Dark Angels Codex Review - Competitive Warhammer 40k 10th Edition

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  • @sadlyanuxtakustan8950
    @sadlyanuxtakustan8950 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    I guess this is one way of preventing the new DA range from being permanently out of stock

    • @mschietinger
      @mschietinger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You get good models or good rules, not both

    • @sadlyanuxtakustan8950
      @sadlyanuxtakustan8950 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@mschietinger real

  • @Plane-Walker
    @Plane-Walker 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    Rest in Peace Talon Master, Deathwing Command and Strikemaster, and the Emperors Shield.

    • @stuartworthington8061
      @stuartworthington8061 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      And Fealty’s sweep profile

    • @cpeters3104
      @cpeters3104 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sad. Could have been some cool new units

  • @lordmalal
    @lordmalal 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Are they expecting people to spend good money on a codex with as many rules as a White Dwarf article?

  • @cruelmole
    @cruelmole 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    The Lions sweep also changed from D2 to D1 hilariously 😂

    • @Jatischar
      @Jatischar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah Lion hitting for D1 is absolutely insulting. His sword turns into a wet noodle in sweep.

  • @tbone11x
    @tbone11x 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    So dark angels got nerfed the entire range over?

  • @jonathanrichardson9935
    @jonathanrichardson9935 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    At this point give the Eldar codex to the rules writer for this one

    • @linzeli1247
      @linzeli1247 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Nah, this writer will be assigned to write codex for custodes and dark elf.

    • @mschietinger
      @mschietinger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It feels like this codex was written to be stronger and then they went back and panic nerfed it at the last second by removing a source of +1 damage

  • @C-a-m-y
    @C-a-m-y 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    (Timestamps below)
    Good breakdown, i like Dark Angels and am planning them as my 2nd army after Orks so have ordered Deathwing Assault despite the generally disappointing codex. As they say "rules are temporary" and all that.
    00:02:50 - Army Rules
    00:04:00 - Unforgiven Task Force
    00:15:55 - Inner Circle Task Force
    00:36:42 - Company of Hunters
    00:53:40 - Lion El'Johnson
    00:55:40 - Inner Circle Companions
    01:03:00 - Azrael
    01:04:18 - Azmodai
    01:06:35 - Belial
    01:08:52 - Ezekiel
    01:11:04 - Sammael
    01:13:17 - Lazarus
    01:13:53 - Deathwing Terminator Squad
    01:17:24 - Deathwing Knights
    01:24:21 - Ravenwing Command Squad
    01:26:01 - Black Knights
    01:27:05 - Darkshroud
    01:27:25 - Landspeeder Vengance
    01:30:00 - Darktalon
    01:32:25 - Nephalim Jetfighter
    01:33:42 - Conclusions

    • @starlord157
      @starlord157 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      May the God Emperor bless you , champion! Praise tree!

    • @blackturtlesoul7387
      @blackturtlesoul7387 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I see an emperors chosen right here

    • @lukemathewson900
      @lukemathewson900 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You’re a hero

  • @matthewheather6911
    @matthewheather6911 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    -1 to wound was a scary stat in 9th, but now in 10th with lethal sustain on 5s it can really bypass -1 to wound rule.

  • @cassiecaradoc2070
    @cassiecaradoc2070 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "There's no flavor in this book"... exactly. We've had special terminators... i.e. Terminator Apothecaries, Terminator Ancients, even Terminator Techmarines, since at least 3rd Edition. All except for 5th Edition with the infamous Jervis Johnson codex. And that's what this feels like... it feels like the Jervis Johnson treatment all over again. No good news, only bad news, no give and take, and a book full of unnecessary nerfs for an army that was already on the bottom end of mediocre, all while almost surgically removing anything that made Dark Angels "special".

    • @michaelnaber6543
      @michaelnaber6543 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sorry to correct you but there is no mention of Terminator Apothecaries, Terminator Ancients or Terminator Techmarines in 3rd, 4th or 5th edition. There is no mention of Terminator Techmarines at all in any Edition. Terminator Apothecaries and Terminator Ancients were introduced in 6th edition. So if you want to say we had those for three editions then you are right.

    • @cassiecaradoc2070
      @cassiecaradoc2070 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@michaelnaber6543They weren't their own datasheet in 3rd edition, they were an armor option on the main datasheet, just like there was no "Terminator Captain" datasheet, there was a Captain (or in the Dark Angels case, a Master) datasheet that had the option of taking Terminator Armor.

    • @cassiecaradoc2070
      @cassiecaradoc2070 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Specifically, in 3rd Edition, the Master you've upgraded to be 'Master of the Deathwing' could take a Deathwing Terminator squad as his Command Squad, and any command squad regardless of type could upgrade one member to a Techmarine, one member to an Apothecary, and one member to a Standard Bearer. The same was true of the Ravenwing Bike Squad and, I didn't realize this, but the Ravenwing Land Speeder Squadron taken as the command squad for the Master of the Ravenwing as well, apparently. It's in the callout on page 7.

    • @cassiecaradoc2070
      @cassiecaradoc2070 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also 4th Edition's rules for the Deathwing Apothecary and Standard Bearer are listed in Belial's rules in the Army Rules section. So basically we haven't had Deathwing Apothecaries or Deathwing Standard Bearers for exactly 5th and 10th edition (And probably Rogue Trader/2nd Edition... I didn't play in those editions so I have no idea).

    • @michaelnaber6543
      @michaelnaber6543 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cassiecaradoc2070 Ahh you are right. I didn't see the datasheet for the Command Squad in the HQ section.

  • @CatharsisChaser
    @CatharsisChaser 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    At this point I’m convinced that 40k rules writers spend half of their budget on hard drugs 😆 how can you stat such hyper elite units so poorly… and think that removing some of the most iconic units of a faction will go over well….
    If this is the trend for 40k going forward things are looking quite bleak

    • @SeanHoltzman
      @SeanHoltzman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Historically at GW the only people on drugs were the writers who built the good editions and rules like Gav Thorpe, Andy Chambers, etc.... I'd say more drugs are required to actually put the work in. But rumor has it the new team wages they pay probably doesn't leave the rules team much thinking space/time from the stress

    • @SeanHoltzman
      @SeanHoltzman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Certainly not paying them enough for the good stuff

    • @CatharsisChaser
      @CatharsisChaser 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SeanHoltzman I’ve heard similar as well with regards to totally inadequate wages for such a massively profitable company… detachment rules are one thing but unit statlines are some of the hardest things to mess up this badly
      It should have taken them all of 2 minutes to realize that giving detahwing knights essentially low level power weapons and companions massive can openers was a terrible ludonarrative decision… they could have all been relic blades with +1 S and it would have made more sense than what we got

    • @alanjackson1568
      @alanjackson1568 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@CatharsisChaser I would be a little skeptical of the low wage thing, without decent evidence. In my experience most people think they are underpaid, and deserve more, no matter how much they are paid, and no matter what they do. Then again, with all the DEI, ESG stuff etc. I am very willing to see decision makers in large companies as power hungry, two faced, and complicit, or active, in supporting/funding, evil.

  • @eddieg82
    @eddieg82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Honestly, this preview saved me $200. Sure the new models are nice, don't want to buy them if they are just going to sit on the shelf.

    • @ReefEco
      @ReefEco 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah, seems most DA players especially Deathwing are sitting out 10th. I was just building my army and now....

    • @BB-pf2cs
      @BB-pf2cs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, along with the several assault bikes. Talon master, vengeance, two DW command squads, old asriel, 10 knights, and a bunch of other stuff that I haven't even got around to paint yet😂

  • @Rp4467
    @Rp4467 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Appreciate you guys trying to be objective and squeeze.... something out of this release. Some detachments have legitimately interesting things, but geez.... every single unique datasheet, even the *brand new releases* just crushed with nerfs or outright duds. Incredible bummer of an army release

  • @Ultr4l0f
    @Ultr4l0f 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I have a bit of feedback.
    It would be very welcome with timestamps.
    Doesnt have to be detailed. Just
    Intro
    Detachment X
    Detachment Y
    Etc
    Summary.

    • @welderbear6757
      @welderbear6757 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tactical tortoise breakdown is time stamped

    • @AngryAcolyte
      @AngryAcolyte 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@welderbear6757tactical tortoise is also a knob

  • @dras-pv8qv
    @dras-pv8qv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    This is not hyperbole. Nothing has made me want to quit this game more than what they did to my DA. Is there a website people use to sell armies besides ebay?

    • @eddieg82
      @eddieg82 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There are several group on Facebook that do buy, sell and trade Warhammer.

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eddieg82 might make a fb account for that. The fact that I have these rules for the rest of 10th edition seals it

    • @gundam1
      @gundam1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      why would you sell outside of ebay? Ebay makes you the most money even after fees. But you can always get nickeled and dime on facebook lol

    • @dras-pv8qv
      @dras-pv8qv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gundam1 not familiar with fb I'll take your word for it. I've had bad experiences on ebay despite seller/buyer ratings. Maybe I'll give it another shot

    • @uselesspocketwatch
      @uselesspocketwatch 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      R/miniswap

  • @eBuddy89
    @eBuddy89 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    "If you're a fan of the first legion, this is the video for you." Was it though? Really doesn't seem like a good time to be a fan of the first legion.

    • @zyearwood4587
      @zyearwood4587 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Besides our 9th edition codex has it ever been a good time to be a fan of the first legion? I've been a member of the unforgiven since I started in 2018 and this army was consistently one of the worst factions in all of eighth, in 9th we were propped up by attack bikes and transmit terminators. It turns out that loyalty actually is its own reward because this book ain't it

    • @Harkaann
      @Harkaann 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m fielding DA since 2012 and it was really mid tier if not worse also then! 😂

    • @Der_Iago
      @Der_Iago 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zyearwood4587 7th ed Ravenwing Strike Force and of course lions blade strike force. They were great fun. Back then termies were crap though.

    • @VetBodGaming
      @VetBodGaming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Been playing DA since end of 4th edition, it's always been like this.

  • @xxalsinusxx2038
    @xxalsinusxx2038 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Also, Belial actually got nerfed. Yes, a DA character no one ever took once for nerfed. His roll for the mortals used to be on 2+. They changed it to the 4+

  • @RaffazzaHarbinson
    @RaffazzaHarbinson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    As ever, top tier review. Keep up the great work

  • @SacredGumby
    @SacredGumby 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:43 that voice over was truely a thing of beauty

  • @RConnickJr
    @RConnickJr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Librarian with Terminator Armor is a Deathwing character choice with Sustained Hits, right?

  • @piotrjeske4599
    @piotrjeske4599 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Sidegrades and nerfs, with a sprinkle of stuff being removed. At least unlike a friend WS , some stuff is still legal. It is just that his 30 knights now are capped at 15, his Commander squads are no longer a thing etc but with some counts as he has a playable force . It is just that it is very bad. Then l think that someone at the studio thought this is equal to index eldar or csm, and l can't stop myself from chuckling.

  • @ii2bcnii
    @ii2bcnii 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shout out to WarpFire. I got a lot of great stuff for my dark angels with their mystery boxew

  • @GaryP336
    @GaryP336 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Who got touched innapropriatly by a blades of reason in the studio?

    • @Jatischar
      @Jatischar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah wtf my boi Asmodai had those since what, 3rd edition??

  • @rellikskuppin7417
    @rellikskuppin7417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A cool way to give armies without psykers, psychic powers could be "commisar leadership test" on his datasheet or "for the greater good" and than just make it a spell with perils being 1 mw to kill the guardsman who failed

  • @Cornerboy73
    @Cornerboy73 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just feel bad for all the people who were excited for this. There's literally nothing in the book to be excited about; it's either bland, nerfed or a complete loss. I won't be spending a dime on any of this stuff.

  • @peterdinges3264
    @peterdinges3264 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    belial ability is now 2+ when attacks allocated to him. is it 4+ in the new codex?`then its another nerf.....

  • @alpheausfeltham9532
    @alpheausfeltham9532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I kitbashed my leviathan termies into a deathwing command squad :( Never been so sad

    • @Andonios88
      @Andonios88 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think the lesson we all should learn is that we only should build kits the way GW wants us to.

    • @blackturtlesoul7387
      @blackturtlesoul7387 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Creativity isn't in gw's mind

    • @Backpflaume666
      @Backpflaume666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why did you do that? Aren't the deathwing command squad parts out of proportion compared to the new Terminators? Anyways better don't do something like this in the future.

    • @tindyair
      @tindyair 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It looks fine. I did it too

  • @rorymurphy6081
    @rorymurphy6081 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    As someone who plays admech and doesnt have a bunch of breachers and dark angels this is really making me feel like ill have to sit out a good bit of the rest of the edition given my playgroup has only gotten more competitive over the last year

    • @YouveGotRyan
      @YouveGotRyan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Breachers are actually kinda bad honestly. Bad news, though; you need to run lots of chickens and pteraxii to be competitive instead! Hopefully the dataslate gives admech a bit of a sideways push to open up the army a bit more.

    • @Harkaann
      @Harkaann 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have many breachers but I feel lost with admech the same :)

    • @YouveGotRyan
      @YouveGotRyan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Harkaann right now as admech you can't really afford to try and do a lotta damage :( just gotta gum up the board (dragoons in hunter cohort...), play the mission (admech does fixed well) and surgically remove the targets that need to be removed.

  • @fatarchon
    @fatarchon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    My poor, poor Dark Angels

  • @danceswithgerbals1
    @danceswithgerbals1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My Astra Militarum powerfist has better weapon stats than the DWK mace of absolution. If you will all excuse me I need to start gathering signatures for my petition. A petition to get a different rules team for my beloved Astra Militarum. If we get the same people, my baneblade cannon will be D3 shots, no blast, strength 7, Ap +1, with a damage characteristic that restores d3 models to the target unit...

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think codex creep got GW a lot of bad press last edition and now they've swung hard in the opposite direction. They've kept a tight rein on the rules here, which is becoming a trend. Instead of creep, now a codex can make you long for the index days, when you had more power and more options. I would argue this could be just as bad as codex creep. This could very well affect their sales, which is all the more baffling to me as to why they've done it this way. We are talking about the Dark Angels here. The First Legion. The Lion has just returned, and this is as exciting as we're going to get? This is an unforced error, and it's a pretty big disappointment. Maybe even a disaster.

  • @VerlorentheLost
    @VerlorentheLost 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Terminator Librarians give sustained hits and are Deathwing.

  • @aneurinbrewer1143
    @aneurinbrewer1143 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would love a worst strats tier list, my suggestion would be alliance of agony for Drukhari

  • @thedwork9813
    @thedwork9813 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:00 Unforgiven Taskforce

  • @blitzrw450
    @blitzrw450 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a feeling gw wrote this army rule at the start of 10th expecting battleshock to be an edition defining game mechanic. GW can only release wet fart codex at this point smh

  • @andybandyb
    @andybandyb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sammael gets the anti monster/vehicle 4+ with that sus 2. Real unit!

    • @SuperBaharroth
      @SuperBaharroth 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You realize that the anti stuff is for wound rolls and not hit rolls so they don’t interact with each other, right?

    • @andybandyb
      @andybandyb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      sure do! They were talking about wounding with those sus2 hits.. oath gives the rerolls to proc those, right?
      @@SuperBaharroth

    • @SuperBaharroth
      @SuperBaharroth 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andybandyb yea I’m not doubting you know that, just making sure.

    • @Harkaann
      @Harkaann 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is not super powerful BUT with the new nerfs in all the codex he’s one of our best fighters!!! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @davel.3101
    @davel.3101 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Saves me money not buying the book. Guess I'm getting in the kroot bandwagon 😆

    • @alexandremarafusta3300
      @alexandremarafusta3300 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If they do the same job with Tau, i will just stick to AOS.

  • @mtrunkello
    @mtrunkello 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I was looking forward fielding the lion all the time just like other armies field their big characters. Looks like he will be staying in cabinet for another edition.

    • @GeoffSmites
      @GeoffSmites 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same with gulliman....shame we cant be like WE or Tsons and get to field our primarch in every game....GW seems wierd in the head tbh.

    • @Backpflaume666
      @Backpflaume666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends on points costs though. But maybe you are right.

    • @mtrunkello
      @mtrunkello 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Backpflaume666 for what he does currently he isnt worth more than 250. I doubt they will lower him that much

    • @Backpflaume666
      @Backpflaume666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@mtrunkelloYou could be right. 250 is maybe a little bit too low. But around 300 points seems right.

    • @mtrunkello
      @mtrunkello 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Backpflaume666 he is too fragile. A neophyte squad can nuke him for 170 p

  • @scatterthewinds3126
    @scatterthewinds3126 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Competitive 40k is about model access and money. You cant master math stacked against you.

  • @alphmar3778
    @alphmar3778 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For a deathwing character with sustained hits u can take the terminator librarian who gives the whole unit sustained hits

  • @BigPashPlays
    @BigPashPlays 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Dark Angels will end up being a ridiculous horde army like Death Guard given it’s easier to drop points than address the fact they nerfed so many rules for no good reason.

    • @TrippyTheShroom
      @TrippyTheShroom 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup, this is what I expect as well. They’ll drop points like crazy until people just spam.

  • @chrisbeau76
    @chrisbeau76 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Doesn’t the librarian in terminator armor, give out sustained hits, which also applies to himself?

  • @alexanderabramov2719
    @alexanderabramov2719 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If every Character (like generic Tacticus Captains) got Deathwing the builds would've been much more interesting

    • @jefferystafford9657
      @jefferystafford9657 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But those characters aren't in the deathwing... so why would they get it?

    • @r.j.macready
      @r.j.macready 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jefferystafford9657it used to be the case that all captians were part of the inner-circle Deathwing

    • @TheSoijohn
      @TheSoijohn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As long as that character can lead a veteran or any deathwing unit, they are deathwing. But im not sure they can get the relics tho

  • @ReefEco
    @ReefEco 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Oh man what a disappointment - and I just bought the command squad to make a termie brick with Strikemaster the core of my DA army. Seems like GW really nerfed Dark Angels with this release. Seems pretty shady for GW to still sell the command squad (still up for sale today!) when they are removing it from the game.

    • @rellikskuppin7417
      @rellikskuppin7417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh yeah dude it will be up for sale for another year and than do a "remember these? Get a collectors item today" like all other legends units within another year.

    • @blackturtlesoul7387
      @blackturtlesoul7387 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      May I remind you that they sold heresy units for 40k before sentencing them to legends doom.

  • @jonathanhaynes9914
    @jonathanhaynes9914 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks John and Jack

  • @bulldozer360
    @bulldozer360 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Well guys I can't wait to see deathwing knights get reduced to 30 points a model LOL

  • @BloodyArchangelus
    @BloodyArchangelus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Codex which had been written 6 month before release in gw HIGH ENERGY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT. hahahahah. hahahahahahahahahaah,

  • @jongrubka7169
    @jongrubka7169 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have the codex, why didn’t you tell us about all the points increases?

    • @ArtofWar40k
      @ArtofWar40k  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Codex pts are not relevant in 10th. When the codex officially releases GW does a MFM pts update for the faction.

  • @thedwork9813
    @thedwork9813 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:50 Inner Circle

  • @emdeo
    @emdeo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    this codex is just a big "why"

  • @dementiamaster12
    @dementiamaster12 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is a very messy way to design a game…. I think codexes should just be lore, pictures and a code for digital rules

  • @Tulkash01
    @Tulkash01 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A model with a 3+ invulnerable save and a super scary offensive profile, including ASF is considered garbage…

    • @mtrunkello
      @mtrunkello 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats because he is a glass cannon. Not even a glass cannon because he propably wouldnt see melee. A glass knife. Just jump a neophyte squad from deepstrike 3" away and throw some demo charges on him and he is gone. 10w doesnt get you far.

    • @pierangelogalassi135
      @pierangelogalassi135 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, with "monster" keyword, no protection against dev wounds and so freaky expensive. Pretty garbage.

  • @LeftNutOfSanguinius
    @LeftNutOfSanguinius 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don't know if he has deathwing or not but the terminator librarian gives his unit sustained hits 1. Saying for the lethal crit 5 enhancement.

    • @mrmuffinrellik7045
      @mrmuffinrellik7045 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The enhancement is just for the model not the unit

  • @philgagnon275
    @philgagnon275 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would a jump captain count as raven wing?

  • @BB-pf2cs
    @BB-pf2cs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Deep down inside. I saw the book on the new upgrade sprue and had high hopes that the talon master would still stay in

  • @DownUnderWarboss
    @DownUnderWarboss 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    9 Black Knights in Vanguard?

  • @vilos8074
    @vilos8074 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unforgiven detachment was trash, and the tournament results show it. Why would u try to downplay how bad it was?

  • @SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs
    @SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Timestamps would help massively.....

    • @C-a-m-y
      @C-a-m-y 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I stuck them in a reply mate if that helps

  • @BB-pf2cs
    @BB-pf2cs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Belials shield shenanigans it's on a 4 plus not a two plus

  • @averageboycrush
    @averageboycrush 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im passing on playing vanilla marines with the lion.

  • @aaronnunavabizniz199
    @aaronnunavabizniz199 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whyd you call me out like that?

  • @NoThisIsPatrick616
    @NoThisIsPatrick616 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "Look how they massacred my boy" 😢

  • @caboose955
    @caboose955 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those datasheets are awful or bland. Detachments do seem pretty cool though (excluding the index one). I dunno seems like a real punch to the gut over all none of the new models are very good and we lost a bunch of iconic ones. Guess ill try out the new detachments at least they seem pretty alright

  • @DesignsJbott
    @DesignsJbott 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    its like why buy codex and just play index cards still lol

  • @kellyhoesing2573
    @kellyhoesing2573 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This book is the traitor's reward

  • @jackcanox4015
    @jackcanox4015 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Why is it that every new codex in 10th looks worse than the previous ones...i mean don't get me wrong 10th core rules are AMAZING and i love the game! But it feels like except marines every new codex is a step down from the indexes!
    Nids are...not great but at least they have 2 functional detatchments...but after that it's kind of a slope! Admech is a horrible codex (let's be honest...it has one strong detatchment and that detatchment requires lists costing 1500+ euros and hundreds of models).
    Necrons look very bland and have one skew gimmick durability detatchment and that's basically it and now dark angels are honestly kind of a joke and i really hope the supplement is not sold full price because that bo8k is hella empty!.
    The idea of gw doing a reverse-powercreep where indexes are stronger to keep them relevant while they wait for more content is great honestly but i feel gw is confusing lower strenght/powerlevel with bland and anemic content!
    Codexes from 9th to 10th lost about 60-70% of the content and that's great to reduce bloat...BUT. If you streamline that much your remaining content needs to be a BANGER. everything needs to be unique functional and flavourful to justify that big of a cut! And it just...isn't!
    Codexes are rolling out and they are blander and blander with more and more limited options and flavour and it's such a shame!

    • @icklemoo
      @icklemoo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Why I wouldn’t buy one just download it online for free once it’s released on a pirate site tbh

    • @Backpflaume666
      @Backpflaume666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The space Marine Codex isn't super strong. It is midtier. If you play as Ultramarines it is better though.
      The necron codex has some very good units and detachments to offer. All in all it is in my opinion stronger than the space marine codex and made Necrons one of the top tier armies.
      I like the more simple rules of the new codices better than what we had in 9th. In 9th there was just to much stuff and so much of it was totally unnecessary. In my opinion it is not possible to make every detachment in every army 'bang'. That would lead to a powercreep again. Although, after all, if you have like 6 alternatives, it is often the case that some are just better overall than the others. This always happens. In my opinion there is no way to write a codex which has perfect internal and external balance.

    • @Quole1234
      @Quole1234 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Necrons have 3 good detachments.

  • @DomoDoGood
    @DomoDoGood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Terminator Libby is sustained 1

  • @cyranthony
    @cyranthony 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love your content guys but please update your sound. get some carpets and sound panels. its sooo echoy

  • @frankandluna99
    @frankandluna99 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    No flavor and uniqness

  • @Brnolan22
    @Brnolan22 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hope whoever wrote the unit portion of this codex gets fired. there is nothing that seems fun or good modelwise in fact everything just feels shit. Nothing feels balanced, fun or cool which I would think would be one of the goals of getting a new codex. I am no longer ordering anything for them and i know others who are doing the same.

  • @CelticHound357
    @CelticHound357 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All GW did was, get rid of a couple of elite units. "The good ones." And the ones they left, now can't fight their way out of a piss-soaked paper sack! Disappointed is an understatement.

  • @aesirstark1416
    @aesirstark1416 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Well, let's all agree that this codex doesn't exist and continue to play the index. Huge mistake from GW.

    • @icklemoo
      @icklemoo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think casually that’s fine if you don’t own the codex tbh

  • @taylorsmith3211
    @taylorsmith3211 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope my sisters don't get rail roaded come their codex!

  • @PeterPan-o2u
    @PeterPan-o2u 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Easy solved! From now on, nobody buys any new dark angels box!!!! When they start loosing money, than changes will be made. They destroyed the good hammer shield terminator, oh ... coincidently they just brought out a box full of terminators. What happy coincidance. Throw away the old ones and buy the box ... It is just money, that counts ... if you DARK ANGELS PLAYERS AND LOVERS want a change, do not buy new dark angels stuff. Be brave and tough ... and do not buy!!!

  • @aussiemasterbaiter7297
    @aussiemasterbaiter7297 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I lost a tourny game because all 7 of my wardogs that were sitting on objectives failed battle shock vs tyranids. Immunity to battleshock is very good.

    • @Brother_Rony
      @Brother_Rony 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kinda sounds like bs

    • @aussiemasterbaiter7297
      @aussiemasterbaiter7297 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Brother_Rony believe what you want, it happened to me. If you don't think so thats your problem

  • @wh40kev98
    @wh40kev98 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lots of negative sentiment online. Must have been written by whoever wrote the GK rules.

    • @peters6345
      @peters6345 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just a lot of nerfs and not much to be excited about.

  • @DaveJohnson4137
    @DaveJohnson4137 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow….they’ve killed us. But Eldar still rule!! Maybe the solution is play DW and DWK in tournaments get repeatedly hammered until a DWK squad is back to ten max and costs 210pts per five! 😂😂😂😂

    • @icklemoo
      @icklemoo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Elder are going to get anally wrecked if not in balance update this month certain,y once their codex drops 😂

  • @iainclark2959
    @iainclark2959 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hitting like hurt this time. Great analysis - but this hurts...Book must have been written in May 23

  • @Vocc1
    @Vocc1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mate, full reroll wounds on thunderhammer Terminators. Fish for Dev Wounds. Solid

  • @thehursk1935
    @thehursk1935 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's an incomplete codex??

    • @cullenasaro2229
      @cullenasaro2229 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea…. Because it’s a supplement to the space marine codex. It’s in the name

    • @thehursk1935
      @thehursk1935 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cullenasaro2229 my bad let me rephrase an incomplete supplement

  • @BB-pf2cs
    @BB-pf2cs 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If only assault bikes were in action.
    I only spend a couple of hundred dollars a couple of weeks ago for now it all basically to be literally not playable 😅🎉

  • @Der_Iago
    @Der_Iago 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since i just enjoyed the heartbreak of the AdMech Codex I feel for every DA player. This was my first ever army, i loved running Ravenwing as much as possible and thought about getting back into DA...but this review saved me a couple of hundreds. Maybe some B&B games will be fun but from a competitive point of view, this is utter garbage. Sad.

  • @RealJahzir
    @RealJahzir 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone else feel Like 10th edition Dark Angels are paying for the sins of 9th edition?

    • @SwopetheDope
      @SwopetheDope 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They were barely good in 9th edition.
      They were only good when they made unit upgrades free.

    • @jparadis27
      @jparadis27 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      someone forgot transhuman@@SwopetheDope

    • @SwopetheDope
      @SwopetheDope 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jparadis27 I'm not forgetting Transhuman lol
      Why was it for 3 years while Dark Angels had Perma transhuman They couldn't win a tournament until thsy made wargear free?
      That's right the Army was trash lol

  • @stephenwitham
    @stephenwitham 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Terminator Librarian has sustained hits 1

  • @rellikskuppin7417
    @rellikskuppin7417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wasnt 9th deathwing
    4++, transhuman, -1 damage and usually -1 to hit I think lol

    • @Backpflaume666
      @Backpflaume666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Something like that. But I never liked (permanent) transhuman. It was just broken and odd. I am glad they removed it entirely.
      Not sure about the minus one to hit though.

    • @rellikskuppin7417
      @rellikskuppin7417 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Backpflaume666 me too, I don't like any flat "this will not work" mechanics

  • @ironmonkey349
    @ironmonkey349 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wtf gws 🤦‍♂️ rip da i guess, time to shelf them...

  • @gundam1
    @gundam1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Due to all the complaining in the comments, I am guessing all you must be new. The trick is to Dark Angels as vanilla Space Marines

    • @aaroncotton8307
      @aaroncotton8307 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      That’s the point we are tired of being ultramarines in green

    • @r.j.macready
      @r.j.macready 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nothing can stand out anymore. It's all gotta be sidegrades. Take away the van and stern vets and give me back my better termies and bikes.

    • @davel.3101
      @davel.3101 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Just going to use the Knights as th/ss terminators, etc... Lion will have to watch from the side lines but oh well.

    • @emdeo
      @emdeo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aaroncotton8307 at least you have an option of being your own chapter, unlike several other First Founding chapters that don't even have rules this edition.

    • @hammerhiem75
      @hammerhiem75 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@emdeo There are only 3 divergant first founding Chapters, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels.
      All the other 6 are Codex compliant, no reason that they SHOULD get a codex, they should get 1 or 2 specialist units and 3-4 characters.
      The Other three are NOT supposed to play like Codex chapters, they are supposed to look, feel and PLAY differently

  • @Dr.PatrickC.Bailey
    @Dr.PatrickC.Bailey 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    needs time stamps

  • @sebastianmenconi6853
    @sebastianmenconi6853 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm positive the mfm will change this, but rules wise i'm still disappointed. nothing feels special.

  • @cpeters3104
    @cpeters3104 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No secret now that Dark Angels is an ugly useless Codex

  • @LittleIAO
    @LittleIAO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sad if True

  • @erikrose393
    @erikrose393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Gw is a trash company

  • @SwopetheDope
    @SwopetheDope 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah trash Codex played Since 5th edition... The Vanilla Codex will be were most of the power of the Dark Angels Come from.

  • @thehursk1935
    @thehursk1935 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is a joke right this can't be real bc this is well truly stupid knights, bikes, speeders, planes = garbage, trash, hot mess!! WTF GW why did you neuter my fav legion!!

  • @Lunchbox_games
    @Lunchbox_games 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good god the companions are bad😢

  • @wischfulthinking
    @wischfulthinking 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Depressing

  • @TheOneStooge
    @TheOneStooge 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly I would want supplements to be sidegrades and not straight upgrades to the codex. This all sounds like a good thing to me. Keep power creep in line.

    • @heatblade12
      @heatblade12 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What's then side grade for the knights and then lion?
      None. Straight downgrade

  • @marcop.8727
    @marcop.8727 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    uff it hurts =/

  • @PancakesGG
    @PancakesGG 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Seems like most DA players in chat don't want a balanced codex, the want an overpowered one

    • @TheSoijohn
      @TheSoijohn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think most would have been fine with things staying on par with the index, which with a 49% win rate at max, was not overpowered. Also losing quite iconic models

    • @PancakesGG
      @PancakesGG 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @TheSoijohn probably better off waiting for the next balance data slate to come through before complaining about power level, cause that win % would change with the expected nerfs to CSM, Eldar, Votaan, BTemplars and Necrons etc. At the moment power level comparisons are being done against armies expected to be nerfed

  • @jonathanrichardson9935
    @jonathanrichardson9935 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Models look great but rules are dog shit

  • @MidWanker-Minis
    @MidWanker-Minis 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m actually pumped for this IF the points are cheap enough.