I’ve had this for most of the year and didn’t know half of these things. Really appreciate this tutorial! Also, I have quite a few synths and this is by far my favorite. Super expensive but in my opinion worth it! This thing will be a classic!
It's great when you don't RTFM, that's why I rely on Loop's vids, they get people up to speed and you can learn better by watching someone in action and mimicking them. Ziv's tutes are an invaluable asset to the community and have had me purchase a thing or 2 in the past. I might not watch all his vids but the ones I do, they're my go to for how to get things done quickly, rather than those boring manuals.
First - great review! Now this: After owning the UDO S6 and finally selling it, I can attest that no display handicaps UDO's synths badly. I don't mean that George Hearn needs to make his synths a "menu-mess" and sacrifice his lovely hands-on workflow. Far from it. Just give us the ability to name patches and see mod-maps. No display means you cannot reverse engineer or even SEE complex (or simple) modulation routings, no naming patches other than F7, etc. You cannot find that saw lead you created a month ago without a pencil and notepad. You can't name custom wave shapes which means you won't be able to find them. The S6 I owned was fun for a while but when you can't remember your work, you always get lost coming back to it. UDO synths sound great but George doesn't put a simple 2-line OLED display on the unit due to what users perceive as stubbornness to keep this "simplicity and hands on" notion. I would certainly consider this synth with a display.
It does impact one's ability to refer to their work. I didn't think it would be a deal breaker. But after the midi issues I experienced, I opted to let it go in favor of something else like the 3rd Wave which is picqued my interest.
@@Station2Station-du2gh 3rd Wave here too, so different than a S6 I had, both are very different workflows too. The S6 can do some amazing things, something the PEAK cannot get close to, but I felt that there was a user disconnect with the S6 so opted to upgrade to a 3rd Wave which is in a league of its own. Compared to my PEAK, the UI isn't clumsy like the PEAK, and the sound is a whole new level. S6, well that has to be seen/used 1st hand to make comparisons, I can do what the S6 does, just much quicker and with twice the voicing. What ever you have, enjoy making music, is my motto.
@kierenmoore3236 Well, to each their own, I love the sound of the Super 6. They are beautiful instruments. And I get the intention behind the design: it's a performance box, with a ton of capabilities. When using it, I relied heavily on my ears and had the task of committing the controls to muscle memory. But with a Trigon already, and that my use cases are mostly studio recording, I could part with it. I'd consider repurchasing at a lower resell price.
This is a beautiful Demo of a modern classic beast of synth. Thanks loopop for not only showing, explaning but furthermore playing it excellently. The UDOs ticks all boxes regarding hands on Sound exploration. Some may say, its expensive and missing this and that, but - owning an early s6 - touching it the first time you‘ll fell in love with it. Build like a tank to last. Well designed. And considering, that this is made by a small excellent manufacturer in Bristol, and by I‘d say a young brave Mastermind George Hearn in tradition of Dave Smith. In a personal experience - very caring about his customers. There are more complex and Feature packed synths that are cheaper (Hydras), and others, doing far less and priced higher (Prophet 5). But this is at the end a combining best of all. Its for those, who love CS 80s (no display again) and Juno/Jupiters, Roland does not build anymore in this high quality since decades. Plus all modern stuff included. Anyway: a small Display or an optional Editor (not a big deal,there is one for S6) really would help organize the Sound Designs. My wishlist: Small Display, even a classic 3 digit would help, and a bit less in price. An observation : you‘ll find the UDOs in all that avantgarde synth heros studios: Matt Bowdler / The unfinished (Dune Soundtrack), Alex Ball, … there is a reason … 😉
I own the Super 6 without the extra features (keyboard, ribbon controller) and I don’t need anything else bigger or better. Still my best purchase ever. Incredible good sound.
not only can you upgrade the keyboard on S6, but you can also get a ribbon controller for it. Amazing line of synths, I am a happy owner of the S6, and while I do love Gemini, I wish they left LFO1 clone function as I often use DDS2 as a modulator, and LFO1 as a second oscillator. Also, UDO community is amazing and George and his team keep improving S6 (biggest thing for me is the latest fw with mix as modulation destination).
@@loopop I am super curious too, it feels like a proper performance synth.. straight up with the magic machines like the CS-80. I am pretty stoked actually, its been a while i felt this excited about a new machine. :)
Always appreciate your honesty. I sold my super six I really liked it too. I’ve played with the super 8 and the Gemini a bunch of times now and I got to say I would probably pick one up if it had a screen because it’s absolutely a complete mess of trying to find where things are. The irony is everyone’s gonna record this into a giant computer screen anyways. OK, people who are offended by this and not gonna buy this any way go ahead and Que the backlash comments.
I love how the UDO synths sound, but went with the Novation Summit instead. The Summit has tons of modulation routes on the front panel as knobs, so it is a cheaper alternative to the Super 8 that still feels quite immediate, and is great for exploring with knobs. I do think that the UDO sounds somewhat nicer with respect to pure oscillators. But when it comes to sounds with filter+drive or heavy FX the Summit has a unique character of its own.
@@kierenmoore3236 You can do the same on the Summit. Just create a multi, pan them left and right with the same patch asigned...Done (8 voice binaural on the Summit).
I don’t think you guys understand how “binaural” works it’s not just about panning the same preset left and right, but rather using a different phased modulator to the left and right voices. I explain it in depth in video if you care to watch that section. It not impossible to do on other synths, just explaining what it is.
I did a binaural patch once. There is a start phase on the Summit LFO page, but I didn’t have much audible success with that so maybe I am still missing something
@@loopop there is a reason "Binaural" audio exists, it's 3D positional audio and anyone who says it's a "gimmick", clearly does not know how it works. How we hear and how this is done in a synth is totally different than a panning hard L and R of a copied patch. This is why you literally need no FX on the UDO, it can achieve 3D space with the binaural aspect. I appreciate your patience with this individual, but alas I think your words are falling on deaf ears.
I have both Summit and Gemini. So far I have not been able to replicate the same binaural sounds on the Summit. There is phasing going on in other places than the lfo. A cheaper and very satisfying way to reach a grand binaural effect: get two Pro-800 , use the same preset, play them together one panned fully left and the other fully right. The effect is much more impressive than what my Summit delivers in that area. I’m sure the Summit must be able to do it also, but its inherent stability makes it more difficult to reach it quickly compared to analog designs such as Pro-800. On the Gemini, you should consider the binaural switch as a shortcut for getting these effects faster.
No screen is a deal breaker for such an expansive synth. At least they should make an app to use our phones instead. Excellent video, as always! Can't wait for the Ableton Move video, especially after they just said they won't have more than 4 tracks, while the competition pretty much has all moved to 8 or more by now.
I own this synth and the lack of a screen helps with the "tweak with your ears not your eyes" philosophy. However, given the lack of screen, this synth can really use a good editor for your computer, then it would be irresistible. Great sound quality, amazing build and look. Now George just needs to make a sound editor app.
Thanks! The last 16 minutes in the video are snippets how I jam - did you get to that part? If yes, how would you define a jam? drums in the background? Regardless, there are quite a few other videos of people playing it online.
@@rlm4471ok - since these videos are synth reviews, personally I find including other instruments distracting and confusing, as it’s sometimes unclear what’s playing
@loopop Others include jams in their demos and do it in a way that makes it fairly clear how the featured device is contributing to the jam. To me, it's valuable to hear everything that a device can do in isolation, but with no musical context it's hard to get a sense of how a given device would actually help me to make music. It's also just not very fun to listen to a whole demo of a synth in isolation, because I would never use a synth like that. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong, but adding some more musical context here and there would be helpful for me.
@@rlm4471 it’s good there are others then :) personally I find other instruments in the mix distracting. That’s why I also don’t typically add effects though that’s what most people will do too
There are no synths that make me feel utterly clueless as to what’s happening more than the UDO gear. Not at all a criticism, this is on me and my underdeveloped brain and skill level. Thanks man, awesome demonstration as always and explained all of what before I presumed was some kind of sorcery. Absolutely lush sounds from a synth that could last you a lifetime. Such an awesome move to offer upgrades on their other synths too, big thanks and appreciation to UDO. A great thing to see in synths that are a bit more premium priced.
The panel is straightforward, but the settings and blinking lights can be a real mystery. Arturia and Sequential have much better implementation of settings and mod matrix. That being said, the synths look and sound beautiful. They are a lot of fun.
I'm no synth expert, but this one seems pretty straightforward to me. At least there's no menu diving. There's a lot happening, but none of it is unusual except for maybe the binaural modes.
@@googlingthevoidI think it’s because it feels like there’s so much going on and adjustments can make insane changes to the sound. Knob per function really lets you see the complexity and learn how you’re making your noises I think. Completely agree, stunning in both regards. One day hahah!
It’s time UDO releases Sysex memory dumps that can be triggered by program change. An external editor then can be used to show the settings. I love playing it, but I never make presets as it is now.
Holy crap, first time I've owned SOMETHING BEFORE you! Didn't like playing the Polybrute, so we got a Gemini earlier this year...has been a sound design dream. Cleared 4 synths out the studio too. Just in love with this thing...and how nasty it can get!
Polybrute is fab but I have a Moog one and others so have most of that covered already so I went for the Super Gemini after have a Super 6 for a bit. It’s spectacular and much more flexible. I’ve had the original Polybrute too. Lovely synth. Except the keybed. But I hear it’s better on the 12.
@ yeah I hear that often, but I’m glad I don’t have that problem. Honestly I don’t think my audience cares either, which is essentially comprised of my mother and my wife’s boyfriend
I had a Super 6 desktop, built like a tank but the lack of screen made it less forgiving for making patches. The sound was great but just was not what I was looking for, so I returned it and got a 3rd Wave desktop instead. For me the 3rd Waver does more, it was twice the price but I could justify it due to the extra voices and that screen which makes it a much better proposition. I don't think you can go wrong with either companies, both are stellar choices, it all depends of what work flow you prefer. Thx for the upload.
Quite inspiring what's coming out of that good-natured giant. Apparently one could listen for hours without getting bored and/or disturbed. Sometimes (or even often) it doesn't have to be the most sophisticated sound generation but rather the right blend of skillful parameter offer, straight access and a sound that supports its features; whereby the Super Gemini seems to have a pleasantly unobtrusive and balanced sound, which in turn makes the sweet spot appear remarkably large.
Yeah for sure. The lack of a need for a screen is a major attraction of this synth. Love that it’s upgradable too!!! I don’t have one… yet, but I’ve got a rev 2 and a hydra deluxe and love them both. This is the only other synth that I can’t stop thinking about even though I know I don’t need it.
Thank you for Sharing!, they have to re consider the prices of the upgrade for the Super 6. $ 688 = Super 6 "after touch and ribbon" upgrade option $ 750 = Second Hand Hydra Synth 49 with Poly After Touch and Ribbon + a full great Synth inside
It surely sounds amazing and colossal. But it’s overwhelming to me. Too big for a small room as well. I’d need at least a month with this thing to really see what it can do.
Well, if you're from the copyright police, I'd say it's just a random set of notes I played in no particular order. Totally coincidentally, a viewer wrote it reminds them of She Blinded Me With Science by Thomas Dolby
One advantage of the 8 over the Gemini is its ability to modulate LFO1 rate from the bender; this is essential if you are doing audio rate modulation with LFO 1 and want the tuning ratios to remain intact when doing pitch bends.
It’s much better than the Polybrute IMO. I’ve had a Polybrute. It’s great but it’s more limited and the build isn’t as good. The mod matrix is the standout feature on the PB though.
lol I use Mstereoscope, MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionally I’ll use scopes by VCV
All up to you honestly. Our opinions really shouldn't sway you beyond maybe if someone's had issues. Whether or not it sounds good, feels good, is fun to use, fits on your desk, is affordable to you - is all personal opinion. I could tell you negatives and positives for each of those points and either could be my opinion. Best bet is to try one yourself if possible!
@@haz8064 if you can try both it's the best route. I spent a few hours in Andertons (their Gemini was actually broken a bit) and went with the Polybrute for the features in the end, but two weeks later I'd switched for the Gemini and never looked back. Feature sets are fine and all, but when an instrument just has something special to it and talks to you then no feature list can beat it
People say its expensive yet people will happily pay more for a prophet 10 which , although iconic, is a very limited synth so this seems a bargain especially as it sounds so fat with swirls of sharp fm serenading the layered sound, nice, but better than the muse 🤔?
Both the prophet and muse have fatar keybeds, I hate the one on the prophet and I believe it's the exact same one on Muse. The super 6 keybed is definitely better, I imagine the after touch version is also better
No display is good, It's more like a musical instruments rather than "computer". And also, if there is a little screen and not so convenient, I prefer all physical control like this.
with the newer PAT keybed, this is something people would love to use, I just felt that I wanted more so moved of from my S6 to a 3rd Wave. Gemini isn't in module form yet so is a little hard to fit on my desk where space is at a premium.
@@zdravkodimitrov having owned both the Super 6 and still owning the PEAK, they're totally diff synths, S6 is so much more inviting to use, but the lacking of screen is off putting for the more complex modulation routings. I got a 3rd Wave from a trade up of the S6. PEAK, well that's like my other entry level bits of gear, nothing exciting, just heavily reliant on FX to carry it.
I have nothing against Polyend or TE at all! Unfortunately both companies didn't send me their instruments pre launch (or even offer that I buy them), so you need to ask them, not me. While I might still buy/borrow their instruments in the future, when there's so much coverage about something (especially Polyend Synth, which seems nice BTW), I prefer to take the road less travelled and explore other gear. I might do OP-XY though, as that seems like something I'd travel with.
Thanks. I'm not sure it's overpriced considering what you get and who you get it from, nor if FPGA oscs and analog filters qualify as "vst in box" but if you're fine with VSTs on a computer, then Gemini's price is irrelevant
Agreed, tRoland make some of the worst VSTs in a box, but other companies excel in making great digital synths, FPGA is an amazing tool when used well. PEAK, UDO6 and 3rd Wave, all which I have owned, all use FPGA and are brilliant what what hey do. Show me 1 VST which has an analog filter, then you can start to compare, but tRoland Cloud seems to mimic what all their synths do, that's where VSTs in a box comes into it.
I’ve had this for most of the year and didn’t know half of these things. Really appreciate this tutorial! Also, I have quite a few synths and this is by far my favorite. Super expensive but in my opinion worth it! This thing will be a classic!
Oh goodness, I LOVE it when you upload a video about a synth I have. You always find all those little things that it's easy to overlook. Hero.
Me too! Just got back from a rainy run, and now warmed up and watching this before an afternoon on my Super Gemini….😊
..aaand watched it all. About half a dozen little things I'd not twigged. Legend - thank you!
It's great when you don't RTFM, that's why I rely on Loop's vids, they get people up to speed and you can learn better by watching someone in action and mimicking them.
Ziv's tutes are an invaluable asset to the community and have had me purchase a thing or 2 in the past.
I might not watch all his vids but the ones I do, they're my go to for how to get things done quickly, rather than those boring manuals.
When are we going to see your video on this synth?
@@chet48 Designing sounds for it at the moment. Planning on early next year.
THE BEST synth. 10/10 recommend! Don’t let the screen worry you!
A 2020's without a display!
I had a super 6 and get sell it!
Great video, as always .
Awesome! Been waiting for this video for a long time! Bought mine a few months back - incredible synth
First - great review! Now this: After owning the UDO S6 and finally selling it, I can attest that no display handicaps UDO's synths badly. I don't mean that George Hearn needs to make his synths a "menu-mess" and sacrifice his lovely hands-on workflow. Far from it. Just give us the ability to name patches and see mod-maps. No display means you cannot reverse engineer or even SEE complex (or simple) modulation routings, no naming patches other than F7, etc. You cannot find that saw lead you created a month ago without a pencil and notepad. You can't name custom wave shapes which means you won't be able to find them. The S6 I owned was fun for a while but when you can't remember your work, you always get lost coming back to it. UDO synths sound great but George doesn't put a simple 2-line OLED display on the unit due to what users perceive as stubbornness to keep this "simplicity and hands on" notion. I would certainly consider this synth with a display.
It does impact one's ability to refer to their work. I didn't think it would be a deal breaker. But after the midi issues I experienced, I opted to let it go in favor of something else like the 3rd Wave which is picqued my interest.
@@VINYLCRATE Agree - same path. I have a 3rd Wave now as well.
@@Station2Station-du2gh 3rd Wave here too, so different than a S6 I had, both are very different workflows too.
The S6 can do some amazing things, something the PEAK cannot get close to, but I felt that there was a user disconnect with the S6 so opted to upgrade to a 3rd Wave which is in a league of its own.
Compared to my PEAK, the UI isn't clumsy like the PEAK, and the sound is a whole new level.
S6, well that has to be seen/used 1st hand to make comparisons, I can do what the S6 does, just much quicker and with twice the voicing.
What ever you have, enjoy making music, is my motto.
@kierenmoore3236 Well, to each their own, I love the sound of the Super 6. They are beautiful instruments. And I get the intention behind the design: it's a performance box, with a ton of capabilities. When using it, I relied heavily on my ears and had the task of committing the controls to muscle memory. But with a Trigon already, and that my use cases are mostly studio recording, I could part with it. I'd consider repurchasing at a lower resell price.
@@Station2Station-du2gh Tell me more: did it scratch the itch?
This is a beautiful Demo of a modern classic beast of synth. Thanks loopop for not only showing, explaning but furthermore playing it excellently. The UDOs ticks all boxes regarding hands on Sound exploration. Some may say, its expensive and missing this and that, but - owning an early s6 - touching it the first time you‘ll fell in love with it. Build like a tank to last. Well designed. And considering, that this is made by a small excellent manufacturer in Bristol, and by I‘d say a young brave Mastermind George Hearn in tradition of Dave Smith. In a personal experience - very caring about his customers. There are more complex and Feature packed synths that are cheaper (Hydras), and others, doing far less and priced higher (Prophet 5). But this is at the end a combining best of all. Its for those, who love CS 80s (no display again) and Juno/Jupiters, Roland does not build anymore in this high quality since decades. Plus all modern stuff included. Anyway: a small Display or an optional Editor (not a big deal,there is one for S6) really would help organize the Sound Designs. My wishlist: Small Display, even a classic 3 digit would help, and a bit less in price. An observation : you‘ll find the UDOs in all that avantgarde synth heros studios: Matt Bowdler / The unfinished (Dune Soundtrack), Alex Ball, … there is a reason … 😉
I own the Super 6 without the extra features (keyboard, ribbon controller) and I don’t need anything else bigger or better. Still my best purchase ever. Incredible good sound.
not only can you upgrade the keyboard on S6, but you can also get a ribbon controller for it. Amazing line of synths, I am a happy owner of the S6, and while I do love Gemini, I wish they left LFO1 clone function as I often use DDS2 as a modulator, and LFO1 as a second oscillator. Also, UDO community is amazing and George and his team keep improving S6 (biggest thing for me is the latest fw with mix as modulation destination).
Thanks!
Perfect timing that you are making a video of the Super Gemini, just ordered one a week back.. perfect watching while waiting for it to arrive. :)
oh nice! would love to hear what you create with it
@@loopop I am super curious too, it feels like a proper performance synth.. straight up with the magic machines like the CS-80. I am pretty stoked actually, its been a while i felt this excited about a new machine. :)
Streets won’t forgot those classic Burg jams
@@gel1912 👋😎🤚
@@BURG MS20 needs to step aside now that you have a real pad machine :D
Always appreciate your honesty. I sold my super six I really liked it too. I’ve played with the super 8 and the Gemini a bunch of times now and I got to say I would probably pick one up if it had a screen because it’s absolutely a complete mess of trying to find where things are. The irony is everyone’s gonna record this into a giant computer screen anyways. OK, people who are offended by this and not gonna buy this any way go ahead and Que the backlash comments.
Coffee, loopop and a dream synth is a dam good way to start my Saturday.
Great playing at the end!
That ring mod really gives it a CS80 vibe, I love that very much.
I love how the UDO synths sound, but went with the Novation Summit instead. The Summit has tons of modulation routes on the front panel as knobs, so it is a cheaper alternative to the Super 8 that still feels quite immediate, and is great for exploring with knobs. I do think that the UDO sounds somewhat nicer with respect to pure oscillators. But when it comes to sounds with filter+drive or heavy FX the Summit has a unique character of its own.
@@kierenmoore3236 You can do the same on the Summit. Just create a multi, pan them left and right with the same patch asigned...Done (8 voice binaural on the Summit).
I don’t think you guys understand how “binaural” works it’s not just about panning the same preset left and right, but rather using a different phased modulator to the left and right voices. I explain it in depth in video if you care to watch that section. It not impossible to do on other synths, just explaining what it is.
I did a binaural patch once. There is a start phase on the Summit LFO page, but I didn’t have much audible success with that so maybe I am still missing something
@@loopop there is a reason "Binaural" audio exists, it's 3D positional audio and anyone who says it's a "gimmick", clearly does not know how it works.
How we hear and how this is done in a synth is totally different than a panning hard L and R of a copied patch.
This is why you literally need no FX on the UDO, it can achieve 3D space with the binaural aspect.
I appreciate your patience with this individual, but alas I think your words are falling on deaf ears.
I have both Summit and Gemini. So far I have not been able to replicate the same binaural sounds on the Summit. There is phasing going on in other places than the lfo. A cheaper and very satisfying way to reach a grand binaural effect: get two Pro-800 , use the same preset, play them together one panned fully left and the other fully right. The effect is much more impressive than what my Summit delivers in that area. I’m sure the Summit must be able to do it also, but its inherent stability makes it more difficult to reach it quickly compared to analog designs such as Pro-800. On the Gemini, you should consider the binaural switch as a shortcut for getting these effects faster.
No screen is a deal breaker for such an expansive synth. At least they should make an app to use our phones instead.
Excellent video, as always! Can't wait for the Ableton Move video, especially after they just said they won't have more than 4 tracks, while the competition pretty much has all moved to 8 or more by now.
Thanks! and I released my Move video last week!
NIce! This thing is so big it barely fits on the screen. lol. UDO are absolute legends!
Yeah! At last! I got my Super Gemini last week. I absolutely love it.
I own this synth and the lack of a screen helps with the "tweak with your ears not your eyes" philosophy. However, given the lack of screen, this synth can really use a good editor for your computer, then it would be irresistible. Great sound quality, amazing build and look. Now George just needs to make a sound editor app.
If I had been a good boy and done my Hanon Exercises consistently the past year I could justify getting this wonderous synth.
Excellent, thorough review of the features. I'd like to hear it used in a jam, though.
Thanks! The last 16 minutes in the video are snippets how I jam - did you get to that part? If yes, how would you define a jam? drums in the background? Regardless, there are quite a few other videos of people playing it online.
@loopop To me, a jam would be a song-like piece with multiple instruments.
@@rlm4471ok - since these videos are synth reviews, personally I find including other instruments distracting and confusing, as it’s sometimes unclear what’s playing
@loopop Others include jams in their demos and do it in a way that makes it fairly clear how the featured device is contributing to the jam. To me, it's valuable to hear everything that a device can do in isolation, but with no musical context it's hard to get a sense of how a given device would actually help me to make music. It's also just not very fun to listen to a whole demo of a synth in isolation, because I would never use a synth like that. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong, but adding some more musical context here and there would be helpful for me.
@@rlm4471 it’s good there are others then :) personally I find other instruments in the mix distracting. That’s why I also don’t typically add effects though that’s what most people will do too
That’s a work of art.
There are no synths that make me feel utterly clueless as to what’s happening more than the UDO gear. Not at all a criticism, this is on me and my underdeveloped brain and skill level. Thanks man, awesome demonstration as always and explained all of what before I presumed was some kind of sorcery. Absolutely lush sounds from a synth that could last you a lifetime. Such an awesome move to offer upgrades on their other synths too, big thanks and appreciation to UDO. A great thing to see in synths that are a bit more premium priced.
The panel is straightforward, but the settings and blinking lights can be a real mystery. Arturia and Sequential have much better implementation of settings and mod matrix.
That being said, the synths look and sound beautiful. They are a lot of fun.
I'm no synth expert, but this one seems pretty straightforward to me. At least there's no menu diving. There's a lot happening, but none of it is unusual except for maybe the binaural modes.
@@googlingthevoidI think it’s because it feels like there’s so much going on and adjustments can make insane changes to the sound. Knob per function really lets you see the complexity and learn how you’re making your noises I think.
Completely agree, stunning in both regards. One day hahah!
@@kierenmoore3236 not magic?! Hahah 😄
@@rlm4471agreed, love the knob per function layout.
It’s time UDO releases Sysex memory dumps that can be triggered by program change. An external editor then can be used to show the settings. I love playing it, but I never make presets as it is now.
Fantastic sound..Got it already. 🎉❤
Very good Loopop❤ i am not buying this ❤❤❤
from Bill Bruford to Loopop. Nice playlist, Sir TH-cam!
Already have one, but very nice video! I’ll probably refer to it if I forget how to do something :)
Holy crap, first time I've owned SOMETHING BEFORE you! Didn't like playing the Polybrute, so we got a Gemini earlier this year...has been a sound design dream. Cleared 4 synths out the studio too. Just in love with this thing...and how nasty it can get!
Great video, thanks Ziv 🙏
A great synth - thanks for the opportunity to explore it!
Went with the polybrute 12 instead. Couldn’t be happier. The innovative keyed is unmatched.
That's nice.
Polybrute is fab but I have a Moog one and others so have most of that covered already so I went for the Super Gemini after have a Super 6 for a bit. It’s spectacular and much more flexible. I’ve had the original Polybrute too. Lovely synth. Except the keybed. But I hear it’s better on the 12.
@ all great options honestly, comes down to feature set and tone
@@theshillpill6937 Love everything about the Polybrute except for the sounds it makes lol
@ yeah I hear that often, but I’m glad I don’t have that problem. Honestly I don’t think my audience cares either, which is essentially comprised of my mother and my wife’s boyfriend
FINALLY! My Baby!
The demo was wonderful! Did you run it into any additional post fx or synth pre amp?
Thanks! No, you're hearing raw audio direct into my interface without any processing or effects
I had a Super 6 desktop, built like a tank but the lack of screen made it less forgiving for making patches.
The sound was great but just was not what I was looking for, so I returned it and got a 3rd Wave desktop instead.
For me the 3rd Waver does more, it was twice the price but I could justify it due to the extra voices and that screen which makes it a much better proposition.
I don't think you can go wrong with either companies, both are stellar choices, it all depends of what work flow you prefer.
Thx for the upload.
Quite inspiring what's coming out of that good-natured giant. Apparently one could listen for hours without getting bored and/or disturbed. Sometimes (or even often) it doesn't have to be the most sophisticated sound generation but rather the right blend of skillful parameter offer, straight access and a sound that supports its features; whereby the Super Gemini seems to have a pleasantly unobtrusive and balanced sound, which in turn makes the sweet spot appear remarkably large.
awesome.............amazing piece of gear...................(but no chapter markers?)........................another really wonderful upload
Thanks! And fixed the chapter markers :)
Great. they're so helpful (especially when we have to circle back months later, and giving in the G.A.S. and having one on it's way to us)
£3500 the Polysynth market is heating up.
Music Matter have a sale on at the mo, nearer £3000 now
@@Farold_Haltermeyer£2876 with the discount.
Killer synth, always killer reviews
thank you for not complaining too much about the SG not having any kind of screen or display. that's a deal breaker for some.
Not for me. The design philosophy of this synth is perfect for me. I have other synths with screens. This is much more fun to use.
Actually sought it out for that reason!
Yeah for sure. The lack of a need for a screen is a major attraction of this synth. Love that it’s upgradable too!!! I don’t have one… yet, but I’ve got a rev 2 and a hydra deluxe and love them both. This is the only other synth that I can’t stop thinking about even though I know I don’t need it.
Thank you for Sharing!, they have to re consider the prices of the upgrade for the Super 6.
$ 688 = Super 6 "after touch and ribbon" upgrade option
$ 750 = Second Hand Hydra Synth 49 with Poly After Touch and Ribbon + a full great Synth inside
Very very different synths, and having had both of argue the S6 upgrade bed is a LOT nicer to play than the Hydra even in the Deluxe
question: what is the benefit of balanced vs unbalanced?
avoiding noise
you can also run longer cables without fear of signal loss too.
My oh my
Anyone know what type of scope was used to display the binaural stuff?
MStereoscope
It surely sounds amazing and colossal. But it’s overwhelming to me. Too big for a small room as well. I’d need at least a month with this thing to really see what it can do.
Find it really intuitive and am enjoying it. I find I create more patches on it than my Moog One.
Consider a Super 6 . As I did. and got very well with it. Small but big in Sound. Or the Desktop S6.
@ i had a S6 for a few weeks, we didn’t get along
I actually didn't need much temptation this time.
nice one
Still waiting for your OP-XY video!!
I'm still waiting for my OP-XY!
@ ahh. They should have sent you one first! wtf!!!🤬
What song is being referenced in the first 8 notes in the video? It sounds so familiar and it's driving me crazy that I can't figure it out
Well, if you're from the copyright police, I'd say it's just a random set of notes I played in no particular order. Totally coincidentally, a viewer wrote it reminds them of She Blinded Me With Science by Thomas Dolby
@ mum’s the word. Thank you so much!
53:10 PS1 startup sound. Instant purchase.
My rule is 'if it's digital, just use plugins instead'.
@@------YeahOK------ not trying to convince you of anything (personally I think it’s about sound and hands on controls) but the filters are analog
Sweet
One advantage of the 8 over the Gemini is its ability to modulate LFO1 rate from the bender; this is essential if you are doing audio rate modulation with LFO 1 and want the tuning ratios to remain intact when doing pitch bends.
I have the SG and adore it. But, to be honest, if I’d waited a bit I’d probably (rightly or not) gone with the polybrute. But I’m happy with it.
PolyBrute 12 + UDO S6 Module is always an option. Albeit an expensive one.
It’s much better than the Polybrute IMO. I’ve had a Polybrute. It’s great but it’s more limited and the build isn’t as good. The mod matrix is the standout feature on the PB though.
UDOMG !!
What are you using for the graphic screen?
That joint made an X , I saw a Lobster, mad stuff
lol I use Mstereoscope, MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionally I’ll use scopes by VCV
This synth is pretty incredible.
If I had the money (which I don't currently) I'm wondering if I'd spend it on this or the Polybrute 12. Anyone have any thoughts?
All up to you honestly. Our opinions really shouldn't sway you beyond maybe if someone's had issues. Whether or not it sounds good, feels good, is fun to use, fits on your desk, is affordable to you - is all personal opinion. I could tell you negatives and positives for each of those points and either could be my opinion. Best bet is to try one yourself if possible!
@@haz8064 if you can try both it's the best route. I spent a few hours in Andertons (their Gemini was actually broken a bit) and went with the Polybrute for the features in the end, but two weeks later I'd switched for the Gemini and never looked back. Feature sets are fine and all, but when an instrument just has something special to it and talks to you then no feature list can beat it
All synths sound the same 😌
But this is a SuperSynth
Doesn’t this use the bigbad oscillators?
🔥👊🧡👍🔥
Why get this when you could get two op-xys.
I bet it's beyond my affordability...
It’s absolutely fantastic though. I got mine last week. I love it as much as my Moog One.
No MIDI 2.0?
@@djRoyalTee no
People say its expensive yet people will happily pay more for a prophet 10 which , although iconic, is a very limited synth so this seems a bargain especially as it sounds so fat with swirls of sharp fm serenading the layered sound, nice, but better than the muse 🤔?
Both the prophet and muse have fatar keybeds, I hate the one on the prophet and I believe it's the exact same one on Muse. The super 6 keybed is definitely better, I imagine the after touch version is also better
People will complain and parrot what other negative thinkers say, it's a sheep mentality.
Buy what you want and enjoy it, life is far too short.
No display is good, It's more like a musical instruments rather than "computer". And also, if there is a little screen and not so convenient, I prefer all physical control like this.
You nailed it!!🎉
hi
naaah that thing is too big. do you know whats not too big? the opxy 8) - i wont shut up until my gas brain is satisfied. much love ❤
Four grand well spent. 😂
Sure is
with the newer PAT keybed, this is something people would love to use, I just felt that I wanted more so moved of from my S6 to a 3rd Wave.
Gemini isn't in module form yet so is a little hard to fit on my desk where space is at a premium.
Kid: Mom I want Gemini synthesizer.
Mom: Son we have synthesizer at home.
Home: Summit.
I'd actually prefer to have that one, believe it or not
@@zdravkodimitrov having owned both the Super 6 and still owning the PEAK, they're totally diff synths, S6 is so much more inviting to use, but the lacking of screen is off putting for the more complex modulation routings.
I got a 3rd Wave from a trade up of the S6.
PEAK, well that's like my other entry level bits of gear, nothing exciting, just heavily reliant on FX to carry it.
So no Playend Synth review? What about OP-XY? I get your position re Behringer, but why no Playend or TE?
I have nothing against Polyend or TE at all! Unfortunately both companies didn't send me their instruments pre launch (or even offer that I buy them), so you need to ask them, not me. While I might still buy/borrow their instruments in the future, when there's so much coverage about something (especially Polyend Synth, which seems nice BTW), I prefer to take the road less travelled and explore other gear. I might do OP-XY though, as that seems like something I'd travel with.
@loopop Sorry to disappoint you ;), but to me, your reviews are in another league! Only Nick's (sonicstate) reviews come close.
Meh... big meh
Review us top notch as always but I'm so tired from those overpriced VSTs in the box...
Thanks. I'm not sure it's overpriced considering what you get and who you get it from, nor if FPGA oscs and analog filters qualify as "vst in box" but if you're fine with VSTs on a computer, then Gemini's price is irrelevant
Agreed, tRoland make some of the worst VSTs in a box, but other companies excel in making great digital synths, FPGA is an amazing tool when used well.
PEAK, UDO6 and 3rd Wave, all which I have owned, all use FPGA and are brilliant what what hey do.
Show me 1 VST which has an analog filter, then you can start to compare, but tRoland Cloud seems to mimic what all their synths do, that's where VSTs in a box comes into it.