Why Is The F-35 Lightning Slower Than The 64-Year-Old F-4 Phantom?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- The iconic Cold War-era F-4 Phantom aircraft is still in use in some air forces around the world, but left US service in 1996. It may be a surprise that this old Vietnam War fighter jet is significantly faster than the advanced fifth-generation F-35.
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Speed is'nt everything. Its the stealth the manuverability, load capacity
maneuverability does not mean anything, really its stealth, load capacity, sensors (radar and other systems like IRST) and situational awareness
@@gibbo_303 I guess you are from USA right?
It’s kinda rare when simple flying uploads something about military aviation, but now it’s less rare
It was the F15 that was developed to counter the Foxbat. The F4 entered service in 1960, whereas the Foxbat came into service in 1970. Great video otherwise.
Yes, exactly. This video gets a lot of things wrong.
Good facts & analysis
The F-4 is still the coolest looking jet fighter of all time. Lol!
Nah the f-117 was the coolest “fighter”.
@@goat3898 .. ❤
The coolest still
Who the hell does your research? The Mig 25 entered service TEN YEARS after the F4 and they aren't designed for the same role either.
It's just a TH-cam video for idiots
yeah, F-15 was designed to counter the Mig 25, not the F-4
The match up between the USSR and the US was the MiG-21 vs the F-4. Also, the retirement of the F-4 in 1996 was half correct. The sunset of the F-4 with respect to service in the US was 2016/2017 with a bang as it ended its service as a target drone as its final flights. The USAF had a farewell tour on the US air show circuit as a piloted aircraft. (I have bittersweet memories when I look at those pictures from the Oregon International Air Show and the Olympic Air Show.)
the F-15A was designed to compete against the MIG-25 not the F-4 like u implied
the f4 phantom was a beast of power...
Why are you guys ignorijg that the 321 xlr has been certified??
cry somewhere😂
@@presunjittripura3795you’re supposed to say elsewhere
@@Razor48X Boeing does have engineers to do it not trolls🤡🤡
Haven’t even bothered making a video on the next stage of 777X certification…
Learned that from Maximus Aviation.
I don't think the 321 xlr would be very good in a dogfight.
Since when did Simple Flying tackle on fighter jets?
The funny thing was that the Foxbat was a paper tiger (or rather a paper plane!), it couldn't keep that pace for long nor fly far.
As one US senator told the defense secretary Lloyd Austin in a congress hearing, the F-35 is just a giant paperweight.
Mach 1.6 is the F-35 non reheating top speed. What the reheating top speed is.. we don´t know, but probobly a bit faster.
It worth saying that the main limitation of top speed is compression heating. The faster you go, the more compression heating it is. But also the more compression you have the more compression heating you have.
High compression is the key to fuel efficiency. So top speed limits efficiency. Well sort of.
There is a new engine that recently was flight tested that had a sort of post compression bypass. This way the amount of compression can be changed over the full envelope. Allowing for both very high top speed as well as very high fuel efficiency at lower speeds.
As allways its not the plane but the pilot who operates it that will make the diference and enhance its caracteristics
My thought: Wait, is this right channel? We have F-35 for civilian now?
Rare fighter jet related.
The absolute top speed isn’t all that important for an afterburning aircraft because it would take almost all of the aircraft’s fuel in order to get to the altitude that allows such a speed.
F4 better than F35 CONFIRMED 👍
The Phantom’s brochure may say it’s a Mach 2 class fighter( clean), but it would not last 10 seconds against the F35
Actually the F4 was NEVER designed to be a dogfighter. It didn't even have a gun. It's job was to kill at a distance. The speed component was so it could act as an interceptor if needed.
Most jet dogfights occur at around 200 - 300 mph
Not sure where you are getting your information. Sources? Genuinely curious.
The stealth is debatable, especially with the switch from just sound driven searching systems to actual visual AI searching systems. The other caveat that you're missing in this is that speed still allows you to get missiles to altitude. 😅
Also the F-4 isn’t hitting Mach 2 in a combat load because missiles, bombs, pods, tanks, and even pylons all create weight and drag while the F-35 can still reach its top speed do to its weapons being stored internally.
Why the Phantom for comparison? The F-4 was planned and developed as carrierborn Interceptor with a missle-only loadout. The ideas of that time concentrated on the expected dominance of missles and do deliver them as soon as possible as far as possible from the own fleet to minimize the threat of getting it hit by enemy missles. By the way, the F-14 was built by the same principle. That's why it is fast. The F-35 is expected to be stealthy enough to get close enough to get it's weapons working it's magic. "Fat Amy" had to swallow a lot of compromises on it's way and only time will tell if the governments who bought it, have been fooled by snake oil salesmen. One is sure: it won't be as easy as in the past to adapt its role to new realities without throwing away the main principle of stealth and therefor the main reason for its high costs.
I am unsure about the F-35. Granted it is incredibly sophisticated, but the range is disappointing (combat range around 680 miles or 520 miles for the F -35B). Also, if you are operating in stealth mode, you are essentially limited to the inboard weapons - which means a maximum of 4 missiles on the F-35B and 6 on the F-35C. For long range intercepts you need something faster with more endurance than the F-35. Mach 1.7 requires, I believe, reheat and/or hot core operation, both of which are thermal limits, meaning you can't stay at Mach 1.7 for extended periods. Meanwhile an aircraft like the Eurofighter Typhoon can super-cruise at Mach 1.5. Personally I think it's foolhardy to focus on only one aircraft type - the F-35 may be considered multi-role but that doesn't mean it excels at all of them. For instance, as a tank killer the F-35 turns out to be a huge disappointment. One of the reasons the A-10 is loved by our troops is because of it's deterrence effect on enemy ground movements. The A-10 can loiter and coordinate attacks with ground controllers, whereas the F-35 has to dash in, fire, then withdraw. Equally, the slow speed of the F-35 detracts from its abilities as a long range interceptor - the F-22 is a far superior machine in this respect. I'd categorize the F-35, perhaps unkindly, as jack-of-all-trades but master of... not much.
A comparison vid should’ve been done about the Raptor, which is Mach 2+, compared to the Phantom. That’s more apples to apples 🍏🍎.
Speed doesn't matter when you're invisible to their radar !
It's perfect.
Because it doesn't need to be faster. It's not about speed.
Watching within 1 hour of release
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It’s not all about top speed. But, speed is a nice to have. The 35 will be a good fighter but it has a way to go to equal the legendary Phantom.
For probably the same reason we cant go to the moon now but could when we had the F4 apparently
Because slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
Top end speed is not nearly as important as acceleration - particularly from M 0.9 to M 1.2.
Why???#1 Its only got 1 engine against 2 from the phantom...#2 the F-35's air frame is made of wood to reduce radar deflection.. and #3 it won't go fast enough, otherwise its skin will peel of like a go go dancer in a nudy bar.
Didn’t the F4 phantom leave the usaf in 1983?
uh maybe the normal variants but the F-4G which was for SEAD was only retired in like 2016 or something
In my opinion a comparison between these two aircrafts seems a bit forced.
F14 Tomcat was a successor of F4, nevertheless the "useless" high max speed was maintained.
In PRACTICE, the F-35 flies fastest. During real missions conducted in stealth mode -- i.e., with all missiles or bombs stowed internally -- the F-35 is free of the drag that slows 4th gen jets well below the speed they can fly at when naked. As a consequence, in real missions the F-35 usually flies faster than than every plane except the F-22.
It's okay
Uh, maybe because it has one less engine than the F-4 did?
Yeah it's faster then the 35 . It's also faster then the F16 and F18 . This is stupid . I just dopped by to say that
F4 Phantom has no match against the Mig-21 during the Vietnam War
Unnecessary waste of money with the F22 and F18 still around
Trash take
@@oladiedoo50 nah. Its the truth, the F35 is a F’ing waste of money from everybody’s taxes
F-35 also overpriced and not too good looking
ah yes because you are part of the DOD
@@kkrsnn5632 F-35 is about 80mil per unit cost which is cheaper than most 4th gen jets