How has the number of cup holders become such an important issue???? lol The Dodge has EIGHT and the Ford has FIVE! I'm thinking who needs that many cup holders???
cup holders are a big deal to me because they hold more than cups. For instance I keep my makeup in one and extra change in another so I find uses for them. in fact sometimes when I have a cup my cup holders are full of other stuff. 😁
Luck of the draw. Reliability on vehicles comes down to preventative maintenance done by the owner. There's a bit of chance involved also due to the mass production element as well. You can never know if the van was properly assembled and inspected off the line that day. Maybe the line manager wasn't paying attention, and had too many tequilas over the weekend in Cancun. And if you're buying used, in most cases, people used it for work (company/fleet vehicles). Which means they've been beat up. Only way to know at this point is to drive it around for a few days and have a few mechanics look at it to get a varied opinion. On a side note, a gas engine is where it's at for maintenance. No turbos, no diesels. Turbos have limited life spans and modern diesels have been infected with emissions limitation devices.
They are both good very good vans. Comes down to personal preference / needs for the most part. Transit PRO: * more engine choices * more roof height choices (the medium roof is 6' inside, an overlooked option for average and shorter folks) * more popular = more peer knowledge, US aftermarket support, more used Transits for sale * mechanical limited-slip differential option due to RWD * better towing due to RWD Transit CON: * backup camera in the door so you can't see if you are backing up with the doors open * relatively short wheelbase for vehicle length * least ground clearance of any fullsize cargo van * costs more Promaster PRO: * very wide. 4" wider at the bottom and more like 6" at the top since it doesn't narrow significantly up top. * more cargo volume at every length * better traction due to FWD * lower cargo area due to FWD. This gives 10" more headspace for a given roof height * commodity engine and trans (3.6l pentastar, 62TE trans) easily sourceable * .9" more ground clearance than Transit * better turning radius for each wheelbase * costs less to buy and operate: my TCO calculations show the Transit costing 6.7% more over 5 years (including purchase, fuel for base engines, maintenance, insurance, etc) * dominates European RV market = European aftermarket support (but can be expensive to import) Promaster CON: * only one gas engine option * FWD, if you don't like that * some folks don't like the bus-like driving ergos * rebadged FIAT Ducato, if you base your buying decisions on memories of the 1970s I bought the 159" high roof Promaster and absolutely LOVE it. Here is a comparison of van specs for those currently making the decision: rvwiki.mousetrap.net/doku.php?id=rv:cargo_van:comparo
I've heard that the Promaster needs repairs more often and it can sometimes take a while to get fixed. I was leaning towards the Transit because of that. Does anyone have an opinion?
I own a 2017 Ford Transit and I do like it. I already have over 180 000 miles on it. I used my van commercially so it does get used. I will do a 2 yrs review and talk about the pros and cons on the Transit soon.
I work for a company that has mostly Ford Transits and a few Promasters. I was unlucky enough to get the Promaster. In my opinion having lots of experience with both vehicles the Ford is far more reliable. Promaster at 79k was having heads rebuilt, constant coolant and oil leaks. Alk of our promasters have smelled like coolant from the time they were new. Also the promaster gas option is extreamly underpowered. And a nonstop annoying electric fan that constantly cycles. The biggest problem with the Transits we have are rear brakes. The Transit hands down blows the Promaster out of the water in almost every category.
I have drove both for work so when it comes to van life its ford all the way.Driving comfort and powertrain is what is important with van living and the ford is by far the better of the two.
I rented a ford from U-haul, camped in the back for a week in Florida. I agree the rear view mirror camera is poor, I almost backed into someone at a crowded gas station. It did have a cigar lighter type outlet in the back. It times out when the ignition is off, like the interior lights time out. I got up to 25 mpg on the highway driving gently. I liked it very much but I have seen a lot of bad press on various forums and you tube. High top must pay a penalty in mpg.
I always thought that would be savvy option for say if your a Midwesterner like myself that likes flying to CA to surf but doesn't want to rack up hotel fare. Cheers!
I think this is a great video on the Dodge Ram Pro-Master. I watched a video review on the Sprinter, Ford Transit, and Dodge Pro-Master. It was a professional race car driving them on a dry track. He rated them in this order, Ford Transit first, Sprinter, than the Dodge Pro-Master. I think they are all great vans and it basically comes down to personal preference. I will do more reviewing before I decide on which van to choose. Thank you so much for this video!
Shavauna Ronan thank you. I'm surprised they weren't rated as Mercedes, ford then dodge. Clearly the Mercedes is the best but I believe it only comes in diesel and I don't want diesel. The ford probably does drive better but for van life I think the dodge wins. Front wheel drive is better in the snow and getting out of ditches. The cab is a lot nicer in the dodge. The dodge high top (there's only a low and high) is 6' 3" inside but the ford medium is only 6 ft so then I'd have to pay more and get the high top ford which looks way too tall. It's a close call with the ford and dodge. I'd be fine with either one. The Mercedes I would prefer but I don't want diesel because of the expense of gas and maintenance
It would have been nice if you got a Ford transit similarly spec'd as the Dodge. The way you could find better flaws between the two if one is looking for a specific build.
I've got the High roof, long wheel base Transit New Zealand model, and it definitely has a few things over the one you reviewed here. Including: - USB port beside the back door. - Sliding door that locks open. - Big storage space over the cab. - NZ has diesel, manual only I certainly don't fit in many parks. Often I can reverse in and the tail hangs over the end of the park happily. Sometimes I just poke out and choose a park that's got plenty of space for people to go around :)
I have heard that the promaster transmissions are weak, have you found that. What about gas mileage between the two. Some comments below say that the seat is very uncomfortable, I am very short, do you think, it would be better? I am also looking to camperize a van and trying to decide on which van would be best" the Ford or the Dodge. I have a Dodge Caravan now and find the driving seat very comfortable. I do want more space and head room, now. Thank you for your informative video.
Bergeron Designs mpg is about the same on both. The dodge is front wheel drive so that alone I think makes it the better choice. Going off road or getting stuck in snow the front wheel is better. I've heard about the transmissions too, if you are really into mechanics and cars you will feel a difference but I don't really. I have friends that have had dodge and rams up to 300k miles with no issues. There's always lemons out there with every company though
I've been driving Ford E Series vans since 1978 and currently own a 2005 E150. Even the crappiest offering of the new generation of cargo vans would be a huge upgrade for me.
any brand new van will do the trick, we really need to know which van holds up. few of us have the cash to replace the van every two years. I have seen videos of the ford rusting and water dripping on the computer under the hood.
The $1,000,000 question! I ended up going with a promaster myself mainly because of the extra width. I also found the driver cockpit more comfortable to be in. The dash design is easy on the eyes; the round edges with nothing too fancy on the design. High roof extended was already the ultimate choice when I was shopping here myself. I'd Be damned if I had to crawl around like a rat in my own house. Parking isn't all that bad, sticks out a bit but well worth it for the extra real estate. Gas is a must, and I wouldn't get no diesel or turbo options. The simpler the mechanics, the better the maintenance. Average Cost of ownership is slightly less on the promasters when comparing the 3.7 vs 3.6. The 3.6 powertrain is widely available. (Lots of wranglers on the road!) With the turbos and the diesels going way up in average maintenance costs. With that being said, a turbo would be nice on a new van with warranty. The extra power would make merging easier, especially in the metropolitan.
I have the 159" EXT and it's sometimes an issue but usually not enough of an issue where it's a problem. I just back in the van and it fits in a normal space. Definitely go with the 159" EXT Diesel if you want extra space, they're hard to find but worth the wait.
Perfect timing with your 20% off coupon for me to use. This is the best price so far. I agree that the Inergy Kodiak is the best and simplest option to power the van.
T M glad you were able to use the 20 percent off while it's available! Hope the kodiak works out for your van, it's been great so far in mine. I even started running a heated blanket all night with it.
T M glad you were able to use the 20 percent off while it's available! Hope the kodiak works out for your van, it's been great so far in mine. I even started running a heated blanket all night with it.
Where's Your Neighborhood i definitely prefer using an electric blanket instead of a space heater in the van. It will be helpful to see a video of various ways of how you use the Kodiak for van.
Thanks! I have one van conversion already on my channel. Unless you are referring to my next build that I will be doing soon (I mention this in my most recent video about my current van for sale).
I finally gave up on getting the transit, the load floor comes up to my knee, I couldn't even get in it without a stool. Looking at the promaster which looks really good right now. My questions would be how dependable is it, how does it drive, AND the secret number that is the best guess for mpg on a v8. I swear I saw a promaster on the site with a V8 option, but I don't see it now.
I'm not making a comparison to the low roof and the high roof. If you listen and watch the whole thing I talk about how I have test drove a high top transit. I mostly talk about the high top transit. The low top is just in the video because that's all I had to show.
Promaster IS front wheel drive BUT wheel base is longer so more weight in cargo area is shifted to the front wheels instead of being balanced over the rear.
I test drove all the top 3 vans (Sprinter, Transit, Promaster) and I came away with my favorites in that order. I really wanted to like the Dodge on the account of it being the cheapest, but holy crap the driving position is the absolute worst. I read a bunch of non-van life reviews on it after my test drive and many people came to the same conclusion. No tilt steering or seat height adjustment, and me being 6’3” I have to slide the seat all the way back which still cramps my legs in the nonexistent footwell...which in turn leaves me way too far away from the wheel having my arms outstretched constantly. I think the issue stems from the fact that it’s a rebadged Fiat Ducato, and was designed for (generally) smaller Europeans. I would have to guess you must be either 6’ or under if this doesn’t affect you...I’ve heard you drove this thing across the country, so I’m curious as to how you feel after a long drive. Also I’m in agreement as far as performance, it was the slowest and worst handling of the bunch. Sorry I know this sounds like ripping on your ride, I’m just actually curious as to how you overcome the ergonomic obstacles I mentioned.
I've never driven the sprinter and didn't consider it an option for me because of the price and that it's diesel. I'm 6 foot and first I didn't like the non tilt wheel but now I forgot all about it. The dodge seems more comfortable to me. Drove it across the country twice now and it was pretty good except going up hills but I assume they are all terrible at that. The brakes are smooth but not good enough, the ford brakes are great but too touchy I could see my self tapping them and having the van jerk to stop and getting rear ended. But the doge I could easily hit someone from behind since they don't stop that easily in a fast situation. I like the handling on U turns and parking but it does seem slow at acceleration.
I agree.. all good with Dodge, except the driving position.. it's way beyond awkward, almost at dangerous level for me. I honestly don't know how people drive it full time... I also saw many posts about delivery employees complaining about the driving position in the Dodge. I leaned towards Dodge until I sat behind the wheel. Ford by far has more comfortable driving position in my experience.
JC Leeson I didn't feel a difference in driving position or leg room between the dodge and ford. Both of them the seats don't recline almost at all, and force you to sit up very straight. I like this but I would like to lean back more. Leg room seems the same to me in both. If you are bigger I could see the wheel getting in the way with the dodge since there's no tilt wheel. But it is telescoping so you could just bring it closer to you and get it off of your thighs.
Many folks dislike the buslike ergos. I am 6' tall with 34" inseam and find it comfortable. Then again I loved my vw bus so maybe I'm a weirdo. The seat height *is* adjustable, though it is a weird two-step process.
I don't understand why FCA doesn't sell the new front end van in US. The van is almost identical to yours but very nice. In Europe if you add Fiat, Citroen and Peugeot vans the Ducato-Promaster is way the best selling van.
I am upgrading my old 1997 GMC conversion/weekend camper. We want to sleep side to side in the next build. My pre build van only budget is around $25K, most interested in either the pro master or the transit but if the extra bed side to side rules out the transit, then that is major. So..... can a 5’10” guy and his shorter wife sleep side to side in the transit medium roof or do I just buy the ram??
Are you still happy with the van? How long have you had it? What year was that? There are some bad reviews but I really lean towards ProMaster. Just wanted an other feedback
Get a sprinter. I run a time sensitive delivery service. My 2011 has 540,000 miles and my 2014 has 281,000 miles both problem free, just regular oil changes, def fluid and brakes. We bought a Promaster in 2014 and went thru 2 transmissions and repaired a leaking head gasket the first 18 months, $11,000 worth of maintenance-typical Chrysler garbage. Just traded in the Promaster in for a 2018 Sprinter. Had to get rid of it before something else went wrong.
The Transit has been made since 1965 (30 years longer than the Sprinter). The FIAT Ducato, sold as Promaster in North America since 2014, has been made since 1981 (14 years longer than the Sprinter). I have nothing against the Sprinter; it's a great van and is known for excellent driving dynamics. My intent is to help onlookers make decisions based on objective criteria rather than anecdote, and to counteract FUD. Our conversation has reminded me to add in Ducato so we capture the issues under that nameplate over the past 37 years. Here are the updated results: 26,900 hits Sprinter “replaced engine” 24,700 hits Transit -connect “replaced engine” 7,320 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city “replaced engine” 1,620 hits NV2500 “replaced engine” 8,460 hits Transit -connect “replaced transmission” 7,810 hits Sprinter “replaced transmission” 450 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city “replaced transmission” 107 hits NV2500 “replaced transmission” 17,000,000 hits Sprinter problem 9,700,000 hits Transit -connect problem 591,000 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city problem 59,000 hits NV2500 problem 1,400,000 hits Sprinter junk 775,000 hits Ford Transit -connect junk 125,000 hits NV2500 junk 70,300 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city junk 9,710 hits Sprinter site:carcomplaints.com 7,700 hits NV2500 site:carcomplaints.com 6,090 hits Transit -connect site:carcomplaints.com 5,750 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city site:carcomplaints.com
Now look at the annual sales of each van.... That really puts it into perspective.... Fords been at it with the transit since 1953 originating in Germany. Last year sales alone in US Transit 127K Promaster 40K Sprinter 27K NV2500 17K. Ford transit sales nearly double all the competition and that's just in the US alone. I own none but for the volume of sales Promaster Sprinter and Nissan sell and the issues they have are way way to many. They barely sell any units
Donkly Dorkus McDingle ah thanks. Due to some unfortunate events I had to stop traveling and making videos for a long time. Came down with some serious health issues unfortunately. Otherwise I never would have stopped making videos. I’ll explain it all on the channel eventually
Issues/life/health getting in the way of travel, is still a real part of trying to stay on the road. You should talk about what got in the way. It would still be interesting content for people wanting to van life and informative. hope you're well.
For the smaller vans I'd consider the NV200 for 25%-40% less (depending on options): better mpg, more interior height, much better ground clearance, etc. About the only advantage I see for Metris is looks and width. But for Metris money you could get a low roof promaster that would have 13" more cargo area height (!) and 13" more cargo area width (!), 2x the ground clearance, 63% more cargo volume (!) and no MB $$$ service bills.
Enginewise, how us the Promaster? I hear Sprinter owners having problems with engines, heaters and such and either not being able to find parts or just really expensive. I know you did American to American comparison.
Googling as of Jul 2018: 26,900 hits Sprinter “replaced engine” 24,700 hits Transit -connect “replaced engine” 1,620 hits NV2500 “replaced engine” 460 hits Promaster -city “replaced engine” The 3.6L engine is an easily sourceable item, new or used as a pull.
I want a hightop van like the dodge promaster, but all I ever seem to hear is how unreliable dodges in general are. The promaster included. I suppose the next best thing would be either a nissan nv or high top ford transit then?
I had a promaster when I use to do expiditing and there nice and have alot space the tall roof and extended one, the transit are nice also get the tall roof ones.... Only thing I hated on promaster is the driver seats don't adjust good for long driving and steering wheel don't adjust can't get relaxed lol
C Golden high top transit and promaster 159 wheel base get about the same 13-15 average. The smaller wheel base and the low top (in thumbnail picture on the right) will get slightly better mpg
R. Schreckengost actually I did. I just showed the low roof in the beginning because that’s all I had available to show. And then I go on to say I test drove the high roof ford and then talked the whole video about my big promaster compared to a high roof ford. And the low roof ford is basically the exact same thing so either way It works.
claire higgins not really comparing the low top transit to my promaster. I show it and talk about it because my uncle has that van. But then I talk about how I have driven a high top transit and that is what I am comparing it too. But the low top is very similar to a high top minus the height difference.
To me, at least, it was clear you compared those two vehicles because that was what was available to you. Yours and your uncle's. With that in mind, it was fair.
selfmade323 I’ve seen it with Fords and promasters. Also seen them both go over 100k with no issues. It’s really just luck of the draw. Talked to a guy that works for a company that has 5 promasters with no issues at all. Then other ppl have a ton of issues. Really all luck
Th only thing I don't like about the promaster is the plastic front end. NV 2500 might be ok if you can handle the looks and you get a 5 year warranty.
The front bumper section is built modularly in three parts so city traffic bumps can be fixed by replacing the damaged section and not the whole front end. Headlights mounted high to protect them from damage in city traffic. It's not the best looking van in the world (looking at you 1st generation Toyota Previa! /swoon) but it is practical.
I think the Promaster is the ugliest van I've ever seen. The front end is just hideous. FCA is also known for its low initial quality ratings. I don't care for the Transit either because of the cheap interior. Personally, I'd choose a MB Sprinter for a van conversion, even with it's somewhat higher price, mainly because it offers am excellent V6 diesel and can be ordered with 4WD. They are known for excellent long term reliability. Maintenance is expensive on Sprinters, but I'd be doing my own, so that wouldn't be an issue for me. In any case, I hope your Promaster works out.
D LG I thought this too at first. When I saw how nice the promasters are in person, I bought one. It actually looks good to me now, kinda like marrying an ugly girl with a great personality, she looks better with time :p. And it's a van, not a sports car, promaster is overall a better van than the sprinter/transit/nv
It's excellent V6 diesel lol Your joking right? 3.0 l blue tech engines are blowing up at a 100k miles at an alarming rate so not sure what you're talking about when you say excellent . Maybe Excellent for the Mercedes dealerships parts department with all the engine sales.
My regular company issued van is a Ford Transit 250 hightop extended length. Occaissionally I have used a ProMaster. The Ford acccelerates better. The Ford windshield sorta curves overtop of me providing excellent visibility. The Dodge visibility as annoying. High seat height but the top of the windshield was low in comparison. Cupholders. Im right handed so i like to use the center ones. Why in the hell did Dodge put them in the floor. I have a bad disc in my back and a hernia in my right abdomen making the center cupholders unusable.
Chris Little my uncle has a low top so that’s what I got to test out. Basically the same thing as a high but just lower. I also stated in the video that I test drove the high top at a dealership so this was a comparison of the high top ford and the promaster.
Drove the Dodge Promaster 76" interior high top for work really feel its a great vehicle! However, When not loaded with some weight one has to exercise care in high winds!
Mine is fully loaded in the back and I haven't had much trouble with high winds. I have driven it in windy situations and it get's pushed around a bit but doesn't feel like its going to flip or anything.
Whatever you do, remember this: - Chrysler has better and luxurious quality, drives better, seats are softer, and has the best storage - Ford is more for work, has more power in the engine, has better gas mileage, and has more features for construction workers/plumbers/electricians(you get it). Both are very reliable, but Ford is slightly more reliable than Chrysler. And remember, it's not only for the vans and the trucks, but for other vehicles in general.
@@WheresYourNeighborhood Oh man, another dude grounded by his girl. Ugh. Is my wife the last woman in the world or something? Your girl should not try to change you, especially since she obviously met you while you were doing this. She knew what your lifestyle was. Unfortunate keyword - was. It should be - *is*. My wife has always stuck by my side and supported me in my endeavors no matter what, so long as I pay her plenty of attention, keep sweeping her off her feet and carrying her across mucky parking lots after a rain to the car and such, Life on the road isn't always easy, but you yourself said it - you can always eat and live on the cheap and find something local to do for money to pay the bills while you build your channel. You had a great start, all you needed to do was put up a Patreon, keep your videos consistent, and even while you were stuck in an area while you made some money to pay bills before moving on... even if it was 3 months or so... people love consistency. Your channel growth, and income growth would have quicly grown to where it would provide for your continuation and then proliferation. You can't just give up, or that's where it ends. I made that same mistake in my past. You're not alone or anything, but if you set your mind right - you could still make this work if you want it. You just have to work hard for it before it breaks over. I hope everything works out for you man.
NameSake Radio thanks man, ya I knew I needed to make more videos and set up a patreon and all that. I was going to go at it full force and make videos every day and then I hurt my back. Then I got better and was about to get on the road again 4 months ago and then I developed a horrible disease and have been almost dying for the past 4 months. It’s crazy how life can go from good/great to horrible so quickly. I want to make videos but I’m super weak and don’t have the motivation to make any especially since I can’t travel.
@@WheresYourNeighborhood I've been there man. I've got epilepsy and just about gave up after 10 years of not finding anything to control it. Finally found the right Dr. and got me on the right meds. Haven't had a seizure in over 20 years now. Getting kicked in the teeth sucks, especially right after you've gotten back on your feet. Persevere man - you'll get through it. When you do, just jump right back in full force. There's only so many times life can knock you down before it either kills you, or it gives in and you win. Then you just keep winning! Take care.
I like promaster comes in a short length..its also wider for sleeping across..but the driving position is too strange..I'll have to test drive again..I wish the seat was lower..I'm 6ft tall and it's to high !!
The clearance under the back axial was an issue for me. The Dodge seems to only have a few inch clearance. For a front wheel drive van it seems they could have fixed this.
It has the same clearance as the Sprinter and almost an inch more than the Transit. Within 0.2" of the E-series and Express. The only "van" with real clearance is the NV2500 with a little over 8".
I have a 2016 Dodge ProMaster extended I pull a small jetter worst design ever making it front wheel drive and I don't know what happened with the dodge brakes used to be good if it wasn't for throwing it in manual coming to a sudden stop when that happen using just the brakes the brakes on the ProMaster suck so bad
David Simons ya the brakes started to feel weird at 32k miles but then I sold it. I met someone that had a promaster over 200k miles and had no major work done on it though. I'd rather have front wheel than rear when it comes to the snow.
some fantastic talking points and very helpful with choosing the best van for van life! i think the length of the van is crucial when trying to be stealth in parking lots!
Why would you make this comparison and come right out and say you can stand in the Ford Transit, knowing the transit is standard roof and you have a medium roof. It would stand to make sense you compare comparable Van's of the same size.
I don't like the driving position on promaster also they don't look level on The he road..higher in back..I drove transit a d found is relaxing to drive..wish they made a short model 118 WBC like promaster...smallest transit is 130 wb..I will go with that for recreation and work combo *..you can find used transits for 20k with low milage
The pro master has terrible reviews, I think the pro master is probably a good van. The only problem is that every other van is better in every aspect! Same is true for minivans and pickups.
Frater Mus , I’m simply trying to say that today’s cars are wonderful compared to the past they are all pretty good. Dodge trucks are great,every other truck is better. Promaster van is great, every other van is better. Dodge caravans is a great van, every other minivan is better. Mopar products are always at the bottom both in price and reliability. None of this is a secret, nor is it hard to understand. You will never get more than you pay for!
Glenn Hughes you must not have watched the video. That low top was all I had available for the video but I talk about how I test drive a high top. And there is not many differences between a low and high top transit so it’s all good.
Low roof Ford Transit. Promasters have their issues. Can't see thru the steering wheel (which telecsopes but does not tilt) and headloghts burn out frequently. Promasters also LEAK especially at the side door, that almost never closes properly.
I have owned both, Promaster total piece junk even the dealer wont back up there warranty. Love the Chevy but need more room . Did the Promaster for 3 long years . The only thing good about it is a lot of room for cargo . Everything that is wrong with it . Brakes squeal . 1800 to replace them at 50 k .The doors wont close or they wont open . Windows wont go all the way down .Seat is like sitting on a toilet .5 cup holders none convenient for the driver , Head light and tail lights keep burning out , radiator replaced 2 times , terrible in the snow and rain . always running 3-4000 rpm, trani moans terrible when cold . Cant keep tires on it .
KNIGHT MARE KING right I like the ram more if you couldn’t tell from the video. I also wasn’t comparing the low roof in the video that’s all I had available. You must not have watched the video cause I explain how I’ve driven the bigger transit and the low roof is the same thing basically (not a mini van) lol.
It is not a Dodge product it is a RAM product all belong under Chrysler-Fiat but the truck division is not under Dodge anymore(2010 the last Dodge Ram) it is under the name Ram(Only).
bjorwen heard that a lot... in the u.s. We don't have those here so in the states it is a Dodge Ram promaster. Should I refer to it as a fiat even though we call it a promaster ?
Yes correct! Its a RAM. Put together by the RAM division in Mexico. Then added the 3.6 Penstar gas engine. The Fiat Ducato was shared in the development cost with Peugeot and Citreon known as the Boxer and the Jumper, respectively. Its not a Chrysler Promaster, its not a Jeep Promaster ,Its not a Dodge Promaster, its a RAM Promaster. PS Where's Your Neighborhood I am on your side. Enjoyed your video. I owned one since March of 2014.
Yeah for me I think the RPM is one ugly van and the FT cab interior is so out dated , I’ll stick with my Chevy Express 2500 2010 I know Chevy hasn’t change the Express Van Since 03 , these vans imo are really work horses and reliable that’s why they haven’t changed anything from the front bumper to the rear bumper I know contractors with over 400,000 miles and still going strong as for my 2010 I have 105,000 miles and just regular maintenance and 2 sets of tires 2 batteries and new Brakes has never broken down in 9 years , but to keep up with demands they are finally offering a higher top in 2020 we will see
@@WheresYourNeighborhood damn dude I was bummed out when I found your channel and saw that you haven't uploaded in a year, I hope you get back on the road soon
Marshall march thanks for the motivation/positivities! I hope so, went from the best year of my life to the worst year in 2018. Hope you have a great 2019 as well
silvermonk13 It's not the material that dictates the heat. It's the colour. If you don't believe me put your hand on the top of a black car when it's in the Sun and then put your hand on a white car you'll burn your hand on a black car where a white car will be lukewarm.
How has the number of cup holders become such an important issue???? lol The Dodge has EIGHT and the Ford has FIVE! I'm thinking who needs that many cup holders???
Joey Oliver isn’t an important issue but ya I’m going to mention it. And the more the better, I like my cup holders lol
cup holders are a big deal to me because they hold more than cups. For instance I keep my makeup in one and extra change in another so I find uses for them. in fact sometimes when I have a cup my cup holders are full of other stuff. 😁
Shirley Acuff Hi. I keep my extra large condoms in cup holders ( my nickname in school was three leg anaconda boy).
Joey Oliver I need 4 for empty cans 😂 until I can drop the trash
I am from Europe and dont understand why you need more then 1 😱🤣
Which van is more reliable though? I think that's more important when you get one of these to live in and drive in a lot.
Luck of the draw. Reliability on vehicles comes down to preventative maintenance done by the owner.
There's a bit of chance involved also due to the mass production element as well. You can never know if the van was properly assembled and inspected off the line that day. Maybe the line manager wasn't paying attention, and had too many tequilas over the weekend in Cancun.
And if you're buying used, in most cases, people used it for work (company/fleet vehicles). Which means they've been beat up. Only way to know at this point is to drive it around for a few days and have a few mechanics look at it to get a varied opinion.
On a side note, a gas engine is where it's at for maintenance. No turbos, no diesels. Turbos have limited life spans and modern diesels have been infected with emissions limitation devices.
Mercedes sprinter diesel is the best van for a delivery driver. Transit is bigger and brakes well. Dodge Ram has best turning radius though.
They are both good very good vans. Comes down to personal preference / needs for the most part.
Transit PRO:
* more engine choices
* more roof height choices (the medium roof is 6' inside, an overlooked option for average and shorter folks)
* more popular = more peer knowledge, US aftermarket support, more used Transits for sale
* mechanical limited-slip differential option due to RWD
* better towing due to RWD
Transit CON:
* backup camera in the door so you can't see if you are backing up with the doors open
* relatively short wheelbase for vehicle length
* least ground clearance of any fullsize cargo van
* costs more
Promaster PRO:
* very wide. 4" wider at the bottom and more like 6" at the top since it doesn't narrow significantly up top.
* more cargo volume at every length
* better traction due to FWD
* lower cargo area due to FWD. This gives 10" more headspace for a given roof height
* commodity engine and trans (3.6l pentastar, 62TE trans) easily sourceable
* .9" more ground clearance than Transit
* better turning radius for each wheelbase
* costs less to buy and operate: my TCO calculations show the Transit costing 6.7% more over 5 years (including purchase, fuel for base engines, maintenance, insurance, etc)
* dominates European RV market = European aftermarket support (but can be expensive to import)
Promaster CON:
* only one gas engine option
* FWD, if you don't like that
* some folks don't like the bus-like driving ergos
* rebadged FIAT Ducato, if you base your buying decisions on memories of the 1970s
I bought the 159" high roof Promaster and absolutely LOVE it.
Here is a comparison of van specs for those currently making the decision:
rvwiki.mousetrap.net/doku.php?id=rv:cargo_van:comparo
Frater Mus Thank You for link to great comparison chart.
Who backs a van with their doors open?
Someone backing up to a loading dock.
But the new ford transit is AWD so it blows them all the way
I've heard that the Promaster needs repairs more often and it can sometimes take a while to get fixed. I was leaning towards the Transit because of that. Does anyone have an opinion?
I own a 2017 Ford Transit and I do like it. I already have over 180 000 miles on it. I used my van commercially so it does get used. I will do a 2 yrs review and talk about the pros and cons on the Transit soon.
Any mechanical issues
You put 200k miles on it in 3 years!!!!!!! Holy fuck
I work for a company that has mostly Ford Transits and a few Promasters. I was unlucky enough to get the Promaster. In my opinion having lots of experience with both vehicles the Ford is far more reliable. Promaster at 79k was having heads rebuilt, constant coolant and oil leaks. Alk of our promasters have smelled like coolant from the time they were new. Also the promaster gas option is extreamly underpowered. And a nonstop annoying electric fan that constantly cycles. The biggest problem with the Transits we have are rear brakes. The Transit hands down blows the Promaster out of the water in almost every category.
I have drove both for work so when it comes to van life its ford all the way.Driving comfort and powertrain is what is important with van living and the ford is by far the better of the two.
I like my 2014 RAM (1500, 136", high roof ). One problem in 5 years with electronics - fixed under warranty.
Hi Peter , is it the first van you have drive?
I rented a ford from U-haul, camped in the back for a week in Florida. I agree the rear view mirror camera is poor, I almost backed into someone at a crowded gas station. It did have a cigar lighter type outlet in the back. It times out when the ignition is off, like the interior lights time out. I got up to 25 mpg on the highway driving gently. I liked it very much but I have seen a lot of bad press on various forums and you tube. High top must pay a penalty in mpg.
I always thought that would be savvy option for say if your a Midwesterner like myself that likes flying to CA to surf but doesn't want to rack up hotel fare. Cheers!
Thanks dude I need this to compare these vans! Saved me time and energy
I think this is a great video on the Dodge Ram Pro-Master. I watched a video review on the Sprinter, Ford Transit, and Dodge Pro-Master. It was a professional race car driving them on a dry track. He rated them in this order, Ford Transit first, Sprinter, than the Dodge Pro-Master. I think they are all great vans and it basically comes down to personal preference.
I will do more reviewing before I decide on which van to choose.
Thank you so much for this video!
Shavauna Ronan thank you. I'm surprised they weren't rated as Mercedes, ford then dodge. Clearly the Mercedes is the best but I believe it only comes in diesel and I don't want diesel. The ford probably does drive better but for van life I think the dodge wins. Front wheel drive is better in the snow and getting out of ditches. The cab is a lot nicer in the dodge. The dodge high top (there's only a low and high) is 6' 3" inside but the ford medium is only 6 ft so then I'd have to pay more and get the high top ford which looks way too tall. It's a close call with the ford and dodge. I'd be fine with either one. The Mercedes I would prefer but I don't want diesel because of the expense of gas and maintenance
I hear MB will introduce a gas option on the Sprinter in 2019.
It would have been nice if you got a Ford transit similarly spec'd as the Dodge. The way you could find better flaws between the two if one is looking for a specific build.
I've got the High roof, long wheel base Transit New Zealand model, and it definitely has a few things over the one you reviewed here. Including:
- USB port beside the back door.
- Sliding door that locks open.
- Big storage space over the cab.
- NZ has diesel, manual only
I certainly don't fit in many parks. Often I can reverse in and the tail hangs over the end of the park happily. Sometimes I just poke out and choose a park that's got plenty of space for people to go around :)
The Transit in this vid doesn't have the overcab space because it is a low roof model.
I have heard that the promaster transmissions are weak, have you found that. What about gas mileage between the two. Some comments below say that the seat is very uncomfortable, I am very short, do you think, it would be better? I am also looking to camperize a van and trying to decide on which van would be best" the Ford or the Dodge. I have a Dodge Caravan now and find the driving seat very comfortable. I do want more space and head room, now. Thank you for your informative video.
Bergeron Designs mpg is about the same on both. The dodge is front wheel drive so that alone I think makes it the better choice. Going off road or getting stuck in snow the front wheel is better. I've heard about the transmissions too, if you are really into mechanics and cars you will feel a difference but I don't really. I have friends that have had dodge and rams up to 300k miles with no issues. There's always lemons out there with every company though
Let's google for some datapoints
8,460 hits Transit -connect “replaced transmission”
7,810 hits Sprinter “replaced transmission”
450 hits Promaster -city “replaced transmission”
107 hits NV2500 “replaced transmission”
Frater Mus how can I do for to check that
Cut and paste the search strings above into Google.
I've been driving Ford E Series vans since 1978 and currently own a 2005 E150. Even the crappiest offering of the new generation of cargo vans would be a huge upgrade for me.
any brand new van will do the trick, we really need to know which van holds up. few of us have the cash to replace the van every two years. I have seen videos of the ford rusting and water dripping on the computer under the hood.
I am starting a vlog soon I promise no begging for likes rings dings or money
The $1,000,000 question!
I ended up going with a promaster myself mainly because of the extra width. I also found the driver cockpit more comfortable to be in. The dash design is easy on the eyes; the round edges with nothing too fancy on the design.
High roof extended was already the ultimate choice when I was shopping here myself. I'd Be damned if I had to crawl around like a rat in my own house.
Parking isn't all that bad, sticks out a bit but well worth it for the extra real estate.
Gas is a must, and I wouldn't get no diesel or turbo options. The simpler the mechanics, the better the maintenance. Average Cost of ownership is slightly less on the promasters when comparing the 3.7 vs 3.6. The 3.6 powertrain is widely available. (Lots of wranglers on the road!)
With the turbos and the diesels going way up in average maintenance costs. With that being said, a turbo would be nice on a new van with warranty. The extra power would make merging easier, especially in the metropolitan.
So it’s looks, and if you have a lot of drinks going on.
I’m looking at both, mileage and maintenance my concerns.
I have the 159" EXT and it's sometimes an issue but usually not enough of an issue where it's a problem. I just back in the van and it fits in a normal space. Definitely go with the 159" EXT Diesel if you want extra space, they're hard to find but worth the wait.
Considering that Italdesign of Giorgietto Giugiaro designed it in 2006, I think the Ducato-Promaster is a good and rational project...
No it is not. Promaster has major transmission and suspension issues. Read comments from owners.
Perfect timing with your 20% off coupon for me to use. This is the best price so far. I agree that the Inergy Kodiak is the best and simplest option to power the van.
T M glad you were able to use the 20 percent off while it's available! Hope the kodiak works out for your van, it's been great so far in mine. I even started running a heated blanket all night with it.
T M glad you were able to use the 20 percent off while it's available! Hope the kodiak works out for your van, it's been great so far in mine. I even started running a heated blanket all night with it.
Where's Your Neighborhood i definitely prefer using an electric blanket instead of a space heater in the van.
It will be helpful to see a video of various ways of how you use the Kodiak for van.
I am looking forward to your van conversion. Your videos are really well done and the reviews of these vans were well put together.
Thanks! I have one van conversion already on my channel. Unless you are referring to my next build that I will be doing soon (I mention this in my most recent video about my current van for sale).
How do you like the mpg?
Great review of the vans. Thank you sir. Best of luck out there. Subscribed.
I finally gave up on getting the transit, the load floor comes up to my knee, I couldn't even get in it without a stool. Looking at the promaster which looks really good right now. My questions would be how dependable is it, how does it drive, AND the secret number that is the best guess for mpg on a v8. I swear I saw a promaster on the site with a V8 option, but I don't see it now.
Wouldnt it being so high be a good thing though as the low ride height would hinder you from going semi off road?
Not sure why you would make a comparison about headroom when one is a High roof and the other is not?
I'm not making a comparison to the low roof and the high roof. If you listen and watch the whole thing I talk about how I have test drove a high top transit. I mostly talk about the high top transit. The low top is just in the video because that's all I had to show.
The Promaster is FWD. Add weight in the back and you reduce weight on the wheels that get power. Also, it's a Fiat.
Promaster IS front wheel drive BUT wheel base is longer so more weight in cargo area is shifted to the front wheels instead of being balanced over the rear.
Good point!! Keep your cargo as light as possible in the back of the van, so you don't negate the FWD!!
I test drove all the top 3 vans (Sprinter, Transit, Promaster) and I came away with my favorites in that order. I really wanted to like the Dodge on the account of it being the cheapest, but holy crap the driving position is the absolute worst. I read a bunch of non-van life reviews on it after my test drive and many people came to the same conclusion.
No tilt steering or seat height adjustment, and me being 6’3” I have to slide the seat all the way back which still cramps my legs in the nonexistent footwell...which in turn leaves me way too far away from the wheel having my arms outstretched constantly.
I think the issue stems from the fact that it’s a rebadged Fiat Ducato, and was designed for (generally) smaller Europeans.
I would have to guess you must be either 6’ or under if this doesn’t affect you...I’ve heard you drove this thing across the country, so I’m curious as to how you feel after a long drive.
Also I’m in agreement as far as performance, it was the slowest and worst handling of the bunch.
Sorry I know this sounds like ripping on your ride, I’m just actually curious as to how you overcome the ergonomic obstacles I mentioned.
I've never driven the sprinter and didn't consider it an option for me because of the price and that it's diesel. I'm 6 foot and first I didn't like the non tilt wheel but now I forgot all about it. The dodge seems more comfortable to me. Drove it across the country twice now and it was pretty good except going up hills but I assume they are all terrible at that. The brakes are smooth but not good enough, the ford brakes are great but too touchy I could see my self tapping them and having the van jerk to stop and getting rear ended. But the doge I could easily hit someone from behind since they don't stop that easily in a fast situation. I like the handling on U turns and parking but it does seem slow at acceleration.
I agree.. all good with Dodge, except the driving position.. it's way beyond awkward, almost at dangerous level for me. I honestly don't know how people drive it full time... I also saw many posts about delivery employees complaining about the driving position in the Dodge. I leaned towards Dodge until I sat behind the wheel. Ford by far has more comfortable driving position in my experience.
Phillip, regarding the Promaster's legroom issue, I concur.
JC Leeson I didn't feel a difference in driving position or leg room between the dodge and ford. Both of them the seats don't recline almost at all, and force you to sit up very straight. I like this but I would like to lean back more. Leg room seems the same to me in both. If you are bigger I could see the wheel getting in the way with the dodge since there's no tilt wheel. But it is telescoping so you could just bring it closer to you and get it off of your thighs.
Many folks dislike the buslike ergos. I am 6' tall with 34" inseam and find it comfortable. Then again I loved my vw bus so maybe I'm a weirdo.
The seat height *is* adjustable, though it is a weird two-step process.
Thank you, this is useful info for the big selection! 😚
Christina Sirr glad it helped! At the end of the day either one is a good choice, these were just my thoughts on some of the pros and cons
I don't understand why FCA doesn't sell the new front end van in US. The van is almost identical to yours but very nice. In Europe if you add Fiat, Citroen and Peugeot vans the Ducato-Promaster is way the best selling van.
I am upgrading my old 1997 GMC conversion/weekend camper. We want to sleep side to side in the next build. My pre build van only budget is around $25K, most interested in either the pro master or the transit but if the extra bed side to side rules out the transit, then that is major. So..... can a 5’10” guy and his shorter wife sleep side to side in the transit medium roof or do I just buy the ram??
Are you still happy with the van? How long have you had it? What year was that?
There are some bad reviews but I really lean towards ProMaster. Just wanted an other feedback
Thanks for the video. Good info
Not sure if you covered it, but what kid of gas mileage do these get?
kevincboyer about 21 highway 13 city 16 avg
more like 12-13
Get a sprinter. I run a time sensitive delivery service. My 2011 has 540,000 miles and my 2014 has 281,000 miles both problem free, just regular oil changes, def fluid and brakes. We bought a Promaster in 2014 and went thru 2 transmissions and repaired a leaking head gasket the first 18 months, $11,000 worth of maintenance-typical Chrysler garbage. Just traded in the Promaster in for a 2018 Sprinter. Had to get rid of it before something else went wrong.
Teething problems with the 2014 PM for sure. Overall, let's compare by google (Jul 2018):
26,900 hits Sprinter “replaced engine”
24,700 hits Transit -connect “replaced engine”
1,620 hits NV2500 “replaced engine”
460 hits Promaster -city “replaced engine”
8,460 hits Transit -connect “replaced transmission”
7,810 hits Sprinter “replaced transmission”
450 hits Promaster -city “replaced transmission”
107 hits NV2500 “replaced transmission”
17,000,000 hits Sprinter problem
9,700,000 hits Transit -connect problem
570,000 hits Promaster -city problem
59,000 hits NV2500 problem
1,400,000 hits Sprinter junk
775,000 hits Ford Transit -connect junk
125,000 hits NV2500 junk
48,400 hits Promaster -city junk
9,710 hits Sprinter site:carcomplaints.com
7,700 hits NV2500 site:carcomplaints.com
6,090 hits Transit -connect site:carcomplaints.com
5,670 hits Promaster -city site:carcomplaints.com
The Sprinter has been made since 1995, almost 20 years more than Dodge PM or Ford Transit. Comparatively not bad looking at all the hits on google.
The Transit has been made since 1965 (30 years longer than the Sprinter). The FIAT Ducato, sold as Promaster in North America since 2014, has been made since 1981 (14 years longer than the Sprinter).
I have nothing against the Sprinter; it's a great van and is known for excellent driving dynamics. My intent is to help onlookers make decisions based on objective criteria rather than anecdote, and to counteract FUD. Our conversation has reminded me to add in Ducato so we capture the issues under that nameplate over the past 37 years. Here are the updated results:
26,900 hits Sprinter “replaced engine”
24,700 hits Transit -connect “replaced engine”
7,320 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city “replaced engine”
1,620 hits NV2500 “replaced engine”
8,460 hits Transit -connect “replaced transmission”
7,810 hits Sprinter “replaced transmission”
450 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city “replaced transmission”
107 hits NV2500 “replaced transmission”
17,000,000 hits Sprinter problem
9,700,000 hits Transit -connect problem
591,000 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city problem
59,000 hits NV2500 problem
1,400,000 hits Sprinter junk
775,000 hits Ford Transit -connect junk
125,000 hits NV2500 junk
70,300 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city junk
9,710 hits Sprinter site:carcomplaints.com
7,700 hits NV2500 site:carcomplaints.com
6,090 hits Transit -connect site:carcomplaints.com
5,750 hits Promaster OR Ducato -city site:carcomplaints.com
Now look at the annual sales of each van.... That really puts it into perspective.... Fords been at it with the transit since 1953 originating in Germany.
Last year sales alone in US
Transit 127K
Promaster 40K
Sprinter 27K
NV2500 17K.
Ford transit sales nearly double all the competition and that's just in the US alone. I own none but for the volume of sales Promaster Sprinter and Nissan sell and the issues they have are way way to many. They barely sell any units
I wonder how many promaster units were available for sale?
New sub here !! Thanks for the upload !
thanks for the comparison!
Hey guys are you still uploading to this channel?
Donkly Dorkus McDingle I will be, why?
@@WheresYourNeighborhood Just checking to see if the channel was dead, good to see it is still alive and well.
Donkly Dorkus McDingle ah thanks. Due to some unfortunate events I had to stop traveling and making videos for a long time. Came down with some serious health issues unfortunately. Otherwise I never would have stopped making videos. I’ll explain it all on the channel eventually
@@WheresYourNeighborhood Take your time, i hope you have made a full recovery and that things are okay now. Stay strong and stick to your passions.
Donkly Dorkus McDingle thank you for the positive thoughts!
Thank you. It was very informative!
Issues/life/health getting in the way of travel, is still a real part of trying to stay on the road. You should talk about what got in the way. It would still be interesting content for people wanting to van life and informative. hope you're well.
Love your intro
Thanks......I'm still looking.....this was hellful
I bought mine and love it. You can rent the transit and the promaster from UHAUL pretty inexpensively.
Thanks!
good review
What do you think of the Metris?
For the smaller vans I'd consider the NV200 for 25%-40% less (depending on options): better mpg, more interior height, much better ground clearance, etc. About the only advantage I see for Metris is looks and width.
But for Metris money you could get a low roof promaster that would have 13" more cargo area height (!) and 13" more cargo area width (!), 2x the ground clearance, 63% more cargo volume (!) and no MB $$$ service bills.
Bring back the astro !!
Transit wins in apperance, hands down!
Enginewise, how us the Promaster? I hear Sprinter owners having problems with engines, heaters and such and either not being able to find parts or just really expensive. I know you did American to American comparison.
Googling as of Jul 2018:
26,900 hits Sprinter “replaced engine”
24,700 hits Transit -connect “replaced engine”
1,620 hits NV2500 “replaced engine”
460 hits Promaster -city “replaced engine”
The 3.6L engine is an easily sourceable item, new or used as a pull.
Frater Mus Those numbers can also point to the popularity of the vans, not just engine's reliability.
@@dattran6372 transits have sold for decades longer, sold many more and still have fewer engine complaints than sprinter
I want a hightop van like the dodge promaster, but all I ever seem to hear is how unreliable dodges in general are. The promaster included. I suppose the next best thing would be either a nissan nv or high top ford transit then?
Excellent video content and presentation! We'll done friend...😎
I had a promaster when I use to do expiditing and there nice and have alot space the tall roof and extended one, the transit are nice also get the tall roof ones.... Only thing I hated on promaster is the driver seats don't adjust good for long driving and steering wheel don't adjust can't get relaxed lol
Mileage comparison?
C Golden high top transit and promaster 159 wheel base get about the same 13-15 average. The smaller wheel base and the low top (in thumbnail picture on the right) will get slightly better mpg
I’ve seen an armrest for the passenger seat, I just have to find it :)
Promaster is definitely more modern feeling. The Transit feels/drives very old school.
This would have been great if you compared two similar vehicles.
R. Schreckengost actually I did. I just showed the low roof in the beginning because that’s all I had available to show. And then I go on to say I test drove the high roof ford and then talked the whole video about my big promaster compared to a high roof ford. And the low roof ford is basically the exact same thing so either way It works.
I'm concerned with height and fitting in to parking garages, or drive thru issues
Shelley, if these are work vans used by utility companies, they can get into most places.
It would make more sense to compare like for like for example long wheelbase hive roof x2 or mid length mid roof x2
claire higgins not really comparing the low top transit to my promaster. I show it and talk about it because my uncle has that van. But then I talk about how I have driven a high top transit and that is what I am comparing it too. But the low top is very similar to a high top minus the height difference.
To me, at least, it was clear you compared those two vehicles because that was what was available to you. Yours and your uncle's. With that in mind, it was fair.
Good job!
What size engine in the dodge.
There is a 3.6L gas and 3.0L diesel (up to 2016)
Does anyone have a Ram Promaster 1500 low roof 136 wheel base that can tell me the mpg?
I hear alot of the promasters go bad like transmission issues or other issues way before 100k miles
selfmade323 I’ve seen it with Fords and promasters. Also seen them both go over 100k with no issues. It’s really just luck of the draw. Talked to a guy that works for a company that has 5 promasters with no issues at all. Then other ppl have a ton of issues. Really all luck
Th only thing I don't like about the promaster is the plastic front end. NV 2500 might be ok if you can handle the looks and you get a 5 year warranty.
pirucreek I like the Nissan better but the ProMaster gas Milagros is much better. Plus wider, if you are converting it to an RV.
pirucreek I like the Nissan better but the ProMaster gas Milagros is much better. Plus wider, if you are converting it to an RV.
The front bumper section is built modularly in three parts so city traffic bumps can be fixed by replacing the damaged section and not the whole front end. Headlights mounted high to protect them from damage in city traffic.
It's not the best looking van in the world (looking at you 1st generation Toyota Previa! /swoon) but it is practical.
in uk we dont get low roof transit.we also cant afford to run a 3.5 v6 petrol
I think the Promaster is the ugliest van I've ever seen. The front end is just hideous. FCA is also known for its low initial quality ratings. I don't care for the Transit either because of the cheap interior. Personally, I'd choose a MB Sprinter for a van conversion, even with it's somewhat higher price, mainly because it offers am excellent V6 diesel and can be ordered with 4WD. They are known for excellent long term reliability. Maintenance is expensive on Sprinters, but I'd be doing my own, so that wouldn't be an issue for me. In any case, I hope your Promaster works out.
D LG I thought this too at first. When I saw how nice the promasters are in person, I bought one. It actually looks good to me now, kinda like marrying an ugly girl with a great personality, she looks better with time :p. And it's a van, not a sports car, promaster is overall a better van than the sprinter/transit/nv
It's excellent V6 diesel lol Your joking right? 3.0 l blue tech engines are blowing up at a 100k miles at an alarming rate so not sure what you're talking about when you say excellent . Maybe Excellent for the Mercedes dealerships parts department with all the engine sales.
This looks like barefoot bay, FL..
Wade Wilson Stuart Florida
My regular company issued van is a Ford Transit 250 hightop extended length. Occaissionally I have used a ProMaster.
The Ford acccelerates better. The Ford windshield sorta curves overtop of me providing excellent visibility. The Dodge visibility as annoying. High seat height but the top of the windshield was low in comparison.
Cupholders. Im right handed so i like to use the center ones. Why in the hell did Dodge put them in the floor. I have a bad disc in my back and a hernia in my right abdomen making the center cupholders unusable.
Why compare high top to a low top? Why not 2 of the same styles
Chris Little my uncle has a low top so that’s what I got to test out. Basically the same thing as a high but just lower. I also stated in the video that I test drove the high top at a dealership so this was a comparison of the high top ford and the promaster.
Have fun changing out the headlights every few months.
Johnny Kurplutzo I drove it for a year and 30,000 miles and they haven't failed yet.
Where's Your Neighborhood great to hear. AutoZone has these under a lease plan. Seems to be problematic area. Cheers
Some 2014 models had headlight failures.
Drove the Dodge Promaster 76" interior high top for work really feel its a great vehicle! However, When not loaded with some weight one has to exercise care in high winds!
Mine is fully loaded in the back and I haven't had much trouble with high winds. I have driven it in windy situations and it get's pushed around a bit but doesn't feel like its going to flip or anything.
Whatever you do, remember this:
- Chrysler has better and luxurious quality, drives better, seats are softer, and has the best storage
- Ford is more for work, has more power in the engine, has better gas mileage, and has more features for construction workers/plumbers/electricians(you get it).
Both are very reliable, but Ford is slightly more reliable than Chrysler.
And remember, it's not only for the vans and the trucks, but for other vehicles in general.
Love your channel m8 plz don't run off on us for 3 months again.
Convince my girlfriend to keep traveling for ever, and find a way for us to make a living doing this and you got it!
@@WheresYourNeighborhood Oh man, another dude grounded by his girl. Ugh. Is my wife the last woman in the world or something? Your girl should not try to change you, especially since she obviously met you while you were doing this. She knew what your lifestyle was. Unfortunate keyword - was. It should be - *is*. My wife has always stuck by my side and supported me in my endeavors no matter what, so long as I pay her plenty of attention, keep sweeping her off her feet and carrying her across mucky parking lots after a rain to the car and such,
Life on the road isn't always easy, but you yourself said it - you can always eat and live on the cheap and find something local to do for money to pay the bills while you build your channel. You had a great start, all you needed to do was put up a Patreon, keep your videos consistent, and even while you were stuck in an area while you made some money to pay bills before moving on... even if it was 3 months or so... people love consistency. Your channel growth, and income growth would have quicly grown to where it would provide for your continuation and then proliferation.
You can't just give up, or that's where it ends. I made that same mistake in my past. You're not alone or anything, but if you set your mind right - you could still make this work if you want it. You just have to work hard for it before it breaks over.
I hope everything works out for you man.
NameSake Radio thanks man, ya I knew I needed to make more videos and set up a patreon and all that. I was going to go at it full force and make videos every day and then I hurt my back. Then I got better and was about to get on the road again 4 months ago and then I developed a horrible disease and have been almost dying for the past 4 months. It’s crazy how life can go from good/great to horrible so quickly. I want to make videos but I’m super weak and don’t have the motivation to make any especially since I can’t travel.
@@WheresYourNeighborhood I've been there man. I've got epilepsy and just about gave up after 10 years of not finding anything to control it. Finally found the right Dr. and got me on the right meds. Haven't had a seizure in over 20 years now. Getting kicked in the teeth sucks, especially right after you've gotten back on your feet. Persevere man - you'll get through it. When you do, just jump right back in full force. There's only so many times life can knock you down before it either kills you, or it gives in and you win. Then you just keep winning! Take care.
I like promaster comes in a short length..its also wider for sleeping across..but the driving position is too strange..I'll have to test drive again..I wish the seat was lower..I'm 6ft tall and it's to high !!
The clearance under the back axial was an issue for me. The Dodge seems to only have a few inch clearance. For a front wheel drive van it seems they could have fixed this.
Oh, I wouldn't know if it's an issue. I haven't had to go under the vehicle at all and I've never had the clearance be a issue going over things.
It has the same clearance as the Sprinter and almost an inch more than the Transit. Within 0.2" of the E-series and Express. The only "van" with real clearance is the NV2500 with a little over 8".
The shock brackets hang way below the axle on the Transit, killing any ground clearance advantage.
I have a 2016 Dodge ProMaster extended I pull a small jetter worst design ever making it front wheel drive and I don't know what happened with the dodge brakes used to be good if it wasn't for throwing it in manual coming to a sudden stop when that happen using just the brakes the brakes on the ProMaster suck so bad
David Simons ya the brakes started to feel weird at 32k miles but then I sold it. I met someone that had a promaster over 200k miles and had no major work done on it though. I'd rather have front wheel than rear when it comes to the snow.
Personally I don’t like dodge front end looks ugly for me but who ever likes dodge I respect that...
some fantastic talking points and very helpful with choosing the best van for van life! i think the length of the van is crucial when trying to be stealth in parking lots!
Why would you make this comparison and come right out and say you can stand in the Ford Transit, knowing the transit is standard roof and you have a medium roof.
It would stand to make sense you compare comparable Van's of the same size.
I don't like the driving position on promaster also they don't look level on The he road..higher in back..I drove transit a d found is relaxing to drive..wish they made a short model 118 WBC like promaster...smallest transit is 130 wb..I will go with that for recreation and work combo *..you can find used transits for 20k with low milage
Thanks for the review although I don't believe these are Dodge made vehicles.
Greg Tripp well Ram which is pretty much dodge and then ford
RAM Promaster is a FIAT body and FCA drivetrain: ubiquitous 3.6L v6 Pentastar and 62TE 6spd trans (lowered final output and increased cooling)
Dodge. Diesel too. Hightop
You have a nice voice x
Its a Ram not a Dodge.
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It is a ram, Fiat, Dodge, Chrysler van
It should have a find my van promaster app like find my phone
The pro master has terrible reviews, I think the pro master is probably a good van. The only problem is that every other van is better in every aspect! Same is true for minivans and pickups.
If you have a position to support, please do so. Otherewise I'm calling FUD.
Frater Mus , I’m simply trying to say that today’s cars are wonderful compared to the past they are all pretty good. Dodge trucks are great,every other truck is better. Promaster van is great, every other van is better. Dodge caravans is a great van, every other minivan is better. Mopar products are always at the bottom both in price and reliability. None of this is a secret, nor is it hard to understand. You will never get more than you pay for!
Why the "F" would you compare a low-top to a high-top? Apples to Oranges
Glenn Hughes you must not have watched the video. That low top was all I had available for the video but I talk about how I test drive a high top. And there is not many differences between a low and high top transit so it’s all good.
Low roof Ford Transit. Promasters have their issues. Can't see thru the steering wheel (which telecsopes but does not tilt) and headloghts burn out frequently. Promasters also LEAK especially at the side door, that almost never closes properly.
I have owned both, Promaster total piece junk even the dealer wont back up there warranty. Love the Chevy but need more room . Did the Promaster for 3 long years . The only thing good about it is a lot of room for cargo . Everything that is wrong with it . Brakes squeal . 1800 to replace them at 50 k .The doors wont close or they wont open . Windows wont go all the way down .Seat is like sitting on a toilet .5 cup holders none convenient for the driver , Head light and tail lights keep burning out , radiator replaced 2 times , terrible in the snow and rain . always running 3-4000 rpm, trani moans terrible when cold . Cant keep tires on it .
You should state that you have a very subjective opinion in this video. Just saying other than that good video.
Bro the ford transit is no match for the ram atleast not that mini van you comparing
KNIGHT MARE KING right I like the ram more if you couldn’t tell from the video. I also wasn’t comparing the low roof in the video that’s all I had available. You must not have watched the video cause I explain how I’ve driven the bigger transit and the low roof is the same thing basically (not a mini van) lol.
Gas milage?
crown victoria averaging 16 on the promaster. I've heard the high top transit is about the same
mine 12-13
It is not a Dodge product it is a RAM product all belong under Chrysler-Fiat but the truck division is not under Dodge anymore(2010 the last Dodge Ram) it is under the name Ram(Only).
As a prettier line the Ford Transit the other is not a real Dodge is a Fiat Ducato
no such thing as a DODGE promaster. Its a Ram promaster.
You all Know thats that not a dodge right?? That a Fiat With dodge bage..
bjorwen heard that a lot... in the u.s. We don't have those here so in the states it is a Dodge Ram promaster. Should I refer to it as a fiat even though we call it a promaster ?
Yes correct! Its a RAM. Put together by the RAM division in Mexico. Then added the 3.6 Penstar gas engine.
The Fiat Ducato was shared in the development cost with Peugeot and Citreon known as the Boxer and the Jumper, respectively.
Its not a Chrysler Promaster, its not a Jeep Promaster ,Its not a Dodge Promaster, its a RAM Promaster.
PS Where's Your Neighborhood I am on your side. Enjoyed your video. I owned one since March of 2014.
Still made by Fiat and assembled by RAM in Mexico. Smh...
It's a RAM Promaster, based on the FIAT Ducato. American drivetrain.
Still spreading FUD. SMH.
Yeah for me I think the RPM is one ugly van and the FT cab interior is so out dated , I’ll stick with my Chevy Express 2500 2010 I know Chevy hasn’t change the Express Van Since 03 , these vans imo are really work horses and reliable that’s why they haven’t changed anything from the front bumper to the rear bumper I know contractors with over 400,000 miles and still going strong as for my 2010 I have 105,000 miles and just regular maintenance and 2 sets of tires 2 batteries and new Brakes has never broken down in 9 years , but to keep up with demands they are finally offering a higher top in 2020 we will see
The Ford will be more reliable for sure.
Having driven both for work, thousands of miles.. The Promaster is definitely the better driver/handler. The Transit 150 is definitely old school.
The ProMaster is cheaply built with plenty of sketchy plastic parts for your dismay.
WTF ever happened to this guy?
quentil oh man, long stories. Videos coming soon to explain why I had to basically stop living twice in one year
@@WheresYourNeighborhood damn dude I was bummed out when I found your channel and saw that you haven't uploaded in a year, I hope you get back on the road soon
Marshall march thanks man, I got hurt and then really sick. About to start posting soon
@@WheresYourNeighborhood right on! 2019 is gonna be a good year for your neighborhood
Marshall march thanks for the motivation/positivities! I hope so, went from the best year of my life to the worst year in 2018. Hope you have a great 2019 as well
real leather doesnt get so hot it burns to touch so thats fake leather
silvermonk13 I've had real leather before in another vehicle and it got really hot. I don't see how real or fake leather wouldn't get hot in the sun
silvermonk13 It's not the material that dictates the heat. It's the colour. If you don't believe me put your hand on the top of a black car when it's in the Sun and then put your hand on a white car you'll burn your hand on a black car where a white car will be lukewarm.
the real American vans were beautiful !! the most beautiful opinion is the Ford transit the Fiat Dodge Promaster and ugly as a line.