Thank you so much> We were putting a Shower Bed today and didn't want to do the mud and your suggestion of using the insulation foam made this project so much easier.
instead of using shims it is better to use some leaving cement so it soports the base better then using foam off label, if these kinds of bases are not installed right they can crack/brake if not supported properly.
BTW: I spoke with Onyx technical support. They said that Spray Foam should NOT be used beneath thier shower pans. They only recommend caulk since it does not harden.
Spray foam is a good idea - it is standard for manufacturers not recommend stuff they have not used themselves - that does not mean it can't be used. Again, "Low expansion" spray foam is a good idea, creates a fantastic bond to the floor (clean floor well) and will prevent movement. i have no affiliation what so ever bond found the method sound based on my other uses with spray foam in my diy applications What they dont show is the drain pipe - no hole even in the shower floor for this vid demo!! - I am hoping that Onyx has good instruction for that included Cheers
@@patrickmckowen2999 Spray foam will push your shower out of level. Use self leveling cerement to ensure your base is level, or use Mortar, cement instead of the foam, which is what most manufacturers recommend.
they discussed this in the video, 9:30 it starts. They did the steps but the actual pipe wasnt shown since this wasnt an actual install i think. The rubber is installed into the drain and onto the 2 inch drain pipe then the compression ring is installed and tightened followed by the cover
These take a little time to properly assemble and th-cam.com/users/postUgkxd5EBUeJB1fVVN1ZqLyQDXE7lWSDxtioi after installation , but the end result is fantastic. Very pleased.
The onyx collection instructions specifically say to NOT us spray foam and level the floor with thinset or a floor leveling compound. It also says that the base needs to touch the floor everywhere. Shims would create major pressure points which is exactly what you are not supposed to do.
What is the 1/8" space between the base and the wall studs for? I haven't seen any installations where this is done on youtube? I am researching to install my own Dreamline Shower base.
@@KellyConcepts let me know what you end up doing. I will probably be installing mine in a couple weeks. The dreamline instructions don't mention a 1/8" gap so I plan on not doing that unless I find a good reason to in the mean time.
@@billjonesnation the instructions dont mention it and my space is exactly 60" so I don't think there's room for 1/8 on each side anyway haha. I'm sure its so the pan can shift a little and not crack, but I'll just not over tighten any screws. Good luck!
I am also working on a Dreamline base. Strange I seen countless ppl mentioned the 1/8 gap but yet they screw tight the lip to the stud afterward. WHAT?!
Avoid using Great Stuff Foam!! its a mess and if you have a slight mishap you will never be able to move the shower pan, get it off the shower pan or your hands. Lessons learned :(
If you are removing a tub on a concrete slab floor and replacing it with the Onyx shower pan can it be ordered with the drain hole over the existing tub drain?
This is the only place in my life I've ever seen someone install a shower base with shims and expanding foam. 99.9% of contractors do this with thin set mortar if not floor leveler. This seems awfully hokey!
HA!! He went step by step from being to the end and a lot of you are still asking how to attach the sanitary drain line HA!! He mentioned it times HA!!!
Step 1- take it out of the box Step2- realize its garbage. Step 3- install it back into the box. Step 4- return for refund. Now you have completed your shower pan install.
Grizzly no it’s like Corian. It’s alumina hydrite crystals and polyester resins. It’s solid mold injected. Not sure what you ordered but you did not order anything from Onyx
@@grizzly8859 No, it is not. It is a solid composite product with a finished surface. t is not simply an acrylic coated pan like the cheaper ones at most home improvement stores (Fiberglass over plywood, then spray4d with an acrylic coating). Onyx products in no way resemble "styrofoam." Try picking up the shower pan and you immediately feel the mass and rigidity.
Add a shim, simply lift and place, unless, of course, it's the side up against the wall in the back, simple goes out the window. Expanding foam will eventually compress as it is a filler with no structural value (particularly window and door foam sure, it expands less, the reason being less dense) , bad idea, unless you are going to replace the whole thing in a few years(or sooner). You might show the ease of installing the drain assembly from a crawl space rather than an easily accessible bench setup, hint, it's not as easy.
where is the waste pipe hole as you have put the tray directly onto the floor with the waste already secured in the tray how would you fit the waste and pipe work
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Unlike so many how to videos made by the product sellers, this is actually a very detailed, and very easy to understand video, thanks a lot.
Thank you so much> We were putting a Shower Bed today and didn't want to do the mud and your suggestion of using the insulation foam made this project so much easier.
Is it still solid? :D
Level the floor first, then thinset the pan down with modified thinset.... Apply thinset to the subfloor and back of the pan. Way stronger than foam!
instead of using shims it is better to use some leaving cement so it soports the base better then using foam off label, if these kinds of bases are not installed right they can crack/brake if not supported properly.
Very good video. Thank you to share you knowledge to help us when w'll need to make our proyect.
BTW: I spoke with Onyx technical support. They said that Spray Foam should NOT be used beneath thier shower pans. They only recommend caulk since it does not harden.
Spray foam is a good idea - it is standard for manufacturers not recommend stuff they have not used themselves - that does not mean it can't be used. Again, "Low expansion" spray foam is a good idea, creates a fantastic bond to the floor (clean floor well) and will prevent movement. i have no affiliation what so ever bond found the method sound based on my other uses with spray foam in my diy applications
What they dont show is the drain pipe - no hole even in the shower floor for this vid demo!! - I am hoping that Onyx has good instruction for that included
Cheers
Wish I read this comment before I used the foam, I screwed up a $700 shower base using it.
@@patrickmckowen2999 Spray foam will push your shower out of level. Use self leveling cerement to ensure your base is level, or use Mortar, cement instead of the foam, which is what most manufacturers recommend.
That is an amazing install video. Great job.
How do you attach drain to floor pipe?
they discussed this in the video, 9:30 it starts. They did the steps but the actual pipe wasnt shown since this wasnt an actual install i think. The rubber is installed into the drain and onto the 2 inch drain pipe then the compression ring is installed and tightened followed by the cover
This is an awesome video. Thank you so much, it was so helpful. Great presentation.
These take a little time to properly assemble and th-cam.com/users/postUgkxd5EBUeJB1fVVN1ZqLyQDXE7lWSDxtioi after installation , but the end result is fantastic. Very pleased.
Excellent teaching video
Thank you
I appreciate your input knowledge & professionalism Very good!. Thanks
Onyx themselves says do NOT bond the base to the floor. It has to be able to expand and contract.
Use tile setter to level the pan, and for better support.
is it better to use sandmix instead of expanding foam? Thats what my shower pan instructions call for.
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The onyx collection instructions specifically say to NOT us spray foam and level the floor with thinset or a floor leveling compound. It also says that the base needs to touch the floor everywhere. Shims would create major pressure points which is exactly what you are not supposed to do.
Do they come on the size of 4 foot six
Is that how they recommend to orient the shims? Seems like they should be turned 90 degrees so you can adjust the height needed.
Thank you. this was so helpful.
If you work on slab foundation, this step should be done first before leveling the pan, isn't?
What is the 1/8" space between the base and the wall studs for? I haven't seen any installations where this is done on youtube? I am researching to install my own Dreamline Shower base.
I also just ordered the Dreamline - curious about the 1/8 as well
@@KellyConcepts let me know what you end up doing. I will probably be installing mine in a couple weeks. The dreamline instructions don't mention a 1/8" gap so I plan on not doing that unless I find a good reason to in the mean time.
@@billjonesnation the instructions dont mention it and my space is exactly 60" so I don't think there's room for 1/8 on each side anyway haha. I'm sure its so the pan can shift a little and not crack, but I'll just not over tighten any screws. Good luck!
2:05 he says why.
I am also working on a Dreamline base. Strange I seen countless ppl mentioned the 1/8 gap but yet they screw tight the lip to the stud afterward. WHAT?!
Do yourself a favor by stuffing a rag into the drain before using the compression nut wrench. Otherwise you might lose it down the drain.
The best video thanks
We do not recommend using spray foam. We have seen it cause problems down the road.
How high does the drain need to come up to attach to the bottom of the pan? Even with the top of the slab?
David Hewson did you find an answer on this?
One inch from floor
I always cut the pipe flush with the subfloor.
Thanks
Don't drop your compression wrench into the drain. Use a rag to recent this.
FYI, it is physically impossible to lift anything using your hands, without using your back.
you didn’t connect the drain to the drain pipe. So now it is secured down and won’t be able to lift it to connect. Am I missing something?
2" compression gasket. It's a riser now not flat or staked rough
You didn’t show how to install the drain underneath
I have viewed endless videos, including those from the manufacturers, NONE of them do that.
2 inch pvc riser down to a p-trap
How do you repair/replace a terrazzo shower stall pad?
Avoid using Great Stuff Foam!! its a mess and if you have a slight mishap you will never be able to move the shower pan, get it off the shower pan or your hands. Lessons learned :(
First 🧐 unwrap packaging 😂😂😂
I trust plumbers putty more than I trust silicone - long term. Is it ok to use plumbers putty with this kit?
Plumbers putty does not really provide adhesion like silicon does tbh.
Only use Onyx brand adhesive silicone. It's better than anything you can purchase in a store.
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If you are removing a tub on a concrete slab floor and replacing it with the Onyx shower pan can it be ordered with the drain hole over the existing tub drain?
Don E. Cook yes. Locate the hole off your measurements from the studs on drain side and order accordingly
@@chadsmetana444 Thank you for the reply....
Cook kop
This is the only place in my life I've ever seen someone install a shower base with shims and expanding foam. 99.9% of contractors do this with thin set mortar if not floor leveler. This seems awfully hokey!
Bryan Klaus F that foam ahahahaha.... you right
I've installed one of these and we used silicone under it and that was it. It's a good shower unit.
which store carry this oxymoron shower pan
Lowe's carried it until a few months ago. You can visit their website also.
And..., the drain to floor pipe...??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
good
Truth! ????
j&R.Construction
HA!! He went step by step from being to the end and a lot of you are still asking how to attach the sanitary drain line HA!! He mentioned it times HA!!!
HA?
Step 1- take it out of the box
Step2- realize its garbage.
Step 3- install it back into the box.
Step 4- return for refund.
Now you have completed your shower pan install.
And you’re basing this on what? Onyx is a quality system
@@chadsmetana444- Lmao
And you are basing it on what????
Its Styrofoam! with a very very thin layer of acrylic over top.
Garbage
Grizzly no it’s like Corian. It’s alumina hydrite crystals and polyester resins. It’s solid mold injected. Not sure what you ordered but you did not order anything from Onyx
@@grizzly8859 No, it is not. It is a solid composite product with a finished surface. t is not simply an acrylic coated pan like the cheaper ones at most home improvement stores (Fiberglass over plywood, then spray4d with an acrylic coating). Onyx products in no way resemble "styrofoam." Try picking up the shower pan and you immediately feel the mass and rigidity.
Add a shim, simply lift and place, unless, of course, it's the side up against the wall in the back, simple goes out the window. Expanding foam will eventually compress as it is a filler with no structural value (particularly window and door foam sure, it expands less, the reason being less dense) , bad idea, unless you are going to replace the whole thing in a few years(or sooner). You might show the ease of installing the drain assembly from a crawl space rather than an easily accessible bench setup, hint, it's not as easy.
Too many steps.
Rough as fuck haha
"avoid getting this glue on your hands ... take your finger and remove the excess" :'D
How high should be drain pipe from the baseboard. So panel sit properly?????? Please reply
if you want to skip the shimming process and have a level even floor under the entire shower just use self-leveling floor underlayment compound.
How about the hole to drain the water?
... but we did drink some coffee. Ha, ha. I like it.
where is the waste pipe hole as you have put the tray directly onto the floor with the waste already secured in the tray how would you fit the waste and pipe work
Why can’t I see your video
Can,t u just get everything in one? just stand the box thing in the spot and connect the doodads?
All good except a plastic shower body and nut should be brass. Common Onyx , just a few more bucks.
When ordering mine they asked if I wanted pvc or brass drain components.
Don't get the silicone on your hands or clothes, but remove it with your fingers.
Alcohol removes the adhesive so it does not stick
Obviously you dont know anything about construction.
It would be better to use sand mix. Expansion foam will give over a period of time.
That foam is like bubble wrap haha
I'm still pretty new at this. Why did you use expanding foam instead of thinset like I've seen other videos do?
I was wondering the same thing, I've never seen expansion foam used in that way.
SHIMS!
you guys should win a nobel peace prize for saving marriages with your logical/ calm plumbing instructional videos.
good to learn
This is a very good TV show and we love it!
Uh, what aboot the sides?
Except plumbers put plumbers putty for the drain not caulking.
Do not use plumbers putty, Per the Onyx Collection instructions.
Cristian Munoz plumbers putty is not to be used on plastics and fiberglass
And if you do put plumbers putty it can degrade the floor pan material on this type of shower pan.
Thanks for the video. Learn a lot. Getting ready for my 3 shower tall.
Excellent video. Thanks for posting this
I guess its optional to put green rock on walls between shower sides and studs