Is God of War's Thor the WORST THOR?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2021
- Ah, God of War. That mad, 15 year long epic of blood, sweat, magic, and Greek gods being murdered by a gravel voiced madman with a birthmark.
Now they're aiming at the Norse gods, and the internet has gone mad. Thor is fat, Angerbođe is black, and Tyr has too many hands.
But is this really such a bad version of the god of thunder? Or have Santa Monica studios actually done something amazing by making Thor not look like Chris Hemsworth? He may not be Marvel's Thor, but there's a lot to look at here!
Join me as we unpack male idealised bodies, Greek athletes, and why Thor IS a redhead.
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Well, this video has done pretty well in the last few weeks, and everyone was asking me to do a follow-up or response video on Angrboda, so here's the follow-up video on the slightly controversial interpretation of Angrboda in God of War: Ragnarok!
Be nice. Please? 'kay.
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8:47 somebody who eats a crapload of protein shakes who has a very very controlled diet to make their body look this way.
your wrong this is normal this how an athletic person look like. you dont need protein shakes or a controlled diet. ( i did it myself your just lazy .so you call them unnatural to feel good ).
this is just simple biology when you use a muscle a lot . your body start to improve that muscle.THOR shouldn't be fat he is a god. being fat is not normal . fat accumulate inside your body
( Dangers of Visceral Fat
Too much of any body fat is bad for your health. But compared to the fat that lies just underneath your skin (subcutaneous fat), the visceral kind is more likely to raise your risk for serious medical issues. Heart disease, Alzheimer’s, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and high cholesterol )
( your muscles generate heat. Before this research, it was believed brown fat in the human body was solely responsible for heat generation.)
look at pictures of hunter gatherers. they always workout by the act of hunting. and low body fat because of the running
Well it is accurate to the source material
@@unconcernedbeast9190 no.
Now imagine this Thor in the story where he dresses up like Freya to get his hammer back.
Oh, yes! Pleeese!😁
Back in the 1980s there was a Danish comic about Valhalla, and Thor dressed up as Freya was just as you'd imagine it; big, bearded ginger man in a frock!
Yeah, how the hel is this guy supposed to fit in his mother's dress?
@@MrHodoAstartes In the mythology Freya's not his mother. The earth herself is (Yes, Odin slept with the earth). This Thor could definitely fit into that dress no problem. But fitting into Freya's dress, who knows? Maybe magic or something. Loki was there, I'm sure he had some ideas to make it work.
Don't know, they say fat chicks try te hardest...
I have no issue with his clothing because I'm a huge fan of finally giving male character impractical skimpy outfits.
....... That has been a thing forever... Shao Khan anyone? Voldo, Asteroth in Soul Caliber? Hell, even God of war clothes is skimpy and dumb looking. Almost every barbarian faction in Wow. The difference in no one markets games by plastering skimp dressed males on the cover. He man, Conan.
They missed out on giving him boobs armor! ;-)
Then you haven't read enough
Are you willfully ignorant or something?
Actually, I see it as quite practical for Thor. Seeing as his skin is tougher than Asgards walls
Now imagine this guy in a bridal gown, devouring whole animals and drinking casks of mead, and Thrymr still believing it's Freya.
Maybe Thrymr was just really into big women and that's how he thought Freya would look like.
...and that is why it is my favourite story from the Edda.
Loki possibly casted illusion magic on him so he would look like Freya.
@@WLH3eLiTe in at least one of the versions i read (I own 5 different versions of the Edda, different translations of both "originals") Thor speaks to Loki, demanding of him that he goes to Thrymr disguised as Freya, but Loki is pretty straightforward to him: Thor was dumb enough to lose his hammer, therefore he has to go himself to get it back. But Loki also gives advice how to do this and helps with the dress-up (since Loki is - actually - rather a nice guy in the stories). So what you are saying is kind of already in the story.
How did Loki keep a straight face?
People who are surprised haven't paid attention. There were two massive clues in the first game hinting at Thor's appearance: Magni and Modi his sons. They were both tall and barrel chested so obviously their da wasn't gonna be chiseled and thin. Men shaped like him are tough sumbitches. I did a lot of martial art and my sparring partner has the same physiology. It's like hitting a wall and he can just absorb blows, wait me out and strike once lol. Gladiators, the best ones anyway, were shaped like that too. They were fed barley to fatten them up so they can bleed, give a good show and not die. Because no it wasn't to the death all the time like in the movies, these guys were rock stars. I understand that Thor not wearing a shirt might bother some people but to me, it's a power move. To show that the elements don't bother him and he's above that. It reminds me of the classic "oh you think THIS is cold?" Power play in my country. For sure the rest of his pauldrons is a bit busy tho.
Although most of them were shiftless
Nord blood: +50 resistance to cold
Mimir (smartest man alive btw) literally called him a fat dobber, what were they expecting…
@@rynegreen7902 Thank you! I forgot to include that. You fight these boys twice, you encounter modi trice AND Mimir calls them fat. It's not some hidden easter egg, it was crystal clear all along.
@@TearfulMoon like, for Kratos I understand why he's covering himself, he's Greek and stuck in Ragnarok' winter. I'd bet that Thor wouldn't last very long in the heat of Greece if the roles were reversed.
As a Scandinavian I've seen many Norse mythology references in a lot of media.
And this Thor is the best design I've ever seen. Heck, even Mjölnir is just perfect.
True
Even my auntie living in Norway says that this is the best looking Thor
She says that the Marvel Thor doesn't feel wild & viking-ish more like a superhero
@@TheHumanDescensionist Right. Thor is a force of nature, he's supposed to be wild. Not crammed into a box of unrealistic societal expectations...
@@JariDawnchild well the MCU Thor is supposed to be seen as a hero rather than a Godlike viking
GoW thor is actually a pinnacle of POWER similar to strongman athelete
Hammer is still way too big even though the shape is on point. It seems people can't get past Marvel's Thunderbrick.
"It's due in part to the 19th century"
*Shakes fist* Damn you once again, Victorians!
It's ALWAYS the Victorians!
Yes! This really needs a "Victorians Ruin Everything" tag.
Victorian beauty standards were based around malnutrition, disease, and general ill health. I still don't get why the ones who had access to better healthcare and nutrition thought feeling like shit was sexy. The ones who couldn't help it, I get that...
@@JariDawnchild Same today as then. Most of our unrealistic standards are still founded in malnutrition, disease, and general ill health, aka anorexia, bulimia, and other eating disorders, "heroin chic," diet pill addiction, unhealthily low body fat levels to get visible abs and veins, the dangerous levels of dehydration required to get that super-cut shrink-wrapped-musculature, look, etc.
Just cause he eats alot and drink alot doesn't mean his fatgods dobt work like humans
My favourite part of this "twitter discussion" is that the ReAl GaMErs are angry because there are A LOT of people being thirsty for this Thor.
I am crushing on him pretty seriously.
@@camillastacey4674 he will keep you warm and has ✨Himbo King Vibes✨
@@courtneywalsh9780 so warm.
@@courtneywalsh9780 hes sexy as Hel but if the first game is anything to go off of but this man is NOT a himbo.
This man would crush you against his forhead like a bearcan and laugh at your pancaked body
It's me, I am a lot of people
This Thor actually looks a lot like my mother's close childhood friends from northern Sweden. They're very jovial, friendly and peaceful (one's a teacher, the other a professional storyteller and guide) but I would always feel as if I had two giant bodyguards if I was out walking with both of them.
I want to hang out with these guys now
Being someone who grew up with nordic mythology as part of my culture I mostly ignored the Thor part of the Marvel universe even though I loved the X-men and other things. Exactly because everything was wrong. No one had a beard, everyone looked like a body builder, thor was blonde. Loki was Thor's step brother even though in the sagas Loki is Odins blood brother and has no relation with Thor other than them going on adventures together a lot because they are the two most fun archetypes to go on adventures of the gods (warrior and trickster). Everyone had horns or wings on their helmets even though there is no archeological or written references to any of that.
When I saw people getting upset with Idris Elba being cast as Heimdal back in the first of the Thor movies I was feeling like "oh so this is where you draw the line of shitting on nordic culture? When you can be a racist about it. Thanks but no thanks". Now we have a game that actually makes a depiction of Thor that looks a lot more like what I imagined growing up and people are butthurt about it? Give me a break...
Great comment! People today focus on the wrong things. They watch a fictional movie about incorrectly portrayed myths bit freak out about skin color. SMH.
I felt this whole comment while reading it... Good thoughts. Excellent critique. Thanks for sharing.
Heimdal DID bother me, but the whole thing bothered me, so not racist motivated. Now that I've detached the Marvel universe entirely from actual Norse mythology (they're just making shit up and using the names), I LOVE Idris as Heimdal, and honestly can't think of any actor that could pull it off better as a non-Norse mythology fictional character.❤👍
@@MichaelBerthelsen That was where I started as well. I just did it back in the eighties when I first started reading Marvel comics.
I'm a huge Thor fan and a Nordic history buff. It's pretty funny sometimes just how inaccurate Marvel's depiction of Norse culture is, but it has a weird charm to it, surreal sci-fantasy oddities that came from a sincere love but misguided approach. Tyr being a cyborg planet-conqueror with a hook-for-a-hand, Vikings using maces into battle, Viking colonies existing until 1985 in Antarctica, etc. Not to mention the frog Vikings, bishonen elves, Easter Island head alien invaders and evil construction workers with weapons of the gods. The whole mythos is so unabashedly _weird_ and I love it.
As Danes my brother and I were literally yelling back and forth at each other about how great he looks. Finally a Thor who looks like the god! I have so much fun with the new GoW games because the use of our mythology is both so wacky and reasonably well-researched. Can't wait for your perspective on their Angrboda, I enjoy her, but she's definitely different from the myths!
Angrboda hasnt really a role in mythology beside being named as the mother of Loki's apocalyptic children. She's an jotunn, not a norwegian women therefor could be black.
Or am i wrong and you, as a dane have more knowledge?
@@vlad_47 No, you're right. There's some discussion of whether she might be one of the witches mentioned in other stories, but primarily she's known as the jotun mother of Loki's monster children and as living in an 'iron forest' full of wolves. You could argue about whether making a character known for birthing apocalyptic monsters black is a good idea, but since GoWs Angrboda probably isn't going to share that identity (since Jormundgandr already exists before Loki could be the father) I see no issues with her being black. My biggest issue is with their Baldr, because he is neither sweet nor pretty in GoW lol.
@@thevampirelover It's taking place during the fimbulwinter right? So Baldr who represents the summer wouldn't look so great 🤷🏼♀️
@@esben181 well I was thinking of GoW 4 - he's in there looking like a mess and behaving worse, lol. Not much god of justice there - and as much as there is a god of summer in norse mythology at all I think that would be Frey rather than Baldr.
@@thevampirelover GoW takes its own spin on things so that its unique. Especially needed with the norse narrative, since following strictly to the source material would make everything predictable due to the fate of everyone being known.
“At one point he drinks a quarter of the sea for a bet”
Yo Thor, do you think you can help us out with these rising sea levels???
Frankly, the global warming wasn’t an issue back when we were making sacrifices to him, and he is the god of weather, so maybe…
@@eazy8579 so should we kill off all the Karen's and sacrifice them?
Personally, I really like this Thor. Even putting accuracy aside, he looks like a real strong man (like someone who competes in strongman competitions) Also, it is established in God of War that Thor is a drunk and a fighter, but even without that, I think it makes him more intimidating. Especially with the cloak on because he just becomes even larger which would look great against Kratos.
He does not look like a strong man. Strong men don't have potbellies, they just aren't focused on getting ripped.
Also, his 2018 look was better as he was big, but not fat.
@@tylersmith3139 he was fully cloaked in 2018. You couldn’t see his stomach
@@literally.kratos1968 Yes, but they're was no bulge to suggest a potbelly. There's no way you could hide a potbelly that big in a cloak. His design is alright, but they should lessen his pouch. It doesn't make sense that his stomach should be that big. No one was expecting him to be ripped, we already saw the 2018 teaser, people just expected him to be big, but not fat.
@@tylersmith3139 i mean its just one picture now. It could just be the illustrators take or whatever
Look. I want him to wear a tunic PURELY because chafing. Maille, pauldrons or whatever armor he chooses, chafing is a real thing and Thor is smarter than that. I knew a guy who wore a maille shirt and learned this the hard way when he took it off and got his chest hair stuck. :P
Since this is a fantasy game and I know from my brother who wears a tank top and shorts even in the snow, big guys are furnaces... I'm down with this shirtless Thor.
Ouch!!!!
ouch.
Larper experience can tell you: if you run around in basically any type of (even very light) armor with no shirt you will be pinched, sweaty, and probably covered in shedded bits of your armor
@@l.m.2404 He's also a norse God. I don't have too big an issue with the lack of shirt. It's what he is wearing, not what he isn't, that's the main wrongness.
I actually like how this chonky Thor looks like, he looks like a someone who drinks alot and looks like he would kick your ass on a drunken rage.
Prediction was great 😂
Really glad to hear someone talk about male body idealization, I don't think it gets discussed enough.
Very much!
It should be discussed more often. The male "ideal" is just as sexist as the female one. The sad part is both ideals are unhealthy, but more personally I find them unappealing lol.
@@JariDawnchild Nothing un healthy about taking care of your body.
@@maxdrags3115 it's unhealthy to see it as "if it's not this good it's unhealthy". This is common
They prefer men fat or chubby
I guess Mimir was right in the game for calling Thor a “fat dobber.”
I've been waiting for someone else to mention this. He is literally called fat in the last game. How people are even surprised let alone offended is beyond me.
@@eschaton Because apparently everyone thinks that Thor should look like Chris Hemsworth it seems.
Personally, I love it. I'll chalk the nakedness off as "he's a god he can do what he wants" for the delight of having him look like an actual sturdy strong dude, and I haven't played these games but now I REALLY want to see how they'll animate him. His fighting, his movements. If they go the whole way and don't make him slow and awkward I will be in love.
Anyway people need to watch more of world's strongest man competitions and the like. Look at the guys pulling actual trucks by a rope. MCU thor has a cute face but come on.
And also Kratos is naked most of the time lol, same goes for Baldr in the last game
Something I found interesting about the last game, without giving away too much, is that it's not...entirely charitable towards the Norse gods. It's an interesting perspective.
God of war does good on animating characters in ways that show off the martial might of the characters. Kratos and Baldur (Who was so much shorter than Kratos in the game) locked hands in contest of strength, and literally split the land in two by trying to overpower each other. Baldur constantly zips around the battlefield and blitzes you like a God of Light should. I have faith.
@@matthewjayjack8143 Considering Kratos has a bone to pick with gods in general and is the games' protagonist, that doesn't surprise me. I think it was done on purpose from a story/lore perspective. No creature (god, man, or other) is simple.
Yeah that was what I assumed, a guy who regularly slaughters and eats his goats and can resurrect them on a whim and drink an ocean might be a bit thicc even if he is a warrior.
Even more so when GOW has antagonistic gods, it kinda gives a chance to imagine them as less divine (sometimes its lazy like Hades just being satanic) like Baldur who is tortured by his invulnerability or the sons of Thor having to live up to their father and rivalling one another for the title.
God of war's Thor is the most accurate Thor when you read the norse myth.
There is even a book about spirits gods demons etc that describes him just like this the book is called encyclopedia of spirits by judika Iles
Not exactly in gow he is a drunk abusive father who is really messed up and rude in actual myth he was a good husband and protected humans from monsters but he did get mad easily.
@@angelaleman3352 I think Edrick means in terms of appearance. In terms of personality, everyone is changed up to fit the story/narrative of the GOW series.
The man in my profile pic is my late husband Calvin, Thorkel the Berserker in the SCA. He had red hair, a magnificent red bed beard and was a strong man. See? He has a tummy. New Thor needs body hair. Calvin was fuzzy. Works for me on many levels.
I am so tired of hairless men lol. My ex used to buzz cut his body hair to better show off his muscles and tattoos and I was not a fan. He had blond hair but everything below his eyelashes was red, he looked like a bear wearing a toupé. 🤣
that's what it was missing. Thank you for pointing it out. I know people with similar builds and the vast majority are hairy guys. He does look powerful though.
This Thor makes me happy. He could eat two oxen and drink a cauldron of beer!
Forget the cauldron, he could drink enough from the world seas in one or two swallows to cause a significant ebb.
Solid vid man. We're pretty much of the same mind on this. I didn't go into the clothes in my vid because i figured you would and you'd know waaay more than me on the subject, so I went for more the perspective on the deity himself. You bring up a good point about the typical diet of the period. And I totally agree that he should be wearing more.
We might quibble on helmet though. I wouldn't mind a helmet, but the two main points against a helmet are 1. seeing the character's facial expressions and eyes for emotional value in the game, and 2. not wearing a helmet has historically denoted courage. Though maybe it also denotes stupidity.
But yeah, love the vid. Also love that our vids are coming at it from different perspectives but with similar opinions.
Glad you enjoyed it mate, that's a great compliment! Nice to see other approaches anfld see people come at reviewing it from different angles for sure.
Yeah, I don't mind obscuring the features for a little. We can always get a nice reveal in a cutscene, and most professionals have always worn helmets in combat, but I totally get what you mean.
@@TheWelshViking Agreed. Even ceremonial armor includes helmets. They look cool. And agreed about the reveal. But in a lot of movies you'll see things like cavalry charges with the guy at the front not wearing a helmet because the filmmakers wanna see emotion during the charge, etc etc. It's not practical, but hey, movie magic.
@@OceanKeltoi YOU THERE! Special Effects Person! Make that Movie Stars Helmet phase to transparent so we can see his expression! I SAID - Make us see behind the metal! DO EET!
Now, Mr Capes, about this being a Shot Putter not a Hammer Thrower thing...
And this is, of course, the point at which we realise that this is a Video Game and that there is a Modder community out there who, I am dead certain are, waiting with baited breath to be instructed upon The Ways of Correct Viking Kit so they can fix Thor's little wardrobe problem, phasing the spectacle of the Helm to transparent as required. They might even be able to resist giving Side Knot hairdos to everyone, with enough pointy sharp things oriented in their direction.
Tbf, Thor isn’t exactly the Smartest of the gods, so I could see him deciding not to wear one, but I do like the idea of him wearing a helmet
Honestly, I'm just thrilled he's a redhead as he should be.
In defence of Endgame Thor, that portrayal really helped me mentally when he got mjolnir. Yes there were a few too many jokes. But, because of it, I’m happier and healthier.
One of my friend's has depression and she loved fat Thor
Definitely felt to me like "I'm in this picture and... you know what, I like it." It would have been awful if he'd suddenly become ripped in the finale, but that his size didn't matter was really fulfilling.
Also all the characters are friends that always crack jokes at each other all the time its pretty much no different than iron man joking about cap saying "language"
@@CollinMcLean i do think fat thor is just to see how the snap affected all the different avengers in their own way (tony and his family, bruce and hulk and thor). I cant quite comment on the jokes targeted at his weight
As a large man, it's nice to be represented by one of my favorite Deities.
I don't know anything about these games tbh but i love this design, and i love that he looks like a weightlifter
This.
His whole thing is that he he lifts a super-heavy hammer like it's nothing.
How could he not be a lifter?
He looks likes a strongman, lumberjack, hard-drinker with the power to crush your face with his grip.
@@TheDarkstar3601 or a flat sob but keep trying
@@kingofsixpaths8463 You have been brainwashed by the look of bodybuilders in magazines and movies. Real strongmen are fat. Bodybuilders who compete in Mr Olympia dehydrate their body with diuretics to achieve those looks. They arent that strong.
@@GeekRaj First of all diuretics is a pharmaceutical drug that is given to people who are high blood pressure patients it's helps their bladder build up more urine so their body can release salt from the blood stream that is to high and dangerous to keep. Second of all i don't remember the last time I've even peeked up a magazine with buff men in it so I'm not brainwashed by nothing. Thirdly i wasn't even talking about body builders everybody knows the way they gain muscle mass so fast is because of steroids and growth hormones their not natural at all and strong men are just men who eats a lot of food intake to get fatter and wider every body knows fat people are automatically strong dehydration is not going to help you lose weight it only kills you slowly you work out by going to the gym and eating fruits and vegetables learn to do proper research you clown 🤡
The character looks good. The football-pad armor, not so much. I'm with you, though. He needs a helmet.
I think if they lose the shoulder pads it would show the muscularity of his shoulders, displaying his strength to those that missed it because of the belly.
I know this for a fact because I have the same body type and if I cross my arms for photos I just look all muscle across my upper body.
Fun fact: Kratos' "new" voice actor (the "Boy." one) is Christopher Judge.
Friends (and fans) call him Teal'c.
I KNOW AND I LOVE IT SO MUCH
@@TheWelshViking I grew up with that show! Loved it to bits
Damn I loved that show and he was my favorite character. ❤
*Tosses her drinking horn* More thicc Norse gods! Let him be tunic-less, I mean if he wants. It does get pretty hot when one is fighting trolls.
is that a picture of him just before his mam told him she didnt care if he was a grown man, he wasnt allowed out unless he put his tunic on?
it is a nice surprise that the character design actually looks like the mental image I've always had of Thor, basically Geoff Capes with ginger hair :)
It is. Absolutely.
My thought was more Hafthor Bjornson or Tom Stoltman in terms of build.
I am a grown ass god!
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, editing Jimmy. And screw the fat jokes.
Also, I really love the receipts (aka, strongest man alive today has a belly, and so what)
Further edit: fingers crossed for a smooth last push on PhD stuff (and family/home stuff). We'll be here when you come back.
Yes, seconding all of this!! Very fantastic video!
i guess i'm kind of surprised that, with all the availability of videos and livestreams of actual stongman events, that the "bodybuilder=strongman" aesthetic is still hanging on so tightly.
For all of its inaccuracies, it'll still be a cool cosplay for bigger guys (a seriously under served part of the cosplay community), though I agree about him getting a bit more body coverage.
I’ve seen a really kickass cosplay of him (I believe thw guy was Himbo Husbando or something)
This is a thor who wouldnt be out of place on a Saturday night in december in Newcastle...
Strongman Thor IS real and he definitely WILL hurt you! Ace to see him represented as a typical Strongman build, plus people seem to forget he is in fact half giant
I like the way he looks. If you look up the strongmen, you'll find that they look kind of fat. In reality they are massive, with massive amounts of muscle underneath. The fat layer gives them such strength because it makes your muscles bigger. Put a strongman next to a shredded gym guy and the 'fat' strongman will win every time.
Edit: You pretty much explained everything I typed here. Good stuff
Strongman don't look fat, they don't have potbellies like this fat Thor does, they're just big due to how much muscle they have. They also don't get super-ripped as to not loose muscle.
Strongmen can be pretty diverse. The record holder in amount of World's Strongest Man wins, Mariusz Pudzianowski, was absolutely ripped. The most famous one (due to GoT), Hafthor Björnsson, had visible abs even when he weighed 205 kg. Some strongmen are fat but most don't have big bellys, they just carry a good amount of fat since that makes it easier to maintain high muscle mass.
@Tyler Smith there is an image in this very video that proves you wrong
@@tylersmith3139 I bet you havent seen Mark henry.
so now being mythologically accurate is bad because this one guy doesn't like that he looks like a typical strongman? As shown in this video?
"Oh no I'm going to be unreasonably upset because the god I idolized isn't a tall blonde, blue eyed, manly muscular, perfect aryan male specimen."
That makes me think if you consider the kinds of people who appropriate old norse culture.
As incorrect as a blonde Thor is, an obese one is just silly. Sure got a lot of attention, I guess.
@@whiskycortomaltes That strongest man on earth is using resources that would be unavailable to ancient or even medieval people. He eats more food than almost anyone could back then. I get the motivation and I know the series is basically fantasy, but it seems more like a "clever" creative decision rather than a good one.
Tbh thor was depicted as muscular long before marvel and in actual norse mythology he is never described beside the red hair and beard
I love this design :) The lack of clothing is a nice nod to the nonsense female characters have had to put up with over the years. HE doesn't need to keep warm, he's a god :)
Actually that's such a great point!
Yes!
He can keep me warm any time! 😀
@@wendynordstrom3487 my thoughts exactly 🤫
@@TheWelshViking Plus why the shirt when he's got a ton of natural insulation.
Costuming aside, this Thor looks fantastic! My family is from Norway, and my great uncle would tell me stories about Thor when I was a kid. This is always how I pictured him! Just a huge, strong dude who could eat, drink, and fight like no one else. Perfect!
As a former strongman competitor myself, this is always how I pictured Thor (but with a tunic). Back in the day when they first announced that Chris Hemsworth was going to play Thor, most of the guys I knew and competed against were quite cross that they decided to more or less use a guy that belongs on the set of bay watch instead of someone more representative of what we thought Thor looked like.
My initial reaction to the character design was, "Whu-huh??" but your argument makes complete sense. I can totally see how a Viking-era Norse person might've looked at a build like that as an indication of prosperity and power. He was a god with an appetite who could feed it as he wished. Yeah, a tunic or a mail shirt would be nice, though. You know what other thing people of power and prosperity usually have? Shirts.
Consider: for most of the series, Kratos has refused to put on a shirt.
Well he was shown also to be wearing proper clothes too. My guess is this is his 'battle ready' state.
I love the Game’s design of Thor, best Thor and in my opinion the hottest
In my humble opinion.....yes. This Thor really looks like a menace, Thor from the MCU is a cool and fun character and all but this Thor looks like a beast. Like the tipe of nonsense story where the guy wrestles a bear for fun or just to prove he can.
❤❤
This Thor could rip marvel Thor in half with one hand, and I love it; he’s and absolute bear of a god, definitely the best version of Thor
I really love this depiction of Thor, definitely looks like an angry god who eats a lot, drinks a lot, and fights a lot, and his Mjolnir looks amazing. And he’s ginger! I’ve seen another image of this Thor and in that he is wearing a tunic, cloak, and hood which looked good. I’ve also seen this image edited to have chest hair which I quite liked, although I can see why it’s not on the official design. Seeing him in a spectacle helm and mail shirt would be so cool!
Good luck with the PhD, and I hope everything goes well, take all the time you need.
We hosted the World's Strongest Man competition where I work at the California State Railroad Museum. The guys all looked like this version of Thor. Hecka sexy! I like this version and agree with you about the clothing. Thanks for another great video! Feel better soon, Jimmy! Toot toot! 🚂🚂
So, in other words, "its them bloody Victorians again" ??!?
damn, so we have a case of white people white washing other white people's culture.
The Gods are literally the villains in the God of war games. I don't know why people are upset that a villain doesn't fit a stereotypical heroic image. It's just really, really strange that's what some people's take is- I very much doubt most of the people complaining have played any of the games, or if they have, then I suspect that they're being professionally outraged for clicks.
Regardless of the outrage over this character design... I feel like this comment also opens a good discussion to have, like i love this design so much but it's also worth asking why are the villains allowed to be fat and non stereotypically "pretty/attractive" but the heroes must be these chiselled Greek sculpture-esque dudes like... excuse me i want a good guy with this body type... heck i want a leading lady this buff too
Imo its realistic enough. He looks less like a prince and looks like hes been through some shit. Hes also fat as fuck because vikings love to eat.
@@emb3863 and he still looks someone you wouldnt wanna fuck with him.
@@jacobburch7555 Damn right, this God of Thunder looks SCARY!
It's all about the human condition mate, we don't like change ( many of us ). The cinematic Thor is an idealization, it's the Roman/Greek idealization of the body, but in today's world, the media has sort of immortalized this idealization, and it's ingrained in our minds. Sadly most of the people who are genuinely outraged are people who probably have a feeling that people who are not skinny or ripped are inferior and not good-looking, it's a sad reality that our world has catered us to. So it's always good when games like these which are so beloved start to reverse this effect.
I love it personally, yes the clothes are silly but you can really tell the developers put a lot of time and effort into what Thor should actually be like. Plus now I can say I have the body of a god 🤣😝
The body of a protector, provider, lover, and father. ❤ Regardless of which one or more of those you are, rock that shit lol.
Buddha is a god.
so true...me too🤣
That is not a God that is just a charachter from some video game .
@@urospavlovic7189 in your little bubble of the world, sure
This is how I see Thor. Well, in better clothes. But as an Icelander that grew up with the stories of Thor and comic books (not Marvel but a Danish one called Valhalla or Goðheimar in Icelandic) this is more my Thor than the annoying MU one
I would love to hear your take on Baldur from the 2018 God of War since he was big depature from the "fair and beautiful" Baldur from the Norse mythos.
You know, I might make this a bit of a series looking at single characters in a bit of depth...
@@TheWelshViking Do it! You absolutely should, it would be great. I love this version of Thor, he looks so much more realistic. I have never visualized Thor as having anything thing but red hair and I agree, he should ditch the 'shoulder pads' and wear a nice blue tunic with Viking style trim around the neck and sleeves - and maybe around the hem too (?). His belt should be worn over his tunic not underneath it. Being a God I would think he really doesn't need much armor. I have never cared much for Marvel at all, they are shallow and unrealistic in their views and ideas. Excellent video.
I like the game's Thor, can't go wrong with a ginger. He seems much more intimidating than Hemsworth.
Much as Hemsworth is pretty, this depiction of Thor is far closer to beautiful than his.
Chris's Thor isn't meant to be intimidating.
Fat Thor is best Thor.
Who wielded his Axe and Hammer
I love editing Jimmy and his little ted talk on actual human body shapes. You rock! And again I've learned so much in just 17 minutes😁 thanks!
I don't play role-play games: but: at least this is a bit gender equality in the Boob Window trope?
~big naked tummy time~ absolutely killed me. Love the Thor design and love seeing your thoughts on this stuff!
I love this video. It helps me rethink "fat" and "strong," in new more healthy ways. Thanks so much for this. And I like this new rendition of Thor.
8:47 somebody who eats a crapload of protein shakes who has a very very controlled diet to make their body look this way.
your wrong this is normal this how an athletic person look like. you dont need protein shakes or a controlled diet. ( i did it myself your just lazy .so you call them unnatural to feel good ).
this is just simple biology when you use a muscle a lot . your body start to improve that muscle.THOR shouldn't be fat he is a god. being fat is not normal . fat accumulate inside your body
( Dangers of Visceral Fat
Too much of any body fat is bad for your health. But compared to the fat that lies just underneath your skin (subcutaneous fat), the visceral kind is more likely to raise your risk for serious medical issues. Heart disease, Alzheimer’s, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and high cholesterol )
( your muscles generate heat. Before this research, it was believed brown fat in the human body was solely responsible for heat generation.)
look at pictures of hunter gatherers. they always workout by the act of hunting. and low body fat because of the running
Love the design, first thing I thought was "YES, FINALLY". As for the "costume" is100% agrreable that the clothes given in this picture really focus on the body shape and the overall look, and, as you say, in the end this is a God of War game, and we all know the clothing style, which may not be accurate, but for the enviroment of the actual game is cool enough to let it pass.
"I'm a big bulky man with a tummy... Do you want to have a go?"
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You just summed up my life in two sentences
I agree with everything you said about Thor btw
Bigger men are actually more physically powerful! If you look at that the wolds strongest man competition are all big men. Also American football linemen are all massive! Like you said. I started writing this for before you said that.
But they're not fat, they don't potbellies like this Thor does. They're just not ripped.
@@tylersmith3139 they're fat or chubby
Interesting vid 🤔 - if you look at individual’s with high-levels of functional strength - farmers , construction workers etc. - rarely do they look like Chris H. Good job 👍
I am in total agreement with you, Viking Bushcraft. My brother moved my grandmother's piano for me after she passed away. By himself. With a dolly. Up 3 flights of stairs to my then apartment. This new Thor reminds me of him minus the beard. :D
When you look at different athletes it's obvious the strength and the body tape differ very much according to "need". Highjumpers, long distance runners, 100m runners, javelers, gymnasts... Highly visible muscles aren't really a thing in any sport. If you are super lean, you'll have the strength but not the energy or endurance. And super big muscles can make you slow and kinda clumsy.
I used to work construction in my teens, and you nailed it; they tend to have big arms, stocky builds, and a big ok’ gut, and they almost never get tired, and are usually carrying my weight in gear and material
All the best with putting the PhD to bed, and levelling up to Dr Jimmy. That way, when you go to parties, and people say, "Oh, you are a doctor? I've got this lower back pain; what do you recommend?", you'll be able to say, "Well, based on research carried out in the South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology; I suggest you try getting a tattoo applied to the affected area."
This version of Thor does look great. I love the wild and woolly and, frankly, bonkers, tone to some of the Eddas.
I will 100% pull this kind of nonsense.
@@TheWelshViking ❤️
🙏🏻🥰💕
Interesting thing I noticed with the recent games: foreign gods have to bundle up. Native gods are shirtless or in short sleeves like the cold is no big deal. I wonder if it's something they did for contract.
Hey i rly loved that section where you talked about the idealization of bodies and such, so ty for making that! ur content is always very informative and i can see that you always make sure to be as polite as possible when adressing literally *any* topic. so Cheers! love u and ur content bro :D
Honestly, I'm way more attracted to Dad bod redhead Thor than Chris Hemsworth. Always keep in mind that just because a certain body shape is considered "ideal" doesn't mean it's what everybody is into. Different people like all different shapes of people
What's the sexual orientation called when you're attracted to a person if they're a healthy shape for their diet and lifestyle? That's me lol.
Girls like fat men because he doesn't intimidate them
Does that mean we'll need to call you Dr. Jimmy now?! Take as much time as you need, you got this! We're pulling for you!
Finally!! Looking good and well done Editing Jimmy - some sterling points there too!
Big naked tummy time! Pmsl. Seriously I need a loop video of Jimmy saying saying big naked tummy time to watch whenever I'm feeling sad.
*gets on it immediately*
@@TheWelshViking Yay!
Love love love it. As someone in the acting industry, there’s loads of pressure to look certain ways. I’ve been sent a photo of a casting for an “average” body type where it was a girl in a bikini who had visible abs which is incredibly unrealistic. As someone who pays attention to diet and works out every day, the effort to look like what Hollywood now considers “strong” or “fit” is insane and unrealistic. Glad to also see they went back to red haired Thor!
What the industry is looking for is unrealistic and self-destructive not only for the folks in the industry but for the rest of us who watch it. Keep yourself healthy and happy and your beauty will shine like the sun. ❤
I see this sort of thing when it comes to a lot of game art and looking up 3D model references as well, especially as someone who wants to get into the industry. I had to completely do a character turnaround by hand for my project for class because so many characters are the 'lean and fit' sort to what you describe. Even if they don't have abs! It's really disheartening to know the entertainment industry in general is like this.
in awe at the size of this lad
Absolute unit
This Thor is more true to the original. In a time when starvation was normal someone with a large belly was seen as someone strong and wealthy.
A good provider and protector.
I like the design. It's cool to see a powerful, mythological figure as something other than a bodybuilder (as you said). This narrow view of what's beautiful/ideal is harmful to so many people and I like when creators say "No. My Thor is going to have a belly cause he drinks BEER. A LOT!"
Good luck with your PHD stuff, I'll miss the longer videos for a time but it's completely understandable so nose to the grindstone Jimmy and all that jazz.
Thank you so much for this!
Great video as usual! Good luck with the final push for your PhD !!! Fans from Belgium
Random editing jimmy and his lil glasses = top fave jimmy
Just for sheer practicality it makes sense that Santa Monica Studios would want a radically different look for their Thor, its a very clear indication from them of "We Are Not Marvel!" But what I've noticed is a lot of the same people getting mad about GOW Thor being "fat" were also the ones that were clutching their pearls about Loki being bisexual in the television series. "Its a left agenda being pushed on the story!" No Phil its just developers reading the mythology sources.
Hear, hear!
THIS!!!
Well, with so much "diversity and inclusion" actually being forced into story's these days, can you really blame people (especially people who dont know much about ancient mythology besides Marvel) for jumping to this conclusion? Just kinda proves that all the race and gender swapping coming out of Hollywood lately, has actually done more harm than good for minoritys and representation.
@@highlyopinionated5611 Considering not knowing much about the mythology is very easily solved by a quick google search or watching a Welsh Viking video; it’s not like Norse mythology is a big secret, it makes jumping to conclusions about non-ripped Thor or bisexual Loki (he had sex with a horse in the mythology!) worthy of a bit of an aggravated sigh.
@@jodieg6318 Yes, they could Google it. But most people won't instantly make the connection and think "Hey, perhaps the Thor that I'm familiar with through Marvel and Victorian Depictions is historically inaccurate." Most people cannot even phantom that people in different parts of the world with different cultures, in a different time, had radically different worldviews. Heck, lots of average Americans probably don't even know that Thor is a figure from ancient Norse mythology. The only Thor they know is Marvel's modern beauty-standart conforming Thor and Marvel's Loki was never Bisexual in the comics (wich are supposed to be child friendly, so you can bet your ass of that he never f***ked a horse in the comics, either.) Most people won't even think about a deeper background, they just go off what they are familiar with. As a saying of my people goes; "The farmer won't eat what he doesn't know."
just let me have my big beefy ginger thor :(
Once again - not at all an area where I have any expertise, but your content is always so interesting and clear/easy for even a novice like myself to become engaged. I always learn something new from your content.
I like it. I'm glad that you made this video and am looking forward to seeing what you think about the other character designs. Thank you! Take care friend!
Wow, as a black man from Africa, I am surprised to see a good looking white man suffering from depression, I guess people can be different but similar.. relatable
Pretty super homo sapiens sapiens from all over can have the same mental illnesses :)
I just can't when it comes to this trend of calling people with strongman build "fat". This thing with Thor here is giving me flashbacks to people complaining about Boba Fett being fat when he showed up in Mandalorian.
I’m glad you did you research thank you!
4:01 nice Lindybeige hommage with the music introducing Editing Jimmy there!
Bugger! Thought I was being original and fun.
Hah yes the contestants for the world's strongest man do NOT look like Chris Hemsworth!!
The closest was probably Jón Páll Sigmarsson but Geoff Capes & Magnús Ver Magnússon definitely look nothing like Chris Hemsworth.
First impression: So much better than 'pretty boy Thor'. I had some of the Valhalla comics as a kid, and so my Thor has always been a fat ginger bloke with anger issues. The GoW one could use a bit more body hair, but I can forgive that.
I can't unsee how much he needs body hair!
@@spinecho609 Yeah, if they were going for the polar bear look his arms and legs need to be twice as big and his needs to be covered is red body hair. I'm a red head, red heads grow hair everywhere. This thor looks like he shaves his chest and stomach, which would be weird for running around shirtless in Norway.
could we get more shots like the one of editor jimmy, it looks so pwetty & i love it
Thank you so very much for bringing this up!!! Very accurate!
Just what I needed after a long day. Watching/listening to Jimmy talking about something nerdy and some real info. Really glad to see a different Thor, one that fits a more Norse description. Also a plus having someone talk about the Male form. Ladies and gents out there as long as you are healthy and happy then you doing good! It's your body!
My thoughts:
I like the basics of this look. Red-headed, bearded, biker-body.
The things I think they should change:
1/ wash the hair and give it some style. The sources talk about how his hair was beautiful not how his hair was a messy rat's nest.
2/ He's outside in a damp cold. He should have a shirt/tunic.
3/ I agree that it would be silly to give him a Mjollnir pendent. But he should be wearing jewelry to show wealth and status.
4/ Give him the iron based gloves that go with the belt.
5/ The fringes look... messy. As does the jumble of things on his arms. I think he should have a cleaner sillouette.
6/ He's a storm god. Give his clothing a sky palette; greys and blues.
Nice video, educated as usual and great hair cut btw love it
When I saw the character designs come out I hoped you'd do a video on them. I'm thrilled that it's going to be a series for each of them. (Also sounds like you're fighting a cold? If so I send virtual tea for comfort.)
But how does this Thor look in a wedding dress?
A proper Viking wedding dress? Probably just fine, men and women wore much the same style of clothing in the Viking age..
Although he'd probably still need someone to cover up for the amount he eats and drinks, and the fire of rage in his eyes.
Contact lenses and exterior flat house paint. lol
For this video you have my endless love and devotion. Thank you.
If people think that they're going to fix it like Sonic the Hedgehog it's highly doubtful
This was the Thor I actually wanted when I got into Marvel comics. I think he looks pretty badass! He reminds me of some of the bikers and metalheads I've met, both in body type and aesthetic.
Honestly, its refreshing. It makes it stand apart from other mythologies that have been done and will do.
I like it! I'm glad you talked about body building and the unrealistic expectation for male bodies!
You said the phrase "big strong man" and now I've got that song stuck in my head 🤣 Could be worse, though!
I for one ADORE this design for Thor. What quibbles I do have are pretty much just the clothing/armor, which the video has (as always) nailed; and tattoos/accessories, but what else do we expect from a AAA game title? So yeah, as a Heathen, I am THRILLED to see a pop culture Thor who is actually based on the closest thing we have to source material, and aligns Really Dang Close with my own personal mental image for The Strongest Of The Gods. AND HE'S NOT BLOND!!! HUZZAH!!
But for real, getting a Thor who is red-headed, beefy, AND fat? Love! This! For! Him! (Because yes, a character can be fat AND strong af. Characters should also be allowed to just, y'know, be fat. Because real people are shaped like that too.)
And thank you so much, Jimmy, for articulating why I can't stand the MCU's attempt at fat Thor. It really was just grossly offensive, and extremely tone-deaf towards the character's arc as well as members of the audience who might identify with it.
Good video, I would say that in the last game, Mimir says a few times during his stories that Thor has become fat. I got the impression from the story they’re telling, that this version of Thor hasn’t suited up for battle in a long time so his old armour doesn’t fit. Like Robert Baratheon at the beginning of Game of Thrones “The Kings too fat for his armour”
So whilst the thick stomach it’s reminiscent of a power lifter like Eddie Hall maybe Thor is also a little out of shape compared to his younger days and he’s been dragged into the fight by Kratos killing his sons
Mimir called him fat multiple times too in the game
This representation of Thor is the literal definition of meeting a strongman who says "Do you even lift" and it has an actual threatening aura