The Lakers Feel Like a Mess With Van Lathan Jr. | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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  • The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Van Lathan Jr. to discuss why it feels like nobody wants to play for the Lakers and nepotism with Bronny James.
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  • @rillaaa5740
    @rillaaa5740 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +193

    You paid a 40 Year old the max drafted his son and hired an ex-player he podcasts with as the head coach who's really running the organization it's ridiculous

    • @Mar-t6n
      @Mar-t6n 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dude you haven’t even seen it in action 😂

    • @marcusgarvey6231
      @marcusgarvey6231 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      These aren’t the baseball decisions of a serious contender. This is marketing and merchandising that will profit J Buss millions (billion?) and R Paul of course.

    • @stefanoviczeljkors
      @stefanoviczeljkors 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@marcusgarvey6231
      NBA is a business. Lakers are not a non-profit organization. Most of the owners are content making a lot of money every year without competing for the title.

    • @shane1899
      @shane1899 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@Mar-t6n funny i didn't need to see bron + westbrook to play to know that wouldn't work either

    • @jamesmiller5331
      @jamesmiller5331 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      And they threw in the Dan Hurley thing at the end to make it look like LeBron isn't running the whole thing lmaooo

  • @alexvoron5295
    @alexvoron5295 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +172

    Thank you Van Lathan Jr. for clearly articulating this fellow Lakers fan thoughts.

    • @CheepsAhoy69
      @CheepsAhoy69 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds kinda entitled tbh, like relying on the history and the glamor of the lakers to build your team for you instead of just making smart and controlled basketball decisions. When he brought up the Celtics payroll how are they able to pay all these players makes no sense, they traded for all the pieces surrounding two stars they drafted and made a well constructed team. Trading for em gets their bird rights so they can go over the cap as much as they want to retain em

    • @thenightowls2804
      @thenightowls2804 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The new salary cap rules will actually make the Celtics hard to keep together​@@CheepsAhoy69

  • @codyjackson8884
    @codyjackson8884 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    "I've never been a fan of stepping over somebody who's scrapping for it because of who your pops is, and I'm not gonna start now." I loved that.

  • @melvinwright4184
    @melvinwright4184 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +356

    Players will never say it out loud, but they saw what happened with Westbrook when he became a Laker and decided that they want no part in this circus. They don't wanna sign up to be a scapegoat

    • @dparks2856
      @dparks2856 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      Westbrook played like trash and after he left

    • @KK-pm7ud
      @KK-pm7ud 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      That's probably the first thing the Mavs told Klay when they saw him

    • @dreamcage1801
      @dreamcage1801 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      I wouldn’t want to either. No one wants to deal with the bullshit all together. Period!

    • @lukemcnabb_1
      @lukemcnabb_1 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      Don’t forget the Frank Vogel situation too, no coach or player wants to deal with this organisation

    • @swampduck2609
      @swampduck2609 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      Playing with Bron is more trouble than it’s worth

  • @mgzig8
    @mgzig8 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +160

    That unintentional smile was hilarious

    • @gabdex83
      @gabdex83 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      So genuine couldn't hide it

    • @cuegordon1178
      @cuegordon1178 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Priceless!!!!! He hate the Lakers badly 🤣😂

  • @kw0017
    @kw0017 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    The thing i don't understand is Bronny has had every advantage his whole life to have the best of everything to learn and train to make the NBA.... and he isn't better than so many young men who haven't had as much assistance.
    So how does that mean he has all this untaped potential?
    Not like when he gets to the NBA, the training, coaching, diet all that stuff is going to help him go to the next level like it will other guys who are already better than him.

    • @thebyrd220
      @thebyrd220 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You’re correct and it’s them who are trying to gaslight us all lol

    • @TheChrisf95
      @TheChrisf95 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Solid point. Truth is: he’s not that good. I have a friend that goes to Stanford and watched him play in person against them last December I think, and he said he was getting cooked-by some nerds basically 😂

    • @marcusgarvey6231
      @marcusgarvey6231 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The circus act will be Crypto games only and bronny will check in for 30-60-90 seconds with Daddy on the floor to make history and sell jerseys-t shirts

    • @vlada
      @vlada 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Shaq, MJ, Pippens sons too. It's very rare that legendary players sons (in many sports) can ever get out the legend shadow. At least those three never put a target on their kids back.
      Wade's son was playing pickup with pro players when he was a teen,...

    • @MrOctober44
      @MrOctober44 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mostly just not having the talent. As Tim Hardaway explained about his son, the sons can never be as hungry or have the drive because they grew up rich.

  • @davidvillela7476
    @davidvillela7476 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Real lakers fans can't stand anymore of this circus

    • @Earl_E_Burd
      @Earl_E_Burd 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      New stadium in Inglewood if real lakers fans wanted to make a statement

    • @aricrudd6579
      @aricrudd6579 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Be real, most “real” Lakers fans are just Kobe fans. Did any of you even care when the Lakers were completely irrelevant in the years between Kobe and LeBron?

    • @davidvillela7476
      @davidvillela7476 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aricrudd6579 im here since 1990 só just chill bronsexual

    • @christianpaul-cp6746
      @christianpaul-cp6746 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@aricrudd6579to us real Laker fans they’re always relevant.

  • @murilogabrielli6369
    @murilogabrielli6369 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    There are two reasons why he entered the draft this year. First, there were no absolute guarantees that LBJ would be around next year to anchor him. Second, and most important. Next year's class is just more loaded, there would be more competition.

    • @je5406
      @je5406 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Third. The more he plays the greater chance he gets exposed. Last season Bronny's team was able to point to the medical issue as a reason for his meager 4.8ppg.

    • @Earl_E_Burd
      @Earl_E_Burd 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      They gonna handle him with kiddie gloves and use his heart as an excuse out of the league when he isn't able to perform, and now he is signed to a 3-4 year contract.

    • @Christian-eq6pq
      @Christian-eq6pq 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@je5406 BINGO! This was the answer we were looking for!

    • @hwinoree2257
      @hwinoree2257 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You make a fair point, but the criticism is not aimed at Bronny being drafted. The criticism is the narrative that he earned it, that he deserved it.

    • @murilogabrielli6369
      @murilogabrielli6369 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I know that. But towards the end of the videos they ask themselves why did Bronny not opt to stay one more year in college, where it would be easier to develop than in the NBA. This is what I was addressing.

  • @TrustTheProcess34
    @TrustTheProcess34 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +91

    Need more Van. Currently my favorite BS guest. Him + Russillo should do a weekly pod together

    • @KK-pm7ud
      @KK-pm7ud 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Definitely a BS guest

    • @mattc5647
      @mattc5647 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Nah, he tokeny. They bring him on to talk about rap. Why they talking about these boring immature rap beefs?

    • @HKim0072
      @HKim0072 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There are some really funny bits when Van and Russillo pod together in the past.

    • @schuylerkrizay6192
      @schuylerkrizay6192 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mattc5647 lol no one thinks that except you..,

  • @Bran-Da-Don
    @Bran-Da-Don 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    I think the original plan was for Bronny to go to USC and either ball out or have an above average season which would've made him a legitimate 1st round pick (in a weak draft) to a late 1st round team (a playoff team).
    LeBron would then join this playoff team as a way to play with his son but also sneak in a chance to win a ring without pissing off the Lakers fanbase and being called a traitor.
    The concensus would've been "He wanted to play with his son, we understand" and LeBron avoids the criticism.
    Fate intervened with Bronny's cardiac arrest and subsequent poor freshman season. It fucked up the plan and they had to pivot into this current strategy.
    Unfortunately there was no way to pull it off without it looking obvious.

  • @kennyshin5262
    @kennyshin5262 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    You try to speak up and tell Bronny to pick up his slack and you will never get a pass thrown your way ever again or traded away to the shadow realm.
    Players don’t want to get involved in a potentially toxic environment.

    • @alexlol3260
      @alexlol3260 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Bron has all his hooks in the Lakers franchise now lol, he got his bag again and his son drafted. and clearly Rich Paul has some say in their FO decisions aswell, what a mess

    • @JUSTSAYING-dg4hu
      @JUSTSAYING-dg4hu 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      These players are so self-motivated - Kobe had that city on his back, LeBron just likes the proximity to the limelight... Especially with LA being down so bad rn, they need something to lean on.

  • @makempay8710
    @makempay8710 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    What is so cool about seeing a father play with his son in a league that the son did not belong or earn his spot to be in said league

  • @scarletspider1240
    @scarletspider1240 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +172

    No one hates Brony for being drafted, they hate his dad for forcing it to happen.

    • @pcharl01
      @pcharl01 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I'm not a LeBron fan. I did hate him talking about it so much after regretting naming him Jr. To be real, I dislike the memos that Rich Paul has leaked out.

    • @streettoughfighting
      @streettoughfighting 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      That and now trying to lie and say he earned his eat there and absolutely deserves his contract. Like bro just own it cause we all saw what you’ve been doing and saying. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @gffsgcc
      @gffsgcc 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i feel like pelinka ultimately let it happen jeanie green lights lebron out in public with shoulder hugs. draymond has more of an emotional connection with the warriors front office that's why he's still there and klay is not.

    • @DJM3KS
      @DJM3KS 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Why does it bother people that aren’t Laker fans? Get a life seriously

    • @jasonhoppe781
      @jasonhoppe781 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Because it’s suppose to be about competition. They already talking about paying him a guaranteed contract. I’m a Laker fan and it’s sad to see. Like Lavar Ball did whatever he could to get his kids in the spotlight but they EARNED the draft spot!

  • @scarletspider1240
    @scarletspider1240 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    Players aren’t stupid…they’ve seen how this era of the Lakers has gone and they ain’t getting in the middle of that freakin circus. Not only do you have to be prepared to be blamed by LeFraud for the team failing…now there’s the added element of what’s gonna happen if you do or say the wrong thing to Bronny? No thanks.

  • @timothyfrederick9591
    @timothyfrederick9591 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Van mirrors my thoughts on the nepotism.Very well put.

  • @djj3357
    @djj3357 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    The Lakers are unserious!
    Appreciate your no-nonsense view. Our franchise is a gutter ball! 💜💛

    • @colonialstraits1069
      @colonialstraits1069 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It’s not just the Lakers. The NBA is fully on board and trying to find any gimmick that might get clicks. It’s an unserious league.

  • @Tsunami_Hawk
    @Tsunami_Hawk 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Bronny just added 6 years to some poor kids journey to the league

  • @ScrausScrauas
    @ScrausScrauas 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    The Lakers biggest problem is that the ownership has no comfort with stepping out from the franchise’s past and empowering a smart FO, not just Kobe’s Former Agent.
    1. The team overreacted to losing in the ‘21 first round after winning a title and being a great team until AD and then Bron both went down after an incredibly short offseason. Trading too many good players for Russ who just didn’t fit and was aging.
    2. Losing two postseasons of AD to injury is just a terrible break.
    3. Bron, while still being great (and unparalleled for his age) is no longer a top 10 player thru a season and playoffs. And in the past, role players always had to play under the weight of playing for Bron’s Legacy but that was offset because Bron was playing at a GOAT level before. Now those same role players still have to play under the Bron weight (and Laker weight) but Bron isn’t a GOAT anymore at 40, just “merely” a top 15-20 player atp.

    • @johamandcheese899
      @johamandcheese899 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yep. Jeannie needs to get a real GM/FO like Presti in OKC and empower them to make decisions and stop this "family run" business BS that also involve the Rambis shadow GM decisions in the background. Just be a owner Jeannie and let real compentent people run the basketball part of the business.

  • @scottbignell
    @scottbignell 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Nice to hear someone calling out nepotism.

    • @EdeDizon
      @EdeDizon 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You mean like Thanasis and Giannis in Milwaukee?

    • @cyberpunk6441
      @cyberpunk6441 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@EdeDizon False equivalence, Giannis didn't force Milwaukee to draft his brother in his second season. He was drafted by NY and develop in the euro league for a few years and avg 16.7 pts and 7 RB. Yes Thanasis sucks but he still put up good numbers to justify signing him.

    • @Earl_E_Burd
      @Earl_E_Burd 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Also Thanasis has the size and strength of a professional athlete. If you gonna be Bronny-sized you better have elite skills.

    • @EdeDizon
      @EdeDizon 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @cyberpunk6441 and what exactly is Thanasis doing in the league now other than being a cheerleader?

    • @cyberpunk6441
      @cyberpunk6441 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@EdeDizon Just because someone doesn't get playing time doesn't make them qualified to be in the league. Every team in the league has players that don't get playing time. Second point just because some one underperformed at the professional level doesn't mean it's ok for someone underperforming at the college level to get a guaranteed contract.

  • @dansweeney2789
    @dansweeney2789 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The Buss ownership thinks they deserved the Laker ownership and they are all aboard for others doing the same thing.

  • @richardspidel3100
    @richardspidel3100 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Players don't want to play with the circus that is Lebron and the Lakers.

  • @Sethsters
    @Sethsters 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I commend Hurley for resisting the temptation and making the smart decision to avoid this ticking time-bomb of a franchise. Much better opportunities will come around if he just waits. Hell, San Antonio may be looking for a coach in the next few years and who wouldn’t want that job?

  • @2WheelsGood
    @2WheelsGood 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Well said Van. I ain't rooting for the rich kid that jumped spots because of their dad. No ill will, just not something i'll be actively doing.

  • @jesses5465
    @jesses5465 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    In a few years from now this era of the Lakers will be looked on upon as a weird reality show.

  • @nuggz720
    @nuggz720 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    He says he's taking less money but none of those people were coming to LA so he's a winner winner

  • @andyh4518
    @andyh4518 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    I wonder how Nephew Kyle feels about Van's thoughts on nepotism.

    • @folkdude01
      @folkdude01 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Or Cousin Sal.

  • @ChrisSmoovefan
    @ChrisSmoovefan 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Van should've brought up nephew Kyle and Bill's daughter having a podcast on the Ringer, see what his reaction was lmao

  • @Toneloc1818
    @Toneloc1818 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    Jeanie is a horrible owner / Governor of the lakers.

    • @scarletspider1240
      @scarletspider1240 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Just say owner…there’s nothing wrong with it.

    • @KK-pm7ud
      @KK-pm7ud 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      She's a good owner. Shut up.

    • @jackharrington697
      @jackharrington697 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@KK-pm7ud 😂😂😂😂 She is a worse then Jim Buss

    • @kw0017
      @kw0017 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@@KK-pm7ud she's one of the worst owners in professional sports

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jackharrington697 my dog is a better Governor prospect for the Lakers than Jim Buss...

  • @TenaciousAC
    @TenaciousAC 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Since the Lakers got LeBron, they’ve only existed for his needs and his needs alone. The good will marketing of ‘Join The Lakers’/‘Play With LeBron’ just isn’t there right now, and might actually be a broader career detriment after the experience.
    It would be interesting to do a snapshot of every player and coach who came & went AFTER LeBron arrived and see if their value was thrown through the floor after being cast aside by LeBron and Lakers Management.
    Did people join the Lakers to be elevated (by association) only to have their value destroyed on the way out ?

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's every Lebron team. He is a narcissist.

  • @ajbianchi85
    @ajbianchi85 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    The Lakers and Lebron deserve each other

  • @Earl_E_Burd
    @Earl_E_Burd 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Wish I could articulate my thoughts as well as Van Lathan Jr. does

  • @samestuffdifferentday5712
    @samestuffdifferentday5712 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Van you summed it up. I wish the best for the kid and everything but I’m just not a fan of how it was handled .

  • @Michael-tc1dm
    @Michael-tc1dm 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Once lebron retires, stars will flock to the lakers. Players dont want to play with lebron.

  • @markmittens
    @markmittens 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Jordan's kids for example work with Jordan brand, makes perfect sense, he did not force his kids into being professional basketball players. Nepotism is rampant everywhere but this is another level.

  • @jamesmay9955
    @jamesmay9955 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    No One wants to play with Lebron and be part of the circus..

    • @edgardoMurnia
      @edgardoMurnia 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      such a circus and yet everyone gets paid... EVERYONE
      Hachimura. Reaves. Vanderbilt. Caruso. KPC. Kuzma. I can go on and on. Lol.

    • @marcodraven9778
      @marcodraven9778 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And be the fall guy too.

    • @edgardoMurnia
      @edgardoMurnia 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@marcodraven9778 Yeah, because usually teams blame their superstars... Like for example. The Celtics just traded Tatum after his terrible 2022 Finals.
      Moronx shouldn't be allowed to speak

    • @tdup191
      @tdup191 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@edgardoMurnia lol your king never gets the blame for losing from the media, his teammates do and end up on trading block every 6 months even tho he is the common denominator

    • @edgardoMurnia
      @edgardoMurnia 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tdup191 So you mean that the Chicago Buills should've traded Jordan through the 80's when they were losing all the time?
      Your are a great basketball mind.
      And yes, he does gets blamed all the time by the media... and also he gets defended all the time.
      That doesn't mean a team would trade him as they wouldn't trade AD.
      BEcause that would be stupid. For you, normal, but for normal people, stupid

  • @streettoughfighting
    @streettoughfighting 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    The only thing I hate about the nepobronny pick is that they now trying to lie and say he earned it and did it all on his own, like seriously y’all gonna try to gaslight America? Lebron trying to pull a trump and lie his way past the obvious truth. 🤣

  • @user-gg2lq5jo2s
    @user-gg2lq5jo2s 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    That last statement summed it all up

  • @connorphillips8116
    @connorphillips8116 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Anyone who said its the 55th pick it doesn't matter has to completely change their tune now. Its one thing to draft him when really his talent doesn't place him viably in that conversation, but he isn't on a two year deal or two way. They guaranteed 4 years for 7 million. Thats completely unheard of full stop.
    I really don't mean to throw shade on Bronny. He is a kid trying to navigate a dream in an immense shadow. Im sure thats a complex reality and I have empathy for that. But from a franchise POV, Klutch and Lebrons stature this is an embarrassment with fingerprints of a pattern of delusions. For me this really does affect LBJ's stature if only as a demonstration of maybe his biggest flaw. Obsessively dictating terms and decisions to his own detriment. Consistent questionable talent around him has often been from his own doing.

    • @nabetse1999
      @nabetse1999 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It’s not unheard of and it’s the freaking league minimum. Who cares

    • @EdeDizon
      @EdeDizon 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Also why is this a big deal when Thanasis taking up a real roster spot in Milwuakee when they're struggling.

    • @tdup191
      @tdup191 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@EdeDizon Thanasis wasn't drafted by the Bucks and it was after Giannis 1st season so he wasn't drafted as a ploy to recruit Giannis either. If Bronny was drafted by another team and signed to play with Bron years down the line this wouldn't be a big deal but in this current situation Bronny is only in the league because his dad wants to add the narrative of him playing with his son to his flawed resume 😂

    • @Christo_Trismegistus
      @Christo_Trismegistus 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanasis played professionally in Greece and got drafted to the Knicks when Giannis was in his 2nd year. And Milwaukee fans have criticized Giannis for years because of that. And the other brother got criticized for winning a ring with the Lakers too. But both of his brothers didn't get drafted to the bucks. Bronny got drafted to the Lakers to make LeBron happy

  • @beachrelax9702
    @beachrelax9702 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Love Van so much. Why don't we as Lakers fans ever get to talk about trading AD? It has seemed like the most obvious move for me for years now.

  • @jasonlevesque6340
    @jasonlevesque6340 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I love how Lakers fans just assume everyone wants to go there when they rarely sign any big name free agents.

    • @Earl_E_Burd
      @Earl_E_Burd 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They sign them - when they're already bringing fruit flies in the kitchen.

  • @johnfoley8502
    @johnfoley8502 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Van was spittin’ this whole podcast.

  • @ben.tanner
    @ben.tanner 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Having recently watched the Saving Private Ryan Rewatchables episode.... Bronny didn't "earn it"

  • @LiamborninDC
    @LiamborninDC 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I don't know after Kobe they drafted pretty well. They could have had a team with BI, Randle, Kuzma, Hart, Ball, and Caruso. But no championship.

    • @Christo_Trismegistus
      @Christo_Trismegistus 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That team could have won the bubble mickey mouse ring

  • @roycedot
    @roycedot 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    LeGM doesn’t know how to build a team. It’s not a blame thing. Like Bill said - bargain bin players- Prince, Reddish, Rui

  • @thebyrd220
    @thebyrd220 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Stop with the BS about how great it will be to see father and son play. It’s nothing like the Griffy situation lmao. Y’all are high or trying to gaslight us with that one - Bronny has only shown us that is going to ride the bench. It won’t be heartwarming and fun bc it’ll be a mess and the team will suck and prob (hopefully) LeBron will have some cope and seethe moments or even a few meltdowns on court bc Bronny is so trash.

  • @eliazerperez9240
    @eliazerperez9240 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Problem with the Lakers isn’t the roster, problem with the Lakers is Lebron and AD aren’t top 5 players anymore. In 2020 Lebron was the best player in the league and AD was probably 3 to 5. In 2024 they’re like the 12th and 14th best players in the league. That’s why they were a play in team despite AD and Bron playing basically a full season

  • @exitscreaming4637
    @exitscreaming4637 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    LeBron destroyed the team with his emotional/low-IQ demand they trade KCP, Caruso, etc. for Westbook. He's not an intelligent person. He might be an intelligent player, but that's a whole nother thing . Can't wait till he retires

    • @Cloud-ii7dg
      @Cloud-ii7dg 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      its baffling how moronic and arrogant this comment is. should’ve stayed a stain on the bedsheet

    • @andu1854
      @andu1854 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or maybe All time great players sometimes turn out to be bad GM’s or owners

    • @barakesmith-washington6946
      @barakesmith-washington6946 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Unhinged hate 😭😭🫵 praying for you

    • @manassharma7074
      @manassharma7074 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He also greenlit the AD trade, but you won’t give him any credit for that. But ofc when the Westbrook trade doesn’t work it’s all Lebrons fault

    • @dpistons149
      @dpistons149 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@manassharma7074I think most 2k players would have greenlit the AD move 😂. It was a no brainer.

  • @rhyshilders
    @rhyshilders 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I remember all the platitudes for Jeanie Buss being a great boss for the Lakers, but she’s been every bit as inept as her brother (the one she fired). How they accidentally won a title in the bubble is beyond me.

  • @DracoBigD
    @DracoBigD 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    That Bronny draft pick also rubbed me the wrong way. That’s nepotism at its worst.

    • @ChyeahWill
      @ChyeahWill 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Who should've gotten the pick then?

    • @kindofbluenyc
      @kindofbluenyc 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There have been far more egregious nepotism cases in America. Basketball is just entertainment. It's not that serious.

  • @g-cole
    @g-cole 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Van Look So much like Kanye 😂😂😂

  • @michaelmcphee2006
    @michaelmcphee2006 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Yes the Lakers are a mess. No one in their right mind would want to play or coach there. It's a mom and pop operation in an age of analytics and billionaires., and easily one of the 5 worst run teams in the league.

  • @jasonhoppe781
    @jasonhoppe781 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    All I want to know is how AD feels about this BS. Like he’s cool with wasting another 2 years of Basketball? He’s gotta play with Lebron his son and his coach. If I’m AD I’m hitting that eject button a month into the season! Trade me please

  • @pcharl01
    @pcharl01 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Bronny couldn't risk waiting though because of everyone saying this draft is weak and next year's is great.

  • @t-god2439
    @t-god2439 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    If time has shown us anything since they traded all those young guys to get AD. Can we really say the lakers drafted wrong? All those guys they drafted with the exception of kuzma. Turned out to be all stars or borderline

    • @williestyle35
      @williestyle35 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yep. The 76ers had a version of this after Embiid established himself and the "process" still had a good pile of draft picks. The 6ers kept drafting guys, hoping one or two would be a good piece, saw that player develop a little, then gave up on the young player for another pick or trade, "tried" again. Repeating similar steps, never sticking with any group of young players, getting less in return each repeat, then wondering why they had not really amassed a good "young core"...

    • @roycedot
      @roycedot 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lonzo Ball hasn’t played in two years and Larry Nance Jr has never been close to an All Star. He averaged 5.7ppg and 5 rebounds last year. Caruso was undrafted, Josh Hart wasnt drafted by the Lakers….you have no idea what you’re sputtering

    • @t-god2439
      @t-god2439 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@roycedot okay so I was off by one player which is Larry nace. I also said the players that the lakers drafted. So why are you bring up Josh heart? For lonzo there were no injury concerns around him if I recall correctly when he was drafted. Injuries happen but they also don’t so why are you bring up that he hasent played in nearly two years? He’s wasent injury prone when he was on the lakers. Who’s to say if he was never traded that he would have still gotten hurt? Also those injuries don’t take away from lonzo talent. He fixed his jump shot , was and hopefully still can be a lock down defender, always had crazy vision and was a floor general. How is that not a great pick? Especially when you have Julius Randle? Or Ingram he would have set them up all day

    • @Christo_Trismegistus
      @Christo_Trismegistus 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      LeBron has got rid of a lot of players that are better than most the current Lakers roster.

  • @kevinc8955
    @kevinc8955 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Reaves took a paycut to be a Laker and the Lakers used that to make him a better trade asset.

  • @TempeLane11552
    @TempeLane11552 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don't want to root for a team that isn't doing everything it can to win. Drafting Bronny is about getting attention and pacifying LeBron.

  • @awsomealex24
    @awsomealex24 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    by the end of this conversation, it was very much a "Kobe would never" difference in approach to basketball the sport you play at the highest lever. Kobe went down with his ship, LeBron has created holes while masquerading as giving the people the opportunity to plug the holes because a great player like him is worth plugging up a leaky boat for.

  • @henryhall298
    @henryhall298 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    last line of that hit real true

  • @thejonesbass
    @thejonesbass 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    to be fair, any other player that gave me 26/7/8 54% fg and 41% from 3 on just 18 shots, im saying take more shots... yes his defense is poor until it counts nowadays but ive seen teams build around worse defensive max players...his production says max player, its about as good as Kawhi was last year pre injury and no one says Kawhi isnt a max level player when healthy

  • @PureBleachFilms
    @PureBleachFilms 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    JJ won’t make it 3 seasons

    • @jackharrington697
      @jackharrington697 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He will get fired in 2 years

    • @marcodraven9778
      @marcodraven9778 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah fired in 2, paid for 2 more not coaching like Vogel & Ham. It's how Lakers like to throw away $$$.

  • @noblue72
    @noblue72 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The #1 thing for me is that by Lebron forcing the situation, but ensuring his son got into the league, it is robbed of any specialness a Father/Son team up could have had.

    • @kevinc8955
      @kevinc8955 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was a 2nd round pick, not that big a deal. What will make it a big deal is JJ being coach because JJ will ensure he gets play time which is why JJs there in the first place.
      The lakers will turn into Bronny’s basketball camp with Lebron as the head counselor.

    • @noblue72
      @noblue72 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kevinc8955 Lebron still forced it to happen. The magic isn't there. It is entirely manufacture and thus the awe of finally seeing a true father/son combo in the NBA is stolen from us

  • @becameabird
    @becameabird 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    If you loved lob city, u r gonna love: NEPOTISM MUNICIPALITY

  • @Gabagool93
    @Gabagool93 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    A felt hat in the summer time, that doesn’t fit, with a hoodie on, wearing it inside is certainly a choice

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They got the AC on.

  • @southbeachtalent
    @southbeachtalent 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love how in 2024 everyone involved in sports media is still afraid to say Jeanie Buss is a god awful owner

  • @davidstenner3136
    @davidstenner3136 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hes basically spot on, the lakers will go back to being inept

  • @lbo9134
    @lbo9134 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Black hoodie with the matching cowboy hat is spectacular.

  • @veronicamorton9096
    @veronicamorton9096 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ❤❤❤ it bill..im like that to when they talk about the SHEEP 🐑 and the LAKERETTS 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @RobertBalto
    @RobertBalto 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The guy is the cowboy hat does a brilliant job of describing the Lakers' situation, right up until the part about Bronny, where he seems kind of hesitant to speak his mind. Let me fill in the part that he's hesitant to say: he doesn't like the Bronny thing because it's MANUFACTURED. Just like other aspects of Lebron's career, where he was obsessed with trying to mirror Michael Jordan's career. This father/son thing is his new obsession...and as great as Lebron is, he is incapable of just letting things play out naturally and needs to try to control the narrative.

  • @Biz613
    @Biz613 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Two real housewives of LA are running the Lakers. Jeanie Buss and Linda Rambis 😂 no one is surprised at the incompetency.

    • @mymanuel187
      @mymanuel187 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And they are down to have a 3 some with the team star

  • @ThePenitentSquirrel
    @ThePenitentSquirrel 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Imagine telling some kid that grew up in the projects or war torn country that a player that their better than 'deserved' to get drafted and that wasn't nepotism. Now imagine telling Tyrese Haliburton that some rookie deserves half what you have had to bust your ass in incentives to earn in your career and its guaranteed. I'm not going to root against the kid, but I'm going to give him the time of day he deserves which is none.

  • @donaldumunawa4787
    @donaldumunawa4787 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Lakers are about winning championships, not about being a carnival.

  • @itscipher
    @itscipher 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i agree with both of them. if bronny got drafted under these circumstances, that means the option to go pro would always be there. it feels disingenuous for bronny to say he wants teams to look at him for his talent and not his name then have rich paul call teams telling them he wont show up to training camp if they pick him. should've stayed in college and have a year that makes it undeniable that he's ready. i think he does have the talent to be a good pro, but this situation feels forced. i hope the best for him though and im looking forward to the moment him and bron share the floor because thats just cool

  • @mrgabgutierrez
    @mrgabgutierrez 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    lebron did his part only taking 50 mil a year so they could afford more stars

  • @petergianakopoulos4926
    @petergianakopoulos4926 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    He's 6 "1 1/2 ...good luck

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He'd have to play like Pat Beverly.

    • @Christo_Trismegistus
      @Christo_Trismegistus 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But Bronny said he was 6'4" before the draft combine

  • @syedhassan2577
    @syedhassan2577 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'll be honest there are alot of bron fan mixed in with younger laker fans that make it a delusional fan base...gone are the days of dr buss who was about winning and buness...now it seems about business minus the winning

  • @Earl_E_Burd
    @Earl_E_Burd 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The 4-year deal - getting Bronny a contract so he can chip in for a tiny piece of the Vegas franchise and get some experience for his future role in the front office.

  • @MistaF
    @MistaF 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    as a Laker fan... Bronny vs Knecht... origin stories.. size. development. It's pretty glaring..

  • @samestuffdifferentday5712
    @samestuffdifferentday5712 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That’s why Klay Thompson said no thank you , I’ll go east to Texas I’m not getting involved in that lakers mess. Smart move

  • @1stKindChris
    @1stKindChris 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The last guy that wanted to be a laker was technically Dwight but realistically it was Shaq.

  • @florianwarnecke1995
    @florianwarnecke1995 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    they are right, the Lakers need defense. But LeBron basically stopped defending entirely after the bubble Championship. You cannot win anything with 4 defenders on the court

  • @nocuh
    @nocuh 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Lebron was like the Cal Ripken Jr of basketball, and now he also like the Cal Ripken of basketball 🫡

  • @felixalfaro3119
    @felixalfaro3119 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why we acting like Bron isn’t the only guy to want to go to laker in close to 15 years lol

  • @tjanderson5892
    @tjanderson5892 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was speaking it at the time. I wasn’t all in on Bron coming over bc I knew it was gonna blow up the young developing core for 1 maybe 2yrs of of Chip aspirations.
    We stomached the yrs we were trash collecting lottery picks knowing we’d have a young core to watch grow and develop. Then start adding auxiliary pieces around em like OKC/GS/ or even Boston. Knew signing Bron was gonna blow all that up and make the yrs we were garbage for picks seemingly be for nothing. Got a chip, but still feels a bit underwhelming

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Imagine Randle, Ingram, Lonzo, Dlo, KCP, Caruso, Hart, Zubac, Nance all on the team. That's a good team!

    • @tjanderson5892
      @tjanderson5892 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@shorewall ya and Kuz. Definitely a cool little squad that woulda been our squad. Home grown. We see where we stack up after a few yrs then look add a pieces or swap a starter or 2 for a star to play nx to BI and Randall. Who knows. We’d have been in a good spot. Young w/ assets instead of old w/ klutch players Bron wants that he can later blame when things go bad

  • @tombrokow8181
    @tombrokow8181 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Lebum and KD played with 17 All Star players.

  • @kf4778
    @kf4778 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Mavs won 3 more games than the Lakers in the regular season, and that's with Darvin not playing his best lineup for 20+ games. Settledown.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And then they got gentlemen swept by Denver in the first round.

    • @kf4778
      @kf4778 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@shorewall And the only difference was the Mavs got lucky playoff matchups or they would've been gentlemen swept too, like they were in the finals.

  • @lennybeason1110
    @lennybeason1110 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Lebron hasn’t built up the emotional equity that Kobe built with the fanbase. The fanbase doesn’t care about Lebron and Bronny if they’re not winning a championship. Lakers fans are getting tired of the circus and wants results. The fanbase will turn on Lebron because his yearly act is getting stale!

  • @mikediaz8200
    @mikediaz8200 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Glad lathan said it well about bronny thank you keep it real I have the same view

  • @williamphillips3035
    @williamphillips3035 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    In all honesty, I think Jenny Buss should sell the Lakers...she would get way above market value and be one of the richest women in America after the sale.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Man, Laker's could get like 10-15 Billion.

  • @PhoenixRising82672
    @PhoenixRising82672 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They don't want to be involved with the drama that comes with LeBron

  • @j.p.gonzalez9218
    @j.p.gonzalez9218 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    People from modest backgrounds hate nepotism ? Wow I’m shocked 😮

  • @Conzore
    @Conzore 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bars from Van

  • @masonjones3780
    @masonjones3780 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lesser version of Hebron but he’s still good. Really good! Spot on

  • @AdanBean
    @AdanBean 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “I’m watching guys not want to be Lakers. Since when was that a thing?”
    Idk…2014/2015? FAs not wanting to be Lakers goes back to Lamarcus Aldridge. Durant not taking an interview from them. The fact is that for all the complaints Lakers fans have of Bron, he gave them a gift by choosing to play there. He got AD there. Their Front Office ineptitude dates back to the last years of Kobe. They take care of aging stars but they’re not competent roster builders.

  • @rhyshilders
    @rhyshilders 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The top 50 players in the NCAA last season averaged 19+ points per game and many of them didn’t get drafted.
    You can’t tell me they all far more deserved to be drafted than Bronny.

  • @SynthTerror
    @SynthTerror 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cowboy Van from NOLA is a Lakers fan. That tracks.
    Why is the father/son thing cool? It's actually kinda lame. It was manufactured as fuck. If I were Bronny, I'd try to get as far away from my father's legacy as possible.

  • @steves9964
    @steves9964 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gotta admit, the Lakers are out-jetting the Jets. How dare they try and compete against the Jets' eternal desire to under any circumstances win the offseason?

  • @______9484
    @______9484 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    [2:39] Bill: "... they trade everything for Davis, and ever since it's been LA tryna figure out how to balance the roster..."
    Kinda skipped over the whole won-a-ring part, but besides that, guess it hasn't been perfect...

  • @stevenswayze
    @stevenswayze 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Lebron getting Bronny a job is like Brad Wesley from the movie roadhouse forcing the Double Deuce to employ his nephew behind the bar. Aint it enough the Lakers got to back a truck up to pay you? You gotta get 'your guys' paid too!? Oh well if it works it works I hope it does.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lebron doesn't care about winning. He craves power.

  • @seanogle4543
    @seanogle4543 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:50 I find this argument absolutely insane.... Of all the forms of nepotism, playing on a pro team is the least game-able, you literally have stats that will prove whether it worked or not. Whereas the example he used "Someone inherits a team- that's okay" completely indefensibly insane. The latter example is completely insulated from consequences where the former example (playing on a pro team) is instantly noticeable and fixable. If Bronny really sucks, it'll be known within a year or two, if a nepo baby that inherits a massive business sucks, they'll stay there forever and hurt thousands of people. Just so stupidly dumb

  • @fodetoure1576
    @fodetoure1576 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The lakers passed on brown and Tatum.