If you hate the people, and country you live in why don't you just leave? My family went back to retire. Sounds like these people are torturing themselves for nothing
@Ewarton Charlton 20:37 George says, "when I return to the homeland". He was born in London, educated in grammar schools and at Kings College, Cambridge. Yet he grew up only around black people? Doubt it. He went on to be commissioned by Sky for his Poetry and has a podcast on the BBC. I guess his disdain for his British heritage didn't matter during those days when accepting the money from the white media elites. But it did matter when he was offered the MBE? And in this interview they make mention of " black poets" turning down awards but don't reference George himself? Why be ashamed of that? I guess a manager or agent told him, it will cost in the long run so avoid that 'history' as much as possible. But let's see how long it is before he moves back to Uganda😉.
@Ewarton Charlton haha nice try. Notice the word "the" not "my". His homeland is England, London, which I stated. But the word "the" implies Africa. He is still based in the UK. Why would he move back to a place he hasn't left? He was referring to a homeland he has never lived in. But your comment doesn't make mention of the hypocrisy I pointed out either. You just called me a white supremacist. I'm just pointing out he has never lived in Africa and was born and raised in England.
@Ewarton Charlton read my original comment again and let's see what response you make. You got his parent's origin Country wrong, when you first replied and said Ghana. You had to edit it to Uganda. Slow down and take your time mate, no hate here other than against fascism in all forms
@Ewarton Charlton you didn't make a point. You made an accusation and didn't address the fact he refers to his homeland as 'the homeland', not my homeland. This is because he has never lived there. My point is he was born, raised and educated in England, to a point where he could work for white owned, media corporations. But he won't acknowledge or accept a British empire award. And wont admit to rejecting or considering rejecting the award in this interview, when mentioned. Check the editors note(last line of the description). So why not refer to England or London as his homeland? Or either call the homeland "Uganda"? And my final line was a sarcastic prediction that we won't be seeing him immigrating back to Uganda any time soon. I'm guessing this interview was held in London somewhere, so the two speakers were very aware of the wording they were using, to make it more confusing for an impressionable, less educated ear.
@Ewarton Charlton I'm just calling out the simple hypocrisy of it. Anyone who's watching should understand both the speakers choice of words carefully, so they get a full picture. But calling racist at anyone who questions this is not a tactic that will be accepted anymore
The question is... Who runs the world system of today?... Isn't it clear that colonilastion still hold its grip in another style which is more decisive to the future of the world!
You haven't addressed my points about George yet. And you've called me racist. So you'll have to show me some kind of basic understanding of the time stamps I've given you.
@Ewarton Charlton ah the old switcheroo. Poor, very poor mate. Gopal says, "...and young white, Britons need to be reminded of their ancestors were only just colonisers and enslavers...". Blanket, umbrella statement used to describe all white people. No mention of Scots, Welsh, Jewish, Irish etc who could all be " young, white Britons". No confusion, or mistake and blatant as can be. What percentage of young white Britons, living in Britain today have direct descendants of colonisers and enslavers? I'd like to know.
What if there could exist a breed politics in which polarity is no more the case, there are no more them and us. I think the idea of reparations is absurd as much as the idea of " you go back home" is. I want to also express my deep concern with the abhorrent repulsive recent tweet of the lady professor! That is just not helping the case at all! Both parties can be seen as victims of an old aggressive unjust system that was merely driven by hunger for power and oppression of every thing against it. A system that never put global humanity at the center of its interest.
Approximately 1,000,000 white European people were kidnapped as slaves and taken forcibly to North Africa, a trade that continued to mid 1800s. This led to many European coastal towns being abandoned as marauding North Africans would mostly attack coastal towns, sometimes kidnapping whole villages congregating in churches, for instance. Slavery was traditionally accepted especially within Muslim societies, often referred to in the qu’ran. Slavery was not only practised by white Europeans but by many other peoples. I sense Gopal eminates suspiciously disproportionate resentment and bitterness.
White europeans were enslaved and taken to North Africa ... And that justifies Northern Europeans colonizing the whole of sub saharan Africa , Americas, Australia and South Asia exactly how? Also, please recheck your sources. You're quoting a grossly inflated number . Not that it justifies forced slavery of any group of people, but it does deflate your entire argument.
@@sca8217 - I absolutely do not think i justifies Europeans making slaves of people, and what I said is not an 'argument' but simply a statement of fact. I think slavery is a crime, abhorrent and cruel whoever practises it.
Thank you, interesting conversation, it was good to hear about the background of the guests and their experiences both in Britain and abroad. I am not surprised that George the Poet turned down an MBE, especially after what happened to him outside his parents home. I take issue with Professor Gopal saying that "you can't make reparations for something as monumentally horrific as slavery." Reparations has been paid to others, example, Germany was made to pay reparations after WWI. It's only when it's to do with the descendants of enslaved black people in the Caribbean and Americas that there is a reluctance to pay! I agree that the whole country benefitted in one way or another from the slave trade. I liked how Professor Gopal highlighted that the slaves was always rebelling! Anger channelled in a constructive way can change things, example, ending slavery and the civil rights movement in America. Also, the outcry about the lack of black faces at Oxbridge has led to changes, I too have noticed over the past ten years that there are now more black faces there because when I first visited, could not see any! I loved how Professor Gopal mentioned about European knowledge is based on knowledge drawn from other parts of the world, example Africa and Asia. I agree with both guests about when one does not talk about race you get a slightly better treatment but as soon as one mentions the issue of race and how it has impacted your life through various people and/or institutions you get pushed back! I loved how Professor Gopal spoke about victims and identity politics. 🤣Saying "who is claiming victimhood? It's largely white elite men!" The discussion on names was very interesting and I understand the reason/s why some African and Asian people choose to use European names but it is a form of giving in to the coloniser because that was one of the first things they did during slavery, giving them 'their masters' name! Thereby trying to disconnect them from their ancestors. Their names are no more difficult to pronounce (at school or work) than Russian or East European names. Lastly, I love how Professor Gopal answered the question about when they say "they don't see colour!"😂 Agree with your answer about the myths (there is no racism) and the mouthpieces (plenty of them!) to be successful in this society.
There's a flaw in Prof Priiyamvada's reasoning of harking back to the past when she avers that medieval Europe borrowed knowledge from the ancient cultures of Asia and Africa. What she overlooks is the fact that the Europeans absorbed information from various parts of the old world order and later surpassed the rudimentary knowledge of Asia and Africa, introduced and discovered entirely new knowledge systems like Newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, electricity, electronics, digitization, automation, neuroendocrine system, genetics, radiocarbon dating and other such disciplines that were unknown in ancient times and moreover the European savants corrected or falsified much if not most of the understanding of the ancient Asians and Africans of the natural world. So, the contribution of the ancient cultures of Asia and Africa versus the European inputs - a case of apples and oranges.
The general public in Britain at the time slavery was going on were not necessarily aware of how badly slaves were being treated, any more than the general public is aware of the fact that most of their shoes and handbags that are made from dog skin - dogs that have been boiled and skinned alive in China. It was when people woke up to the knowledge of what was happening to slaves that there began to be a change which led to the abolition. This is such a bigoted conversation.
Their take is putting too much blame on the general public and you are painting them blame less but I would say truth might lie somewhere in the middle.
@@Kismayo-Videos no really, throughout history the vast majority of populations were the victims of the elite i.e. were there to serve the elite. slavery is an important part of the history of civilisation. only an elite few really gained from colonialism; and most estimates I've seen show GDP gain of somewhere between 1-3%. from an economist's perspective colonialism was an expensive folly and the UK for example would have become much richer doing free trade.
To answer the young man’s intelligent and honest question, western governments can start atoning by seizing to meddle in African politics and electoral processes. In addition, western corporations can seize to aggressively exploit and deplete the resources of countries in Africa. A clear example and confirmation of the above practices is right next door to you in the shape of France and her relationship with most of French speaking African countries. So if Europe can start dealing with the present, AKA neocolonialism, I choose to believe it will have significant impact on how often Africa reflects on the past or points finger at Europe. Finally, tell your governments to return stolen artifacts littered in museums all over Europe. 🥂
Encouraging conversation! Even with constant pressure to eliminate systemic racism, injustice & the lack of compassion may take awhile. We must be committed & dedicated to the long haul and seeing it through. To create a fearless world where we all thrive takes a massive amount of courage.
@@iqra6355 see the real stats. re percentage of those groups in crime, unarmed blacks are not killed by police more than others. it's a myth (e.g. there was an almost identical incident to George Floyd but with a white guy as victim. have you heard about it in the media - No). what is real is they are not treated as well by police in US (roughed up more etc). and that plays into the complexity of black history in the US.
Nothing compares to Crussade , Spanish inquisition, and re conquista and holocaust . Thanks, Christian europe and colonial regime of america for killing people to their millions and displacing them from their homes . Who unused Nagasaki by the way? Better take a look in the mirror.
Most of us who read,comment, I reckon are educated & knowledgeable to know that we all are descendants of the original Eve who climbed out of the swamps of Rift Valley.75-80,000years World's population due to 'TOBA CATASTROPHE 'reduced to 10,000 + breeding pairs .We today are the descendants from that pool who survived in the islands of Indonesia. European Jewish Settlers constructing a State based on religious Racism propound that their God came down to Earth & promised them Palestine 2-3.000 years ago..Apartheid South Africa, perhaps Fascism has successfully morphed into Zianism. Human Beings are Crazy.
We are not collectively responsible for anything that happened in the past any more than any one of us is responsible for what our grandparents may have done.
I think the other question is around reparations or repair into still inequitable societies and communities. so reparations necessarily has to include deconstructing current systems to transform them to be equitable. So reparations is a process, not a destination.
So if European made cars, healthcare, immunization, and computers and cell phones, that's not part of repirations? Is that cultural appropriation and European should be entitled to repirations for intellectual property theft?
Not quite the same. You know that Europeans made cars. You don't know the numerical system came from India. You know immunizations were invented by Europeans you don't know Indian and Chinese doctors were already doing serious research on Small Pox. You don't know but that doesn't change the fact that lives in 3 continents were disrupted to create a hub for colonial powers to get their raw materials and cheap/unpaid labor from.
Gopal's knowledge and interpretation of colonial history is impressive. However, although we learn from the past the question is about how things move forward. The British did not invent colonialism or slavery. I think that today we should recognise the evils of slavery but not be obsessing about who profited from the slavery of centuries ago. I'm sure Gopal will have noticed that the UK is about 90% white. So-called white privilege is nothing more than is to be expected given that the dominant culture is white British. I can't believe she asked the question "How do you diversify the Royal family?" Race relations in the UK have been progressing well for several decades. The current appetite for woke naval gazing will if anything take things backwards.
I think the whole issue with how people like Gopal speak, using racial terms like 'white' instead of what she usually means which is the majority. she understands that because she talks about her privileges as an upper cast women in India. the colour of skin in the contexts she talks about is just happenstance. racialising everything is antagonistic and divisive. there is a way to talk about what was reality for immigrant populations without always reaching out to race to explain it. obviously sometimes race is relevant but I find when she and others in similar positions speak they are implicitly accusatory in their speech with phrases like white privilege. then they wonder why 'whites' are so defensive. being accused of something due to your colour, something you cannot change, is riling for anyone. we all need to remember that the vast majority of peoples of any colour were the victims of the elites during all times in history. I don't know her, but my read of her is she is very angry about the past and how it bleeds into the present and it gives her some satisfaction emotionally to antagonise 'whites'. Gopol's ancestors were likely responsible for far more suffering than the average white person in the UK (who descend from the working and indentured classes in the main) given her caste. most Indians during the colonial era were merely swapping one ruler for another (her ancestors being in the ruling class - and working with the British). little changed for many and for most nothing at all changed as the British colonial pattern was to work through existing leaders (as George highlighted), leaving them to exploit 'their' people as they always had. most people in the uk had terrible lives during the colonial hay days. and think about what life was like for those such as the 'white' Irish. we need honesty about the past and how it reflects on the present but all too often it descends into white bashing that merely puts up walls and causes more division. modern psychology teaches us that shaming people does not bring them on your side. in fact it's how you create enemies.
When referring to white privilege, it isn't talking to you as an individual but the systemic differences that being white or "other" that are in place. It is a common misconception to personalise the term but it absolutely does not talk to you personally. I would suggest further insight into Priyamvada's very vocal views on the impact caste issues and Hindutva mentality, arguably more vocal and vociferous than any of the topics you've referred to
@@hamodha I repeat; racialising everything is antagonistic and divisive there is zero reason to racialise inequalities except to cause division and reap some emotional satisfaction which is what I believe she is doing. she is in a group of one of the most privileged human beings in human history. and she is a racist.
Ms. Gopal, you and your compatriots, have long been brought to the international court. In India you currently have caste slavery. You call yourself the highest caste, study, occupy leadership positions. Manage business and politics, while at the same time you have millions of people who you call the lowest caste. You do not allow them to study or occupy leadership positions. And this is only on the basis of katom. You are one of the representatives of the slave caste. When will you kneel before your compatriots ???
she seems so unaware that she is essentialy a colonizer... unless only whites are colonizers when they leave their homelands... maybe differnt rules apply for different peoples... or maybe they dont
Ugandans were enslaving each other long before the British Empire got there. Ironically the British Empire actually abolished slavery in Uganda so I was surprised to hear that George is resentful that the British..... abolished.... slavery ? 🤔 what?
francis z He’s not talking about google search. He’s talking about the Ugandan Government official website. You’re in plain denial. The Ugandan government concedes that slavery was practised in pre-colonial Uganda and yet here you are trying to contradict them because you don’t like the truth. Lol.
@@fritzdeuces You've now resorted to trying to change the topic of discussion by bringing up things that are entirely irrelevant, because you know you've been soundly defeated and shown up to be ignorant. See how that works?
I also find it interesting how we’re focusing so much on the Atlantic slave trade which existed for a fraction of the time African, South American and Middle-Eastern slave trades existed.... 🤔 is it perhaps that the people on the stage have a strong underlying hatred of the British and white people? Yes, slavery was awful. But I don’t see why we are focusing so much on the Atlantic slave trade which was practiced for a fraction of the time everyone else was practicing slavery for. Moreover, the British were some of the first people in the world to abolish slavery. Africans were enslaving people way longer than the British ever did. For example, Ethiopia legally had 3.5 million slaves in 1934 (100+ years after the British abolished it)
J S Pretty much, yeah. That’s why I was genuinely confused as to how George resented Britain because of slavery. Then I realised that all his assertions have no basis in fact. 🤷🏻♂️
The trans-Atlantic slave trade has had a much more significant impact (and disproportionately so) on the shaping of the modern globalised world. The underdevelopment caused by empire creates the global inequality we see now. Yes slave trades existed all over the world before the Atlantic slave trade but for the relevance to the modern world, they are comparatively dwarfed by the genocidal accrument of wealth that allows countries like the UK to be global leaders (a tiny tiny island)
Also to speak hypothetically about what would have happened if not for the British is a madness. Britain would be infinitely poorer and we do not know what other empires or civilisations would have died out or come in to existence during that time in Africa or elsewhere. It's also lastly a bit of a myth that Britain stopped slavery, the empire collapsed under it's own weight in many ways and actual slave rebellions had a very key part to play
Jerry Amo The British slave trade ended in 1833 while the British Empire was still growing and set to continue to grow until it reached its peak just under 100 years later in 1925. The British Empire then started to disband after WW2. So how did slave revolts, that must have happened before 1833, have a key role in the disbanding of the British Empire over 150 years later despite having an another 100 years of growth ahead?
Ewarton Charlton I can play the whataboutism game with you too. I bring up slavery perpetrated by black Africans which happened way before and way after the Atlantic slave trade and you instantly deflect and want to only concentrate on the Atlantic slave trade. You want whites to take responsibility for slavery but refuse any idea for black people taking responsibility too? Smells like a double standard to me. Therefore you lose all credibility
Indians always loved the empire. They never faced the racism blacks or even a Pakistani muslim goes through. Most indians will tell you there is no racism in Europe cuz lets be honest,they barely even go out. When a racist right wing party wants to look not racist,they use indians to do their argument.
It also led to some people of some races having opportunities that they would never have had if it hadn't happened. There are two sides to it. She wouldn't be here and neither would he and neither would have had the education that they have had.
By the way, by using the internet (a Western invention, based on centuries of research and discovery, partly financed by colonial profits) you also benefit from slavery right now. One could see colonialism as a loan the rest of the planet was forced to give to Europe, that is now being repaid in technology, trade and organizing principles.
@@Edge81 Can you please explain to me what's stupid/racist about saying that the enlightenment, global trade and the industrial revolution were made possible by colonial profits? And that those developments ended up improving the lives of most people on this planet?
@@falkjanen5050 You are essentially saying that slavery and colonialism was okay because without it there would have been no advance in civilisation and science.
@@Edge81 Sorry, but you misinterpreted me. I didn't make a moral statement but just described causes and effects. But I do think it's ironic that the Europeans took the millennia old concepts of imperialism and slavery to such an extreme that they made them redundant. Thereby unwillingly creating a world that most colonialists and slave owners would consider totally disgusting. ;-)
Megan isn’t the first Moor to enrich and strengthen the royal families of Europe. Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz Empire was the wife of King George III.
Promoting the victim mindset as usual, you can also appreciate being in an open developed world now, people are still slaves to stupidity in todays world
And you are not immoral. Death is just around the corner like any other mortal humans made of flash and bones . Better look at your words which are indicative of black hole of ignorance.
J S hindus were colonizers themselves. Hindu temples did not exist until Hindu leaders attacked the rising Buddhist religion and their temples in order to built temples over them... the real indigenous people of the indian subcontinent are the Dalits which Hindu supremacists briefly brush over. Just how white people colonized North America and became a majority is how aryan colonizers spread Hinduism in the subcontinent and built a system which benefits Hindus. This woman Priya takes accountability of her privilege as a higher cast Hindu in India but sadly not many would even dare talk about the Dalits.
@Ewarton Charlton there is no instutionalized racism now, in today's world crying about past and being miserable because you are from another place is plain stupid. This is the best, fair, unbiased time to live in then ever before.
Why doesnt' the UK government pay black families 100K per family but they have to leave UK and return to Africa? Reparations paid and done with... and replace the loss of people with east asians.
Why on Earth would the UK give blacks reparations? Africa owes Western Europeans reparations for 800 years of enslavement of Western Europe by the African Moors.
If you hate the people, and country you live in why don't you just leave? My family went back to retire. Sounds like these people are torturing themselves for nothing
@Ewarton Charlton 20:37 George says, "when I return to the homeland". He was born in London, educated in grammar schools and at Kings College, Cambridge. Yet he grew up only around black people? Doubt it.
He went on to be commissioned by Sky for his Poetry and has a podcast on the BBC.
I guess his disdain for his British heritage didn't matter during those days when accepting the money from the white media elites. But it did matter when he was offered the MBE? And in this interview they make mention of " black poets" turning down awards but don't reference George himself? Why be ashamed of that? I guess a manager or agent told him, it will cost in the long run so avoid that 'history' as much as possible.
But let's see how long it is before he moves back to Uganda😉.
@Ewarton Charlton haha nice try. Notice the word "the" not "my". His homeland is England, London, which I stated. But the word "the" implies Africa. He is still based in the UK. Why would he move back to a place he hasn't left? He was referring to a homeland he has never lived in.
But your comment doesn't make mention of the hypocrisy I pointed out either. You just called me a white supremacist. I'm just pointing out he has never lived in Africa and was born and raised in England.
@Ewarton Charlton read my original comment again and let's see what response you make. You got his parent's origin Country wrong, when you first replied and said Ghana. You had to edit it to Uganda. Slow down and take your time mate, no hate here other than against fascism in all forms
@Ewarton Charlton you didn't make a point. You made an accusation and didn't address the fact he refers to his homeland as 'the homeland', not my homeland. This is because he has never lived there. My point is he was born, raised and educated in England, to a point where he could work for white owned, media corporations. But he won't acknowledge or accept a British empire award. And wont admit to rejecting or considering rejecting the award in this interview, when mentioned. Check the editors note(last line of the description). So why not refer to England or London as his homeland? Or either call the homeland "Uganda"? And my final line was a sarcastic prediction that we won't be seeing him immigrating back to Uganda any time soon. I'm guessing this interview was held in London somewhere, so the two speakers were very aware of the wording they were using, to make it more confusing for an impressionable, less educated ear.
@Ewarton Charlton I'm just calling out the simple hypocrisy of it. Anyone who's watching should understand both the speakers choice of words carefully, so they get a full picture. But calling racist at anyone who questions this is not a tactic that will be accepted anymore
The question is... Who runs the world system of today?... Isn't it clear that colonilastion still hold its grip in another style which is more decisive to the future of the world!
@Ewarton Charlton 15:21
@Ewarton Charlton argue it then, sensibly. I'm all ears
You haven't addressed my points about George yet. And you've called me racist. So you'll have to show me some kind of basic understanding of the time stamps I've given you.
@Ewarton Charlton ah the old switcheroo. Poor, very poor mate. Gopal says, "...and young white, Britons need to be reminded of their ancestors were only just colonisers and enslavers...". Blanket, umbrella statement used to describe all white people. No mention of Scots, Welsh, Jewish, Irish etc who could all be " young, white Britons". No confusion, or mistake and blatant as can be. What percentage of young white Britons, living in Britain today have direct descendants of colonisers and enslavers? I'd like to know.
What if there could exist a breed politics in which polarity is no more the case, there are no more them and us. I think the idea of reparations is absurd as much as the idea of " you go back home" is. I want to also express my deep concern with the abhorrent repulsive recent tweet of the lady professor!
That is just not helping the case at all!
Both parties can be seen as victims of an old aggressive unjust system that was merely driven by hunger for power and oppression of every thing against it. A system that never put global humanity at the center of its interest.
Approximately 1,000,000 white European people were kidnapped as slaves and taken forcibly to North Africa, a trade that continued to mid 1800s. This led to many European coastal towns being abandoned as marauding North Africans would mostly attack coastal towns, sometimes kidnapping whole villages congregating in churches, for instance. Slavery was traditionally accepted especially within Muslim societies, often referred to in the qu’ran. Slavery was not only practised by white Europeans but by many other peoples. I sense Gopal eminates suspiciously disproportionate resentment and bitterness.
White europeans were enslaved and taken to North Africa ... And that justifies Northern Europeans colonizing the whole of sub saharan Africa , Americas, Australia and South Asia exactly how? Also, please recheck your sources. You're quoting a grossly inflated number . Not that it justifies forced slavery of any group of people, but it does deflate your entire argument.
@@sca8217 - I absolutely do not think i justifies Europeans making slaves of people, and what I said is not an 'argument' but simply a statement of fact. I think slavery is a crime, abhorrent and cruel whoever practises it.
she isn't black! she is brown and indian. at least own your identity!
Thank you, interesting conversation, it was good to hear about the background of the guests and their experiences both in Britain and abroad. I am not surprised that George the Poet turned down an MBE, especially after what happened to him outside his parents home. I take issue with Professor Gopal saying that "you can't make reparations for something as monumentally horrific as slavery." Reparations has been paid to others, example, Germany was made to pay reparations after WWI. It's only when it's to do with the descendants of enslaved black people in the Caribbean and Americas that there is a reluctance to pay! I agree that the whole country benefitted in one way or another from the slave trade. I liked how Professor Gopal highlighted that the slaves was always rebelling!
Anger channelled in a constructive way can change things, example, ending slavery and the civil rights movement in America. Also, the outcry about the lack of black faces at Oxbridge has led to changes, I too have noticed over the past ten years that there are now more black faces there because when I first visited, could not see any! I loved how Professor Gopal mentioned about European knowledge is based on knowledge drawn from other parts of the world, example Africa and Asia.
I agree with both guests about when one does not talk about race you get a slightly better treatment but as soon as one mentions the issue of race and how it has impacted your life through various people and/or institutions you get pushed back! I loved how Professor Gopal spoke about victims and identity politics. 🤣Saying "who is claiming victimhood? It's largely white elite men!"
The discussion on names was very interesting and I understand the reason/s why some African and Asian people choose to use European names but it is a form of giving in to the coloniser because that was one of the first things they did during slavery, giving them 'their masters' name! Thereby trying to disconnect them from their ancestors. Their names are no more difficult to pronounce (at school or work) than Russian or East European names. Lastly, I love how Professor Gopal answered the question about when they say "they don't see colour!"😂 Agree with your answer about the myths (there is no racism) and the mouthpieces (plenty of them!) to be successful in this society.
There's a flaw in Prof Priiyamvada's reasoning of harking back to the past when she avers that medieval Europe borrowed knowledge from the ancient cultures of Asia and Africa. What she overlooks is the fact that the Europeans absorbed information from various parts of the old world order and later surpassed the rudimentary knowledge of Asia and Africa, introduced and discovered entirely new knowledge systems like Newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, electricity, electronics, digitization, automation, neuroendocrine system, genetics, radiocarbon dating and other such disciplines that were unknown in ancient times and moreover the European savants corrected or falsified much if not most of the understanding of the ancient Asians and Africans of the natural world. So, the contribution of the ancient cultures of Asia and Africa versus the European inputs - a case of apples and oranges.
The general public in Britain at the time slavery was going on were not necessarily aware of how badly slaves were being treated, any more than the general public is aware of the fact that most of their shoes and handbags that are made from dog skin - dogs that have been boiled and skinned alive in China. It was when people woke up to the knowledge of what was happening to slaves that there began to be a change which led to the abolition. This is such a bigoted conversation.
Their take is putting too much blame on the general public and you are painting them blame less but I would say truth might lie somewhere in the middle.
@@Kismayo-Videos no really, throughout history the vast majority of populations were the victims of the elite i.e. were there to serve the elite. slavery is an important part of the history of civilisation.
only an elite few really gained from colonialism; and most estimates I've seen show GDP gain of somewhere between 1-3%. from an economist's perspective colonialism was an expensive folly and the UK for example would have become much richer doing free trade.
To answer the young man’s intelligent and honest question, western governments can start atoning by seizing to meddle in African politics and electoral processes.
In addition, western corporations can seize to aggressively exploit and deplete the resources of countries in Africa.
A clear example and confirmation of the above practices is right next door to you in the shape of France and her relationship with most of French speaking African countries.
So if Europe can start dealing with the present, AKA neocolonialism, I choose to believe it will have significant impact on how often Africa reflects on the past or points finger at Europe.
Finally, tell your governments to return stolen artifacts littered in museums all over Europe. 🥂
The level of dissonance management by some people's comments here only strengthens the case made by George
Not really, stop acting like you responded to every bit of criticism in one swoop. All you basically did was walk in, fart, then leave.
Encouraging conversation! Even with constant pressure to eliminate systemic racism, injustice & the lack of compassion may take awhile. We must be committed & dedicated to the long haul and seeing it through. To create a fearless world where we all thrive takes a massive amount of courage.
Now BLM has come along and ruined it all
@@MegaUluwatu I don't know- cops murdering people probably ruins things
@@iqra6355 see the real stats. re percentage of those groups in crime, unarmed blacks are not killed by police more than others. it's a myth (e.g. there was an almost identical incident to George Floyd but with a white guy as victim. have you heard about it in the media - No). what is real is they are not treated as well by police in US (roughed up more etc). and that plays into the complexity of black history in the US.
george the poet isn't even a descendant of slavery
Good well islamic countries can start paying reparations to the people they enslaved starting with Spain.
Nothing compares to Crussade , Spanish inquisition, and re conquista and holocaust . Thanks, Christian europe and colonial regime of america for killing people to their millions and displacing them from their homes . Who unused Nagasaki by the way? Better take a look in the mirror.
@Thee One your master
@Thee One who do you think I meant when I sent master? Europeans will always be the top of the hierarchy for as long as our tongues are spoken.
TheShorterboy
Do you mean Andulsia?
Most of us who read,comment, I reckon are educated & knowledgeable to know that we all are descendants of the original Eve who climbed out of the swamps of Rift Valley.75-80,000years World's population due to 'TOBA CATASTROPHE 'reduced to 10,000 + breeding pairs .We today are the descendants from that pool who survived in the islands of Indonesia.
European Jewish Settlers constructing a State based on religious Racism propound that their God came down to Earth & promised them Palestine 2-3.000 years ago..Apartheid South Africa, perhaps Fascism has successfully morphed into Zianism.
Human Beings are Crazy.
We are not collectively responsible for anything that happened in the past any more than any one of us is responsible for what our grandparents may have done.
good luck on your power grab.
Interesting
' The homeland and over here '. Is that where you are really from?
white inventions saved many black lives like the microscope mti scan eeg ecg etc etc
I think the other question is around reparations or repair into still inequitable societies and communities. so reparations necessarily has to include deconstructing current systems to transform them to be equitable. So reparations is a process, not a destination.
So if European made cars, healthcare, immunization, and computers and cell phones, that's not part of repirations? Is that cultural appropriation and European should be entitled to repirations for intellectual property theft?
Not quite the same. You know that Europeans made cars. You don't know the numerical system came from India. You know immunizations were invented by Europeans you don't know Indian and Chinese doctors were already doing serious research on Small Pox. You don't know but that doesn't change the fact that lives in 3 continents were disrupted to create a hub for colonial powers to get their raw materials and cheap/unpaid labor from.
@@ABhattacharya Apt reply.
Very interesting 😍😍
Gopal's knowledge and interpretation of colonial history is impressive. However, although we learn from the past the question is about how things move forward. The British did not invent colonialism or slavery. I think that today we should recognise the evils of slavery but not be obsessing about who profited from the slavery of centuries ago. I'm sure Gopal will have noticed that the UK is about 90% white. So-called white privilege is nothing more than is to be expected given that the dominant culture is white British. I can't believe she asked the question "How do you diversify the Royal family?" Race relations in the UK have been progressing well for several decades. The current appetite for woke naval gazing will if anything take things backwards.
Wow! I am actually part of the panel. It was interesting. Met some great people.
Yeah, I bet you met some real smoothbrains.
How did you get to be part of the panel? I’ve been trying to attend one of these..
@@tuhumwirer I was invited by a private group, it was a 1 off thing.
@belovedaam2343 You mean part of the audience.
I think the whole issue with how people like Gopal speak, using racial terms like 'white' instead of what she usually means which is the majority. she understands that because she talks about her privileges as an upper cast women in India.
the colour of skin in the contexts she talks about is just happenstance. racialising everything is antagonistic and divisive. there is a way to talk about what was reality for immigrant populations without always reaching out to race to explain it. obviously sometimes race is relevant but I find when she and others in similar positions speak they are implicitly accusatory in their speech with phrases like white privilege. then they wonder why 'whites' are so defensive. being accused of something due to your colour, something you cannot change, is riling for anyone.
we all need to remember that the vast majority of peoples of any colour were the victims of the elites during all times in history.
I don't know her, but my read of her is she is very angry about the past and how it bleeds into the present and it gives her some satisfaction emotionally to antagonise 'whites'.
Gopol's ancestors were likely responsible for far more suffering than the average white person in the UK (who descend from the working and indentured classes in the main) given her caste.
most Indians during the colonial era were merely swapping one ruler for another (her ancestors being in the ruling class - and working with the British). little changed for many and for most nothing at all changed as the British colonial pattern was to work through existing leaders (as George highlighted), leaving them to exploit 'their' people as they always had.
most people in the uk had terrible lives during the colonial hay days. and think about what life was like for those such as the 'white' Irish.
we need honesty about the past and how it reflects on the present but all too often it descends into white bashing that merely puts up walls and causes more division. modern psychology teaches us that shaming people does not bring them on your side. in fact it's how you create enemies.
When referring to white privilege, it isn't talking to you as an individual but the systemic differences that being white or "other" that are in place. It is a common misconception to personalise the term but it absolutely does not talk to you personally. I would suggest further insight into Priyamvada's very vocal views on the impact caste issues and Hindutva mentality, arguably more vocal and vociferous than any of the topics you've referred to
@@hamodha I repeat; racialising everything is antagonistic and divisive
there is zero reason to racialise inequalities except to cause division and reap some emotional satisfaction which is what I believe she is doing.
she is in a group of one of the most privileged human beings in human history. and she is a racist.
Ms. Gopal, you and your compatriots, have long been brought to the international court. In India you currently have caste slavery. You call yourself the highest caste, study, occupy leadership positions. Manage business and politics, while at the same time you have millions of people who you call the lowest caste. You do not allow them to study or occupy leadership positions. And this is only on the basis of katom. You are one of the representatives of the slave caste. When will you kneel before your compatriots ???
Gopal go in India! 😊
she seems so unaware that she is essentialy a colonizer... unless only whites are colonizers when they leave their homelands... maybe differnt rules apply for different peoples... or maybe they dont
We don't want her actually. She's virulently hinduphobic.
Why can't reparations be made?!
by whom to whom
Because it doesn't help the Left.
Very enlightening conversation.
Lost cause.
Ugandans were enslaving each other long before the British Empire got there. Ironically the British Empire actually abolished slavery in Uganda so I was surprised to hear that George is resentful that the British..... abolished.... slavery ? 🤔 what?
Rubbish.
And your comment is a justification for what exactly??
@@fritzdeuces go to the official government of Uganda website. There is a section Which explains the Kingdom role in slavery you degeneracy
francis z He’s not talking about google search. He’s talking about the Ugandan Government official website.
You’re in plain denial. The Ugandan government concedes that slavery was practised in pre-colonial Uganda and yet here you are trying to contradict them because you don’t like the truth. Lol.
@@fritzdeuces You've now resorted to trying to change the topic of discussion by bringing up things that are entirely irrelevant, because you know you've been soundly defeated and shown up to be ignorant. See how that works?
I also find it interesting how we’re focusing so much on the Atlantic slave trade which existed for a fraction of the time African, South American and Middle-Eastern slave trades existed.... 🤔 is it perhaps that the people on the stage have a strong underlying hatred of the British and white people?
Yes, slavery was awful. But I don’t see why we are focusing so much on the Atlantic slave trade which was practiced for a fraction of the time everyone else was practicing slavery for. Moreover, the British were some of the first people in the world to abolish slavery. Africans were enslaving people way longer than the British ever did. For example, Ethiopia legally had 3.5 million slaves in 1934 (100+ years after the British abolished it)
J S Pretty much, yeah. That’s why I was genuinely confused as to how George resented Britain because of slavery. Then I realised that all his assertions have no basis in fact. 🤷🏻♂️
The trans-Atlantic slave trade has had a much more significant impact (and disproportionately so) on the shaping of the modern globalised world. The underdevelopment caused by empire creates the global inequality we see now.
Yes slave trades existed all over the world before the Atlantic slave trade but for the relevance to the modern world, they are comparatively dwarfed by the genocidal accrument of wealth that allows countries like the UK to be global leaders (a tiny tiny island)
Also to speak hypothetically about what would have happened if not for the British is a madness. Britain would be infinitely poorer and we do not know what other empires or civilisations would have died out or come in to existence during that time in Africa or elsewhere.
It's also lastly a bit of a myth that Britain stopped slavery, the empire collapsed under it's own weight in many ways and actual slave rebellions had a very key part to play
Jerry Amo The British slave trade ended in 1833 while the British Empire was still growing and set to continue to grow until it reached its peak just under 100 years later in 1925. The British Empire then started to disband after WW2.
So how did slave revolts, that must have happened before 1833, have a key role in the disbanding of the British Empire over 150 years later despite having an another 100 years of growth ahead?
Ewarton Charlton I can play the whataboutism game with you too. I bring up slavery perpetrated by black Africans which happened way before and way after the Atlantic slave trade and you instantly deflect and want to only concentrate on the Atlantic slave trade. You want whites to take responsibility for slavery but refuse any idea for black people taking responsibility too? Smells like a double standard to me. Therefore you lose all credibility
Indians always loved the empire.
They never faced the racism blacks or even a Pakistani muslim goes through.
Most indians will tell you there is no racism in Europe cuz lets be honest,they barely even go out.
When a racist right wing party wants to look not racist,they use indians to do their argument.
how come they dont go out? saving money or?
We can send you reparations, but they will be coming at a very high velocity.....we will try and aim well but do your best to catch them.
uk empire had a few good results but common indians in general hated the british empire and i do not blame them
Loved the Empire? Presumptuous.
It also led to some people of some races having opportunities that they would never have had if it hadn't happened. There are two sides to it. She wouldn't be here and neither would he and neither would have had the education that they have had.
And the Caribbean and Brazil would not be owned by Blacks.
@@sabinecohen8369 Brazil is owned by descendants of Portuguese in the main. the Caribbean granted would be South Americans probably.
Marxist
By the way, by using the internet (a Western invention, based on centuries of research and discovery, partly financed by colonial profits) you also benefit from slavery right now.
One could see colonialism as a loan the rest of the planet was forced to give to Europe, that is now being repaid in technology, trade and organizing principles.
Interesting claim. Any evidence, papers, scientific articles that support this? Want to know more :)
Idiotic, blinkered and racist?
@@Edge81 Can you please explain to me what's stupid/racist about saying that the enlightenment, global trade and the industrial revolution were made possible by colonial profits? And that those developments ended up improving the lives of most people on this planet?
@@falkjanen5050 You are essentially saying that slavery and colonialism was okay because without it there would have been no advance in civilisation and science.
@@Edge81 Sorry, but you misinterpreted me. I didn't make a moral statement but just described causes and effects. But I do think it's ironic that the Europeans took the millennia old concepts of imperialism and slavery to such an extreme that they made them redundant. Thereby unwillingly creating a world that most colonialists and slave owners would consider totally disgusting. ;-)
Megan isn’t the first Moor to enrich and strengthen the royal families of Europe.
Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz Empire was the wife of King George III.
All that "enriching" and "strengthening" didn't last long, did it?
LOL Meghan got booted out
Neither of the two are "moors", Mecklenburg-Strelitz was not an empire and Charlotte was 100% white.
Good one
Our government represents the majority - that is democracy.
Promoting the victim mindset as usual, you can also appreciate being in an open developed world now, people are still slaves to stupidity in todays world
And you are not immoral. Death is just around the corner like any other mortal humans made of flash and bones . Better look at your words which are indicative of black hole of ignorance.
J S hindus were colonizers themselves. Hindu temples did not exist until Hindu leaders attacked the rising Buddhist religion and their temples in order to built temples over them... the real indigenous people of the indian subcontinent are the Dalits which Hindu supremacists briefly brush over. Just how white people colonized North America and became a majority is how aryan colonizers spread Hinduism in the subcontinent and built a system which benefits Hindus. This woman Priya takes accountability of her privilege as a higher cast Hindu in India but sadly not many would even dare talk about the Dalits.
Why are people like you so scared of history?
@Ewarton Charlton there is no instutionalized racism now, in today's world crying about past and being miserable because you are from another place is plain stupid. This is the best, fair, unbiased time to live in then ever before.
@Ewarton Charlton it ended when Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King inspired by Gandhi did something about it
Why doesnt' the UK government pay black families 100K per family but they have to leave UK and return to Africa? Reparations paid and done with... and replace the loss of people with east asians.
Why on Earth would the UK give blacks reparations? Africa owes Western Europeans reparations for 800 years of enslavement of Western Europe by the African Moors.
how about just stop replacing with any group from another corner of the planet