Those Great Locomotives - NYC Hudsons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2023
- Once making up 61% of American 4-6-4 locomotives, the New York Central Hudsons were the most iconic steam locos in the USA. From their early days of hauling 21 carriages over the NYC subsidiaries, to the stunning Dreyfuss streamlining that made them the very model of a modern Art Deco piece.
SOURCES AND CREDIT
Photo of Nord 4-6-4 3.1102 By Hugh Llewelyn - 3.1102Uploaded by Oxyman, CC BY-SA 2.0, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
All other images used, unless stated otherwise, are in the Public Domain.
Website sources:
www.american-rails.com/4-6-4....
www.steamlocomotive.com/locob...
Literary sources:
'The Great Book Of Trains' by Brian Hollingsworth & Arthur Cook, published by Salamander Books Ltd
'New York Central Streamlined Locomotives' by Karl F. Cantola nycshs.files.wordpress.com/20...
Video/Film sources:
Trains Unlimited - The New York Central
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@@tomasbrychta5684 That would be the Salt Lake City Extension.
He released a Freeware PRR S1 Duplex. Aka The Big Engine! I would love to see you do a similar video about that like this one ^^!
The Hudsons are the best locos of The New York Central, I wish there was a Hudson Trust so that there would be a real life replica of The Hudson, either The regular or a streamlined hudson
I mostly agree. But the New York Central Niagara or Mohawk are better locomotive
If I recall correctly, the T1 trust seriously considered building a New York Central j3 Hudson before they decided on the PRR T1 and chose a name for their trust. Who knows, maybe they’ll regroup and start work on a j3, when the T1 5550 is complete.
@@bovie_bovie well I just hope someone build one and a Niagara
What I really want to see is one of the surviving Mohawks restored to working order. The Mohawks were the most numerous of the Central's steam locomotives and were also among the finest examples of the 4-8-2 wheel arrangement.
@@joemayo8254 I agree to that.
Fun fact: there is one remenent of the Hudsons left in existence in Steamtown Pennsylvania, there is a NYC Auxiliary Tender, which was rebuilt from a Hudson's Tender, so while the class no longer exists, at least we have something to remember them by
Also, the most important parts of the Central (its mainlines) remain largely intact and are busier than ever.
There's also a headlight, builders plate, and number plate from one of the former Dreyfuss units, #5449 that was sold at an auction some years back
that tender was converted to a steam generator car
Great video! Although there's a few points I wanna mention.
-Regarding streamlining, de-shrouding was mostly done after WW2.
-The picture used to show NYC 4-8-4's was the prototype, which failed horribly lol.
-Hudson's were rarely used on freight, during War Time it was a thing but afterwards not so much. There's a handful of clips around of them pulling freight (the most famous is the N&W coal drag shot), but like I said it was extremely rare.
Other than those points, a very good video!
The J Hudsons were truly iconic. Even the Niagaras were overshadowed by these locomotives when they were made after the War. They ran 20,000 miles a month so they were as reliable as they were iconic. Alvin Staufer wrote a pretty darn nice book 50 years ago detailing them with even an interview from the late Paul Kiefer himself telling him about his time working on them.
If you want more north American ideas, the Southern Pacific GS-4 and Union Pacific FEF classes would be good ones, with Union Pacific FEF-3 844 having never been retired, or there's the Canadian Pacific semi streamlined Royal Hudson, 2850 hauling the Royal Train across Canada in the 1930s without failing, such a feat that the royals let the locomotives be adorned with the Royal crown, or If you don't want another Hudson, Canadian Pacific also had semi streamlined 4-4-4 Jubilee types, and semi streamlined 2-10-4 Selkirk locomotivs. The are also articulated engines like the C&O H-8 2-6-6-6, or if you want diesels, the EMC EA/EB, E1, and E2 (all relatively the same, just different names for different railroads), and electric engines you have stuff like the Milwaukee Road Bi-Polar or the Little Joe locomotives
But that was a really good video, and bringing focus to the majority of their work instead of the minority who were streamlined is a very fresh take on the class
Fun Fact: Lionel Electric Trains made the 700E Hudson which was the most detailed and very-prototypical version of the NYC Hudson. Lionel Cowen also loves the NYC Hudson
Interesting note about the "Dreyfuss" Hudsons, is that there were technically 11 of them. Given the problems of 5344's Commodore streamlining, it was re-equipped with a nearly identical streamlining to that of the 10 J-3a's, with the only visual difference being a slightly different running board on the J-1e. I believe this makes it one of two instances of a steam locomotive being streamlined twice, and for two different services. Rather than going back to pulling the Vanderbilt, or joining the Super Hudsons on the Century, the 5344 was mostly used on the Mercury streamliners.
The same fate was also shared with the two J-3a's streamlined for the Empire State Express, and at least one of them even had its cowl "rebranded" for the service
Very nice to see a good quality video about the Hudsons in America!
The Hudsons may be gone, but they are not forgotten
YAHOO! This is going to be good, a crying shame we never preserved any of the NYC Hudson's (original condition, Loewy streamlining or Dreyfuss)...
Maybe they could build on from scratch like the English have been doing with some their famous steam locomotives that were scrapped. Check out the locomotive Tornado, remade, then later later officially clocked at 101 mph. Speaking of speed the the NYC Hudsons were reputed clocked at 123 mph.
My personal favorite, due to their one of a kind look.
It’s a shame that they’re lost to time.
Well they show up in all kinds of media from cartoons to a goddamn Van Halen album if it interests you.
@@emilioi.valdez6680 True. It’s just sad we’ll never see one in the real world.
@@MysteriousStrangerVA Never say never. If we can has PRR T1 be built from scratch and a Union Pacific Big Boy rebuilt to operation, a new build Hudson isn't a far off pipe dream. It's just a matter of getting together the right team of people and tackling the challenge head on in a professional manner and doing everything right. And with the sheer amount of times the idea of building a new Hudson has been floated over the years, it wouldn't surprise me if the PRR T1's completion and success winds up inspiring the right folks to start work on a new NYC Hudson. Wouldn't surprise me if the T1 inspires people all over the continent to start looking at the idea of building new steam locomotives through a much more viable lense.
Nice video. The "Pacific" and New Zealand link is almost certainly a myth. Alco suggested the common name in 1904, after supplying the type to three roads in the US with Pacific in their name - including Missouri Pacific as the first US road to use the type. The others were Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific, and Northern Pacific. The earliest mention of the New Zealand connection is in the 1930s.
That's fascinating, where did you find this information? I'd love to compile it in the "Mistakes from the past 9 episodes" when I get a lead!
@@FlyingScott I'm working on something. It'll be out in early March...
@@theimaginationstation1899 No I'd rather you just tell me where you found that info.
@@FlyingScott Cool, give me a month to get that together.
Well if you're interested Scott, I have two famous pairs of American 4-4-0's you could look at for the series. The first pair is Central Pacific Jupiter and Union Pacific 119 which were the engines in the famous Transcontinental Railroad photograph and have quite the history. The second pair are Western and Atlantic Railroad's General and Texas locomotives as both were involved in the Great Locomotive Chase during the American Civil War.
Gotta love those Hudson's. Great video as always Scot 👍
LET’S GO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOOOOO LONG so much to talk about this engine!
The n&w A class: hold my beer
I Love Hudson's.
Nicely done! May i suggest a locomotive / class for this series? It would be the SR N15 "King Arthur" class. Been a while since the last southern engine.
It can completely be brought back. The j3a (Dreyfuss Hudson) plans I’m pretty sure are still around. And since there’s a group of people bringing back a prr class t1 a Hudson would be a walk
Such a shame no J3As survived they were so iconic hauling the 20th Century Ltd
You know there is nyc cars on steam
And the 20 century limited consist is also on the same website that the Hudson's on
Because those Pennsylvania coaches are an eye sore
Good thing they amalgamated then.
Also I've had immense trouble with the rest of DSGDDR's assets, proved to be a bit buggy.
@@FlyingScott ah
Hey you got a fact wrong. The super Hudson is not the streamlined version. The super Hudson have longer tender then the other Hudson.
In fact we're both wrong, the Super Hudsons *were* the J-3as, don't quite know how I didn't spot that during production. Oops!
If you want something interesting to look at, with a few decent online sources, the V4s would be a good shot. A very interesting what if in LNER history.
2:45 Hudson(NYC 5344)’s Number and
Don’t Worry Guys Cause in My Headcannon,Hudson(NYC 5344)is Preserved
Flying Scott if your looking for something a little less well known the NZR classes Ww F and J are all notable New Zealand locomotives as well as the Ab one of the Pacific’s mentioned
I would like to see your take on the German 103 as they have some interesting engieniering to them
I always say that I was born during the wrong time. I wish I lived during the 30’s and 40’s the Zenith of the steam loco
Scott could you possibly do the Niagara?
I didn’t think to talk about some interesting things I’ve heard about the hudsons in my previous comment, so I’ll do it here. From what I’ve gathered, there were multiple attempts to preserve a Central Hudson, and in fact we do have part of one around today. The Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railroad of Canada was jointly owned by the Central and another Canadian road, and it was not a big surprise when they got two former Central Hudsons. They lasted for about the same amount of time as the normal Central hudsons, but unlike them, a tender from one of them ended up at Steamtown. Originally, the Owner of Steamtown had wanted a NYC Hudson, but the last one, #5452, was scrapped before he could buy it. Overall a shame, but hey, he got CP 2816 instead! hope you all find this interesting.
I can confirm at least part of this: in 1962 I spoke with Nelson Blount, who told me that he attempted to buy a Hudson locomotive from the NYC, but they refused to sell one to him.
@@Toledo1940 Wow, that’s honestly incredible that you got the chance to speak to Mr. Blount in person. Thanks for sharing, anecdotes like yours are incredibly precious!
Could you revieuw anything that ran on belgian tracks (as in regular service) and was powerd by steam?
Why you use PRR coaches instead of NYC coaches?
Can you do the k4?
What engine will you be covering after this
Great video. I've been following your channel for a while now and I'm excited to see you discuss a New York Central locomotive. I grew up along the former New York Central in Upstate New York, so I'm always on the lookout for Central-themed content.
EDIT: Interesting note about the Berkshires. While the most well-known fleet of Berkshires were the Van Sweringen Berkshires (those being the Berks owned by the Nickel Plate, Chesapeake & Ohio, Pere Marquette and Wheeling & Lake Erie), the Berkshire wheel arrangement actually originated on the Central's Boston & Albany subsidiary. The name "Berkshire" comes from the Berkshire Mountains, a chain of mountains in Western Massachusetts and home to the legendary Washington Hill.
Oh my god you said the Milwaukee road
I hate to be a pain, but I think you didn't put the right music in the desc for the one used in the outro
Woops, the description is a format so I hadn't changed it.
@@FlyingScott It's fine mate
Well, you can alwats restore one?..
They’re gone
@@backonpro5679 I ment the other ones!...
@@johnarnehansen9574 there is CP 2816
Alfred Edward Pearlman, the president of New York Central gave the order to scrap all of the Hudsons and the Niagaras because the railroad was struggling to stay afloat and they needed money to keep the company from going bankrupt. Atleast a few New York Central locomotives like NYC 999, the Mohawks 3001, and 2933 survived.
Nelson Blount told me in 1962 that he had earlier offered to BUY a Hudson from the NYC, but that his offer was refused.
@Toledo1940 Is it Mentioned/confirmed which NYC hudson he tried to preserve? If he did it would more than likely be one of the Dreyfuss hudsons used for the 20th century Limited.
@@gregoryandrews4956 No, he did not tell me which Hudson he attempted to buy.
This is BULLSHIT
@@coldwar1952 No, it is not.
Im first
Ns 8100 kikkers maybe for those great locomotives
What's there to say about a small tank engine that started work as a shunter only to end up on the lightest of light services that has not already been said about every other small tank engine?
Point taken