Computer Othello was actually found all the way back in 2023: th-cam.com/video/6RopNSjcdgU/w-d-xo.html I am a complete hack. I don't know how I even manage to make these mistakes, I do a lot of research, but it's my fault for treating this like a minor topic, being like "let's just get the Nintendo games out of the way". This is easily the worst, most embarrassing mistake I've made so far, along with the Overlord thing in Basically Every LOST NES Game. Sorry about this!
The Japanese really embraced the video game business/industry as something more than a "Division of Time/Warner Entertainment," etc etc. They were able to keep up with the rapidly evolving/advancing computer technologies and create new games to take advantage of new hardware. That's a lot harder to do when you're a "Division of Such and Such and So and So."
This is a nice video and I wasn't aware of at least a couple of the lost games. Though some of the examples of discrete logic games are actually dumped and emulated. The small number of those games that have been found were just more complicated to figure out than those with a CPU. Pong and Breakout as you've shown are working in MAME, and there are a few other discrete logic games that run on DICE, another emulator that specializes in those type of games. And a side note: I think Break-Open might just be Atari's Breakout in a different cabinet since the screen and overlay look almost identical.
I think whether discrete logic games get dumped doesn't really have as much to do with the technology as much as it has to do with "is this game popular enough to go through the hassle of trying to dump?" That's why Pong and Breakout, the 2 definitive biggest games before Space Invaders are both dumped, while a bunch of these other games that are basically unknown, even by hardcore gamers, haven't.
Just to clarify, you cannot "dump" a discrete logic game any more than you can dump a physical object. A discrete logic game is a series of custom gears, while a microprocessor based game is a series of instructions to tell some gears how to ruun. You can technically emulate a TTL/Discrete logic game, but this isn't easy. It For this reason Western Gun is is not Gun Fight. If Western Gun is discrete logic and Gun Fight uses a CPU then they cannot be the same thing. Gun fight could be a port from Discrete Logic, but the games also don't look the same at all other than having a cowboy pointing a gun. Why would Midway license a game from Japan in an era when trademark wasn't strong and not use the technology or name or any other IP? Everyone makes this claim, so I don't know if it is true or just something repeated. But also Western Gun is the first game to use a CPU. So any arcade game before Western Gun is TTL for sure and is likely to be lost if it wasn't important enough for someone to emulate. A game like Galaxy Force is likely a ROM-hacked Space Invaders. Space Invaders runs on a CPU and was licensed to many companies to make exact copies, but these companies had limits on how many they could make and would often make gray market clones based on the original schematic which led to years of lawsuits.
Whether you emulate with FPGA or software it's rather irrelevant. FPGA aren't magic, they aren't "the real hardware". Discrete logic games commonly use analogue electronics in ways that don't directly map to FPGA digital logic. People need to do the work to translate the PCB into something that can run either way
One little correction. Genyo Takeda was the creator of the 1979 Nintendo arcade game "Sheriff," Miyamoto was just an artist for it. I think it was one of the first games Miyamoto helped make though.
"Yosaku" rom's are available, at least the rom's WERE available when I was building up a library for my Super RetroCade. I think the game is called "Yosaku to Donbei." I was looking for any ROM's I could find from the 1970s and 1980s.
That game was a shooter and on Space Invaders hardware. But you know what was emulated recently? The entire Cassette Vision lineup including Yosaku! I had a chance to play it, but it wasn't on MAME, rather it was a preliminary emulator called PD777.
Here's an interesting one you didn't mention: Tangram Q, by SNK. It was a 1983 puzzle game where you had to pick up a shape and place it in the box in the middle, and you have to try to make a bigger shape. No cabinets were manufactured at all, but there is a stand-up prototype and a cocktail prototype.
Runs smoother? You might mean the *gameplay* is smoother. The graphics of some of those logic based arcade game move in ways that look surreal. Look up some of the early 'Germlin Arcade' titles to see what I mean.
@@sirprower Yeah, but Sony doesn’t support Japanese games anymore, and most of the big AAA games don’t make it to the Switch despite how popular it is :/
Ive seen EVR race working on display working in a no recording area og nintendo kyoto like floor 3 or 4. I wish i never turned down that job. Not enough offer to relocate buy a car citizenship and langauge lessons. The japan rules for work visas and cituzenship are so strict. Place is filling up so bad that up up up up new and additional apartment buildings get made to pack everyone. If u plan to get longer then 3 months work papers they expect u to have a 30 minute language test in japanese only and worst part u fill out all the extension forms as u do the test and they in a different type. Ones katakana andbl the other is kanji
Oh, I thought you meant the actual meaning of lost: no known copies exist; not the Reddit "lost media" community meaning: not available to pirate freely on the internet.
Computer Othello was actually found all the way back in 2023: th-cam.com/video/6RopNSjcdgU/w-d-xo.html
I am a complete hack. I don't know how I even manage to make these mistakes, I do a lot of research, but it's my fault for treating this like a minor topic, being like "let's just get the Nintendo games out of the way". This is easily the worst, most embarrassing mistake I've made so far, along with the Overlord thing in Basically Every LOST NES Game. Sorry about this!
I love how most of the games are done by companies that are mostly popular now!
The Japanese really embraced the video game business/industry as something more than a "Division of Time/Warner Entertainment," etc etc. They were able to keep up with the rapidly evolving/advancing computer technologies and create new games to take advantage of new hardware. That's a lot harder to do when you're a "Division of Such and Such and So and So."
And this is why I love MAME the emulator teaches us how old arcade games where developed and how they worked
This is a nice video and I wasn't aware of at least a couple of the lost games. Though some of the examples of discrete logic games are actually dumped and emulated. The small number of those games that have been found were just more complicated to figure out than those with a CPU. Pong and Breakout as you've shown are working in MAME, and there are a few other discrete logic games that run on DICE, another emulator that specializes in those type of games. And a side note: I think Break-Open might just be Atari's Breakout in a different cabinet since the screen and overlay look almost identical.
I think whether discrete logic games get dumped doesn't really have as much to do with the technology as much as it has to do with "is this game popular enough to go through the hassle of trying to dump?" That's why Pong and Breakout, the 2 definitive biggest games before Space Invaders are both dumped, while a bunch of these other games that are basically unknown, even by hardcore gamers, haven't.
Great video good info no inconsistencies..... im subscribing
Just to clarify, you cannot "dump" a discrete logic game any more than you can dump a physical object. A discrete logic game is a series of custom gears, while a microprocessor based game is a series of instructions to tell some gears how to ruun. You can technically emulate a TTL/Discrete logic game, but this isn't easy. It
For this reason Western Gun is is not Gun Fight. If Western Gun is discrete logic and Gun Fight uses a CPU then they cannot be the same thing. Gun fight could be a port from Discrete Logic, but the games also don't look the same at all other than having a cowboy pointing a gun.
Why would Midway license a game from Japan in an era when trademark wasn't strong and not use the technology or name or any other IP? Everyone makes this claim, so I don't know if it is true or just something repeated. But also Western Gun is the first game to use a CPU.
So any arcade game before Western Gun is TTL for sure and is likely to be lost if it wasn't important enough for someone to emulate.
A game like Galaxy Force is likely a ROM-hacked Space Invaders. Space Invaders runs on a CPU and was licensed to many companies to make exact copies, but these companies had limits on how many they could make and would often make gray market clones based on the original schematic which led to years of lawsuits.
Then do get dumped, but it's usually into the scrap-metal facility or landfill.
Discrete logic games are exactly what FPGA will help preserve in the long term.
Whether you emulate with FPGA or software it's rather irrelevant. FPGA aren't magic, they aren't "the real hardware".
Discrete logic games commonly use analogue electronics in ways that don't directly map to FPGA digital logic.
People need to do the work to translate the PCB into something that can run either way
One little correction. Genyo Takeda was the creator of the 1979 Nintendo arcade game "Sheriff," Miyamoto was just an artist for it. I think it was one of the first games Miyamoto helped make though.
Interesting!
"Yosaku" rom's are available, at least the rom's WERE available when I was building up a library for my Super RetroCade. I think the game is called "Yosaku to Donbei." I was looking for any ROM's I could find from the 1970s and 1980s.
That game was a shooter and on Space Invaders hardware. But you know what was emulated recently? The entire Cassette Vision lineup including Yosaku! I had a chance to play it, but it wasn't on MAME, rather it was a preliminary emulator called PD777.
Here's an interesting one you didn't mention: Tangram Q, by SNK. It was a 1983 puzzle game where you had to pick up a shape and place it in the box in the middle, and you have to try to make a bigger shape. No cabinets were manufactured at all, but there is a stand-up prototype and a cocktail prototype.
I will if people want to see a Lost 80s Arcade Games video!
What about lost video games from the 1940s-1960s?
Those need to get a video, there's a lot like the game, Tennis for Two
imo that 1940 ''game'' is not quite a video game.
Mechanical film flight simulators developed in the military?
Unrelated, but did you know there’s an arcade game called Uncle Poo where you attack by pooping? I’m not kidding
@@gooeydude574 Yes. One of those weird barely documented games…
Or those games are literally lost or they are hidden somewhere underground by a private owner.
2:31 Boxing games are not fighting games! They are sports games.
Oh you corrected this
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Runs smoother? You might mean the *gameplay* is smoother. The graphics of some of those logic based arcade game move in ways that look surreal. Look up some of the early 'Germlin Arcade' titles to see what I mean.
3:05 That's a jousting game, not a fencing game.
@@sadierobotics I have no idea how I messed that up XD Still doesn’t change my point, though.
I remember seeing dracula in an arcade. Dont remember if i played it.
Japan still does dominate video games. The two biggest console makers (Nintendo and Sony) are both Japanese.
@@sirprower Yeah, but Sony doesn’t support Japanese games anymore, and most of the big AAA games don’t make it to the Switch despite how popular it is :/
computer othello was dumped, played it last yr in mame
Break open must have ironically been robbed alot
based
Almost everything "80s" started in the 70s.
Ive seen EVR race working on display working in a no recording area og nintendo kyoto like floor 3 or 4. I wish i never turned down that job. Not enough offer to relocate buy a car citizenship and langauge lessons. The japan rules for work visas and cituzenship are so strict. Place is filling up so bad that up up up up new and additional apartment buildings get made to pack everyone. If u plan to get longer then 3 months work papers they expect u to have a 30 minute language test in japanese only and worst part u fill out all the extension forms as u do the test and they in a different type. Ones katakana andbl the other is kanji
Oh, I thought you meant the actual meaning of lost: no known copies exist; not the Reddit "lost media" community meaning: not available to pirate freely on the internet.
Oh no! People want things to be available tot he general public, how awful!
@@The1SunshineFeeler very strange response since this person's comment wasn't aggressive enough for you to reply like that lol