Jesus ive been playing this game forever since i was a kid and you taught me things today in this video that i never knew playing this game. amazing video!
Wow that's really crazy to see such things in tournament games, just casual 2nd week desert diploing and farming utopias, because why not. Haha, congratz! Wish more god RNG in the following matches
Very well played Alex!!! I've watched Lexiav playing a few times and I was convinced he would crush you! Oh boy, I was completely wrong. Now I actually think you have a superior strategy! I've seen you doing things here that he doesn't do that I'll incorporate in my game. Even though you made some mistakes (outlined by yourself) like "miss-diploying" the Monarks, leaving the arties on the wrong hero, etc, you came out so far ahead! Yeah, he got a bad biome, but you did the best of yours! That's why I think sometimes, for tournaments, a mirror map is probably more suitable. A bad roll on JC may leave a player so far behind that kills the purpose of a balanced match between two good players! Anyways, thanks for putting this content on youtube! It's very fun to watch you playing, I like how you show your emotions when you mess it up or when you win! I've already subscribed! Great job Alex!
By the way I looked also during game to Lexiav's chat. One of them texted Alex plays heroes 3 like a chess. They probably bored but they didn't aware Alex has already in desert. Silly.
While I was watching this video, I saw plays you made that I never would have found and also these little mistakes you saw in your own play - and that combination tells us part of why Heroes 3 became a classic. The move tree is just so wide there's always room to improve.
Yeah I totally agree, the number of variations is amazing, I've played over 2000 games on Jebus Cross alone, and every game is different, I still have games all the time that go in unexpected directions that I've never experienced before.
Not only a solid but a fun to watch game, all the way until the end, congrats! Clops turn was a highlight but entire game was neat. How about a diplo tutorial? If JC has non-standard diplo settings, I'd take such video in JC flavor. Still confusing for many of us.
I randomly watched this pro gameplay. Never played much and always just against AI or in coop with friends. This is totally different level, i would say it's almost about abusing the gameplay system. But it was surely fun to watch and you would probably send an army of archangels against me while i'm only about to reach 100 imps with my lvl2 hero or something like that. lol
@@angelasenov6173 I think you're being too harsh. He does have a lot of experience and skill, he just plays for fun and tries to go for meme strategies to put on a show for the viewers.
@@alex_the_magician9483 I absolutely agree with you Alex. MeKick is so fun to watch and his "sinister six" series is very entertaining. I've learnt so much from watching him playing that I can't thank him enough! I've probably watched 50+ hours of his content!
Two random towns are rolled and we bid to see who gets the better town, as towns have varying strength levels. For example in a matchup like necro vs inferno, it's common for the necro player to pay 7k+. The bidding is also done for color as red is better because it gets to go first after simultaneous turns are done.
Hey, long time player, but never online. What's the back and forth chat going on at the very beginning? Looks like you're bargaining on starting resources or something?
It's called trading for towns - we are bidding from our starting 10k gold to see who gets the better town, and the same is done for color. You can check out this video I did for basics of online play - th-cam.com/video/XEsnn25K5_0/w-d-xo.html
Excellent job Alex..... killed it on the wyvern stack.... you played excellent this game not taking anything away from you.... but Lexi had a pretty bad start in this one that’s how the cookie crumbles sometimes though.... oh and btw I called the -strong when I saw the matchup fairing how you’ve mentioned and keep on mentioning how bad you are with stronghold hahaha
So i like heroes but NEVER played with these trades to start. Not sure i understand tho, he bet 5k for the town and you bet 1.5k for being first to act and you started with 3k extra...why not 3.5k? What am I missing?
Why did you choose Drakon instead of for example Tazar? I’m asking because in one of your videos you said that Tazar is your second favourite hero after Luna.
Tazar is better as a main but Drakon is better as a starter because he starts with 3 stacks of gnolls, allowing you to do for example a size 3 hive with just your day 1 army, if you pick Tazar as your starting hero it will slow you down too much in the first couple of turns, and on Jebus Cross tempo is really important.
Trading for town and color, at the beginning a random pair of towns is rolled and the opponents bid to see who gets their choice of town, as different towns have varying strength levels. Then the bidding process is repeated for the color - red is better as it gets to go first after simultaneous turns end.
When I played heroes(one of my most nostalgic games) I always used heroes to relay troops to my main character so that they were OP'd, I'm guessing this isn't the way to to do it when playing pro? Love that it's still going
It's still valid, but on templates like jebus cross you don't really rely on building army in your town most of the time. You get army by farming creature banks on the map, so bringing additional army from your main town will not make you that much stronger a lot of the time.
@@alex_the_magician9483 thank you for your reply, really appreciate it. When I played this game first time round it was in my early teens, maybe younger and it was always against AI. didn't realise there were such tactics to it at the time. Love looking at it now through your vids and others on here to see the level of tactics involved at a professional level. I'm def loading this game back again!
HD version from Steam is trash. You need the complete edition from good old games, and the HD mod, which gives additional functionality, and HotA, which is an unofficial expansion (the last two are free, just google them).
Hi - I saw both side of this match - and My opinion is that Alex had better map - at least the start - and break - Lexiav has tree conses but no other stuff. Im I right or not?
Overall yes, my map/break was better than his. Technically his map wasn't so bad in terms of objects, but their placement was really bad, and his break we definitely much worse than mine.
My man. I love HoMM but you gotta talk a bit more. This is my first competitive game and I have no idea about rules or what's going on. Like the barter thing I was completely lost and seemed like a good time to talk about it and your decisions etc. Just my two cents bro. GG
Thx for the feedback! I usually do try to talk more, but this was an important tournament game and I was in full focus mode here. I've covered the basics in separate videos before, feel free to check them out: Intro to online play: th-cam.com/video/XEsnn25K5_0/w-d-xo.html Intro to Jebus Cross: th-cam.com/video/G3PpTGeh0H0/w-d-xo.html Trading for towns: th-cam.com/video/BRRdJoo3aOQ/w-d-xo.html
@@alex_the_magician9483 Hahaha! I didn't even know it was such an important match! Thanks for the links. This was some next level tactics. We usually let everyone farm out their biome and max cities and armies and then have a huge brawl mid. Type of games that took days. Completely inefficient but fun. Great video thanks for taking the time.
We be fighting with them bad-ass single Gnols, No spells, no Time, no Meat, no Scrolls, Through valleys and caverns, still going on strong With them nasty Wyverns, We crushing with Drakooooooon. 🙌🙌🙌
@@florio131 For some people, some still prefer to play and watch JC. 1 hero JO has some merits, like making it easier for newcomers to catch on and perhaps get into the game themselves without feeling like they have to learn how to hero chain and do other stuff that's really intimidating at first. Heroes 3 does need this. However, I do feel like it takes a lot of depth out of the game. To me it's really satisfying to plan out my turns, to figure out how to play efficiently, to set up my chains and execute them properly. And those skills are also necessary if one hopes to play any tournaments besides 1 hero ones. But I get that a lot of people won't want to put in the time to learn how to do all that well, which is fine. To each his own.
@@alex_the_magician9483 Hello Alex, to be honest I also think that, like JO, JC also takes a lot of depth out of Heroes and is a SUPER simplification of the game: No underground, no water, no portals, no "month of the xxx", no siege against a well developed town, no town development (it's kinda a waste of time), no building level 7 creature for most factions, no mage guild development (you will find a magic tome soon anyways), very little resource management (the map is sooooo damn rich that when you play with Tower but don't need to worry about finding a Gem Mine or building a resource silo to produce +1 gem). You get so rich so fast that you can and should buy 10+ heroes in one turn and dismiss them just to explore/farm a bit more of the map. Artifact merchants play a very little role on JC and low to middle level artifacts can be safely ignored if it's a little bit off the way since it will be obsolete in a few turns after going to a Utopia. All that being said I think JC is very fun to play and watch and very exciting! I was so used to playing the usual FFA on 200% where you actually count every penny that when I first saw JC I was like "wtf is this, this is a completely different game!" :)
@@fiuza78 Its funny though, now that everyone is playing outcast, people think JC is hard. Sure JC takes a lot out of the game as well but my point was regarding the 1 hero mechanic - that's the part that I feel takes a lot of depth out of the game like hero chaining, planning, etc. Personally I don't find building up your town that interesting - anyone can do that, but farming the map like with Jebus Cross you really need to think about how to do it efficiently, etc, which I find really fun and interesting. But of course that's just my opinion, I could see other people not liking that so much.
Alex_The_Magician : Need a little bit more wood. That's what she said... Good thing you didn't watch Lexiavs stream...OMG that guy faked intelligence :)) trying to think his all game plan out loud...
You didnt win. Your opponent didnt fight!!! Why do you even play this game, if the fight doesnt even happen??! I want to find an actual h3 good pvp game. And i cant. People dont fight. They see each other and surrender... People like this, and games like this shouldnt be in the tournament. If anyone wants to watch this game, there is nothing to watch. I it would be a western duel, its like they dont even go out in the field. Before the announcer would call your name to go duel, you just surrender. You dont even see who waa fighting who... Its that bad... Thats something about this generation. Everyone wants to surrender before thw fight had even started. Anyway. Bad game. Diasalow surrenders like this in tournaments.
Maaan I totally get your frustration. I feel like the poster is being a bit stupid here.... imagine watching a "TOURNAMENT 1v1 VERSUS!" and you literally watch someone play solitaire for 2.5 hours, never actually see the opponent, and then they immediately concede. I mean that's clearly absolute garbage from the point of view of a spectator, and it's no surprise the heroes 3 viewership is absolutely trash compared to something like age of empires 2. A tournament video with 30k views is....not good. If the game tourney scene wants to survive long term they need to find a better game type with more back-and-forth because this was awful to watch.
Love how the video is split into sections, keeps video organized. Keep up the good content!
Thanks! Will do my best! :)
Jesus ive been playing this game forever since i was a kid and you taught me things today in this video that i never knew playing this game. amazing video!
Glad you liked it :)
Thanks for putting this up. I never use twitch so getting it on yt is always nice.
You're welcome!
Congrats. Learning a lot just watching. Both of you are my favorite streamers.
Good luck on the next game.
Thanks!
When I saw the title I was like: hell yeaaah!
2:42:41
This pop-off is infectious! Had me smiling, almost cheered in real life. Lmfao!
Haha, yeah I was pretty happy to win that.
Wow that's really crazy to see such things in tournament games, just casual 2nd week desert diploing and farming utopias, because why not. Haha, congratz! Wish more god RNG in the following matches
Haha, yeah desert game went pretty ok XD
you did more in one turn than i do in hours long games! great job
Very well played Alex!!! I've watched Lexiav playing a few times and I was convinced he would crush you! Oh boy, I was completely wrong. Now I actually think you have a superior strategy! I've seen you doing things here that he doesn't do that I'll incorporate in my game. Even though you made some mistakes (outlined by yourself) like "miss-diploying" the Monarks, leaving the arties on the wrong hero, etc, you came out so far ahead! Yeah, he got a bad biome, but you did the best of yours! That's why I think sometimes, for tournaments, a mirror map is probably more suitable. A bad roll on JC may leave a player so far behind that kills the purpose of a balanced match between two good players!
Anyways, thanks for putting this content on youtube! It's very fun to watch you playing, I like how you show your emotions when you mess it up or when you win! I've already subscribed! Great job Alex!
Thanks, happy to have taught you something :)
By the way I looked also during game to Lexiav's chat. One of them texted Alex plays heroes 3 like a chess. They probably bored but they didn't aware Alex has already in desert. Silly.
Damn, that 1 desert turn tough... gained 44 cyclops, 3 AAs, a town, some relics and gold lol, gg a very well deserved win
Thanks! Yeah, I was pretty happy with that turn :)
I like a little context intro. thanks!
Cool, thanks for the feedback!
We should talk about trading bro! Youre super intelligent! I enjoy watching you play. You are a fast thinkerrr.
Sweet! I will be there for the stream on friday :)
Will be happy to see you there :)
What stream? What stream? I demand you tell me. Tell me please!
@@mi-du5to At the end of this video he tells it :)
@@mi-du5to It will be on youtube, just click on my channel then and you'll see the live stream
Glad to see, that there is a perfect looking frame for the activate windows message 😅
While I was watching this video, I saw plays you made that I never would have found and also these little mistakes you saw in your own play - and that combination tells us part of why Heroes 3 became a classic. The move tree is just so wide there's always room to improve.
Yeah I totally agree, the number of variations is amazing, I've played over 2000 games on Jebus Cross alone, and every game is different, I still have games all the time that go in unexpected directions that I've never experienced before.
Not only a solid but a fun to watch game, all the way until the end, congrats!
Clops turn was a highlight but entire game was neat.
How about a diplo tutorial? If JC has non-standard diplo settings, I'd take such video in JC flavor. Still confusing for many of us.
Thanks!
Good idea on the diplo vid too, might do that!
VERY good game and well played. Wish you were still playing HOMM3
where is all vids tournament?
I don't have any others unfortunately.
I randomly watched this pro gameplay. Never played much and always just against AI or in coop with friends. This is totally different level, i would say it's almost about abusing the gameplay system. But it was surely fun to watch and you would probably send an army of archangels against me while i'm only about to reach 100 imps with my lvl2 hero or something like that. lol
Glad you liked the video :)
first mekick then lexiav, damn alex you're popping off
too bad i have no idea if you won or lost yet lmao
MeKick absolutely sucks skill wise tough. It's not much of an achievement xD
@@angelasenov6173 I think you're being too harsh. He does have a lot of experience and skill, he just plays for fun and tries to go for meme strategies to put on a show for the viewers.
@@alex_the_magician9483 I absolutely agree with you Alex. MeKick is so fun to watch and his "sinister six" series is very entertaining. I've learnt so much from watching him playing that I can't thank him enough! I've probably watched 50+ hours of his content!
@@angelasenov6173I am in agreeance! MeKick is awful xD
@@TheKnownWorld xD No offence mate, I
love you. You are a great and very funny guy but sometimes your plays are very questionable
1:18:54
I just imagine a cacophony of hyena giggles and laughs here. Like, all of Drakon's Gnolls just became SUPER buff. Lmfao
lol
What is the bidding phase pre-match about? This is my first foray into competitive play.
Two random towns are rolled and we bid to see who gets the better town, as towns have varying strength levels. For example in a matchup like necro vs inferno, it's common for the necro player to pay 7k+. The bidding is also done for color as red is better because it gets to go first after simultaneous turns are done.
@@alex_the_magician9483 thanks for the explanation. Can’t believe how much depth this game has.
What happened with the Wyvs from biom tough, did you check them ?
Oh yeah, sorry, forgot to include that in the video. Yes I didn't have enough gold, they would have joined, needed like 20.6k.
Hey, long time player, but never online. What's the back and forth chat going on at the very beginning? Looks like you're bargaining on starting resources or something?
It's called trading for towns - we are bidding from our starting 10k gold to see who gets the better town, and the same is done for color.
You can check out this video I did for basics of online play - th-cam.com/video/XEsnn25K5_0/w-d-xo.html
Where you play heroes 3 online multiplayer?
Horn of the Abyss online lobby, just get HotA click multiplayer and click online lobby.
Excellent job Alex..... killed it on the wyvern stack.... you played excellent this game not taking anything away from you.... but Lexi had a pretty bad start in this one that’s how the cookie crumbles sometimes though.... oh and btw I called the -strong when I saw the matchup fairing how you’ve mentioned and keep on mentioning how bad you are with stronghold hahaha
Sure, not denying that he had a bad biome.
hi whats the thing u did before start? with the gold?
bidding, because towns have varying strength levels we bid from our starting 10k gold to see who gets to play the stronger town
So i like heroes but NEVER played with these trades to start. Not sure i understand tho, he bet 5k for the town and you bet 1.5k for being first to act and you started with 3k extra...why not 3.5k? What am I missing?
Why did you choose Drakon instead of for example Tazar? I’m asking because in one of your videos you said that Tazar is your second favourite hero after Luna.
Tazar is better as a main but Drakon is better as a starter because he starts with 3 stacks of gnolls, allowing you to do for example a size 3 hive with just your day 1 army, if you pick Tazar as your starting hero it will slow you down too much in the first couple of turns, and on Jebus Cross tempo is really important.
what are they bidding on
What is happening at the settings with all that number typing? First time watching pvp.
Trading for town and color, at the beginning a random pair of towns is rolled and the opponents bid to see who gets their choice of town, as different towns have varying strength levels. Then the bidding process is repeated for the color - red is better as it gets to go first after simultaneous turns end.
When I played heroes(one of my most nostalgic games) I always used heroes to relay troops to my main character so that they were OP'd, I'm guessing this isn't the way to to do it when playing pro? Love that it's still going
It's still valid, but on templates like jebus cross you don't really rely on building army in your town most of the time. You get army by farming creature banks on the map, so bringing additional army from your main town will not make you that much stronger a lot of the time.
@@alex_the_magician9483 thank you for your reply, really appreciate it. When I played this game first time round it was in my early teens, maybe younger and it was always against AI. didn't realise there were such tactics to it at the time. Love looking at it now through your vids and others on here to see the level of tactics involved at a professional level. I'm def loading this game back again!
what version is this? I have the HD version, is this a mod for that one?
HD version from Steam is trash. You need the complete edition from good old games, and the HD mod, which gives additional functionality, and HotA, which is an unofficial expansion (the last two are free, just google them).
Congrats
Thanks!
Congrats on the victory!
Thank you! :)
I can't unhear his heavy breathing now...
Nice!
what is this template ??
Jebus Cross.
Hi - I saw both side of this match - and My opinion is that Alex had better map - at least the start - and break - Lexiav has tree conses but no other stuff. Im I right or not?
Overall yes, my map/break was better than his. Technically his map wasn't so bad in terms of objects, but their placement was really bad, and his break we definitely much worse than mine.
lol @ washing machine in the background.
Haha yeah, was laundry day.
What is your opponent doing as you do your turn?
waiting
@@alex_the_magician9483 holy shit that's a long wait. Average games must be like 1.5 hrs
My man. I love HoMM but you gotta talk a bit more. This is my first competitive game and I have no idea about rules or what's going on. Like the barter thing I was completely lost and seemed like a good time to talk about it and your decisions etc. Just my two cents bro. GG
Thx for the feedback! I usually do try to talk more, but this was an important tournament game and I was in full focus mode here.
I've covered the basics in separate videos before, feel free to check them out:
Intro to online play: th-cam.com/video/XEsnn25K5_0/w-d-xo.html
Intro to Jebus Cross: th-cam.com/video/G3PpTGeh0H0/w-d-xo.html
Trading for towns: th-cam.com/video/BRRdJoo3aOQ/w-d-xo.html
@@alex_the_magician9483 Hahaha! I didn't even know it was such an important match! Thanks for the links.
This was some next level tactics. We usually let everyone farm out their biome and max cities and armies and then have a huge brawl mid. Type of games that took days. Completely inefficient but fun. Great video thanks for taking the time.
@@theshushu7940 Thanks for watching :)
@@theshushu7940
@@shshh4929 shhhhh, we're not here....
Well played!
Ty :)
Which version is it ?
horn of the abyss
Um, although I haven't played heroes in years, I don't understand how you won. Where was the battle ?
No battle, opponent conceded
And how are you going to fight against a hero who managed to clear multiple utopias?
Anyone can explain why he need disband heroes?
You can only have set amount of heroes outside of towns. Or they are just not needed anymore
30 mins of restarts :D
pretty standard for online play
gg
Well played 🙂
Ty :)
nice
Good Game
Ty :)
Unbelievable how on Day 10 you have All Tomes, Level 16 hero, 8 Heroes, like 80 Level 6 units, $70K Gold.
haha yeah, it seemed crazy to me too when i first saw streamers play
Played an Old School Hip Hop Classic Instrumentals video on the back of this, and the game suddenly got way serious...er.
We be fighting with them bad-ass single Gnols,
No spells, no Time, no Meat, no Scrolls,
Through valleys and caverns, still going on strong
With them nasty Wyverns, We crushing with Drakooooooon.
🙌🙌🙌
Haha, nice!
"ok lets do this!" - proceeds to do nothing for a couple of minutes :) classy
Well I didn't say let's do this NOW
spending 2 hours and win without a fight with oponent? lmao pro heroes games is worst :DD
What's all that crap at the beginning? Trades...
I wish the computer was more smart so people can't get dragon ut
opia in 7 days
i dont understand
Lexiav is the bot 😂
Lexiav lost his ways playing kids one hero mode. JC only. Congrats on the game
Thanks! Well to be fair it was his biome that lost it for him, not lack of skill.
Rag on JO all you want that is a fun mode to play and it is a way more fun mode to WATCH IMO
@@florio131 For some people, some still prefer to play and watch JC. 1 hero JO has some merits, like making it easier for newcomers to catch on and perhaps get into the game themselves without feeling like they have to learn how to hero chain and do other stuff that's really intimidating at first. Heroes 3 does need this. However, I do feel like it takes a lot of depth out of the game. To me it's really satisfying to plan out my turns, to figure out how to play efficiently, to set up my chains and execute them properly. And those skills are also necessary if one hopes to play any tournaments besides 1 hero ones. But I get that a lot of people won't want to put in the time to learn how to do all that well, which is fine. To each his own.
@@alex_the_magician9483 Hello Alex, to be honest I also think that, like JO, JC also takes a lot of depth out of Heroes and is a SUPER simplification of the game: No underground, no water, no portals, no "month of the xxx", no siege against a well developed town, no town development (it's kinda a waste of time), no building level 7 creature for most factions, no mage guild development (you will find a magic tome soon anyways), very little resource management (the map is sooooo damn rich that when you play with Tower but don't need to worry about finding a Gem Mine or building a resource silo to produce +1 gem). You get so rich so fast that you can and should buy 10+ heroes in one turn and dismiss them just to explore/farm a bit more of the map. Artifact merchants play a very little role on JC and low to middle level artifacts can be safely ignored if it's a little bit off the way since it will be obsolete in a few turns after going to a Utopia.
All that being said I think JC is very fun to play and watch and very exciting! I was so used to playing the usual FFA on 200% where you actually count every penny that when I first saw JC I was like "wtf is this, this is a completely different game!" :)
@@fiuza78 Its funny though, now that everyone is playing outcast, people think JC is hard. Sure JC takes a lot out of the game as well but my point was regarding the 1 hero mechanic - that's the part that I feel takes a lot of depth out of the game like hero chaining, planning, etc.
Personally I don't find building up your town that interesting - anyone can do that, but farming the map like with Jebus Cross you really need to think about how to do it efficiently, etc, which I find really fun and interesting. But of course that's just my opinion, I could see other people not liking that so much.
wtf this start and end? :D pls normal game
What do you mean?
Alex_The_Magician : Need a little bit more wood.
That's what she said...
Good thing you didn't watch Lexiavs stream...OMG that guy faked intelligence :)) trying to think his all game plan out loud...
You didnt win. Your opponent didnt fight!!!
Why do you even play this game, if the fight doesnt even happen??!
I want to find an actual h3 good pvp game. And i cant. People dont fight. They see each other and surrender...
People like this, and games like this shouldnt be in the tournament.
If anyone wants to watch this game, there is nothing to watch.
I it would be a western duel, its like they dont even go out in the field. Before the announcer would call your name to go duel, you just surrender. You dont even see who waa fighting who... Its that bad...
Thats something about this generation. Everyone wants to surrender before thw fight had even started.
Anyway. Bad game. Diasalow surrenders like this in tournaments.
Lol your attitude is pure trash, you should find another game to watch/play.
Maaan I totally get your frustration. I feel like the poster is being a bit stupid here.... imagine watching a "TOURNAMENT 1v1 VERSUS!" and you literally watch someone play solitaire for 2.5 hours, never actually see the opponent, and then they immediately concede. I mean that's clearly absolute garbage from the point of view of a spectator, and it's no surprise the heroes 3 viewership is absolutely trash compared to something like age of empires 2. A tournament video with 30k views is....not good. If the game tourney scene wants to survive long term they need to find a better game type with more back-and-forth because this was awful to watch.
😂😂😂😂🤡
@georgel5393 No 😂😂😂
What the fuck
wtf is that before the game? 1 2 3 4 1.1 1.3 wtf they writing in the chat?