helpful, we try. Samoa, wow! Right in the middle of the Pacific. On the ESC the leads coming off the board are short, about an inch. That said if you're good at soldering you could solder a different connector on, or just use one of the adapters (JST to IC2) we show in the vid. I don't know what the max amp rating for the ESC is. I've looked at the telemetry but I can't remember (I fly WAY to many different planes, Lol). You'll enjoy the F-86, just make sure you don't put that pack all the way forward.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I appreciate your prompt reply. Your comments are clear and understandable. Pre-Covid, I got a lot of my items from Amain Hobbies but as freight options are not as good as they were, I source from a number of hobby stores in New Zealand now. One benefit is that the weather here allows me to fly all year round. No Winters!! You under-estimate the level of good and genuine advice that you provide. Take care and all the best. Peter
Thanks again Peter. Happy to help whenever we can. Enjoy the year round flying!
Dude this thing is so siiick!
Its fun bro.
Lets hope this is not the start of the slippery slope into flying toys - The Shape of things to come for the RC Aircraft (DRONE) hobby 😞, I guess you have to work with what you get Adam - I guess more and more of this small stuff will come out for those who do not fly in a FREA.... As always you do a good review...
Thanks Martyn. I think the UMX stuff will be even more popular now...that said I know they are still doing large stuff too.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I think its a good think both small and Large, the small for those that do not want government monitoring and the larger for those who do not mind having a Remote ID installed - I take it that the Remote ID is not necessary if you are a member of a club AMA/fly at a FREA anyway ? - thanks Adam ..
@@FlankerTanker Correct. If you fly at a FRIA, no RID required. That said, using the RID module is much easier than we originally thought it would be. Nobody like them, which is understandable, but it could be worse.
Nice work!
Thanks Steve...you guys did a great job as well! I know making tiny planes fly well isn't always easy, you guys are the best in the business at it, bar none.
@@ModelAV8RChannel appreciate that! Glad you enjoy it as much as we do!
Excellent flying & review as usual, Adam! Just a note - the pre-AS3X Beast & UMX Sbach (before the UMX Beast 3D & Sbach 3D) were the 1st 2s bl UMX planes. The MiG didn't come out 'til a bit later, after AS3X was the norm in the UMX world. BTW - I still have my original UMX MiG. Still in decent shape, but I haven't flown her since 2015. Not sure if you've ever watched the vid - but check out my comparisons of the pre-AS3X UMX Beast vs the AS3X-equipped UMX Beast 3D in a ~19 MPH wind. Also, my UMX Sbach 3D on 3s has a fair amount of Doppler-shift when she goes by on a low WOT pass. 😎
Hey Joel thanks man! You know, I shot that segment in the shop about 15 times, Lol. Just was having a bad afternoon and getting tongue tied. What I meant to say was the Mig 15 was the first ever UMX EDF. We caught my mistake in editing and put a graphic up as I say first UMX to correct that. I wasn't gonna try to shoot it again, Lol. I have seen those videos of yours, amazing the difference on film, and it was amazing to fly them and see for myself as well. AS3X has made these micros so much better. Man you used to fly in winds that were crazy!
You know what I did Adam thanks for review and video 😊😁😄👍👍👍
Ha Ha, thanks Frank! You'll enjoy it!
@@ModelAV8RChannel I know I can't do the big boy this will do I haven't been disappointed with any of the umx yet 😊
They all fly remarkably well to be so small.
Well presented & filmed guys. Just like mine except the Arrows is ‘slightly’ larger. I wish the manufacturer would look at shadow pilot figures applied to grey cockpits as they used to do on the Apprentice( solid grey cockpit with a neat shadow image to give it life)
Many thanks & excellent flying.🇦🇺🦘🪃
Thanks Noel! Lol, slightly larger indeed!
Super cool Adam! I make have to get one 😂
Fun one Jude!
I've always loved the Sabre. My Dad flew the F-86A, E, & H. What kind of flight times do you get, with the recommended battery? I love the looks, sound, and performance from this plane but just hate the typically short EDF flight durations.
3 to 3 1/2 min. Pretty short flight time, but I fly it kind of hard.
A great review of a lovely looking UMX. If I was in the market for one, I'd seriously consider it, especially with the SAFE launch mode. Putting 4S is is awesome (albeit I'd be straight in there with a soldering iron and XT30/XT60). My little quibble, made a few times already I know, is that I have no idea what 6oz is so spent the review wondering if it was under 250g AUW or not. Your non-USA viewers would really appreciate it if you also state the metric weights of these models.
Thanks, great little jet. The 4s power is awesome. Rest assured, every single UMX and Micro plane made by Horizon from now on will be under the 250g limit. Quick google search for "ounces to grams" says 6 oz. is 170.097g.
@@ModelAV8RChannel All true but it would be nice to include metric, if only on the setup page.
We'll start doing that man.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Thank you! ❤
I still have the Mig-15. Barely flies, but I like it!
Same here man. Under powered, but still fun. I actually scored a second one recently at a swap meet. It is the one I showed. New in the box believe it or not!
@@ModelAV8RChannel Wow. I got mine for $10! Recently saw a ratty one on Ebay for $140.
That's so cool! I got my other one at a swap meet a couple of years ago...for $10. I payed $60 for the new one.
The AF actual f86 stalled the same way- they called it a "pitch out" and at low altitudes was deadly. There are videos of f86's pitching out on take off, not a chance of survival. This is one of the reasons they developed "zero altitude ejection seats".
Yep, the "Sabre Dance".
The Blade Fusion 180 flies with that battery
The UMIX A-10 and the Blade 230S both use the IC2 connectors.
Cool. For the sake of the conversation we were talking airplanes, and I mentioned the two I was certain about. So there's 3, maybe even another neither of us is familiar with...that is still not a lot. I bet more are coming though.
It would be a hoot to fly this and the EMS on the same morning. Really give Will something to talk about. I'll have to consider it.
@@ModelAV8RChannel Ultrix 600 also uses IC2. Same 3S batt as the Eratix.
Good to know. I gotta try one of those...
@@ModelAV8RChannel the A-10 uses 3S850 and is a blast to fly.
If it had had retractable landing gear I definitely would have bought it.
Not really a common feature on a UMX. I suspect it will be done right at some point. The only ones I've seen so far on a ultra micro were poorly done and weak.
@@ModelAV8RChannel I hope so as soon as possible!!
Blade fusion 180 takes same size battery and connector
Great video I hate how E-Flite keeps changing batteries so you are forced to buy more batteries.
I understand the sentiment, but on the flip side the planes are getting more powerful and efficient, so that's gonna happen. I'm kinda okay with that. Also, that battery has been out for a while, they use it in a couple of heli's.
Looks like you land with pơwer off ❤❤❤❤
You can yes. Just need the right approach angle in.
No way it's quicker than the UMX CONCSENDO?
It's close. Hard to say for sure. Definitely the fastest UMX EDF I've flown. Conscendo has better vertical for sure.
@@ModelAV8RChannel yes,I agree...
Just placed my order.Thankyou sir for you video.
Much appreciated.
Enjoy it!
Looks like you land with power off... ❤❤❤❤❤
Boy oh boy, You have to land that thing flat don't you?
Most jets, yes.