We got one of these in our old colonial home and it's done very well. We have the furnace set take over at 10F and we've reduced our propane usage so much our dealer is taking their tank back.
Bosch also just released a cold climate heat pump for any of you Northerners that may watch this video. I know nothing about these but they are a thing it would appear
By far the least problematic, most efficient, most comfortable, most straightforward unit ever. Compared to Daikin fits or Lennox communicating system where they ramp up and down and modulate the temp split drastically, I’ve seen as low as a 8 degree temp split on a Daikin, the Bosch will quietly be running in the background maintain a 120 degree coil temp keeping the house comfortable. I absolutely love the equipment and stand by it.
I have one of these at my property in upstate PA. It's on a mountain with constant wind and it gets very cold there in the winter time. It heating bill is only about $200 a month
That’s a good surge protector, In our area we can’t install them at the bottom of the disconnect. Bosch makes a great unit, one of the best as to “bang for your buck”. Though in more humid areas you can get elevated humidity if you’re not careful.
@@JoeB3 I didn’t install this one the electrician did. Other people said the thing about bottom of the disconnect and honestly I did not know that was the case
I've been searching around on this humidity issue for my Bosch AC units. Other than switching on SW4-4 (Accelerated Cooling) to lower the target coil temp and get better humidity removal, is there anything else to do on this unit? (besides lowering airflow speed). What is SW4-3 and does that help?
boscg is great for a dry climate that requires heating-high desert is perfect. but lets be honest, for the same reasons ists great in salt lake s]city, it sucks in miami- you are sweating all the time-its is, by nature, not abel to address much latent heat esp in truck season..
@@SurfBrosHVAC oki doki surf bro! lol just out of curiosity how much does that pretty condenser fan motor cost? or a replacement inverter when it shorts out in 5 years?
From my experience, I've stopped selling them all together! Absolute Chinese low quality parts! Also, be sure to check the engineering data for the actual output of the units because they are incredibly low compared to the other equipment available out there. Not to mention the improperly written manuals that provide incorrect information! This is a Midea, not a quality piece of equipment!
What issues have you had? We've had none to date. They are produced by Midea and so yes the product does in fact have many similar traits but they are built to a much higher spec. If you have seen Midea systems and Bosch systems next to each other you'll see that there are almost no similarities between the two besides the outer shell.
@SurfBrosHVAC they've been a complete mess. Loose blower wheels, bent blower wheels and motor brackets, evaporator coil leaks, control board failures, etc. I tried uploading some pictures, but TH-cam deleted the link. One of the worst problems is that the instruction manuals have incorrect information for some of the units, namely the packaged heat pumps. It's just a mess, it's cost me a ton of money and I'm done selling their garbage. The biggest issue I have with their garbage is that it has extremely low capacity when compared to other similarly sized equipment. For example, the five ton package unit has a capacity of 40.1 KBTU in the summer. That's just not enough. Be careful!
straw man comparing to single stage-of course its better-and check the recent price bosch price increases -plus vet your installer carefully bosch will sell to anyone who can fog a mirror and has a credit card.
The reason I compared it to single stage stuff is because if you get the 15 SEER Bosch unit for about the same price, or in some cases cheaper, then most major brands single stage units. In addition to this it is the same square shape and wires up and brazes in just like typical box style units. There is nothing fancy you have to do to install these and they usually operate above sticker efficiency. This is probably not the case in more extreme climates where they will have to run at max output most of the summer to keep up but in a temperate climate these work great. They are an easy way to get most of the benefits of an inverter system without having to pay a bunch of money to make changes to existing things in the home. I pay: $2649 for a 5 ton 15 SEER Bosch outdoor unit $3312 for a 5 ton 14 SEER Trane outdoor unit $2509 for a 5 ton 14.3 SEER2 Goodman outdoor unit When looking at price point vs other outdoor unit options I think the Bosch tends to be a good choice and stays in an affordable budget. Obviously you can get a fully communicating system installed in a home but in many cases people either do not want to spend the money or simply can't afford it
for a european HVAC tech this stuff is old junk. in my country it would not evne be legal to sell it because of its inefficientcy. that the compressor has a inverter is like the lowest of the lowest tier. if you want something proper you get a unit from mitsubishi electric (or mitsubishi heavy industries, not the same company) or even a daikin. a modern outdoor unit from a brand like that is vastly more efficient and a LOT quieter than this rebaged whatever it is.
Funny you should say that as we are a Mitsubishi dealer. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint to switch to mini splits every time because homes here were originally built to accommodate a central system. We primarily install Mitsubishi and Daikin when we are starting from scratch so it's funny those are the two brands you mention
@@SurfBrosHVAC both brands sell sattelite units you can mount in a roof on the existing ductwork. its extremely common for commerical units, just not in residential in europe. thinking actual modern units is ductless only is weird as high wall units (wich you are implying) are not that common here, most are sattelites, 4 way units in ceilings or even floor units that replace normal radiators simply because high walls are just fug ugly. a notable advantage is that you can use multiple units to direct cooling or heating to zones or even individual rooms with minimal effort. it increases effeciency greatly as you dont have to heat or cool the entire home but can focus on the living room and office and have the bedrooms (for example) on another unit.
That's not at all what I was implying. We actually do all kinds of Mitsubishi products. The issue with compatibility lies more in how the home is currently setup. On the unit in the video the house already had the electrical circuits and extensive ductwork that we were reusing. The location for the indoor unit needed a 60k BTU system. Mitsubishi does make units this big but as far as I know there are no 1 to 1 ducted systems produced by Mitsubishi that could have worked in this instance so we would've had to do a multi zone system and essentially start from scratch. This would have nearly doubled the installation cost for the homeowner. While we do like multi zone systems it just is not always financially prudent to do this option depending on the home. Mitsubishi is the only brand we are a dealer for and you are super right about the efficiencies and noise on them they are the best and that is why we are a dealer. We do the cassette units -what you called satellite- as well as ducted units produced by Mitsubishi and we like them both. The next unit I am hoping to do a video on is the Mitsubishi SVZ
@@SurfBrosHVAC i dont mean (visible) 1 or 4 way cassetes, i mean actual sattelite units meant for fitting in attics and above office ceilings and fir directly to (existing) ductwork. it allows you to just toss out the entire existing unit and with simple sheetwork and/or some hoses to be mounted to a standard sattelite. if you run into capacity issues you can even double up. yes it adds a bit of cost but the savings on the power bill should easely cover that for the owner. that is something the sales guy needs to work on. spending 10 bucks now to save 25 bucks later is a good deal. but i also understand that americans REALLY are into instant gratification so it will remain a struggle. for me its the reverse. i could not even give units like this bosch away, nobody would want it because of the ROI being garbage compared to a proper mitsubishi. ps: requiring 17kW units in a home is dumb. the owner can save a LOT of money spending 2k on insulation and a smaller unit that is cheaper to run. or just keep the unit running all day at lower power. starting with a cool house is cheaper to cool than trying to cool a hot house wihen its hot outside.
We got one of these in our old colonial home and it's done very well. We have the furnace set take over at 10F and we've reduced our propane usage so much our dealer is taking their tank back.
Bosch also just released a cold climate heat pump for any of you Northerners that may watch this video. I know nothing about these but they are a thing it would appear
By far the least problematic, most efficient, most comfortable, most straightforward unit ever. Compared to Daikin fits or Lennox communicating system where they ramp up and down and modulate the temp split drastically, I’ve seen as low as a 8 degree temp split on a Daikin, the Bosch will quietly be running in the background maintain a 120 degree coil temp keeping the house comfortable. I absolutely love the equipment and stand by it.
130 degrees F, 45 degrees Vapor Saturation temperature
I have one of these at my property in upstate PA. It's on a mountain with constant wind and it gets very cold there in the winter time. It heating bill is only about $200 a month
That’s a good surge protector, In our area we can’t install them at the bottom of the disconnect.
Bosch makes a great unit, one of the best as to “bang for your buck”. Though in more humid areas you can get elevated humidity if you’re not careful.
@@JoeB3 I didn’t install this one the electrician did. Other people said the thing about bottom of the disconnect and honestly I did not know that was the case
I've been searching around on this humidity issue for my Bosch AC units. Other than switching on SW4-4 (Accelerated Cooling) to lower the target coil temp and get better humidity removal, is there anything else to do on this unit? (besides lowering airflow speed). What is SW4-3 and does that help?
boscg is great for a dry climate that requires heating-high desert is perfect. but lets be honest, for the same reasons ists great in salt lake s]city, it sucks in miami- you are sweating all the time-its is, by nature, not abel to address much latent heat esp in truck season..
lol give it 3 years............ that unit is a nightmare! and good luck trying to find parts
Will update. We’ve done a bunch of these and no issues to date
@@SurfBrosHVAC oki doki surf bro! lol just out of curiosity how much does that pretty condenser fan motor cost? or a replacement inverter when it shorts out in 5 years?
From my experience, I've stopped selling them all together!
Absolute Chinese low quality parts!
Also, be sure to check the engineering data for the actual output of the units because they are incredibly low compared to the other equipment available out there.
Not to mention the improperly written manuals that provide incorrect information!
This is a Midea, not a quality piece of equipment!
What issues have you had? We've had none to date. They are produced by Midea and so yes the product does in fact have many similar traits but they are built to a much higher spec. If you have seen Midea systems and Bosch systems next to each other you'll see that there are almost no similarities between the two besides the outer shell.
@SurfBrosHVAC they've been a complete mess. Loose blower wheels, bent blower wheels and motor brackets, evaporator coil leaks, control board failures, etc.
I tried uploading some pictures, but TH-cam deleted the link.
One of the worst problems is that the instruction manuals have incorrect information for some of the units, namely the packaged heat pumps.
It's just a mess, it's cost me a ton of money and I'm done selling their garbage.
The biggest issue I have with their garbage is that it has extremely low capacity when compared to other similarly sized equipment. For example, the five ton package unit has a capacity of 40.1 KBTU in the summer. That's just not enough. Be careful!
straw man comparing to single stage-of course its better-and check the recent price bosch price increases -plus vet your installer carefully bosch will sell to anyone who can fog a mirror and has a credit card.
The reason I compared it to single stage stuff is because if you get the 15 SEER Bosch unit for about the same price, or in some cases cheaper, then most major brands single stage units. In addition to this it is the same square shape and wires up and brazes in just like typical box style units. There is nothing fancy you have to do to install these and they usually operate above sticker efficiency. This is probably not the case in more extreme climates where they will have to run at max output most of the summer to keep up but in a temperate climate these work great. They are an easy way to get most of the benefits of an inverter system without having to pay a bunch of money to make changes to existing things in the home.
I pay:
$2649 for a 5 ton 15 SEER Bosch outdoor unit
$3312 for a 5 ton 14 SEER Trane outdoor unit
$2509 for a 5 ton 14.3 SEER2 Goodman outdoor unit
When looking at price point vs other outdoor unit options I think the Bosch tends to be a good choice and stays in an affordable budget. Obviously you can get a fully communicating system installed in a home but in many cases people either do not want to spend the money or simply can't afford it
for a european HVAC tech this stuff is old junk. in my country it would not evne be legal to sell it because of its inefficientcy. that the compressor has a inverter is like the lowest of the lowest tier. if you want something proper you get a unit from mitsubishi electric (or mitsubishi heavy industries, not the same company) or even a daikin. a modern outdoor unit from a brand like that is vastly more efficient and a LOT quieter than this rebaged whatever it is.
Funny you should say that as we are a Mitsubishi dealer. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint to switch to mini splits every time because homes here were originally built to accommodate a central system. We primarily install Mitsubishi and Daikin when we are starting from scratch so it's funny those are the two brands you mention
@@SurfBrosHVAC both brands sell sattelite units you can mount in a roof on the existing ductwork. its extremely common for commerical units, just not in residential in europe. thinking actual modern units is ductless only is weird as high wall units (wich you are implying) are not that common here, most are sattelites, 4 way units in ceilings or even floor units that replace normal radiators simply because high walls are just fug ugly. a notable advantage is that you can use multiple units to direct cooling or heating to zones or even individual rooms with minimal effort. it increases effeciency greatly as you dont have to heat or cool the entire home but can focus on the living room and office and have the bedrooms (for example) on another unit.
That's not at all what I was implying. We actually do all kinds of Mitsubishi products. The issue with compatibility lies more in how the home is currently setup. On the unit in the video the house already had the electrical circuits and extensive ductwork that we were reusing. The location for the indoor unit needed a 60k BTU system. Mitsubishi does make units this big but as far as I know there are no 1 to 1 ducted systems produced by Mitsubishi that could have worked in this instance so we would've had to do a multi zone system and essentially start from scratch. This would have nearly doubled the installation cost for the homeowner.
While we do like multi zone systems it just is not always financially prudent to do this option depending on the home. Mitsubishi is the only brand we are a dealer for and you are super right about the efficiencies and noise on them they are the best and that is why we are a dealer. We do the cassette units -what you called satellite- as well as ducted units produced by Mitsubishi and we like them both. The next unit I am hoping to do a video on is the Mitsubishi SVZ
@@SurfBrosHVAC i dont mean (visible) 1 or 4 way cassetes, i mean actual sattelite units meant for fitting in attics and above office ceilings and fir directly to (existing) ductwork. it allows you to just toss out the entire existing unit and with simple sheetwork and/or some hoses to be mounted to a standard sattelite. if you run into capacity issues you can even double up. yes it adds a bit of cost but the savings on the power bill should easely cover that for the owner. that is something the sales guy needs to work on. spending 10 bucks now to save 25 bucks later is a good deal. but i also understand that americans REALLY are into instant gratification so it will remain a struggle. for me its the reverse. i could not even give units like this bosch away, nobody would want it because of the ROI being garbage compared to a proper mitsubishi. ps: requiring 17kW units in a home is dumb. the owner can save a LOT of money spending 2k on insulation and a smaller unit that is cheaper to run. or just keep the unit running all day at lower power. starting with a cool house is cheaper to cool than trying to cool a hot house wihen its hot outside.
HVAC is a pure scam in the US. They install this junk because they would get good kick backs from manufacturers