Do you ever get the feeling that you're watching one of the greatest fighters to ever lace em up when you're watching James "Lights Out" Toney? Well, you are and he is.
@@lashawnhunt6227 -- Your reply indicates that reading comprehension is a mystery to you. James Toney IS one of boxing's great fighters, and so is Floyd Mayweather.
@@tswrench your right i misread what you wrote. You did say one of the best, but I'm sure you understand what i meant mayweather is the best to ever do it to date.
Samuel's Interviews are the epitome of eloquence. Every word is been spoken with a thoughtfulness that leaves you just in awe. Especially the part where he is referring to the biblical Pharaoh is telling how huge his hunger for great literature has always been. A true intellectual you rarely find in our times.
JT a little older here and a little slower, but still won the fight.....And came from middle to heavyweight, and has never eva, been a push over.....Respect.
That and Peter punching down to the back of Tony's head constantly. Those are rabbit punches, I am amazed he took so many to the back of the head and stayed up.
Man. You could put Toney in any era, fighting middleweight to heavyweight and he would have been a pound for pound best no problems. Simply an All Time Great Fighter !! Sooooo relaxed in there. This version of Peter was a beast
Toney fired his ass up in the 2nd round. He landed at least 10 hard right hands straight on flinstone's big head. Toney was robbed; he outclassed the big dummy easily.
What a great fight! One of the best and under-appreciated fights around! Peters is a beast, and toney himself admitted that peters was one of the hardest punchers he faced. Still, toney will snipe you, but he ain’t fighting 170 pounders here. Toney has one of the best chins, ever, in boxing. And skill as well, not just a chin. JT really doesn’t get the credit he deserves as one of the best ever. Long time fan, use to watch JT back on USA boxing, tuesday night fights with Sean Ogrady. Had him to beat Roy but it wasn’t to be. Back to the fight, a great fight! Take care AB, we’ve been together for a long time as well. Always a good voice for boxing.
CrateofStolenDirt Ok troll lets see how you come back from this one then we can judge your intelligence further..... Butterbean = 416 pounds Valuev = 330 pounds Shannon Briggs = 261 pounds I could go on. Also not just the freaks have got bigger the average weight has increased too if you look at the stats
I'm not sure if you've noticed this but James Toney is not a middleweight. He is a fat heavyweight. James Toney is a bumb. And he got whooped in this fight. On what scale did you weight James Toney on that said he was a middleweight?
DrJekyl30 Toney, who started at 160lbs was an amazing fighter, period, watch the guy in his prime guy, unbelievable natural infighter .............for a former boxer, a true pleasure to watch, he did beat Ruiz for the HWC...............if you know what you are talking about you would of made a different comment................:), but, like a boxing novice you had to open the manhole in the center of your face. I would be more concerned with his speech after this fight, showing signs of being punch drunk, that being said, one of the best "natural" talents in his heyday..............too bad at the lighter weights he was not more diligent n his training
Toney won this fight for sure. Peter, if he had at least hurt Toney, then maybe. But, Toney’s ring generalship, SHARP punching, fighting as though in control, Toney won this!!!
This is why james toney is an all time great... he is not only one of the elite defensive fighters, but his chin is just as solid as his defense... Every time a big heavyweight has landed flush power right hands on toney (which rarely happens anyways) he has stood up to it and continue to fight on the inside... From holyfield (doesnt matter if you are washed up and old, you still keep power, which is the one thing no one loses with ageing), to sam peter (as seen here), to rydell booker, to hasim Rahman, and to dominic gun or watever his last name was... no one has been able to knock toney out and let alone down... ohhh, I forgot john Ruiz
Even when someone landed flush on Toney he would always put that little bit of a roll to defer the blow so it could never truly compound. Attribute that to him spending 90% of his time on the back foot.
@Rex that boy gloves touched the canvas. A knockdown is a knockdown. I love James Tony too but y'all don't see me making excuses 😂 Roy got him. Wish they had a rematch.
@@jrswhite7751 I been say this for the longest people say floyd perfected it no he didn't Toney slipped and rolled and countered floyd slips and runs loool
I just realized that in all the dozens of toneys fights I've seen, I have never seen him intentionally foul anyone (impressive that he didn't foul holyfield after being head butted ALL NIGHT LONG by him) and I have NEVER seen him complain to the ref about anything and lastly, I have seen him fouled throughout his career as with any boxer, but he never made a big deal of it, never put on a dramatic show, never sought out revenge on his opponent. I am 46 and I remember watching the Nunn fight, throughout that fight the commentators talked about how great Nunn was doing and made it seem as though Tony's win was pure luck. That was one of the first fights I had ever watched and accepted what the commentators said. 10-12 years later, knowing a thing or two about boxing that I didn't know a decade prior, I watched that fight again, and it was astonishing to see the subtle things James was doing that the professionals didn't see any of it or didn't want to. When watching Toney fight, you really need to be zoned in to notice that the punches aren't hitting him, it make look like they are but in the replay its easy to see that they aren't hitting him, James just moves as little as necessary when slipping bunches. And to make it more difficult to see those little things, he uses the shoulder roll, letting punches slide along his body, or the side of his face. The glove of the opponent.may be on James's body while he shrugs them off, but he is in no way absorbing those shots. James Toney and Ricardo ' finito' lopez, Mexico's greatest fighter of all time, he was perfect!
Absolutely insane that a natural middleweight like Toney could come up and handle punches from 260lb Sam Peter. Arguably the best chin in boxing history.
To be fair Toney was not a natural middleweight more like cruiserweight. He used to be 200lbs plus in highschool for football and would have to starve himself to keep down in weight
I think the judges were half blind..Toney's counters are sometimes very subtle and these buffoons weren't seeing a lot of them. Shame...James has been the victim of many decisions that SHOULD have gone his way..He is a legend and a treasure. I really would love to meet him and talk boxing some day.
Toney hit Sam so many more times. I know Sam had a couple power punches that shook toney but he never went down. Toney slipped so many of his punches. I think Toney won by 2-3 rounds.
You say that now, but if you meet Toney he will probably say “thanks bro for the compliment. Then proceed to punch you in the face, take your lunch money, and starter jacket
I once thought Peter won this fight but was i wrong! It took a while for me to notice the superb crunching counterpunching of Toney busting Peter in the face. And also his excellent body punching number he did on Peter. Peter hardly landed anything really significant in this fight. Toney was making him miss left and right. Samuel was landing but missing mostly. Great victory by Toney, unfortunately he didn't get the decision.
I think a big part of it was the PERCEPTION that one of Peter's punches was doing so much more damage than any of Toney's. It's probably a reasonably accurate perception, considering Peter was a proper real big heavyweight and James was a middleweight at one point, but Toney took the big man's shots so well that I thought the scoring of Peter's punches was a bit disproportionate. It's like one of Peter's right hands was worth five of Toney's, which doesnt seem very fair imo. James took those shots.
I scored this 115-112 for Toney. Gail Van Hoy is a genius. Toney is a supremely skilled fighter with a granite chin. He was always going to be in every, and winning, most every fight.
even old ballooned up toney still had decent lateral and head movement, hes one of those guys who was short and stocky like mike tyson etc.. so he had good power with those short arms and could take a punch very well for being a former middleweight.. very deadly under rated fighter,
Hes been Robbed because Hes to Gangster and Not what white people wanna see as a champion even though He deserves more credit then what he has Earned (Not Given)
5-4-3, James Tony. Several close rounds (*) and one with a point deduction (-). It came down to what you preferred: the crisp, hard shots by Tony, or the devastating power punches of Sam Peter. There were times Tony looked out of it, hanging onto the top rope to support himself, or staggering in the ring even, or being pushed back several feet by a right or jab of Peter. In the beginning, Tony was just popping Peter with crisp shots. I felt bad for the big fellow. Then Tony got rocked by a clubbing right (kept getting caught after throwing ill-advised left hooks). If Peter threw more shots, however, he could've won this fight outright since his power was on the verge of overwhelming Tony a few times throughout the fight. I don't blame anyone who gives the fight to either guy. It was that close. On a side note, what's terrible about this fight is that you literally see Tony's brain being damaged in front of your eyes. He should've never gone up to heavyweight at this stage in his career: he was too slow and out of shape. He rightfully gets the glory that such an exploit won him, but the cost was way too high, IMO. Tony: 1, 2, 6, 8*, 11 Peter: 3, 5, 10, 12* Even: 4, 7, 9-
Toney took the younger stronger Sam Peter to school in this fight. If you know boxing, you know this. Sam Peter was exposed and even though he would clearly win the rematch, it was clear he was not and never would be an elite fighter.
It was close but Peter lost. They mandated the rematch thankfully with legal action and Peter knew he lost the first time, and got himself into the best condition he ever was and we never got to see it again. Peter knew he lost this time and he knew he had to train properly to right that wrong, If only Peter had maintained that style and dedication from the rematch. He justwent back to clubbing and swinging after
A significant robbery that killed the heavyweight division, it also robbed the world of the best heavyweight fights in years and the most entertaining and exciting performer the heavyweight division had since Ali. But the boxing insiders were to busy fueling there negative agenda against the Rebel, the Outlaw and the real Peoples champion in James Toney following the Ruiz NC.Testing positive of a banned substance administered by his medical team proven in court that it was because got back in the ring two early from the process of healing from his surgeries. Rushing to get back in the ring to quickly after missing a year and a half in his first three or so years as a heavyweight. Can you blame James Toney for pushing for a fight so soon, for wanting to comeback so quickly knowing that he missed out on 2,3 or even 4 fights in his first 3 years and knowing damn well they were prime years in his heavyweight tenure. That sparked the resurgence of the negative agenda from inside the boxing world against James Toney that had ever so slowly faded into the background almost ten years following the Jones Jr loss and Jackie Khallen incident. Toney had only been free from those chains, the blackballing and the robberies of the late 1990's for merely two or three years at this point. 4 screw jobs later and once again blackballed from the rest of the best James Toney's prime heavyweight tenure would fade with no true big fights or ranked opponents coming beyond 2009... Boxing screwed itself, James Toney is still one of the greatest fighters to ever live and he has the type of legacy that is known just as much for fighters and promoters alike fearing him, ducking him and being protected from him as he is known for his triumphs and a legendary record especially for such a modern fighter spanning the most deadly weight divisions.
brah money maybe he could beat mike Tyson but it wouldn’t be easy man, come on! I believe mike in his prime would beat toney but it wouldn’t be easy. We r talking about two legends in boxing history.
if u know about toney u kno at 18 he was a 200 pound high school quarterback he slimmed down to 160 to fight but when you're 200 pounds at 18 you're naturally a big dude. so I knew toney could compete at heavy he's naturally big and even when he fought at 160 he would blow up to 200. I thought Tony won btw.
mareks mezalis I actually think he won as well. Not handily but I think he won nothing like their second fight. However, my real problem here is the scores. Peter had a point deducted so to give him the score 2 of these judges did they are saying he won 9 rounds. I don't see how you can give him 9 rounds of that fight.
jamal bethune O yeah you're completely right, I forgot about those scores. Seems they needed a job and knew the right guy or something. and yeah he fought beautifuly this fight, but I can't understand what happened with James on the 2nd fight, maybe Peter just came oout more ready?....
mareks mezalis If you look at the 2nd fight guys, it is much like many rematches, especially in the heavyweight division with two big punchers, yes Toney is a big puncher. It was a much closer and more calculated fight for both guys, Toney clearly won this fight by a wide margin, Giving Peter anymore than 4 rounds in this fight is a disturbing mistake in judgement. Peter only had a couple moments, those moments were only as big as Toney made them and allowed them to be, he wanted and wants Peter to have confidence at some point so that Peter will throw and come forth so that Toney can exude his mastery of the Sweet Science, if Peter was a drone and never had to be played, then Toney would never be in trouble because he would have killed Peter literally while standing. Peter has never been the same guy since 24 rounds with James Toney, he went from never being KO'd or ever shook to what? 9 knock downs and at least 3 KO's since ? and those announcers kept on about how James wasn't hurting Peter? Toney destroyed Peter the first fight and a pugilistic mind gives Toney the 2nd fight as well, an uneducated and young boxing mind may give Peter the 2nd fight or a draw...
commentator is on drugs to say peter has better conditioning than toney in this fight...peter was huffing and puffing with his mouth wide open from mid fight...clearly toney won the fight in my eyes although it was close
decisively? no, peters was in the fight all the way, but with the point taken away, i can see a toney victory; thought i still gave the fight to SP by a point. just too much for the smaller man to handle; though JT would rather die than let you know it!
One thing Toney loved, 🍔 One thing Toney hated, weight cuts. He was sour when he was fighting at 160-168 due to constant hunger and dehydration. Once they started scheduling his fights around his weight instead of his weight around the fights he became more jolly, funny, and likable, but still stone cold in the ring and when it came to fighting. One of my favorite boxers of modern times. Competing against huge 230-250lb natural heavyweights at his size was really something.
casey123 curtis If his ass didn't hang onto that rope, he was nocked out dead cold, yah he had clean power punch but he wasn't effective in nock out punch, the Nigerian dude was.
He also got hurt a few times and let Peter take the play away from him a lot. I can easily see at least 5 rounds for Peter if not 6. Toney did just enough IMO but it was not easy for him at all.
Toney is a fighter, a good boxer that can not be look down on. His bunches is like fast machine. His bunches is like thunder. Toney is an entertainer and good boxer.
anthony bryant No doubt, Toney was a genius with his skills&counterpunching. His iron chin was like trying to dent an anvil, it would break the hammer that hit it!
I met James years ago at a cookout. He was cooking pig hoofs. These things should kill a person instantaneously. He told me that he soaks the hoof in a whole carton of Morton salt for twenty four hours and Crisco lard. He deep fried 3 hoofs right in front of me. He ate two and gave me one. I couldn't get passed the first bite. I'm not sure how he's still alive.
No, peters clubbed the smaller man into submission. The later rounds jt is backpedaling and flicking. I think, but damn, jt use to be a middle weight. Great stuff!
Great fight!! James is impeccable , his movements are so fluid , marvelous jab aswell , Sam has none - i'll admit that when i saw Sam's movements in the first two rounds , seeing him flat footed , stiff and slow , i was scared cause knowing the Monster he trully is , i thought he was sick ...but no , Sam picked Up at round three and was loose , more fluid and timed aswell , he connected some good clean punches troughout the rest of the fight but i found James performance really good in front of that True Gorilla of a Monster ...james is lucky he didn't get knocked out ...mind games changes the all vibe , predators got different skills , some are scary and some are Scarier ! 🙈🙉🙊
The only true comment. James is bold and strong but dont take the monster beast fighter samuel Peter was in this fight and most times Tony get hurts he holds on to the ropes they deduct his punches Peter had more great punches that landed and hurt Tony. Tony put out a good fight tho his jabs are amazing. But no robbing . Samuel Peter won this fight
Jacob Blackamore No I’m not. Looking at it from a man that boxed, and trained versus a fan standpoint, anyone in the fight game will say the same thing. Plus, to give Toney more props, his opponents were better than Mayweather’s and Toney coming up from 160 to the heavyweight, he took a heavyweights shots very well. That’s rarely done.
I think Toney won but Peter did put hands on him, since the Rahman fight it was clear he was passed his prime. Peter legit hurt Toney in the 3rd. He landed some big blows
Nothing gives me more pleasure than watching Jim Gray's interviews with James Toney. It's always like two worlds collide.
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Jim Gray. That guy was really an all-time jerk!
But him knocking Holmes was uncalled for.Holmes is one of the greatest HW fighters of all time.And also he wants to talk about others being ugly?
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James toney, the best toe to toe defensive fighter there will ever be!period
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it’s close but duran on the inside was next level
@@jesselent7894on the inside the best ever offensive, defensively & overall but in overall defense it goes to guys like Pernell, Toney, Floyd y'know
Do you ever get the feeling that you're watching one of the greatest fighters to ever lace em up when you're watching James "Lights Out" Toney? Well, you are and he is.
No he not mayweather is.
@@lashawnhunt6227 -- Your reply indicates that reading comprehension is a mystery to you. James Toney IS one of boxing's great fighters, and so is Floyd Mayweather.
@@tswrench your right i misread what you wrote. You did say one of the best, but I'm sure you understand what i meant mayweather is the best to ever do it to date.
Maywesthers one of the best. Good luck with that record fighting Duran Hearns and ray Leonard a couple times a piece
@ Lashawn Hunt
Mayweather defense was more hit and run but Toney defense was counter and hit
James Toney....The ART of boxing!!!!!!
Samuel's Interviews are the epitome of eloquence. Every word is been spoken with a thoughtfulness that leaves you just in awe. Especially the part where he is referring to the biblical Pharaoh is telling how huge his hunger for great literature has always been. A true intellectual you rarely find in our times.
Eloquently written
Agreed.Peter has my respect 🙏
Mike Tyson makes him sound like a baby saying it's first words
what the fuck?
JT a little older here and a little slower, but still won the fight.....And came from middle to heavyweight, and has never eva, been a push over.....Respect.
That and Peter punching down to the back of Tony's head constantly. Those are rabbit punches, I am amazed he took so many to the back of the head and stayed up.
@@TheperfectstormV almost broke the man damn neck, LOL.
Yeah toney won
Toney is like everyones favourite fighter. Just a fighters fighter. Not super athletic, shady training habits, but tonnes of skills and heart.
he was certainly the judges' favorite fighter against Tiberi.
It super athletic? Are you kidding me 😂
It more impressive considering he did this well while chain smoking cigars & being overweight.
Man loves to fight.
He said its not super athletic, but also Toney was quite athletic before he got fat. He can dance too
Toney was quite athletic before he got fat. He got offered a scholarship to play quarterback and defensive back at Western Michigan.
Toney is not only a true heart but an artist. It's always so entertaining to watch him fight.
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This is the most underrated Great fighter in HISTORY hands down! Long Live "Lights Out"
INDEED!!
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He is my fave period
Yes sir !
So is samuel peter
This is a masterpiece who else agrees with me ❤
💯 That was beautiful boxing from James Toney.
James Toney,.........all time great,...…..period.
Toney is a great tactical boxer, watching him boxing is a renewed joy.
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Man. You could put Toney in any era, fighting middleweight to heavyweight and he would have been a pound for pound best no problems. Simply an All Time Great Fighter !! Sooooo relaxed in there. This version of Peter was a beast
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Toney is an azing fighter in joy watching him and would l would love to watch him perform with other fighter fighters would is very talented.
What pacman did in lighter divisions,james did in the top of the food chain...
Toney at his worst is is still technically the best
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Toney fired his ass up in the 2nd round. He landed at least 10 hard right hands straight on flinstone's big head. Toney was robbed; he outclassed the big dummy easily.
I agree
What a great fight! One of the best and under-appreciated fights around! Peters is a beast, and toney himself admitted that peters was one of the hardest punchers he faced. Still, toney will snipe you, but he ain’t fighting 170 pounders here. Toney has one of the best chins, ever, in boxing. And skill as well, not just a chin. JT really doesn’t get the credit he deserves as one of the best ever. Long time fan, use to watch JT back on USA boxing, tuesday night fights with Sean Ogrady. Had him to beat Roy but it wasn’t to be. Back to the fight, a great fight! Take care AB, we’ve been together for a long time as well. Always a good voice for boxing.
good fight mate enjoyed it
Toney's a gladiator, he'll fight anyone, he don't care
Fearless an overly confident
Always got respect for him 🥊🥊🥊🥊
Facts he even tried MMA nothing but respect
indeed
That's why he's all fucked up now
Toney is amazing, a middleweight hanging with heavies, the guy is insane.
CrateofStolenDirt But the heavies wernt that big back then. Heavies back then were often more like LHW's
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Ok troll lets see how you come back from this one then we can judge your intelligence further.....
Butterbean = 416 pounds
Valuev = 330 pounds
Shannon Briggs = 261 pounds
I could go on.
Also not just the freaks have got bigger the average weight has increased too if you look at the stats
I'm not sure if you've noticed this but James Toney is not a middleweight. He is a fat heavyweight. James Toney is a bumb. And he got whooped in this fight. On what scale did you weight James Toney on that said he was a middleweight?
CrateofStolenDirt you are wrong my friend athletes are bigger and better now a days.. thats just the facts..
DrJekyl30 Toney, who started at 160lbs was an amazing fighter, period, watch the guy in his prime guy, unbelievable natural infighter .............for a former boxer, a true pleasure to watch, he did beat Ruiz for the HWC...............if you know what you are talking about you would of made a different comment................:), but, like a boxing novice you had to open the manhole in the center of your face. I would be more concerned with his speech after this fight, showing signs of being punch drunk, that being said, one of the best "natural" talents in his heyday..............too bad at the lighter weights he was not more diligent n his training
Toney won this fight for sure. Peter, if he had at least hurt Toney, then maybe. But, Toney’s ring generalship, SHARP punching, fighting as though in control, Toney won this!!!
Toney won
You need your eyes checked A.S.A.P!!!
My Bad! I was referring to the Roy Jones fight I just watched against Toney.
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"This was such a hard fight to score"
No, bitch it was a hard fight to FIX.
Boxing played itself in the 2000's for real
This is why james toney is an all time great... he is not only one of the elite defensive fighters, but his chin is just as solid as his defense... Every time a big heavyweight has landed flush power right hands on toney (which rarely happens anyways) he has stood up to it and continue to fight on the inside... From holyfield (doesnt matter if you are washed up and old, you still keep power, which is the one thing no one loses with ageing), to sam peter (as seen here), to rydell booker, to hasim Rahman, and to dominic gun or watever his last name was... no one has been able to knock toney out and let alone down... ohhh, I forgot john Ruiz
Even when someone landed flush on Toney he would always put that little bit of a roll to defer the blow so it could never truly compound. Attribute that to him spending 90% of his time on the back foot.
Roy Jones knocked him down on that one big shot that sent him back. That wasn't a balance thing either. Toney was rocked.
You believe you don’t loose power with age?
@@TheCharlesJackson James was off balance lol
@Rex that boy gloves touched the canvas. A knockdown is a knockdown. I love James Tony too but y'all don't see me making excuses 😂 Roy got him. Wish they had a rematch.
Love how happy James get at 16:00 when Freddie compliments his jab.
@@jrswhite7751 I been say this for the longest people say floyd perfected it no he didn't Toney slipped and rolled and countered floyd slips and runs loool
Facts you could tell he lives Freddie roach
James Toney "You got to kill me to get respect" classic
I just realized that in all the dozens of toneys fights I've seen, I have never seen him intentionally foul anyone (impressive that he didn't foul holyfield after being head butted ALL NIGHT LONG by him) and I have NEVER seen him complain to the ref about anything and lastly, I have seen him fouled throughout his career as with any boxer, but he never made a big deal of it, never put on a dramatic show, never sought out revenge on his opponent. I am 46 and I remember watching the Nunn fight, throughout that fight the commentators talked about how great Nunn was doing and made it seem as though Tony's win was pure luck. That was one of the first fights I had ever watched and accepted what the commentators said. 10-12 years later, knowing a thing or two about boxing that I didn't know a decade prior, I watched that fight again, and it was astonishing to see the subtle things James was doing that the professionals didn't see any of it or didn't want to. When watching Toney fight, you really need to be zoned in to notice that the punches aren't hitting him, it make look like they are but in the replay its easy to see that they aren't hitting him, James just moves as little as necessary when slipping bunches. And to make it more difficult to see those little things, he uses the shoulder roll, letting punches slide along his body, or the side of his face. The glove of the opponent.may be on James's body while he shrugs them off, but he is in no way absorbing those shots.
James Toney and Ricardo ' finito' lopez, Mexico's greatest fighter of all time, he was perfect!
Imagine if Toney actually kept himself in proper condition. We got a taste of it in the early 90s and it was incredible.
Word !!!
He and Riddick Bowe…just not professional enough to achieve “what could have been”.
He wouldn't have been a heavyweight then
@@tonycrabtree3416You people always talk about what people didn't do! What about what they did do? You're a regular Teddy Atlas.
@@joanmjames2495 Cry more?
Absolutely insane that a natural middleweight like Toney could come up and handle punches from 260lb Sam Peter. Arguably the best chin in boxing history.
True ...James Toney and David Tua and rocky marciano are the only heavyweights that have never been stopped or knocked out
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Oliver MC Call has never been knocked down, never mind been knocked out.
To be fair Toney was not a natural middleweight more like cruiserweight. He used to be 200lbs plus in highschool for football and would have to starve himself to keep down in weight
@@klodianberisha9696 True, but the result of his rematch with Lennox Lewis was a TKO.
James Toney made that fight fun to watch.
James Toney won that fight!!!
Facts
TONEY IS MY ALL TIME FAVORITE BOXER !!
I think the judges were half blind..Toney's counters are sometimes very subtle and these buffoons weren't seeing a lot of them. Shame...James has been the victim of many decisions that SHOULD have gone his way..He is a legend and a treasure. I really would love to meet him and talk boxing some day.
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Toney hit Sam so many more times. I know Sam had a couple power punches that shook toney but he never went down. Toney slipped so many of his punches. I think Toney won by 2-3 rounds.
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You say that now, but if you meet Toney he will probably say “thanks bro for the compliment. Then proceed to punch you in the face, take your lunch money, and starter jacket
Seems to be a common theme among philly shell fighters
I once thought Peter won this fight but was i wrong! It took a while for me to notice the superb crunching counterpunching of Toney busting Peter in the face. And also his excellent body punching number he did on Peter. Peter hardly landed anything really significant in this fight. Toney was making him miss left and right. Samuel was landing but missing mostly. Great victory by Toney, unfortunately he didn't get the decision.
I think a big part of it was the PERCEPTION that one of Peter's punches was doing so much more damage than any of Toney's. It's probably a reasonably accurate perception, considering Peter was a proper real big heavyweight and James was a middleweight at one point, but Toney took the big man's shots so well that I thought the scoring of Peter's punches was a bit disproportionate. It's like one of Peter's right hands was worth five of Toney's, which doesnt seem very fair imo. James took those shots.
I'd say toney won too
Roach, how honored are you to be in this warrior's corner! almost brings a tear to my eye, but SP is my man, and a serious threat!
James toney won this fight clearly..so much fun watching James toney.
Without a doubt
I scored this 115-112 for Toney. Gail Van Hoy is a genius. Toney is a supremely skilled fighter with a granite chin. He was always going to be in every, and winning, most every fight.
Agreed toneys defense is great and his chin is absolute rock.
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Same score
James Toney whipped his as.!
Facts!!!
No doubt
Tony a master class know one like him.
even old ballooned up toney still had decent lateral and head movement, hes one of those guys who was short and stocky like mike tyson etc.. so he had good power with those short arms and could take a punch very well for being a former middleweight.. very deadly under rated fighter,
It Seemed As Though The More Weight James Gained, The More Skillful (Slippery) He Became...Buddy Was A Masterful Boxer👌🏿!!
toney got robbed so many times during his careers
I love James Toney but watch the Dave Tibieri match and tell me he won that. Boxing's a screwy game if you allow judge involvement.
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Yeah but he was literally gifted a few decisions
He ugly. B. Hop ugly. Roy Jones graceful and powerful as the gazelle.
Hes been Robbed because Hes to Gangster and Not what white people wanna see as a champion even though He deserves more credit then what he has Earned (Not Given)
5-4-3, James Tony.
Several close rounds (*) and one with a point deduction (-). It came down to what you preferred: the crisp, hard shots by Tony, or the devastating power punches of Sam Peter. There were times Tony looked out of it, hanging onto the top rope to support himself, or staggering in the ring even, or being pushed back several feet by a right or jab of Peter.
In the beginning, Tony was just popping Peter with crisp shots. I felt bad for the big fellow. Then Tony got rocked by a clubbing right (kept getting caught after throwing ill-advised left hooks). If Peter threw more shots, however, he could've won this fight outright since his power was on the verge of overwhelming Tony a few times throughout the fight.
I don't blame anyone who gives the fight to either guy. It was that close.
On a side note, what's terrible about this fight is that you literally see Tony's brain being damaged in front of your eyes. He should've never gone up to heavyweight at this stage in his career: he was too slow and out of shape. He rightfully gets the glory that such an exploit won him, but the cost was way too high, IMO.
Tony: 1, 2, 6, 8*, 11
Peter: 3, 5, 10, 12*
Even: 4, 7, 9-
My score 112-115 James Toney
Toney took the younger stronger Sam Peter to school in this fight. If you know boxing, you know this.
Sam Peter was exposed and even though he would clearly win the rematch, it was clear he was not and never would be an elite fighter.
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@Jason Voorhees Shup, Zach!
@Jason Voorhees Is that you John Wayne? Is this me? LOL
I remember watching this fight . James landed cleaner punches period
He almost always does. He was a straight sniper between the ropes.
Um
@@duftyboxing yup
No he didn't. It was very hard to score.
True
Some shady scoring again folks. James Toney all the way
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Shady alright
Toney's punches just look so good, I just love watching him fight.
Love the great Bob Marley track Peter came in to the ring with
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Tony has lion heart.. He is more relax in ring than in bathtub....
they took a point from Sam and he still won.. no way. bad call.
It was close but Peter lost. They mandated the rematch thankfully with legal action and Peter knew he lost the first time, and got himself into the best condition he ever was and we never got to see it again. Peter knew he lost this time and he knew he had to train properly to right that wrong, If only Peter had maintained that style and dedication from the rematch. He justwent back to clubbing and swinging after
Bad call alright
That Philly shell defense is beautiful. You just see how it drains your opponents energy
A significant robbery that killed the heavyweight division, it also robbed the world of the best heavyweight fights in years and the most entertaining and exciting performer the heavyweight division had since Ali. But the boxing insiders were to busy fueling there negative agenda against the Rebel, the Outlaw and the real Peoples champion in James Toney following the Ruiz NC.Testing positive of a banned substance administered by his medical team proven in court that it was because got back in the ring two early from the process of healing from his surgeries. Rushing to get back in the ring to quickly after missing a year and a half in his first three or so years as a heavyweight. Can you blame James Toney for pushing for a fight so soon, for wanting to comeback so quickly knowing that he missed out on 2,3 or even 4 fights in his first 3 years and knowing damn well they were prime years in his heavyweight tenure. That sparked the resurgence of the negative agenda from inside the boxing world against James Toney that had ever so slowly faded into the background almost ten years following the Jones Jr loss and Jackie Khallen incident. Toney had only been free from those chains, the blackballing and the robberies of the late 1990's for merely two or three years at this point. 4 screw jobs later and once again blackballed from the rest of the best James Toney's prime heavyweight tenure would fade with no true big fights or ranked opponents coming beyond 2009... Boxing screwed itself, James Toney is still one of the greatest fighters to ever live and he has the type of legacy that is known just as much for fighters and promoters alike fearing him, ducking him and being protected from him as he is known for his triumphs and a legendary record especially for such a modern fighter spanning the most deadly weight divisions.
most exciting heavtweight since ALI? So I guess youve never seen Tyson
AkKnowledge so tru
nope this was a close fight
@@GuitarmanChase James toney would beat mike Tyson easy
brah money maybe he could beat mike Tyson but it wouldn’t be easy man, come on! I believe mike in his prime would beat toney but it wouldn’t be easy. We r talking about two legends in boxing history.
It is not a crowd that is standing who is excited, but glued to there seats.
if u know about toney u kno at 18 he was a 200 pound high school quarterback he slimmed down to 160 to fight but when you're 200 pounds at 18 you're naturally a big dude. so I knew toney could compete at heavy he's naturally big and even when he fought at 160 he would blow up to 200. I thought Tony won btw.
he actually went down to 160's
+jerry godinez 150's*
***** I agree. James tones has so much experience and he's so comfortable n relaxed in the ring that gets him by even when he's tired.
James has bankrupt at least 52 buffets in his career. James.....let's eat toney!
Savage Damage of her left Face and mouth😢clean solid punch of Toney
Lights out clearly won this fight. Smh
in your dreams so you dont have eyes and the umpire and judges dont know how to judge,ony was out punched by samuel stop smoking weed
bond what?
.toney is the winner of the match
But he lost the 12th round.
mr bond have a brain or go back to mma...
Thanks JT for the great memories and exciting nights!
This man go hard even when down on points. His still is just to fun to watch
James Toney is the man. He deserves to be in the boxing hall of fame, fuck the politics in boxing.
Toney is an amazing talent
Westside Africa, Nigerian in the building Samuel peter. Tony Look like he from Ghana by his facial accent
Ade doyin yeah tony do
love james toney!i just watched the fight for the post fight interview :)
How did he stay in there, with these big guys... let's go Toney
First time I've seen baby blue boxing gloves.
look bouts of the early 80's i think even evander got em for a while
Lo0K'S JAMES Lights OUT !! IS LEGENDARY !! Of ALL TIMES 😮
Idk what fight the judges were watching.
me too. I think Toney won, but I'm Toneys fan so maybe a draw....
mareks mezalis I actually think he won as well. Not handily but I think he won nothing like their second fight. However, my real problem here is the scores. Peter had a point deducted so to give him the score 2 of these judges did they are saying he won 9 rounds. I don't see how you can give him 9 rounds of that fight.
jamal bethune
O yeah you're completely right, I forgot about those scores. Seems they needed a job and knew the right guy or something. and yeah he fought beautifuly this fight, but I can't understand what happened with James on the 2nd fight, maybe Peter just came oout more ready?....
mareks mezalis I think Peter had more confidence and was much better conditioned the 2nd fight. Of course Toney was a older as well.
mareks mezalis
If you look at the 2nd fight guys, it is much like many rematches, especially in the heavyweight division with two big punchers, yes Toney is a big puncher. It was a much closer and more calculated fight for both guys, Toney clearly won this fight by a wide margin, Giving Peter anymore than 4 rounds in this fight is a disturbing mistake in judgement. Peter only had a couple moments, those moments were only as big as Toney made them and allowed them to be, he wanted and wants Peter to have confidence at some point so that Peter will throw and come forth so that Toney can exude his mastery of the Sweet Science, if Peter was a drone and never had to be played, then Toney would never be in trouble because he would have killed Peter literally while standing. Peter has never been the same guy since 24 rounds with James Toney, he went from never being KO'd or ever shook to what? 9 knock downs and at least 3 KO's since ? and those announcers kept on about how James wasn't hurting Peter? Toney destroyed Peter the first fight and a pugilistic mind gives Toney the 2nd fight as well, an uneducated and young boxing mind may give Peter the 2nd fight or a draw...
JAMES TONEY is BEAST
commentator is on drugs to say peter has better conditioning than toney in this fight...peter was huffing and puffing with his mouth wide open from mid fight...clearly toney won the fight in my eyes although it was close
Lion Man
So who held onto the rope, your ass must have been watching gost, excuse my rude manners.
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Yeah toney won
That boy came in on that BOB MARLEY👍
Toney is a Master
Yup
Tony look like he eating Doritos and whooping ahh at the same time
Toney should have won this decisively
)p
How?
decisively? no, peters was in the fight all the way, but with the point taken away, i can see a toney victory; thought i still gave the fight to SP by a point. just too much for the smaller man to handle; though JT would rather die than let you know it!
Agreed
One thing Toney loved, 🍔
One thing Toney hated, weight cuts.
He was sour when he was fighting at 160-168 due to constant hunger and dehydration. Once they started scheduling his fights around his weight instead of his weight around the fights he became more jolly, funny, and likable, but still stone cold in the ring and when it came to fighting. One of my favorite boxers of modern times. Competing against huge 230-250lb natural heavyweights at his size was really something.
29:02 One of the hardest shots Mr Toney ever took.
yeah, but it looked almost like an illegal punch.Tony was tough to shake that off.
@@panamaworldwideinvestments Nah, it wasn't illegal at all but Toney holding on to the ropes was.
@@tlig toney get land punch hes back head
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Did anyone else also notice the quality of the Ref? He was impeccable. I love Sam, but Toney tho... Genius.
Toney landed the cleaner punches faster hand speed slipped more punches
casey123 curtis
If his ass didn't hang onto that rope, he was nocked out dead cold, yah he had clean power punch but he wasn't effective in nock out punch, the Nigerian dude was.
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He also got hurt a few times and let Peter take the play away from him a lot. I can easily see at least 5 rounds for Peter if not 6. Toney did just enough IMO but it was not easy for him at all.
@@asedriamin930 The Nigerian lost the fight. Even the commentators were surprised about the way it went.
casey123 curti
Toney is a fighter, a good boxer that can not be look down on. His bunches is like fast machine. His bunches is like thunder. Toney is an entertainer and good boxer.
Tony clearly won 7 rounds. One was difficult to score. Peter won 4 (I'm being nice). Tony was absolutely robbed. Fkn disgrace
Disgrace alright
James Toney one of the greatest boxers ever
just watched an interview from 2014 where toney said peters hit him the hardest...contrary to what he says here
Toney was mad he didn’t get the decision of course he’s gonna discredit him. Either way the scoring is debatable.
If toney could have gotten in shape who knows what he could have done.🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊
anthony bryant No doubt, Toney was a genius with his skills&counterpunching. His iron chin was like trying to dent an anvil, it would break the hammer that hit it!
Toney won.
SAM PETERS GREAT FIGHTER TONY IS TO
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Yeah, no he didn't.
I met James years ago at a cookout. He was cooking pig hoofs. These things should kill a person instantaneously. He told me that he soaks the hoof in a whole carton of Morton salt for twenty four hours and Crisco lard. He deep fried 3 hoofs right in front of me. He ate two and gave me one. I couldn't get passed the first bite. I'm not sure how he's still alive.
@@tonywilson221 ada gak sih di
The funniest yet the toughest , James "Lights out" Toney 🥊💥
Toney went in on Larry Holmes in the interview . 🤣😂
Теперь ясно, почему они дрались дважды! Обокрали Тони, я думаю он отстоял титул! Спасибо!
Yes he got robbed
Toney is Raw, he talks so much smack, is exciting and delivers a performance every time win or lose. Love'em or hate'em ya gotta watch 'em.
I watch this fight to the end again just to listen to Toney say Sam Peter looks like a monster! 🤣🤣🤣
Toney was a great fighter. I really don't count fights like these.
he took on one of the hardest punchers at that time and beat him imo, why wouldn't u count this?
@@El-mu4mt he talking bout the loss. Toney came out and said the only fight he lost was the roy jones fight n he said he was out of shape
Superb boxer Mr Toney. So underrated.
james jab is underated...you can compare it to larry holmes
His jab against MacCallum in their first fight was a thing of beauty.
No you can’t 🤨
Underrated yes but Larry Holmes tho? I can’t co-sign that one.
His jab is good but that’s too far
Holmes jab had another layer and level, and they're two of my all time favorites, but no.
I LOVE this sport.
Don king had them judges in his pocket back then😅
True
Love the ref on the break “deep breath gentlemen”. Never seen that before
judges bought off i hate when boxing corruptness kills the game
Only one honest judge
Sam Peter was DIRRRRRRTY in this fight💯💯💯
I thoughtToney won this fight. I've watched it a few times. He landed more crisp punches.
Peter landed the harder punches toney didn't hit hard enough to hurt any heavyweights
@@seanhennsey2605 gjbu b4 obey
Stone Cold vs Mike Tyson
No, peters clubbed the smaller man into submission. The later rounds jt is backpedaling and flicking. I think, but damn, jt use to be a middle weight. Great stuff!
clean off your glasses
I can't watch this entire fight the outcome still pisses me off to this day. The last great vintage Toney performance.
Ikr
Great fight!! James is impeccable , his movements are so fluid , marvelous jab aswell , Sam has none - i'll admit that when i saw Sam's movements in the first two rounds , seeing him flat footed , stiff and slow , i was scared cause knowing the Monster he trully is , i thought he was sick ...but no , Sam picked Up at round three and was loose , more fluid and timed aswell , he connected some good clean punches troughout the rest of the fight but i found James performance really good in front of that True Gorilla of a Monster ...james is lucky he didn't get knocked out ...mind games changes the all vibe , predators got different skills , some are scary and some are Scarier ! 🙈🙉🙊
The only true comment. James is bold and strong but dont take the monster beast fighter samuel Peter was in this fight and most times Tony get hurts he holds on to the ropes they deduct his punches Peter had more great punches that landed and hurt Tony. Tony put out a good fight tho his jabs are amazing. But no robbing . Samuel Peter won this fight
when toney was a middleweight he was one of the best defensive boxers, this is when he was in his prime
James Toney had a better spider roll defense than any of the Mayweather’s.
Shittin me...
I can't tell he lost
Jacob Blackamore No I’m not. Looking at it from a man that boxed, and trained versus a fan standpoint, anyone in the fight game will say the same thing.
Plus, to give Toney more props, his opponents were better than Mayweather’s and Toney coming up from 160 to the heavyweight, he took a heavyweights shots very well. That’s rarely done.
James tony in the 2rd was perfect skills
Toney won this fight
Fax
He won both fights. He made Samuel look silly.
Toney won! Big man couldn't touch him
TONEY LOST
@@chriso7140 nawww
You lie
I think Toney won but Peter did put hands on him, since the Rahman fight it was clear he was passed his prime. Peter legit hurt Toney in the 3rd. He landed some big blows
Yes he won