Laurence Freeman on Jesus
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- His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Laurence Freeman OSB met on 12 January 2013, in Sarnath, India, for a day of Dialogue. They discussed Jesus and the Buddha and what discipleship means in an increasingly secular world. In the first talk, Laurence Freeman, director of The World Community for Christian Meditation, spoke on Jesus.
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2 beautiful minds...
Just when the Catholic church seemed to fade away, a small but strong fringe practice could start a movement towards the forgotten roots of Christendom' and hopefully towards a new 'reformation' within the church.
It could happen. I'm a kind of anarchist too.
the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral should be a strong divine message to the Catholic church to do away with it's ancient "traditions" and "doctrines", it's twisted understanding of intersessions, Mary and sainthood, the papacy, priesthood, baptism at birth, confessions, .....the list goes on and on
look at what was left standing tall when that church burned to the ground, google it.
A Church of a billion is not fading away. In fact it’s growing rapidly in India, Asia and Africa. Such a Western dominated perspective
@@minui8758 Yeah wel i live in Western Europe and i'm talking about the west Europe , because it's the birth place of the Catholic Church. So excuse me for not talking about countries i know little about..And maybe you should not use 'Western ' .That's lazy. Europe is not North America or Australia.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 I’m loving the waves of positivity and peace from your response x
True Christian
Beautiful
Thank you Fr Lawrence for sharing these encounters taht just tok place with those that could not be present ....they are so wonderful ....and helpful ..i look forward to more of the possibility of f more of these dialogs .I especically enjoyed the dialog of Jesus as
a physical ,deceased and returned being .....and HH comments and Buddhist philosophy of the three kayas ....i hope that this topic can be revisited again
Joanne
Vermont
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They are both very humble
Great
Jesus's example's of non-violence, empathy and sympathy for others has always been good enough for me to attempt to emulate. There is never any point in spending time hating your enemies. One must move on and go forward. Others, including enemies, must find their paths too! Tolerating active enemies can become a way of life. One does not have to take them on as a burden; leave the burden at their door, as you never invited them to your's.
If we are born from earth, we will be back to earth
Como recibir estas enseñanzas en español, no comprendo el inglés
Lord budda not a savior he was not a creator he was the teacher he showed the path Lord budda Compleatly difference
from Jesus christ
Jn. 14:9.
Jn. 16:33 .
We are saved from Sin.
Through Jesus's atoning sacrifice we are cleansed temples that can receive God the Holy Spirit to transform our lives.
The issue of sin is dealt with in full satisfaction.
We are transformed by the power of God not by our own power but by submission to Christ our King.
We are not saved by works but are saved and works result from our salvation.
It is only God's love to show Mercy and to provide Grace to our lives that we truly acknowledge love.
We do not deserve love.
So Jesus is not only our Redeemer, our salvation but our Lord. Owner Master.
He is our brother, our friend and mentor.
We belong to God.
If you see Jesus you see the Father.
God created this planet and colonized it with human, we were to use all our image likeness in operating here on Earth to share in what it is like to be God, in a limited fashion i.e. image barers having dominion.
A relationship between God and man to keep Heaven on Earth with humans as Viceroys and with the authority to rule on earth.
we are given free will.
to rule as God intended but our first humans did not trust God and decided to rule on their own deciding right and wrong according to their on standards.
They put themselves in a state of death by awakening death.
Humans die Physically and In effect spiritually when they separate themselves from God.
This original Kingdom (man was given Dominion was lost)
in escents we lost heaven and earth.
Jesus restores the Kingdom of God when we Repent and enter into his Kingdom.
There is the Kingdom of darkness loss of knowledge. in this Kingdom what we see in the world is where we no longer see our fellow humans as images of God and do not treat them so.
this darkness is allowed and we see. it's suffering permitted for now. The Kingdom of God grows slowly but there will come a time when Jesus will return.
No longer as suffering servant but as a return as King. fully man fully God with all rightful authority to return Heaven to Earth.
There is no competition between the Kingdom of God and religion.
Discipleship in Jesus is not a religion it is a Kingdom with a King. It is about restoring right relationships.
It is not even in the same class. That is why it is exclusive.
The first relationship to restore is rebellion to God.
Jesus was crucified not because of religion.
He brought an unseen government where we are governed by God the Holy Spirit creating the best form of self governing.
No one is good. all have sinned and reject God.
God has provided a way for all mankind, and this is Good News for the Muslim, Buddist, Confucius, Hinduism, Juudaism etc.
God the Father has sent his Son to pay the price for treason, for mankind.
No one is good except God. Jesus was the only sinless man who ever lived. He was God and man fully.
Exactly what was needed to restore mankind to his rightful place.
Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, right relationship to our creator and to every other relationship known. we are to be the image of God and to treat our fellow humans likewise.
If you do not agree with what I have said that is fine but you can not make Jesus into something you think he is to match your philosophy.
He was not just a great teacher or merely a prophet.
Appropriation of the Gospels does not make it so
Jesus was exalted by the Father. and is God as sure as the Father and Holy Spirit are all one God.
Turn to God Repent of your Sin i.e. rebellion, your personal sin should attest to this, Turn and go the other way. Change your mind and direction. Accept Jesus for who he is and believe on him and you will be cleansed of all unrighteousness and will be a clean vessel and your body will and be eligible to receive God the Holy Spirit.
God will convict you to do right.
Anyone can do right as sin is always a choice but without God you will not have the conviction to do so.
Nevertheless no one can always do right and that is why we need mercy and grace from our living Father.
that guy interrupting is incredibly distracting
All human thoughts, words expression, ideas, hypothesis, science, knowledge or even achievements shall pass away, fail !. But Matt. 24: 35 , The Word of GOD, GOD in printed form, the Bible, all scriptures shall never pass away or fail , as they HIS THOUGHTS EXPRESS !.
[Part 1]
I'm hearing a lot of dancing around the issues here. Neither of these religious leaders wants to take a stand. Neither wants to offend the senses - so I will! There are many voices in our religious text. All religious text. Some of it comes from the One True God - the Creator of ALL things - and much of it doesn't. You have to be discerning enough to sort through the lies! Who we are - really are - has nothing to do with RELIGION!
I have 2 questions guys,
1st: what are they talking about?
&
2nd: who are these guys..?
The Dali Lama (effectively the Buddhist pope) and a Christian monk
kto przetlumaczy na polski...
There is no place to arrive at the grass is not greener on the other side the grass is just grass you bare whole in Christ counsiosness now hmmmm lasha mother of shyam
What I want to say IS TO SEEK OTHER THAN THE INNFINATE NOW TO SEEK OTHER THAN CURRENT SELF CONSIOUSNES THAT IS YOU ARE PURFIC NOW THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE SUCH AS AN ENLIGHTENED STATE WHICH IS FUTURE AND GOAL ORIENTED IS somewhat misleading thats why love and oneness is a refined stare of NO MIND NAMASSTAY
Lawrence Freeman, should not call himself Christian, he is a fouls teacher
In the Bible in Matew 16: 13 to 18 Apostol Peter call Jesus the Son of God.
11:08 Trinitarianism is not so much the transcendence of ego, as the non-dual integration with God. God is God (the father), all that occupies the self is God (the son), all that there remains is God. It's different to arising as the deity in Vajrayana with 'divine pride'. In Trinitarianism, there is dissolution of 'self', but then no arising at all. It's a complete surrendering. JOHN 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11:55 He's not a teacher of the transcendence of ego. He's a 'demonstrator' of the non-dual integration. 13:40 No. 'Experience' still contains the subjective ego. When all space is occupied by 'God', nothing remains. 13:40 Yes so it's all very simple. All you have to do is build The Third Temple on The Temple Mount, ALONGSIDE Al Aqsa, with the intefaith center and the little peace corners with fountains and whatever. The Christians are responsible for the 1,500 miles CUBED Cube of Peace, with The Temple Mount as the epicentre. REVELATION 21: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. - 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. - No point in holding eternal blah blah conferences on 'ego transcendence' and never DOING. 'Jesus' is a DOER and expected GREATER 'doers' than himself! JOHN 14: 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall HE DO ALSO; and GREATER works than these shall he do; - It's all in the book. All that remains is to DO! No 'Christian' can call himself/herself/themselves a 'Christian' that is allowing THE CUBE OF PEACE to be used as THE FOREVER WAR theatre! THAT ONE CAN'T WORK. THE CUBE stretches from the Red Sea to Mecca and from Lybia to Iran. Including the airspace 1,500 miles above ground. ANY warring within THE CUBE, and you can forget The Kingdom. FOREVER. The 'Christians' have got far too much to be gettin' on with then to be proselytizing to Buddhist! 😳 Right now they're making very bad karma by allowing THE CUBE OF PEACE to be THE FOREVER WAR theatre. 13:53 Nobody is "entering" anything! We're sending up an invitation which will either be accepted or declined. 😳 REVELATION 21: 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, - As Father Laurence himself states; God enters you, not you enter kingdoms. Either you're worthy of having your invitation accepted or you're not. ABSOLUTELY USELESS to be trying to "enter" things. 14:01 "Parallel to the teaching on Nirvana"??? Father Laurence is in cloud cuckooland with that one! He's fallen into 'complacency'.😳 The Kingdom of God is parallel to THE BODHISATTVA VOWS! You cannot be running 'interfaith' dialogues if your understanding of THE KINGDOM OF GOD is Nirvana! 😳 14:16 'Nirvana' IS NOT The Kingdom of God! Nirvana is mental quietude. In the Mahayana, Nirvana's just the starting point. The Kingdom of God is Bodhisattva level. BOTH Nirvana and Samsara suffer from COMPLACENCY. The Kingdom of God is a KINGDOM. The clue is in the title. You're not the ONLY inhabitant. And it's not a space that you "enter". It's a place that will land on your head with a bang IF you've made the merit. And COMPLACENCY can't cut the mustard! 14:21 NO. This is nonsense. If you are a Trinitarian, there is nobody "teaching by example and by word". NOT AT ALL! All that there is, is 'God', moving. JOHN 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. - If you start saying that someone is "teaching by example", you dismantle the non-dual integration and project someone else onto it. Which would be Shirk. If you are IN God, and God is IN you, all there is IS God. Nothing else. You can't start projecting another doer into the situation. There's nobody walkin' and talkin' OTHER THAN 'God'. The whole construct IS 'God'. You can't flic flac from the non-dual to the dualistic in the definitions. 15:59 "Who teaches by word"?? JOHN 1: In the beginning was the Λόγος (the utterance, the reason, the divine expression) , and the Λόγος (the utterance, the reason, the divine expression) was with τὸν Θεόν (the divine), and the Λόγος (the utterance, the reason, the divine expression) was Θεὸς (word forged by Plato to explain the name of Ἀθήνη). - Again, Father Laurence is attributing a DUALISTIC 'doer' where there is none. It's very tricky, because as a Trinitarian, you can't switch from Billy to Jack between the non-dual and the dualistic. You have to stand your ground in the 'non-dual integration'. This is why you can "enter" into the Kingdom of God, because you're lookin' for a 'ME' to be goin' somewhere. "As long as space endures,
as long as sentient beings remain,
until then, may I too remain
and dispel the miseries of the world."
The Trinitarian non-dual integration is as big as FULL-BLOWN Wisdom Realising Emptiness and twice as big as that again! Nobody's walkin' and talkin' by "example" to be copy-catted. Either you ACHIEVE 'the non-dual integration', or you face THE WRATH OF GOD. Long before any "kingdoms" are gonna be fallin' out of the sky! Perhaps the Christians have not entirely grasped the SEVERITY of their contract with God. Perhaps too busy looking at that of others to grasp their own. The 'Christian' world has labelled itself 'THE FREE WORLD'. Seriously jumping the gun there. 16:09 God's Authority is not "natural". It's ABSOLUTE. 16:31 "Is 'SOMEONE' "?? لا اله الا الله
: there is no 'OBJECT OF REFUGE' other than Allah.
If we take 'Ilah' as 'machine', 'tool', 'contrivance', we can also say that; 'there is no 'CAUSALITY/CAUSATION' other than Allah. 16:34 It's not "refuge in the Buddha". It's 'refuge' in THE THREE JEWELS. They do not exist 'independently' of each other. And ultimate level meaning of "refuge in the Buddha" is 'refuge in the buddha that ONESELF will become'. You can draw a comparison between Trinitarianism and refuge in the Three Jewels, in that refuge in the Dharma is refuge in the Ultimate Truth/The Absolute, the causality of all phenomenon. So refuge in Buddha and Dharma are similar to refuge in God the son and God the Absolute. But refuge in God the son is not refuge in "someone". There's nobody there other than God the Absolute. Just as refuge in the Buddha is not refuge in 'someone'. There's nobody there other than Ultimate Truth the Absolute. 16:43 The Buddha never advocated "childlike trust". He didn't believe in it. He said 'don't believe anything I'm saying just because I am saying it. Test it out for yourselves. KNOW that it works. SEE with your own eye.'
14:40 The 'messianic' rebellion of 4 BCE under Herod Archelaus quashed by Varus saw 2,000 + Judhaians crucified. After 3,000 had been murdered in the Temple grounds. Big "crisis"! The Greek posits 'Joshua' and 'moshiach Joshua'. 'Jesus', 'Jew' and 'messiah' emerge in Middle English.
17:35 Well then; JOHN 14: 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall HE DO ALSO; and GREATER works than these shall he do; - He's not looking to be emulated he's looking to be SURPASSED. As any real Guru is.
19:19 Well no. It's not an awakening to the 'inner' moshiach/christos. It's a dissolution into God as the 'inner'. The moshiach/christos 'anointment' does happen until the 'inner' is ONLY God. So when there is ONLY God, then we see moshiach Laurence. 19:48 Something other than 'God the Son' is manifesting in that statement. No idea what it is. The only thing that can be present 'within' for 'God the son' to appear, is God the Absolute. What does 'history' have to do with anything? 19:55 The moshiach/christos within you; not really I don't agree. I mean for sure God can't annoint he that won't anoint himself; would be like trying to wet a piece of waxed paper; but there's no moshiach/christos until God the Absolute and NOTHING ELSE is 'within'. Then the moshiach/christos appears. Surely? The 'seed' of a buddha is within. The 'seed' of a moshiach/christos is within. But a seed is a 'potential', not a tree. Not until all there is within is God the Absolute can there be a moshiach/christos.
20:13 "Created in the image of God" is problematic. Because in GENESIS 1: הָֽאָדָם֙ were created by אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Elohim plural; male and female). GENESIS 1:26 26 And אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Elohim) said, Let US make אָדָ֛ם in OUR 'rupa', after OUR 'character': and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Elohim) created הָֽאָדָם֙ in own image/form, in the image/form of אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Elohim) created; male and female created them. - EXODUS 20: 2 אֱלֹהֶ֑֔יךָ (Eloheka) יְהוָ֣ה אָֽנֹכִ֖י֙ , which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. - In the form of and after the character of אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Elohim) yes. In the form of and after the character of יְהוָ֣ה ; it cannot be done. I don't to believe that. What human form could get that angry? It's not possible! There is still 'some' softness in אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Elohim), is יְהוָ֣ה PERFECT RUTHLESSNESS. The people will not be 'saved' from their NON-ACTION in the face of the horrors of today, just because they 'pray', they will be EQUATED to MURDERERS. www.news18.com/photogallery/buzz/heartbreaking-photos-of-severely-malnourished-7-year-old-boy-give-peek-into-yemens-crisis-3253439-5.html - God the Son can't save people from THE WRATH OF יְהוָ֣ה if they themselves FLATLY REFUSE to BECOME God the son!
Christian or Muslim or Buddhist all face death no god save this life and prevent death but how can Christian and Muslim say after death they go to heaven,after death who knows.what Buddhist think no god can help you if we harm or done evil deeds lead to hell or animal or hungry ghost.
+Cho Ten : religions are a way to deal with life. Understand life. It doesn't matter which religion or spiritual path you prefer. Every path has its truth, but none of these paths own the truth. Perhaps buddhism is wrong about what happens after death...perhaps not. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that the path we might choose make us understand life, the world and our bond with every living thing (we are one) and make us experience real happiness in life. For me, Jesus as well as Buddha are two masters I love and want to learn from. Greetings, Cho.
[Part 2]
Religion is mankind's invention/concept to understand and explain that which he doesn't. Who created us? Well, how about extraterrestrial scientists with a petri dish, for starters. [Does this make them GODS? NO! These Extraterrestrial Scientists took the Creator's life force [which only the Creator can produce] and mixed a “human DNA cocktail”.
These powerful Extraterrestrial Scientists liked their power to mix DNA cocktails and bring forth living creatures to worship them as gods.
Where did you get this info from its interesting
Buddha is not at all a comparison to Christ even ideologies
This man should NOT ba a catholic priest. Wrong catholic/christian doctrine.
Not very "ecumenical"! Lol
You are absolutely right however!
Especially the statement he made about the "wilderness experience" of "spiritual practice"!
He was tempted by the devil & over it! That was the "spiritual practice," Jesus had in the desert.
Elaborate plz
Jesus is a myth
so are you
P.E. Gottrocks Im dead 😂
But he’s right if Jesus is a myth so are as the evidence clearly points he existed, and your zeitgeist bullshit is just that bullshit
u must have failed history in school....