PSA - The cheap record player mechanism to avoid

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2021
  • This £5 component (or variants of it) is used in most novelty budget record players. That’s fair enough when you’ve paid only £30 for a player to listen to some worn old records as a bit of fun. Perhaps not so great when this same £5 component forms the heart of your £100+ record player bought to play new limited edition £25 vinyl albums.
    It’s your choice how to spend your money - but it’s also nice to know exactly what it is you’re paying for and just how much care and attention as well as respect for you as a customer has been put into making the thing you’re paying your hard earned money for.
    This video originally formed the end of this review of a budget 'DJ' Record player
    • £89 Dual ‘DJ Turntable... - a few people asked for it to be uploaded separately.
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  • @Techmoan
    @Techmoan  ปีที่แล้ว +93

    This £5 component (or variants of it) is used in most novelty budget record players. That’s fair enough when you’ve paid only £30 for a player to listen to some worn old records as a bit of fun. Perhaps not so great when this same £5 component forms the heart of your £100+ record player bought to play new limited edition £25 vinyl albums. It’s your choice how to spend your money - but it’s also nice to know exactly what it is you’re paying for and just how much care and attention as well as respect for you as a customer has been put into making the thing you’re paying your hard earned money for.

  • @nslouka90
    @nslouka90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1381

    Techmoan moaning about tech, I can finally rest in peace.

    • @Fluteboy
      @Fluteboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      "Eee, they don't make 'em like they did when I were a kid! There ain't nowt like a Garrard!"

    • @StefanConstantinDumitrache
      @StefanConstantinDumitrache 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      More like bemoaning. It ain't like he's having an orgasm about this one.

    • @hermannabt8361
      @hermannabt8361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Huh, this whole time I thought his channel is called 'Technoman'.

    • @RenaissanceEarCandy
      @RenaissanceEarCandy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@hermannabt8361 I thought the same for quite a while

    • @davereichert
      @davereichert 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This should be a new series - seriously proper "Moan" videos.

  • @AmEv7fam
    @AmEv7fam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1076

    "The record that they bought is worth more than the record player that they put it on."
    That's LPL levels of savagery.

    • @pokehybridtrainer
      @pokehybridtrainer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Made me think of Street Fighter the movie. "This money isn't worth the paper it's printed on!"

    • @Gappasaurus
      @Gappasaurus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      “Okay folks, obviously this is a product that should be avoided. In any case, that’s all i have for you today...” 😄

    • @benholroyd5221
      @benholroyd5221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@pokehybridtrainer from the film that isn't worth the celluloid its printed on.

    • @pokehybridtrainer
      @pokehybridtrainer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@benholroyd5221 Surprisingly went plus years later with cable TV airings giving royalties to Capcom. A "good bad" movie for sure.

    • @Ebani
      @Ebani 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benholroyd5221 Wdym? It's such a cult classic full of culture, you have to be blind to not see it's real potential.

  • @redgrain3914
    @redgrain3914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +957

    Me, looking over at the mechanism on my record player: ...Uh oh.

    • @jarlrise
      @jarlrise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Me, looking over at my scratched up Technics SL5... Yea, keeping that one until it breaks beyond repair :)

    • @xaenon
      @xaenon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Don't despair. I agree with Techmoan that they're inexpensive and kind of nasty, but...! You *CAN* improve them, or at least, inexpensively move upward. This is a segment from a longer video he produced about a Dual-branded turntable that you could buy for very little money. He's in the UK, so he spoke of it being 89 British pounds, but a Crosley C100 here in the US is the very same thing and it goes for about $150. Target (yes, the department store) has their own brand of turntable called the Heyday that's also quite good for just a hair under 100USD.
      Both, of course, require an external amplifier and speakers (the Heyday also features Bluetooth 'transmit' capability).

    • @erwintimmerman6466
      @erwintimmerman6466 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      If you've been happy with it, that's all what matters. It can sound better, yes. And it does wear out your records a bit faster. But if you're not collecting rare stuff and are happy with its performance, don't let anyone talk you into not being happy with it when you previously were. Just know that if you ever get annoyed by its quality, there are better options available.

    • @festival3051
      @festival3051 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hahaha

    • @awitcheskid
      @awitcheskid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jonathanchampagne7683 No, they really don't. VWestlife has a video on it, and my friend has one with a few minor modifications and it sounds fine.

  • @warci
    @warci 3 ปีที่แล้ว +429

    got stung on this one: gave my sister a record player for her birthday and didn't want to cheap out so thought I'd spend a little money. 200€ later this piece of garbage arrived in a shiny silver housing with a dead brand name on it. I wish this video existed a few years ago because I still curse that plastic joke every time I see it at her place.

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Burn it...

    • @warci
      @warci 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ptonpc I'm not worried, the way it's shoddily built it will probably self-combust and burn her house down anyway

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@warci Probably for the best.

    • @bend1483
      @bend1483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      200€!?!

    • @warci
      @warci 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@bend1483 yup, thanks Denon!

  • @kalleguld
    @kalleguld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +419

    Good idea to have this as a separate video, so it's easy to send a link for it.

    • @Asterra2
      @Asterra2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      PSA: In cases lacking such convenience, find your timestamp, right-click the video, "Copy video URL at current time". This is also a quick way to get the shortened URL in general (youtu.be/etc.)

    • @MonaichFother
      @MonaichFother 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/1YIX5-CwhqM/w-d-xo.html

  • @arthurwight7326
    @arthurwight7326 3 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    Heavy tracking weight, el cheapo ceramic cartrige not good. But the disaster that awaits is more subtle. One of the ways that makers pull cost from these units is to fit a sapphire tip to the cartrige rather than a diamond. Diamond = expense, sapphire = cheap alternative that initially performs just the same. However, a sapphire tip can exhibit noticeable wear after only 20 hours of use and slowly turns from a smooth groove rider into a sharp edged chisel for vinyl. Back in the 80's these sapphire equipped units were derisively known as cheese graters for their terminal effect on anything played on them. There is no easy way for a average punter to distinguish easily what tip is fitted so best to assume the worst. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid.

    • @2999michaeljackson
      @2999michaeljackson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andygozzo72 Where do you get these? Would love to replace mine!

    • @sellmeyoursoul6601
      @sellmeyoursoul6601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      On the other hand, we have all the information we need, before I bought and started using my TT I read for a few days so I knew about styluses, carts, tracking force etc. Its a crime to say "wow I din't know" in the 21st century

    • @dougbrowning82
      @dougbrowning82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@andygozzo72 The better suitcase players had stacking record changers that could play 6 to 12 records at a time. Same as those big, heavy, credenza consoles, still, with a ceramic cartridge tracking around 6 grams. Think of a Stack-O-Matic, only made of metal parts.

    • @Denislolful
      @Denislolful 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bought an ion deck from Best Buy with this same tonearm over a decade ago as my first turntable. Playing the records I had on heavy rotation back then on my technics now are unlistenable, skips all the way through

    • @VicvicW
      @VicvicW 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Usually the tracking force on these ain't too bad (at least within manufacturer specs for the records themselves.) But yeah, the carts are ATROCIOUS. Swap that out when you get it, not too bad.
      Wouldn't spend more than £20 on anything with that mechanism tho

  • @ordinosaurs
    @ordinosaurs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    4 minutes of unedited rant, what a wonderful treat !

    • @andreasu.3546
      @andreasu.3546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It's not a rant, it's a public service anouncement.

    • @buddyrevell6369
      @buddyrevell6369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's a peaceful protest against junk audio!

    • @MuscarV2
      @MuscarV2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The immense idiocy of your comment is almost scary. You're wrong on every part.
      1. The video is 4 minutes, the rant is not.
      2. It very much isn't unedited, that's seriously astounding how you fail to understand that.
      3. Your grammar is so bad it's cringe inducing. Especially the space before the exclamation mark... Just, why?

    • @ordinosaurs
      @ordinosaurs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MuscarV2 :
      "You're wrong on every part"
      That's called "advertising hype".
      "...the space before the exclamation mark... Just, why?"
      Because I'm not from the UK and not all countries follow the same typographic rules. That's why. You say Pot-Aye-to and I say Pot-A-to, and all that sort of things.

    • @tcmtv001
      @tcmtv001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@craigjensen6853 I don’t know if you’re talking about ranting or...
      You know what, never mind. I’m not gonna ask

  • @catfish552
    @catfish552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    The vinyl-playing cousin of that one last cassette mech. Pops up everywhere in a ton of disguises, always the same crap inside.

  • @mattgreen5351
    @mattgreen5351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    I love Matt's withering distain for poor-quality stuff. As others have said, this is a PROPER MOAN. Great stuff!

    • @ncot_tech
      @ncot_tech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We need a second channel called "Proper Moans" with just the short edited rants in it.

  • @bansheemania1692
    @bansheemania1692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    My dad was Going to Buy one..He has All Original PRESSINGS. I was Like NO NO NO NO... Ended up finding a decent one with a Set of Speakers. 89usd

    • @CarlosPerezChavez
      @CarlosPerezChavez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Original pressings!! OMG.

    • @ccadam
      @ccadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Surprisingly so many people from the era of vinyl don't know much about different types of turntables. I guess it wasn't that different back then. So many cheap crappy record players with ceramic cartridges. There should be more better ones now when it's a niche market.

  • @andreasu.3546
    @andreasu.3546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Two Techmoan videos in one day. 2021 is bound to be a good year!

    • @chartle1
      @chartle1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea the second is really just a clip show. 😉

    • @Bigbadwhitecracker
      @Bigbadwhitecracker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aside from Techmoan, no it's been shitty and worse than 2020 already.

    • @stevesstuff1450
      @stevesstuff1450 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree completely! :-) I only 'liked' this comment as someone had taken it over 42 - it would have sacrilege to me to mar the ultimate answer, but it had already been done, so I took it to 44... ;-)

    • @grizzlydino
      @grizzlydino 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unpopular opinion: 2021 was pretty good

  • @HerbstaMagus
    @HerbstaMagus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    "This record player mechanism is rubbish! I bought ten of them to demonstrate..." hhaha

    • @Musicradio77Network
      @Musicradio77Network 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s a part unit, so you can mod a tonearm into one of the those vintage kiddie record players to play it. I have my GE Show ‘n Tell where the cartridge is shot, and the tonearm doesn’t have any screws, so I decided to replace it with a decent tonearm to track records pretty well.

    • @paullee5573
      @paullee5573 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you pay low money you get low product. Quit whining.

  • @AKADriver
    @AKADriver 3 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    These cheap players remind me of the Fisher-Price record player we had as kids. It was a real record player and built to about this level of quality, but it was explicitly marketed as a toy. Now they're being sold to adults who want to get started collecting vinyl and are too young to remember the Fisher-Price record player. :)

    • @computeraidedworld1148
      @computeraidedworld1148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Was it tan on the outside and white inside with an orange platter?

    • @AKADriver
      @AKADriver 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@computeraidedworld1148 Mine was blue but yeah, it's the same one.

    • @JG-to8sp
      @JG-to8sp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I don’t even mean this sarcastically, the fisher price mechanism is a far sturdier piece of engineering.

    • @computeraidedworld1148
      @computeraidedworld1148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JG-to8sp I was going to say. We still got ours. It's not bad at all for a toy.

    • @JG-to8sp
      @JG-to8sp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Computer Aided World I hadn’t realised Fisher Price had built an actual real record player, I was referring to the proper kids toy, with the chunky plastic discs, the arm on that was hefty!

  • @bald_engineer
    @bald_engineer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Segment at 3:11 was the best thing ever! Still laughing out loud.

    • @moneyprofessional
      @moneyprofessional 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yep hilarious. Had to rewind and watch it again. Hilarious and I'm sure very true.

  • @gamerfreakUK
    @gamerfreakUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for this video. I have some limited edition vinyl from a little-known artist shipping from the States to here in the UK and I’ve never owned my own record player before. I’m not looking to spending a huge amount of money on a vinyl record player & speakers and saw some great looking suitcase-style players on eBay and Facebook Marketplace. The prices fit what I wanted my budget to be very well and came on here to look up reviews on them. Your video was the first one I tapped on and I’m very glad I did as the last thing I want is for the records to be damaged in any way.
    Again, thank you so much for making us less-knowledgable folk aware of the issue.

  • @sbrazenor2
    @sbrazenor2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    Vwestlife made a similar video about these previously. He did mention part of the problem is the cartridge. They're like a cheap ceramic, which there are old pre-amps for, but they otherwise sound like crap with the imcompatible pre-amp.

    • @wisteela
      @wisteela 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Exactly. The one in my 1988 Philips midi system actually sounds good. It's sprung mount too.

    • @1979starscream
      @1979starscream 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Also they mounted the cheapest needle ever made, a sub par chuo denshi clone!

    • @beetooex
      @beetooex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's really useful to know. Thanks.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You can hear the difference in audio quality from an LP if you have used it on a good deck, and then play it once on a bad deck and finally play it on a good deck again. The difference in sound is the damage that the nasty cartridge and deck have done. I have around 500 LP's, some of them from the 1950’s, and in near perfect condition, and wouldn't play any of them on one of those nasty decks.

    • @Tedybear315
      @Tedybear315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      He also tried to defend the turn table as not being "junk" and the fact the stylus/tone arm was on the upper end of way to much tracking force wasn't an issue and wouldn't destroy records. Which of course is complete 'rubbish' statement. All the local vintage vinyl stores will tell it's customers never to buy one of those "crap in a box" for that reason. But VWestlife said "no problem...." and sense he's got a following, people believe him.
      Main reason why I un-sub'd from his channel. He lost a lot of credibility. That's like telling people that the "YUGO" was a decent car!

  • @russputin6294
    @russputin6294 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Good rule of thumb is avoid ceramic / piezo pick-up cartridges. A moving magnet cartridge (usually evidenced by the two retaining screws in the head-shell) really is a minimum standard.

    • @ccadam
      @ccadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not all moving magnet cartridges have the standard 2 screw half inch spaced mount. Some turntables with similar thin aluminium tonearms and non adjustable counterweights have the magnetic cartridge glued, screwed or clipped to the headshell.

  • @TransistorBased
    @TransistorBased 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've got one built into a suitcase with Bluetooth functionality. Sound quality and speakers are all right for just listening to music while cleaning or doing stuff around the house. What I did like though is that you can adjust each of the records speeds individually. So I was able to get it dialed in by just pitch correcting a record against a digital version of the song.
    It's definitely not hifi but it does the job.

  • @htgaines
    @htgaines 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    i remember the old cheap 70s compact stereos that would include a relatively inexpensive phonograph mechanism from BSR, but they were worlds away better than this. Thanks for making people aware.

    • @michaelmcdonald2348
      @michaelmcdonald2348 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Even the last cheap BSR idler drive decks had a spring to adjust the weight and the arm had a metal sleeve bearing. I remember we bought an Amstrad tower in the early 80's and chose the Belt Drive model. The deck was no better than the crap shown here and lasted about a year before the speed switch went flaky.

    • @eblackadder3
      @eblackadder3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would go to a second hand store and buy an old 1970s BSR compact unit before I would EVER throw money away on a "Crosley" or 'Victrola" POS. It's an insult to those respected old names (How did RCA Trademark Management or Sony Music Entertainment manage not to retain the Victrola trademark?).

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    "A turntable so bad, you shouldn't even play a chocolate record on it, because it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth!" 😉

  • @Andystonemusic
    @Andystonemusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you. I have reposted it on my fb page to warn people adding that: if you are on a tight budget is to buy some thing second hand ANYTHING but of of these! (Even the autochangers from the 50s &60s were 10x better!)

    • @ccadam
      @ccadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The auto changers often had better arms especially on the top of the line models. Better cartridges too. Some magnetic.

  • @seadragon1012
    @seadragon1012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    well great just checked my record player and guess what it has. What a lovely thing to find out on my birthday! I've been wanting a better one anyway, now I have a good excuse.

  • @StairStealer
    @StairStealer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My first (and only) record player uses one of these. I got it for about $30 Canadian, including shipping. It's served me well and I think I got value for my money, although my hearing isn't great having spent just a little too much time in drumlines, so I'm just as happy with a terrible cassette player as the best hifi systems. It was just neat seeing how the mechanism works, and gaining experience using one.

  • @the20thDoctor
    @the20thDoctor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Me, looking over at my Victrola:
    "Aw crap..."

    • @Techmoan
      @Techmoan  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm sure you'll be happy to know your that your trust in a long long long dead brand name helped make one chap become a millionaire www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2018/08/06/vinyl-visionary-how-a-digital-dealmaker-revived-victrola/?sh=dea3abe4dee2

    • @ccadam
      @ccadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Craptrola radiotvphononut calls them

  • @Rutherford_Inchworm_III
    @Rutherford_Inchworm_III 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    *unless you enjoy disappointment
    HAH, joke's on you! 2020 turned me into a masochist.

    • @bjornnilsson8352
      @bjornnilsson8352 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Funniest comment on the interwebs for the day LOL

  • @MichaelWilson-fg9df
    @MichaelWilson-fg9df 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thank you for creating and editing this short-form PSA.
    This is the linkable sort of thing that can help rebut against the garbage recommendations.

  • @SparkyDabs
    @SparkyDabs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for making this! I will be sending this video to many people in the future haha

  • @TeaObvious
    @TeaObvious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Watched the original video, but it was worth to be watched again. If not just alone to convince the algorithm.

  • @stevemorris187
    @stevemorris187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Superb rant and great information for people who didn't grow up in the golden age of hifi (1970's/80's).

  • @maverick_motors_
    @maverick_motors_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So glad you made a video on this that's short! Now whenever I say to someone, don't buy something cheap and bad I can show them this!

  • @wisteela
    @wisteela 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An excellent PSA.
    Vwestlife recently did a video about the origins of these. I've got a 1988 Philips Midi System that has one of the original ones of these. It's most like a BSR. The thing is, it actually sounds rather good. It helps that mine is even sprung mount.

  • @telefonbarmann4514
    @telefonbarmann4514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thanks for pointing this out!

  • @j.resihead1835
    @j.resihead1835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The thought of putting one of my records on one of these makes me cringe.

  • @jeremytravis360
    @jeremytravis360 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your straight forward approach Mat.

  • @GarudaPhoenix
    @GarudaPhoenix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well said as always. No snobbery, just an honest and truthful summary. 👍👍

  • @HughRaine
    @HughRaine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When you recognise your beloved little record player in the video and it's trash...

  • @netsurferx1
    @netsurferx1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    'Least you vinyl enthusiasts have a choice.
    Meanwhile, us audiocassette enthusiasts over here are stuck with the nasty Tanashin mechanism.

    • @1008md
      @1008md 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's true, I have a new Sony boombox (the one you will find at walmart) as well a sony walkman (made mid 90's I assume) I am hoping with tapes continuing to grow year after year that it a decent player will surface. Unfortunately by the time that happens (if it does) the tape bubble will crash and labels will quite making tapes...

  • @mrrgstuff
    @mrrgstuff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well said. As you say its all too easy to buy one of these. There aren't very many other options. I have played with a few of these and I think only the speed and autostop are adjustable. I also get lots of comments on my videos asking for help as people often run into problems with them. Thanks 😀 👍

  • @Space_Debris
    @Space_Debris 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's nearly nothing better selling this video than the thumbnail! Excellent!

  • @michaelallard5324
    @michaelallard5324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well, I can't complain too much. I own 2 Technics TTs that I love but I also own some albums that I can't play on those due to slight warps and imperfections that I missed seeing when I bought them at secondhand stores. Wife bought me a Crosley Cruiser and I did find some benefits out of it because I play those records without a care in the world. Those imperfections don't seem to matter to that cheap mechanism Techmoan talks about. And you can get some decent sounds out of it when it is paired with decent electronics. My first stereo when I was a kid had slightly more tracking force than those cheap mechanisms and my vinyl collection then was fine, no damage.

  • @Doggies-Galore
    @Doggies-Galore 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two techmoan videos in one day. It’s a New Year’s miracle

  • @sourgrapekate1003
    @sourgrapekate1003 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ran over to my Sony to see if it was that mechanism. I paid around $75 for mine, so I was worried. I lifted up the plastic mat and was surprised to see metal underneath instead of plastic. I was fully expecting to find that plastic mechanism. I even was looking at direct drive turntables online! Glad to know I’m not abusing my vinyl too much.

  • @unclemarksdiyauto
    @unclemarksdiyauto 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info especially for first time buyers. Spend a little more and get something that will not harm your precious vinyl. Turntable should be worth more than the record! I remember in the old days going to a hifi shop and getting the tour of what was available and actually getting to hear the differences. (really the best way to buy)

  • @nutsnproud6932
    @nutsnproud6932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    This is a cost reduced clone of a 1980s turntable by BSR.

    • @chickenfizz
      @chickenfizz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you know which model BSR? They made some bad players but I don't remember seeing one as bad as this.

    • @HowardLeVert
      @HowardLeVert 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chickenfizz Have a look here - suggested it's a P284: th-cam.com/video/1YIX5-CwhqM/w-d-xo.html

    • @MrWolfenz
      @MrWolfenz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/1YIX5-CwhqM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=VWestlife

  • @thatrecord5313
    @thatrecord5313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I got a Victrola-Crosley as my first record player, I was a poor kid and that was high quality. But 5 years later, I bought a much better turntable... I don't know why I've been missing out all this time!

  • @dr_jaymz
    @dr_jaymz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I found a linear tracking Technics for spares or repair for little more than that. Threw the cracked top away and put the belt back on which had come off, gave it a good clean and a bit of clean grease and that was all it needed. It sounds better than my ears. It somehow makes how it works visible to the children - they can see and feel the music on the disc - that is magic.

  • @nickmoschetti2977
    @nickmoschetti2977 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoy watching ur videos always insightful with good knowledge

  • @cowcrapper
    @cowcrapper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Show this to every would be vinyl buyer. Glad you made it a separate thing as well.

  • @romandjma.recordplayers7806
    @romandjma.recordplayers7806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've never agreed with a rant so much

  • @RobGMyMX5
    @RobGMyMX5 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They've been making these for many years, both in belt drive and direct drive variations. I have a direct drive version which I bought in the 90s as a young DJ with "Reloop" branding. It still works fine, even today, although the strobe is a bit temperamental now. Everything else still works perfectly though, and that's after lugging it around to gigs for many years. I did upgrade the stylus to a proper DJ one.

  • @WalrusFPGA
    @WalrusFPGA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    good idea making this into its own video. good info given how common these scat platters are.

  • @OrangeHarrisonRB3
    @OrangeHarrisonRB3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I always thought these existed to take advantage of hipsters who want a "vinyls player" just for cred.

    • @Thievius333
      @Thievius333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @James Doolittle Or LPs, but yes. I also HATE when I find out the record I just bought is bright purple or green or whetever. So dumb.

    • @OrangeHarrisonRB3
      @OrangeHarrisonRB3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @James Doolittle way to miss the point, grandpa

    • @ccadam
      @ccadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably why a lot of girls buy them.

    • @ccadam
      @ccadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Might be the final time they play their vinyls if they keep skipping or worst still get scratched up.

    • @TheWeirdAlley
      @TheWeirdAlley 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ccadam internet is full of sexists and you are one of them

  • @roland985
    @roland985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks Techmoan!

  • @MrDDawson
    @MrDDawson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been expecting this one for a while. Good work.

  • @timlarabee1710
    @timlarabee1710 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So funny. When I saw the original video and thought it would be great to have a separate video with the psa. I had people reach out to me during the holidays to buy record players. Thos sums up why not to be the cheap ones.

  • @berkkarsi
    @berkkarsi ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My parents bought me a record player with this cheap mechanism as a Christmas present for 2022. My heart sank.

  • @todanielharrow
    @todanielharrow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oh damn I think my record player has one of these mechanisms 😅

  • @danielarturofajardojaramil4393
    @danielarturofajardojaramil4393 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love turntables. Thanks for the advice and also thanks for all your vids, they are great

  • @bigmouthstrikesagain4056
    @bigmouthstrikesagain4056 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Once again a great and informative video as always.

  • @CatGoomba64
    @CatGoomba64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I actually have one of these (or a very similar model, looks nearly identical but has a few subtle differences), and while yeah it works fine most of the time, there's a few things that really urk me. The sound quality, usually is very tinny, however sometimes it sounds completely fine. May vary by the record, I don't entirely know. However, the needle itself is utter garbage and feels beyond flimsy. It's served me well but I'll be ditching it in the coming months for something a little nicer now that I actually have some money

  • @chrisp7570
    @chrisp7570 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My daughter bought one in a “suitcase”. Measured 9 grams of tracking force. Ouch!

  • @ronnyb5890
    @ronnyb5890 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    yep youre quite right Matt, im not worried, i still have my orange looking TEAC record player from back then, the best record players however are the ones that have quartz direct drive motors, but these now cost an arm and a leg,i keep my turntable until all my records are converted in digital format,preferably FLAC,cheers

  • @lulublue3750
    @lulublue3750 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just came across this while trying to work out if my record player I've had about a month is salvageable or if I should buy a new one. I now know it's probably not and what to look out for when getting a new one, thank you!

  • @slotec
    @slotec 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this made me love my philips 222 even more.

  • @weirdproq
    @weirdproq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:15 My favorite part. LOL!

  • @haroldalexis4200
    @haroldalexis4200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, what comments! It's a shame that the older models like BSR went away from England & later sold to China! The later equipment that you reviewed cheapened the quàlity of the former brand. I fortunately saved a metal platter version that survives to this day with a much better quality tone arm chrome metal plays well. Not a Technics or Audio Technica but 3 adjustable record sizes. I didn't pay much for it but it was well worth it, oh I forgot to mention it's a convertible record changer minus the umbrella spindle. A good cartridge heavy motor but I love it! Believe me I collected them for years. I respect your opinion on this chassis model believe me I understand that 100%.👍

  • @spoffproduction
    @spoffproduction 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Short and sweet! :D
    I ♥ your work!

  • @shardlake
    @shardlake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Watched this despite watching the original, do like a good TM rant, and in this case will save you wasting your money, bonus!

  • @fortherecord1569
    @fortherecord1569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    It IS a "toy" isn't it? Its like an RC car. Yes it drives, but it you shouldn't actually try to USE it for transportation!

  • @JonnyMorgan18
    @JonnyMorgan18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I bought an ion bluetooth player about 6 years ago for £100 with the same crap mechanism. I didn't know about them then. It plays my dad's old Satus Quo just fine but anything new with deep bass has it doing it's best Torvill and Dean impersonation, skating all over my expensive new records. I tried a DIY tracking force adjustment with pennies as weights but it doesn't work. Stay well away unless the last record you bought was in Woolworths in the 70s dressed in full denim.

  • @donkmeister
    @donkmeister 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With all your videos demonstrating how to clean out pulleys and replace perished belts, unstick mechanisms etc, I think a lot of people should be considering used turntables off the usual auction sites, or even out of their parents'/grandparents' lofts. Turntables really reached the peak of good quality vs reasonable cost at some point in the 1970s or 80s, and there are literally thousands of players of this vintage boxed up out of sight.
    I've still got the Sherwood deck I bought at Richer Sounds in 1996; it hasn't been switched on since 2004 so I think I will doing some maintenance on it before I set it up again, but hopefully a bit of de-dusting and a new belt and I'll be away.

  • @DANGERTIM112
    @DANGERTIM112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Shame that we dont have the 80/90's tech these days anymore in manufacturering, and most products being designed for tossing away when a new model comes out.

    • @daftbence
      @daftbence 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Turns out this one was designed mid 80s. Who woulda thought?

    • @Kalvinjj
      @Kalvinjj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@daftbence looks to me like they just recycled the design tho and kept cheapening it out more and more till we got to... this.
      I mean, not like they didn't have awful cheap crap back then either, just the race for the bottom never ends.

    • @bradjones1977
      @bradjones1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Sony (of all people!) one I had in the mid 90s was one of these. That telltale line on the top of the head section of the tonearm. It was like listening to an AM radio underwater. Probably.

    • @donpalmera
      @donpalmera 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would you want a smartphone made with 80/90s *superior* manufacturing? No, it would be the same size as luggage and need it's own set of wheels.
      Other than certain companies, like Apple, it's not that things are being made with the explicit intention of being non-user serviceable it's that not even the smallest Chinese child labor hands can service modern stuff outside of replacing complex components entirely.

    • @nvo7024
      @nvo7024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@donpalmera Well of course complex components like processors or memory ICs or touchsreens must be replaced entirely. That's not new, a dead vacuum tube had to be replaced in its entirety too. And by 1980s we already had mass-market microprocessors and FL displays that were just as "serviceable" as iphone processors or touchscreens.

  • @clementinefart5982
    @clementinefart5982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "The record that they bought is worth more than the record player that they put it on.". Me with a record player with that exact mechanism: yeah that's about right

  • @chartle1
    @chartle1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was in a huge furniture store yesterday and a console record player caught my eye and then recalled this video and took some pics.
    And while the design was slightly different but the straight arm, the switches and placement of the 45 adapter where the same.

  • @transtar_lexington
    @transtar_lexington ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun fact- These mechs started out as low end BSR changers back in the early 80s. Similar to the Tanashin cassette mechanism, this BSR turntable mech has been transferred between several companies over the years, getting cheaper along the way.

  • @cjmarsh504
    @cjmarsh504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That turntable you reviewed, was a pretty decent for the money.

    • @Sun-ut9gr
      @Sun-ut9gr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, it wasn't. That was the whole point of the video.

    • @ElectromasterTech
      @ElectromasterTech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Sun-ut9gr OP is talking about the turntable from the previous video, the Dual one

  • @linusevosonic
    @linusevosonic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First thing my mom bought from her first wage was a Dual record player. She always tells me they builded the best record players here in germany.

    • @elderherrera2238
      @elderherrera2238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice, great TT. They were called Dual because they had a wind up motor as well as an electric. They're an excellent and overlooked TT. I had about 5 of them. They're fun to work with. I know the ins and out.

  • @WildBluntHickok
    @WildBluntHickok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The night before this was posted I saw a turntable with this mechanism in a bin by the curb outside someone's house. I considered dragging it home and trying to fix it. Glad I was too lazy to bring it home.

  • @spellxthief
    @spellxthief 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    my sister and her bf got me my first player, a 7in1 victrola record player because i just started collecting some vinyl, and i'm very thankful and appreciative but i'm not sure if i'll put my records through it. the blutooth, radio, and cassette features are all being used and enjoyed! probably going to thrift some beater records for it!

  • @AmigaA-or2hj
    @AmigaA-or2hj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They’re fine for playing 78s.

  • @Sampler19
    @Sampler19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This video would be perfect for some kind of second PSA channel called "Technoman"!

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like what you did there. 😉👍

    • @Sampler19
      @Sampler19 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I almost forgot he's alreeady got his "TH-cam Pedant" channel with the HD material of New York City from 1993 in HD (DTheater DVHS Demo Tape).

  • @livingmaga6299
    @livingmaga6299 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just bought Denon 47f from Japan because of your past review. 👍 Strange package smelled like fine Cigars when it arrived lol!

  • @hansmuller4906
    @hansmuller4906 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My first record player had this garbage mechanism. I bought it at the local electronics store (Mediamarkt in Germany) and it cost me a 150 euros brand new. It couldn't play a new record because it kept skipping on a small little scratch. I'm now the proud owner of an at lp120 and it's just so much better with anti skating I can finally hear all the old records without them skipping. BTW use a blank cd to set your antiskating, my dial on my audio technica was quite a bit off from the optimal settings for my tracking weight.

  • @imploud
    @imploud 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    3:16 - "and they go: HufFuhH, aNd thEY'r beING veRy caRRefoul witH IT"

    • @Wolficefang
      @Wolficefang 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I love how he just puts it down haphazardly after that.

  • @junglejamesie
    @junglejamesie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had one of these mechanisms in an Amstrad "hi-fi" in 1988, except it was even cheaper and nastier than this one. The "tonearm" was completely plastic instead of the metal tube shown here. Alan Michael Sugar obviously keen to save even more pennies. That was the last time I wasted money on crap hifi. Bought a cheap set of proper components from Richer Sounds and have never looked back. Depressing to see these cheap mechanisms so abundant today, they should've been consigned to histories dumping ground.

  • @monsirto
    @monsirto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great PSA. Nothing wrong with a Golden Age CDC, Sony, Akai or Aiwa semi-automatic, if you want a cheap turntable that does the job. Quite few reconditioned ones floating around most places, most of the time.

  • @reedolightningweaver2732
    @reedolightningweaver2732 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I get that the mechanism is cheap, but with so many vinyl enthusiasts dissing on them, I’d love to see a thorough breakdown of how their cheapness impacts audio output, and ideally a digital recording of the audio output from one of these cheapos and from a better turntable so we could hear the difference for ourselves. Kinda surprised nobody had done that already, but I can’t seem to find one.

    • @thatradiogeek
      @thatradiogeek 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've been looking for the same thing. Everyone says these things are bad, but no one explains exactly WHY these things are supposedly so bad. The one I have works well enough. It's not amazing but it does what I need it to do.

  • @chriso2705
    @chriso2705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oooh! A double feature today.

  • @theomacer3094
    @theomacer3094 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    PSA: How the turntables have turned

  • @chrisbaker121924
    @chrisbaker121924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Couldn’t agree more... the amount of people who are like “omg I just love vinyl, CDs and tapes and streaming are awful I only listen to vinyl blah blah, look at my record deck...” and it’s one of these effin things built into some retro box with tiny useless speakers.
    Literally would have been better off with a couple of cheap second hand reasonably sized speakers and an amp streaming music from your phone.

  • @giantnegro
    @giantnegro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just took apart my older, cheap record player to get it working again. As expected, I had to listen to a play-by-play narration of the repair in my head in your voice. So, thanks for that, I suppose. I was lucky that it didn’t require a new belt. Curiously, the grease on the spindle had turned into a viscous sludge. I clean and regressed it and now it works a good as new (which was never that good).

  • @mwiz100
    @mwiz100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I cannot tell you how many of my friends I see posting on social media about their records and they have a Crosley, which I just looked on their site and HALF the units they sell have this exact piece of trash in them. OOooofff.

  • @PabloBD
    @PabloBD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We clearly need more vintage techmoan family photos

  • @whatsthatjeff4901
    @whatsthatjeff4901 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, keep them coming!

  • @ynotw57
    @ynotw57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two new Techmoan videos in one day?! It’s like Christmas!

  • @haywoodjablome440
    @haywoodjablome440 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *sigh* my wife just bought one of these. No receipt.

  • @JimSmith-ie7uv
    @JimSmith-ie7uv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm a bit disappointed, I expected you to smash this thing on the floor at the end.

    • @catfish552
      @catfish552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Run it over with a steamroller like the 8-Bit Guy did with that crappy "boombox".

  • @beveradamab1
    @beveradamab1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was great information. Thanks!

  • @edinborogh
    @edinborogh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    happy 2021 Mat!