How to SAVE Marvel Studios
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Here’s my quick thoughts on the new SDCC Avengers Doomsday announcement.
Tony stark is doctor doom… kind of?
Okay in this video I proposed the idea of pivoting to doctor doom, I wasn’t expecting them to make him a tony stark variant. Now I can see why marvel think this is a good idea, there both smart guys with an army of drones or doom bots, they both pocess a mechincal suit (with a similar kind of face plate now that I think about it), there biggest similarity however is that there both pro change, as rdj pointed out, new mask, same task, protect the world.
Often with the mcu the villains are prochange, thanos or killmonger being strong examples, what makes them villains though is there radical approach to change, generally through destruction. Now that speaks to doom, seeing as his goal is to save the world, similar to Tony’s, heck there may be a decent story there, being - this is what happens when Tony’s ego goes unchecked, if he didn’t become iron man, but doesn’t it feel like a what if episode, what if tony became doom, it feels like where undercutting dooms actual charcater here, what makes him such a unique and interesting personality if all we can say is the best he’ll ever be is tony stark adjacent.
Yeah even if RDJ is playing Victor Von Doom, not a Tony Stark Variant, Doctor Doom will ALWAYS be perceived as an “Evil Iron Man” in the MCU, to the audiences and to the existing heroes. Which just kinda feels cheap and disrespectful to someone like Doom.
I mean maybe.
it would honestly be kinda cool if in the end doom faces tony, like you are faced with evil and good but booth is yourself, as it is in real life
but maybe not, maybe it's best to let tony rest, but I dunno
Doesn't same task mean save/support the MCU?
I'm so sorry about this. But I have to um actually this. The symbiots were made by knull. Also we can't put the different universe different symbiot origin because knull is a multiversal being and the symbiots are multiversally connected by a hive mind.
1. Less projects
2. Lower budgets.
3. Finished scripts.
4. Make good movies/shows first and foremost. Don’t concern with how it prepares a big event.
5. Hire talented directors and trust them. If you hired them for a reason then don’t overhaul their vision.
6. Play around with tone.
7. Going along with tone, stop trying to appeal to everyone because when you appeal to everyone, you appeal to no one. If you hone in your specific audience, then you should know to keep your budget modest. Ex: if you make a horror movie, then make a horror movie.
8. Get directors who care about the comics!
@@androidsenpai1462not necessarily. Some of the best directors of the MCU weren’t fans of the comics, yet they made great films.
@@trystanhind8475At least Directors who respect the comics regardless of being fans or not as they bring their to vision to these movies.
werewolf by night literally has all these qualities, no wonder it´s so good
You forgot to add 8. Fire Kevin Feige on this list.
Bro cooked. This is the best critique of the MCU I’ve seen and I like how you actually bring up ways to fix these issues instead of just ranting while offering no solution.
POV: All SJW and haters all in one
One writer not being into comics at first is fine. But that's way too many writers not being into comics working for the MCU. Lol.
Some of them said that Marvel Studios told them not to read any comics. It's a two-sided issue.
@@SecretMagicianthat was only once
They don't need to be into comics, but it should be part of the work to read it and use what is there. If they don't like that idea then they shouldn't get the job...
@@thadmaster7 one too much if you ask me.
@@SecretMagician one time is one time.
who’s here after the announcement of doctor doom??
🙌🙌🙌
Everyone tf? We cant timetravel
me
😂😂😂@@SALskem
@@SALskem mf it’s a joke
I’d even go further into the next saga with a core number of characters for each pillar of the MCU.
Spider-Man (Street and being the main character to bring all the different sections of characters together)
Captain America (Sam Wilson)- Avengers
Scott Summers (X-Men)
Reed Richards (Fantastic 4)
Captain Marvel (Cosmic)
Doctor Strange (Mystical)
“Supernatural” would be a better term for doctors stranges area. That word can apply to werewolf by night, ghost rider, blade, moonknight etc. some of which bleed into street level which is good. Blends the different sections together
That looks like a good lineup for the MCU’s Illuminati.
@ThaUltimateHunterare we still bullying this woman 😭 it’s been like 5 years
@@stevenmcburney8167werewolf by night would hold up maybe a mystery branch of the mcu? But even then he’s not a guy who interacts with any other characters in the mcu. Then also every other character you mentioned would be strictly street level as it’s the threats they face and not their powers that he’s been categorizing them in to. Like hawk eye and Tony stark would be grouped together under tech or some shit like that when in reality Tony stark is always taking on everything that gets thrown at him and hawk eye only gets dragged in when he needs some avengers money and is a street level hero the rest of the time. Doctor strange and Shang chi are definitely mystical while moon knight in the show is mystical but in the comics he’s mostly just a street level guy unless he’s dealing with how he got his powers. But anyways if you knew what you were talking about you’d understand that in the comics and the movies doctor strange claims to pull his powers from a mystical source and they use that word very intentionally as they use it with the mandarin as well as some others. It’s a legit part of the lore basically so there’s no point in arguing about the categorization when it’s been done by the writers.
@ThaUltimateHunteryeah I just don’t think captain marvel is working. They’ve given her enough chances and it’s just not it.
If DC can be saved after the disaster that was the DCEU then Marvel can be saved.
No I wouldn’t say DC was “saved” Per se, but I get what you’re saying.
@@nicklatallade9344it's working on getting saved
Not, if Kevin Feige isn't fired.
@@trevturp6891 Feige ain't the problem Disney is
@@sahilmehta3703 Feige is the problem. He is just as much of the problem as Disney is. After Endgame came out, he was, unfortunately made President of Marvel Studios and he turned The MCU into The MS-he-U and ruined it's reputation.
Bro's prediction came true; they just cast RDJ as Dr Doom
"Congratulations, you're a prophet."
"I'm a survivor."
- Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
Personally, I think Reed Richards should be the Tony Stark, and Peter could be captain America, and they could butt heads similar to the comics
🤨 I actually like this
maybe a new avengers team with pedro pascal and tom holland, though new avengers is a stretch as chris evans and rdj cant be replaced.
Or maybe Spider Man starts a new food truck. Anything is better than what it is now.
yeah! they should first make fan 4 movie!!!
this would be cool, but i think this will come after the end of the multuiverse saga. i don't think the avengers and the fantastic four will be together a lot before the big final movies.
If I remember correctly, it was said that they'll cut down the amount of films and shows they'll make from this point onwards. And considering most of the stuff we've got so far with Phase 4 and 5 was during the Bob Chapek era of Disney, where they rushed out content, regardless of quality, I do have hope we'll get back to how things were with Phases 1, 2 and 3.
I think the next two years are gonna be the true make it or break it for the franchise, seeing as those projects had plenty of time in the oven.
Anything that was rushed out was given iger's approval before his sabbatical. The quality days are dead and gone.
@@thadmaster7yeah if they don’t do good on those movies and shows in 2025 and 2026, they can kiss marvel goodbye because after that, it’ll be absolute terminal brand damage. Marvel may end up like Star Wars is now
@@rabronin Buddy, Iger came back after phase 4 wrapped up with the guardians special.
I think if they release a good and steady track of good, not amazing but just good movies that don't waste your time, then I think Marvel can make a recovery. Deadpool and Wolverine might be the first step to that imo.
Honestly, after X-Men 97, I'm investing more in the animation side of Marvel.
If they're not going to retire the brand entirely which I get why they won't. It's still a very valuable asset but I think that's where there should be putting their energy. The MCU is done, the writing is on the wall. I think they should just cancel the upcoming unmade projects, cut their losses with anything in the can as direct to video and put a freeze on new movies for 5-10 years.
But animation can be a more manageable medium for low stakes entertainment, though I'd recommend making them available on both streaming and cable.
Ideally, the FF should have been introduced earlier and been the face of this multiverse saga.
I agree, though Marvel chose not to after the disaster that was the 2015 reboot.
@@robloxfellowthe movie was made by Fox only to extend their legal rights over the characters
Shang-chi should have been in strange 2 and maybe another one. He’s a good character who could be a Hawkeye type level avenger
What reason would he have to be in strange 2.?
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 idk, the rings are magical and Wong was already in the post credit scene. I’m sure they could’ve pieced together some type of story.
@@npwarr2651 the post credit more indicates the rings are from alien origins than magical and feel like setup for a shang-chi 2. The best place he could have shown up is onoy she-hulk for an episode.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 yeah I mean, they would’ve had to change some things around and Doctor Strange to to make it work, I just don’t understand why they haven’t integrated and done a couple of more crossover shows with bigger characters.
He’d be good for Mulan 2
At the end of the day, it all comes down to hiring competent and passionate people for these projects who will not only respect the source material, but also actively push for a quality and well written story while humbly presenting it to the audience (WITHOUT having to talk down on them, or blame the audience for their flops & failures).
If Marvel, or heck, even any other studio doesn't realize this... Then Hollywood, and the MCU included, is still truly bleeding dry. After all, no one's trying to heal or stop the bleeding. Everyone's just trying to "justify" why it is without trying to solve it.
Every franchise has its highs and lows it'll get better for Marvel eventually I'm still enjoying everything man
Agreed.
I agree. I love Marvel. But in every era, not everything they touch turns to gold. Marvel is great for the most part. But they do need to drop the woke crap. Hire white men again, disney. It's not racist to do so.
"SuperHero Squad" was/is legit GOOD.
Yes
Marvel Super Hero Squad is what Teen Titans Go! Should have been.
No
@@PencilFan-hj3lo yes
@@awesomebrosinc.2160it just needed Spidey
Yeah….i sort of see Iron man to Endgame being the main story with far and nowhere home as a sort of epilogue
I’d add Guardians 3 and Deadpool and Wolverine to the epilogue as well.
Dude you kinda called it! With RDJ becoming Doom lol
Pretty good. Critical without being hateful or obsessed with the type of actor being cast. It's obvious that Kevin F was stretched too thin and had no backup to ensure quality control for some projects. First: Make Good Movies is a great place to start.
1) Less projects - Let the movies deal with important stuff for multiverse Saga, while the TV shows could have more isolated projects or some small sagas involving others places from the MCU (kind like what Netflix did with the street level heroes like Daredevil and the Defenders).
2) Not hold on too much on the jokes. I don't think they are terrible, but the problem with the MCU comedy post- Endgame is the fact the films either repeat the same jokes or just hold on to them for too long, that makes the comedy goes from fun to just annoying.
3) Variety of tones and styles - After films like The Batman and Gunn's DCU projects (like Suicide Squad and Peacemaker) it's pretty clear that the public has already moved on from Marvel traditional style. The know their troopes that makes the films feel bit repetive and tiring. Marvel needs to make films more like Civil War, Infinity War, the GoG sequels or NWH (all films that have stakes, consequences and big impacts for the characters and the larger universe), that play with the people knowloge of tone and subvert their expectations.
4) Less world ending threats - Not every super hero films needs to have the hero saving the world or multiverse. Sometimes it's cool to see them dealing with small but still significant problems. The last great MCU film, GoG vol 3 was basically the Guardians just trying to save Rocket's life and evolve in them saving the prisioners of the High Evolutionary. The focus was on the heroes being heroes and saving lifes then punching bad guys and blowing stuff. Let's have a bit more of stakes like these.
5) Have an actual plan - Every since phase 4 begun it feels like Marvel hadn't idea of what direction to take after the big blockbuster that was endgame. Some project feel like they are trying to make things more isolated and not build to anything yet (natural move and allows their films to have a rest) but other feels like they want to rush to another epic film like Endgame. The fact their next Avengers film would be a two parter without even establishing who the new avengers will be it's sign of bad planning. Better slow down, breath, establish who the main characters are and then figure how to lead this films to Secret Wars.
2. Aside from thor 4, quantumania and she-hulk i dont think they go overboard with the jokes.
3. Gunn dceu projects and the batman arent in the same universe. the suicide squad also bombed. the batman did well but wasnt a dark knight hit.
4. Black widow, shang-chi, thor 4 and strange 2, hawkeye, wandavision didnt have world ending threats.
5. I dont think them having avengers 5 and 6 be a 2 parter is a sign of bad planning because those are in phase 6 and im sure by the end of phase 5 we will get a clear idea of the new avengers.
Spider-Man SHOULD be the new leading character for the MCU, problem is Sony just wants to keep bastardizing the property with shit like Venom, Morbius, Madame Web etc. because they hate the audience.
Venom is not on the same level as morbid and madame web
If the point of the Multiverse Saga is to end in Secret Wars, then the main protagonist should be the Fantastic Four, with the New Avengers being a red herring.
Since the public already expects the next avengers to be the protagonist of this saga, Marvel could play with those expectations, making appear the New Avengers will be the protagonists of the Multiverse Saga, while the Fantastic Four could be just a secondary team, having their adventures on their side of the MCU (kind like what the Guardians of the Galaxy were in the pre-Endgame films), only to pull the rug out and the New Avengers being defeated by the main villain and have the Fantastic Four being the ones who will save the Multiverse.
Ps: Speaking on the New Avengers, I think the line up should be: Captain America (Sam Wilson), Captain Marvel, Hercules, Shang Chi, Shuri (Black Panther), Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) and White Vision
Thats actually not a bad idea.
I think marvel needs a new big 3 to carry the story again that's what made it 10x better
What if they use the og marvel trinity.
spiderman, wolverine and hulk
@@Playstationlad08 or Spider-Man, Deadpool, and Captain America
I was thinking of smth like spiderman, Deadpool, and Reed richards
@@bigredo346spiderman and deadpool's costumes look to similar. It would confuse casual audiences.
@@MammothMorals Literally how.
Excellent video. I think Marvel’s early success came from making unique genre films with a superhero lead. Captain America is a war movie, the sequel was a thriller. GotG was a sci fi romp, Thor was a Shakespearean family drama. They need to rediscover the stories that made these great. And appointment filmmakers who understand that. I agree, there needs to be a trio of leads, and agree that Spider-Man should be one, but what it really lacks are leaders. They all feel like good fighters, but leaders? I don’t have an answer (save introducing FF), but I really hope they find their feet again. Meanwhile, excellent video. Keep ‘em coming!
More Special Presentations would be nice hour long content that’s jump right to the story
I feel the special presentations are too short, they should be an hour and a half at least, instead of 40-50 minutes. Not enjoyable if it's too short.
8:52 [stark] should stay dead 😂 RDJ is now dr. Doom
They fucked Marvel up so bad that in my opinion the best way to fix things is to completely start fresh. All this multiverse and time mumbo jumbo has gotten way too complicated.
Starting fresh could mean, simpler stories with complex characters. That could result in good fucking movies again. Like, why was Marvel good at first? Because it had few characters on screen and could actually explore their personalities, their pasts, etc.
A full rehash and everything might sound very impractical and exhausting especially for those that already know all the stories, but they could take some creative liberties with good ol' characters and tell new stories. Maybe.
Ye i agree for them to revive marvel with there current universe we're asking for these writers and kevin feige etc to basically be perfect and thats not possible. Just start fresh make these characters loveable, likeable. Standout and not be these charismatic always joking tony stark bots. Stop always trying to make the universe connected. If it happens it will happen.
i think they should give a decent shot at finishing what they started with the multiverse saga, but i do agree that secret wars, whenever it comes out, should end in a clean universe reset to start fresh with.
I have a pitch of my own.
Sokovia is so instrumental to the MCU narrative. It was the battleground for Avengers Ultron. It was the impetus for Civil War (the Sokovia Accords). It was a nation marginalized and forgotten by the world. MAKE SOKOVIA THE MCU LATVERIA. It's such an organic intro to Doctor Doom, a perfect way to introduce a strong man savior who will champion his people. And surely there is Ultron tech just lying around that place for him to assimilate into his techno-wizardry position.
This actually makes so much sense
Imo the pov character should be Read richards/FF
Perfect take. Best critique and proposed fix of the marvel problem I’ve heard.
Also Mitch, good job on the video buddy, you sound like you care without at all being hyperbolic or cynical. Passionate but not angry.
Hope Marvel really knows that you want the best for them like The rest of us.
From ny readings on marvel.
It's always been about smaller groups (x-men, fantastic 4, avengers, the defenders, the inhumans, and so on) and the vigilantes (spiderman, jhonny cage, daredevil, ghost rider, and so on) and how they deliver on the world as a whole.
The first era was mostly about the avengers (and in a small portion the guardians of the galaxy with a little help from wanda) and focusing on another group would be the target.
Fixing marvel is hard... and I'm more of a dc guy so... thats my take hehe 😅
Im genuinely happy with probably ending My MCU journey after Deadpool and wolverine.
1. There's SOOOO many movies that i can't keep up plus i crave something different every now and then.
2. Yes I LOVE marvel but even i get tired of the same stuff. And i say that as someone that loved guardians 3, black panther 2 and no way home.
3. I agree, they need to make me CARE again. And to an extent Yes im hopeful with Deadpool and wolverine. But like I said it's where I may end my journey.
Very well done! The quality of this video was way beyond what you get from bigger channels nowadays.
Spiderman? No, the correct way to save MCu is good stories, not a mere character, even the greatest characters can be disaster if the stories is bad,
Yea but for right now it’s a need at this point look at the other comments as well
Wait, since iron man (2008) came out as the first MCU movie. Does that mean his the first MCU superhero to die?
Black Widow
As a life long superhero comic film fan who is now in the middle of writing an original superhero short film based on a mixture of themes from the X-Men, Spider-Man, & Watchmen, this video has made me realize that an important element for modern day superhero filmmaking (arguably established by the MCU) is intention.
I feel most recent superhero films have failed overall due to the right intention or lack there of to create these stories.
I want Michael Giacchino to make a sequel to Werewolf by night or better yet a follow up movie based on the Legion of Monsters or Midnight Sons characters a movie based on those characters that gets theatrically released it'll be cool if it's a black and white movie that would be a cool experience in theater man
The problem is Disney tbh
How?
@@RyzenX12 it feels like Disney, not marvel.
One way (which is not happening anytime soon but i hope for it to happen) is for Marvel to buy Spider-Man rights and make him the face/one of the faces of MCU
Sony won't sell. And he's had his trilogy as well as 2 avengers movies. The mcu needs to move on to its next arc. Best bet, move onto magic & monsters, blade, elsa bloodstone, werewolf by night, ghost rider, moon knight, man thing. Build an avengers monster hunters edition
Sony make way too much money from the spider-man brand, they wouldn’t unless they were in a REALLY bad state
I hope theres a bad state there to do the last resort. SURRENDER THE RIGHTS.@@NoVACorpsGaming
@@sandmaker47 I really need a Midnight Suns movie.
That's the things that's been getting me. They already laid out pieces for the different crossover teams, yet they haven't acted on any of them sooner.
@@sandmaker47Yeah they definitely could use the Midnight Suns as the R-rated supernatural/mystical horror side of the MCU.
Utilize characters such as Wong/Strange, Blade, Moon Knight, Black Knight, Werewolf By Night, Elsa Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Agatha Harkness, Nightcrawler, Magik, Ghost Rider, Scarlet Witch, Nightmare, & Mephisto.
They also need the Heroes for Hire/Defenders aka street-level Avengers:
Spider-Man, Daredevil, The Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, & Echo
Mayor Kingpin would make a perfect big bad for that team in a gang war plot.
Deadpool is the anchor being of the entire MCU
What I think could revive Marvel is the advice to just 'Keep it simple' and not make it some unrealistic and cringey galaxy warfare story of some sorts. Just make it realistic & relatively easier to understand for once, since not every viewer is willing to do some research on what they're viewing.
I still remember how long the lanes in cinema for endgame and infinity war. They just can’t do that anymore
If Deadpool succeeds in these 3 things, then marvel might have a chance.
1. It is an enjoyable movie that doesn't entirely revolve around comedy but creates a Deadpool balance of story and humor.
2. Semi set up a new face or possible team for the MCU.
3. Tease a new big bad/ avengers level threat that actually poses a threat on something other than the multiverse.
12:00 Well, funny you should say that, as in the comics, Knull the god of the Symbiotes is an enemy of the Celestials.
I still follow an animated series that started in 2011, which originally featured a shorter pilot season and 2 full-length seasons. Since then, it has been through 3 reboots, and has been expanded from 2 seasons to 18 as of July 2024. The latest reboot features a multiverse (of course), multidimensional new characters, fresh character arcs for legacy characters, and revamped worldbuilding. The best aspect (in my opinion) of the newest reboot is that it also functions as its own story, independent of its preceding seasons. Successful reboots are more than possible, but only if enough time, effort, and care is put in during the production process.
The new trinity should be Captain America Cyclops and Reed Richards of the Fantastic Four
he predicted the future dr doom replaces kang......well it was obvious but still.
12:05 Knull, God and Creator of the Symbiotes, is a big antagonist for the cosmic side and has huge ties to the Celestials. He was the one who killed the Celestial that formed Knowhere, using the Necrosword, the first Symbiote. The issue being, Venom. Sony does not easily let Marvel use any character, let alone ones they plan to use for their films, in MCU Spidey films and especially in other MCU films. (See Kraven in Black Panther)
I’m really excited for Reed as well! Cyclops too! Though it would be cool if secret wars allows them to recast cap and iron man so they can interact with them and Wolverine etc…
Eyyy you used the sound clip from the Why Files! Love it!
What you have to do is tell character driven stories. Wanda's story arc has been driven by tragedy and how she deals with it. That is the reason that she is one of the most popular characters in the MCU. There are still so many stories they can do to continue her story arc. How does she regain the respect of her peers? How does she regain her self respect? After WandaVision and MoM, her reputation has been shredded. In the comics, Wanda has ties to the multiverse as she is a nexus being. She should also be one of the faces of the Multiverse Saga.
Love and Thunder should have been a powerful story. Jane is dying of cancer. How does she process the fact that she is dying? She should get a resurrection arc and she decides that helping people is more important than living in paradise.
Not being a comic book fan is not a bad thing. Jac Schaeffer created one of the best MCU projects in WandaVision. It was almost completely original. It did have a loose relationship with the House of M but it was largely original. I would rather see someone who is a good dramatist developing these shows.
Marvel’s Deadpool isn’t even really a good version of Deadpool. Deadpool is a tortured soul masked by humor and marvels is just humor
17:50 Yesss! Yes! Yes! X-Men 2 is coming!
Phenomenal video essay brother. Perfectly articulated what so many fans have felt over recent years. The mini edit at 9:30 got me hyped. Beautiful work!
hearing ultrons speech in a future marvel movie with the change thing would be so fucking good.
We're hitting a payoff era now though. Deadpool & Wolverine, Thunderbolts, and Young Avengers ties together a LOT of characters and setup from otherwise disconnected stories
Im glad to see you appreciating the decade of great movies we got. A lot of people see a few bad marvel movies and pretend theh were never good.
Spiderman (Miles morales) perfect multiverse connection
It will be good to see a project founded around heroes whose foundation is family, there's a timelty theme there about how family is defined
The best and easiest solution is to make the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Spider man be the new focus of the MCU. They also need to make more stand alone movies that aren’t as interconnected so that when a team up happens, it actually feels special and necessary to stop a looming threat.
Those are the three biggest IPs that marvel studios has and they need to lean into them. I think the Avengers story concluded and they need to get away from that. Building an “avengers saga” style narrative focused on entirely new stuff using X-men, FF, and spidey would be great.
I say abandon most all of the phase 4 storylines and start with brand new stories centered on new characters in the MCU (and spidey). Spidey is even kinda new because no way home left the door open to start over and have nobody remember him existing in universe. It could essentially be like starting a new phase 1 of the “Mutant saga”, or something similar.
I think the idea of having the three leaders being Cap, Spider-Man, and Strange that is a great idea. Cap can be the leader of the Avengers, Spider-Man be a street level leader for the younger heroes, and Strange can lead the new Illuminati with Reid and Proffesor X.
Honestly marvel should just take a break and focus on quality over quantity in my opinion.
They are
Which is what they are doing. How many marvel movies is coming out this year?
@@gabrielruiz219 I think only one
There's nothing wrong with quantity, they just need to make it good. And they need to stop having deadlines which makes the film makers rush, especially the CGI artists.
@@americanfreedomworldpeace thats what they want to do.
the editing in the intro is top tier
It would be really cool to see Spiderman grow up, and become a more mature individual. We can watch his storyline from becoming a kid into an adult, and start following the leadership Tony stark had taught him. I think it would be really great character development for him, and he can eventually lead to the next avengers. In the first phase, many hero's didn't take spiderman because he was a kid. Then the other hero's perspectives of spiderman start to change and they follow behind him. It would be absolutely impressive to see unfold in the theaters, I think.
you really called their pivot to doom
Their biggest roadblock at the situation is that they don’t have enough time. Doomsday is coming in 2 years and the big finale, Secret Wars, is coming in 3. That’s not enough time to properly develop characters to make the audience care about them. If marvel wants to get back on track, they need to delay the 2 avengers films to flesh out characters like Spider-Man, Shuri, Captain Marvel, Captain America, etc.
Honestly I haven’t given up on marvel.. I’m just wondering why they would push so much content with characters nobody knows about
If I was in charge of, my plan would be:
1-Make endgame the true end of the MCU
2-take a five-year long break
3-During that break, search comic-book writers and filmmakers who are actual comic-book fans, NOT Rick and Morty writers, who could be seen as trustworthy and up for the task
4- Make an entirely new storyline for the people producing the movies and series to follow. Yes, I'm talking about rebooting the MCU.
4- Give Disney the finger
I fixed the mcu, first the projects, then ill explain:
- Phase 4 (2019-2023)
I would keep these movies and make it more quality:
Spider-Man 2 (2019)
Fantastic Four (2020)
Ant-man 3 (2021)
Spider-Man 3 (2021)
World War Hulk (2022)
Guardians Vol.3/Thor (2022)
Shang-Chi (2023)
Avengers: Secret Invasion (2023)
I would keep these Tv shows, and make it more quality:
Loki S1 (2020)
Wakanda S1 (2021)
Hawkeye/Kingpin/Yelena merged S1 (2021)
Ms.Marvel (2022)
Loki S2 (2022)
Animated Spider-Man Adventures (2023)
Rocket & Groot Show S1 (2023)
- Phase 5 (2024-2026)
Movies:
X-Men: United (2024)
Fantastic Four: Future Steps (2024)
Shield: Falcon & The White Wolf (2025)
Spider-Man: Kingpin (2025)
Teen Avengers (2026)
X-Men: New Threat (2026)
Tv Shows:
Wakanda S2 (2024)
Hawkeye S2 (2024)
Cyclops: Origins (2025)
Rocket & Groot S2 (2025)
Shang Chi Academy S1 (2026)
Vision: Aftermath (2026)
- Phase 6 (2027-2030)
Movies:
Spider-Man 5 (2027)
X-Men: Monsters (2027)
Fantastic Four: Back Again (2028)
Spider-Man: Sinister Six (2028)
Avengers: Doomsday (2029)
Captain America: Brave New World (2029)
X-Men: Phoenix Rise (2030)
Avengers: Secret Wars (2030)
Tv Shows:
Ant-Man: Family (2027)
Wakanda S3 (2027)
Thunderbolts S1 (2028)
Teen X-Men Adventure (2028)
Shang Chi Academy S2 (2029)
Rocket & Groot S3 (2029)
Thunderbolts S2 (2030)
Moon Knight S1 (2030)
- Plan:
I would drop honestly everything multiverse and time-travel, even in End Game. Because it makes deaths feel insignificant and it's just a cheap money grab idea imo. I would switch it out with a skrulls theme going troughout in this phase, where you see skrulls in every project. And have more team-ups going on, you can have team-ups in all these projects to follow-up on the characters in this universe, and with this, i mean, haha, there are already enough new characters introduced. Have 3-5 projects per year. 2-3 movies and 2-3 tv shows.
And yes, i would drop all the other projects they made for phase 4. And what would build huge intrigue for phase 5 is to have post-credit scenes and small cameos where you tease a new x-men team for Phase 5. The hype would be HUGE for both Avengers 5 and Phase 5.
Also this trilogy of phases could do something like build Doctor Doom up from the start to become more and more powerful as this big final threat in Phase 6, starting as early as in 2020 with Fantastic Four.
Another thing that is possible is to have Kingpin as the ground-level threat troughout phase 4 & 5 so that Phase 5 ends with Kingpin and Phase 6 ends with Doctor Doom.
So Skrulls, Kingpin, Doctor Doom & X-Men will be the focus of these next 10 years of the MCU in my plan. Spider-Man would also play a huge main-role being the main hero leading the Avengers towards the end of Phase 6.
Spiderman 2 would be about MJ and the aftermath of Tony Stark. Fantastic Four would introduce Doctor Doom as the next Thanos. Ant-Man 3 would go in the Quantum Realm and explore that. Spiderman 3 would introduce Miles and maybe also Gwen, no multiverse stuff. World War Hulk would be well a massive Hulk film. Guardians Vol.3 i would keep but with Thor going alongside them. Shang-Chi i would keep. Avengers would end Phase 4 as a big conclusion. Loki s1 and s2 i would keep 2020 and 2022. A wakanda show would see Shuri as a lab girl and other Wakandan adventures. The hawkeye show would introduce Kingpin and Yelena would know Hawkeye already. But this is Kate Bishop's show where you plan it out like The Flash and Arrow was done. First 2 episodes she gets her powers and starts learning basics, then the team has to fight a few villains here and there. And around episode 10-12 it has all come down to Kingpin and he is the villain troughout the whole show. Ironheart could be in Wakanda and the Iron Man Suits could have hints at what happens in projects showing up. The Shield Captain America had should be handed over to Falcon, sure.
Ms.marvel would obviously be better since theres less projects here. Captain Marvel would have never happened here btw. Theres no Captain Marvel movie before End Game for me. That's when everything started to go bad for the mcu. In 2023 i still want them to make something animated. And spider-man has so many villains so i think he needs a show that's animated. And i would love to see Rocket & Groot go on some adventures together, maybe even bring Thor along. Blow up some stuff and so on in 2023. 2024 would be the start of Phase 5 that would introduce the X-Men and have Kingpin as the ground level threat at the end of the phase. Phase 6 would be more about Doctor Doom, and obviously Spider-Man would be there to fight both Kingpin and Doctor Doom at the end of it all. So Spiderman gets a lot of growth. Tom Holland would also be around 33 years or something at the end of Phase 6 around 2030 so it fits perfectly. Means that there is less projects but much BIGGER projects thats much more quality and now today, 2024. We would have all these projects available and we would be super hyped to see the X-Men and super sad of what might have happened in the Avengers movie last year. So much emotion and intrigue. The mcu would have been alive.
ive been burnt out with marvel since eternals. if marvel is able to bring that spark i would return in a heartbeat
loved your deep dive into marvel as a whole man really great stuff keep up the great work
First there was the pandemic and Victoria alonso and Bob Chapek rush everything and screwing everything up that what wrong so Bob Chapek basically saying I don't if done or not put it Disney+
Try having to live thru 2 marvel downfalls. This time there's options and plenty of ways to fix. The first time all we had was the X-Men cartoon lol
Frankly, I don't think we should save it. It had its moment but it's done. Let it die. There are other things to enjoy. I'm personally getting back into The Hunger Games fandom now that Collins is writing more books. Also, and this might be a bigger element, A lot of the fans aren't kids anymore. I was 16 when I became a fan. I'm 28 now and I have a full-time job that takes up so much of my energy. I don't have time to obsess anymore. I don't have summer vacation or winter break or any real free time unless I get it approved for PTO because if I don't I starve. And I have a feeling it's the same for a lot of former fans. My best friend is similar. She works a part-time job and is finishing up her Masters. It takes up all of her energy and we meet up do you want to know what we do? We go hiking because we would rather be outside. It's okay to let things end, cause I think we're seeing that keeping things past their sell-by date doesn't work.
personally, a part of me thinks they should reboot maybe even be darker and Rrated as a way to separate it from the old Mcu.
Kang is confirmed to not be the main bad guy of the MCU
I’d love to see a version of the Bendis New Avengers
- Doctor Strange
- Spider-Man
- Wolverine
- Luke Cage
- Iron Fist
- Ronan
- Echo
However considering Luke Cage and Iron Fist aren’t really MCU proper as of yet maybe have Sam Wilson (Captain America) replace him and Shang Chi replace Iron Fist and if Jeremy Renner doesn’t come back then maybe Kate Bishop or Yelena could replace him as Hawkeye/Ronan
Bro called the Doom Pivot, nice
I also called the Doomsday title in a dr doom video 4 years ago.
Spiderman a recast black panther when chad died and Dr strange before they kept dumping on him every change they had. What should have been the next trio.
Shuri was great so im fine with them not recasting.
I think recasting Chad would have been too disrespectful. But I agree, Disney kept messing around with Doctor Strange 2 which was okay but just didn't feel it was very good (Disney did not like the violence planned in the movie, they changed the red blood to black)
@@americanfreedomworldpeace what red blood.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 Wanda Maximoff was originally supposed to have blood splattered on her face, Disney felt it was too violent so they change the blood to black blood from the robot blood splatters (and they changed directors)
@@mutalemwananshiku4098but in reality she's not that liked, her merch doesn't sell
Ok wait that symbiote introduction idea was actually genius. I actually want them to do that now.
Only movie I liked after Endgame is No way Home and Shang - chi.
DP3 is goated
Great essay!
I was 25 when iron man came and in the 90s i've readed all the comics
I don't fully understand how you want the world to change, the world of marvel in this case. Yes, good character drama and story is what really these movies need but can you elaborate on the part about changing the world and moving it foward?
when he used Thanos as a example that just confused me.
@@jadenbryant9283 Sorry, I don't remember that part. Can you remind me?
Yeah i mean unlike the comics they didnt erase thanos wiping out half of all life and characters age and have endings. i was confused by that
Well he said after Avengers Endgame, it felt like the story was done but they need to work on a new story and build a new world
@@americanfreedomworldpeace thats what thry have been doing with the post blip world.
Discovering this video after the Doom announcement hits pretty hard...
At this moment in time I am just here for Spiderman and Deadpool films. I couldn't care less about everything else but hopefully they might be able to turn it around if Deadpool and wolverine booms. Because they are most likely going to soft reboot it.
I couldn't agree more - Marvel has to show audiences that they care and acknowledge the comic book material they're adapting. I also found your review on the Spectacular Spider-Man series to be one of my favourite videos on your channel, being a fan of the show myself.
General audiences dont care about comics only comic book fans do.
Disney doesn't care about the source material, they already said that in the past.
Marvel still has a big fish with them who is "The Hulk"💚.. Use him wisely the universe is saved😁🔥
The Marvels is crazily overhated. The character chemistry was amazing
The anchor being is spiderman
hey great video, greetings from brazil 🇧🇷
Exactly ON POINT. The END was Endgame and I checked out afterwards. Bring in commonly known characters (like Wolverine?! next week) and things will feel worthwhile again.
Every time I see a Marvel character acting like a clever ass, like Tony, I just mumble: "you're not the guy, man, you're not the guy".
we have to
make marvel watch this
Your videos are terrific - never boring and always interesting. 👍
At least the MCU is in better shape than the DCEU or DCU.
The DCU hasn't even started yet. 💀
@@YourEverydayNerdYT Exactly, and the first movie or TV show won’t necessarily guarantee success, it will have to take its time to get us really interested in they’re future.
@@jerogomezrobledo Then why are you someone something you haven’t seen?
@@YourEverydayNerdYT In their defense, DC as a brand is kinda in hot water. Even though the DCU hasn't started yet and is shaping up pretty well as we get more info, audiences have beyond checked out with them at the moment.
@@YourEverydayNerdYT Because it's not a matter of prejudging it, it's just the truth. DC brand in terms of public perception is straight up in the shitter as of this moment in time.
Yeah the DCU is still in it's early development and news has been positive with it, but after the DCEU and basically everything about the previous regime before Gunn has come along, they've got a lot of groundwork to lay than Marvel does right now.
Make Peter go head to head with Doom the Tony variant and I'm back in the MCU game! I honestly think if they play their cards right they might just have some of the most emotionally packed dilemmas and conflicts there, which would be enough to gain back people's trust in the direction the new avengers are going. We love what both of these characters represent and they could lay a strong foundation for the old fans to follow even if they're not into the new characters.
(Extra points if they get Spidey to work with Daredevil and Deadpool, specially now that he has to start everything over after No way home, fans have been killing themselves for that for years now)
Thank you. I finally feel understood.
Super Frame: *suggests Holland’s Spider-Man is the natural choice to take over Iron Man’s role as the MCU’s new anchor*
HiTopFilms: *overwhelming screeching*
They're leading up to the Young Avengers, and I think they might have Peter lead them. Or at least partake in it, unless he goes more rogue / antihero / just solo neighborhood spiderman.
Because they're introducing Billy as Wiccan soon, and they've got almost all the other Young Avengers. They're going to be the focus.