the dream wasn't about angel literally turning buffy into a vampire, but rather about the idea that them being together would metaphorically steal buffy's life from her.
I have never watched this episode or even a reaction to it (which has been a lot) without getting a tear in my eye. I think the Class Protector moment is possibly my favorite moment of the entire series emotion wise. I also think this is a stellar Giles episode. Thanks for your continued reactions to this and a few other shows.
Agreed, the fact everyone thought the kids in Sunnydale were oblivious to the supernatural happenings around them. But the whole time they not only knew about it but also who was really protecting them from it.
Poor Buffy. She never gets to have nice things. That conversation with Angel in the sewers was so painful. I do love the award she gets at prom, though. That part always makes me cry. All her classmates, they know what she does for them. ❤
Said this before, Sarah Michelle Gellar(SMG) is one of the best if not the best actress I have ever seen when it comes to emotional scenes. I have watched tens, perhaps hundred of thousands of episodes of various tv shows and thousand of movies, but no one have made me "connect" to her on emotional level like SMG.... "attacking you with her skills" is a pretty good way of saying it lol
Getting emotional is fine, it's called reacting and it comes with the territory for a reactor. I'm over 60 and still tear up when I see Buffy crying and the scene with the class protector award. It's (mostly) a well-written show and very well acted. Sarah Michelle Geller already had a Daytime Emmy award before even starting on "Buffy".
Yes, please don't hold back the emotions. Let 'em loose. For us viewers, that's half the fun. I mean, to still get a little lump over Jenny Caldendar... yeah.
Yep. Class Protector. Tears here. Always. And remember when Buffy missed picture day for the yearbook and told Cordelia that all she wanted was to have some kind of moment to look back to years later and say she was there and had a life other than being a Slayer? Well now she had her moment. On top of that, it also let us know that the entire class has been noticing Buffy for years. That thanks to her they're safer. I just loved it all. Buffy finally got recognized for her hard work 🥲 ♥.
This is the personal favorite Sarah' s episode, Buffy deserved this recognition, the stuff is still deep and great for characters development. I love this season, enjoy the finale :)
It's about 24 years since I watched this series and episode and still... I am tearing up in this one with the speech. I still love the series and it's spinoff Angel
In Doppelgangland (the episode with Vampire Willow coming to the reality we know), Anya responded to the barman that she was 1120 years old when he asked for ID. No reason for us, the audience, to believe it wasn't the truth.
This episode makes me all mushy. Giles being so fatherly for Buffy, and Xander buying Cordelia the dress, and the class recognizing Buffy. I just love it so much. Of course, Joss being Joss... can't let us just enjoy it. We have to have our hearts broken by Buffy and Angel. *sigh
Hi Dakara, always a pleasure to see/hear your reactions on Buffy! Anya is no more a demon since her necklace was destroyed by Giles (The Wish). As she lost all of her powers, she's back to being human again, having difficulties to adjust! Maybe we'll learn more about her later 😉
One part that I loved was when you stopped yourself just when you were about to shout Buffy's name, when the two remaining hellhounds turned back towards the prom.
First episode, but Giles destroyed her curse and trapped her there, making her all the sudden human again. At the beginning she said she was 1052 years old, by the end she was flunking math. Gotta love Sunnyvale High.
I bawl my eyes out every time I re-watch this show, when Angel breaks up with Buffy & her scene with Willow afterwards. And again when he turns up at Prom for her. This was my first shipper heartbreak. And it still hasn’t healed nearly over 20 years later. 😭💔
I don't love the monsters in this episode, but everything else about this episode is just SO good. The Class Protector award is one of the best moments in the entire series. Buffy needed this right now.
8:17 Yep, that's exactly how. Buffy Season 4 onward and Angel should be watched in parallel - there are a few good guides out there which can tell you the order in which the episodes should be watched. Anya is an ex-demon. She lost her power sorce and is human now. She also told her age in Doppelgangland - she's more than 1100 years old.
If I'd been Angel, I would've told Buffy that the truth is one of evil's best weapons. And then cite some examples from Angelus. As for the butcher guy just giving the address... well, maybe he's lived in Sunnydale long enough to know better.
This season is like real end/start of the journeys we get from this show. S4 is a sublime middle ground for the absolute craziness to come! I cannot wait to watch it all just gets better and better and better and you’re so wonderful this is gonna be fun!
Thinking about joining your Patreon but I’m following about 4 buffy react Patreons lol I think I’m watching more buffy now than ever before and I love it
I was wondering if you'd be as triggered by these hellhounds as Supernatural's but they are just a tad different, aren't they? 😆This is such a great episode. Although my heart aches for Buffy with the break up, it's time and I'm happy she gets her prom moment with Angel. But it's the class protector speech and her reaction to it that always gets me going. Thank you, Dakara, I love watching you feel all the feels. x
I was just thinking, I'd really like to see a reactor cry and then this showed up in my recommended. I'm betting Dakara cries. Let's see. Edit: damn, she made it through.
Hey now, don't go telling Wesley what to do. He's the ultimate bawss... never know what could happen if you tell him to smile and clap on the wrong day. My captain... my king... I would have followed you. (Perhaps my favorite character in the entire Buffyverse just... not quite yet.)
Lots of people will be cool. Most will never be "Giles deftly taking Buffy's parasol after he notices Angel so her hands will be free when she sees him" cool. Or anything near it.
Some very funny comedy moments in this episode especially when Xander says to Anya when the says she hasn't got a date for Prom and he says ' it must be your sales pitch ' Xander shows he still cares for Cordelia by paying for her dress. The interaction with Joyce and Angel is very interesting and Angel knows deep down she's right. Overall the story of the episode is pretty weak, only saved by Buffy's award at The Prom at the end, the schmaltzy tone works so well. The last two episodes season finale are such a step up from this you will love them, parts 1 and 2 of finale are brilliant!
Great reaction to a great ep that provides a beat before the march to the finale, but also addresses the foreshadowed issues with the Buffy/Angel relationship, while setting the stage for the impending reasons why Angel departs to his own show... but this small ep was big with the emotional feels and damage, from the breakup, the little moment of understanding between Cordy/Xander, and of course the prom and the "class protector" award presentation.... and we all felt it.... a "lump in the throat" CTU for you today, D.... keep em coming!
Great reaction, nice comments. As far as Anya, as many have mentioned, she's not demon anymore, she's not human, and pretty much "learning" or "adjusting" to be human and a teenager. Well.. looking forward for season finale reaction :)
Xander and Anya.. it's an... interesting pair. "You're that girl that sent my best friend's vampire self after her and tried to expose her to the vampires which could have gotten her and a bunch of people in the Bronze killed. Sure, I'll go to the prom with you." And the class protector award. Such a nice moment. And I agree with Joyce.
yes she will be. She's already on season 2 of Angel and season 5 of Buffy on Patreon. They'll likely be released on youtube in the same order as on patreon.
Zander is a female monster magnet: Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl (possible slayer), Kendra the Slayer, Drusilla (in one epsiode), Willow (budding Wicca), Someone to Be Named later, and Anya the Vengence Demon.
Hated Angel for this. I get it. But like screw you bro. Killed any type of hope for love after this. But I get he wanted her to have a man she could be more intimate with. But like Buffy just ends up dating a vampire anyway by the end 🙄 and the way Angel just moves onto Cordelia on his spinoff. Like I like how he still visited Buffy every now on then, but it pissed me off. It was like he forgot about her. Like she was just an ex (which is normal irl…but hit for Buffy and Angel). Buffy was like his twin flame. Bro stalked her (when she was 14/15 lmao), couldn’t live without her. He took her virginity away?. He would’ve died for her. Then, she was like nothing to him. Idk. It pissed me off. Oh and what the hell was with these older men getting with high school students anyway. Angel was one thing, even though a 25 year old (his human age) dating a 15-18 year old is still weird and illegal. I get it was the 90s but like…and Buffy’s crack “lots of girls bring older dates”… yeah, glad we’re a little more aware in 2023 lol….but like Wes and Cordy is just flat out weird
At this point, Anya is a human. She was a demon, yes, and she's much older than Angel. One of the few complaints I have about the writing on BtVS and Angel is that they rarely write old characters acting their ages. Angel never really acts like someone who's over 200 years old. Anya certainly doesn't act her age either.
How does a person those ages act? I mean what do you compare them against? They may be old, but they've never gone through the life stages that cause people to mature: Holding a full time job, getting married, having kids, taking care of a family, suffering the ravages of age on the body. It isn't the simple passage of time that makes people act in certain ways, but the experiences and life stages that happen along the way that change us.
@@jackmars931 Are you suggesting that despite living 200 years, Angel has no experience? Because we know that isn't the case, and that's what I'm talking about. Angel should be the answers guy. He shouldn't have all of them, of course, but he should have a lot of them. He should also be a lot better at socializing, he should be incredibly difficult to trick or fool, should know when it's prudent to be cautious and when it's okay to rush in, he should know when it's best not to get involved, he should speak multiple languages and know the customs of multiple regions (and species), and should be somewhat wealthy. It doesn't take a genius to realize, "oh hey, I'm going to live forever; it might not be a bad idea to put some money in a bank account somewhere for my 'great-grandson' and let interest do the rest." Now that I think about it, ever watch _Highlander: the Series?_ Angel ought to behave similarly to Duncan MacCleod. Not the same, of course, but similar.
@@Tantalus010 Angel's experience consists of being a murderous demon for 100 years, then being a hobo for another 100, except for that little break where he got mad and let a demon kill a hotel full of people. He was literally living in an alley eating rats right before meeting Buffy. Angel's only actual long term, non-psychotic relationship in his life has been with Buffy. Angel should be nothing like a highlander because he's not had anything even remotely resembling a normal life. Also, if either Angel or Anya were written as you describe: knowledgeable, worldly, mature adults, it would be grossly inappropriate for them to be involved in romantic relationships with teenagers. Imagine Duncan or Amanda having sex with a teenager...it would be beyond disgusting, because they're clearly all the things described above. And that's (aside from Anya's first two appearances) Angel and Anya's whole reason for existing on the show: to be romantic partners for high school students. They aren't written as being closer to teenagers than adults because the writers don't know what they're doing, they're written that way so that people don't feel like they're watching Buffy: SVU.
@@DakaraJayne found it on ur channel in the end. Thank you! It was banned originally and so when I got to the class protector scene, I clicked and worried you might not have been able to see it for some continuing hiding of the episode. But gladly you saw it. If not for Buffys scene with Jonathan or her scenes with Joyce & Giles then definitely for Cordelia's inner thoughts. "I'm cold" 🤣🤣
On the one hand it kinda feels like Joyce was overstepping her bounds by involving herself in Buffy and Angels relationship but on the other hand she's right Buffy won't be able to think straight with her life as long as Angel is in it and Angel may not had liked what he heard was Joyce was telling him but even he agrees with Joyce and not to get all cliche but Angel is doing the classic if you truly love something you must set it free and that's what's he's doing now
I feel, with the Mayor's speech about their relationship in 3x19, Buffy and Angel knew the truth. They didn't want to believe it, though. Joyce didn't want to break her daughter's heart. So she approached Angel about the hard choices.
@@Madbandit77 yeah Joyce didn't wanna break Buffy's heart and Joyce also knew Buffy wasn't gonna wanna hear anything she had to say about her relationship with Angel so Joyce went to Angel and had the talk from one mature adult to another mature adult and Joyce knew Angel would make the tough decision
What I really don't like about this episode is that Joyce goes to Angel to tell them to break up instead of her daughter. She should trust her daughter.
SPOILER FOR THE FIRST EPISODE OF _ANGEL_ To be fair Willow and Dakara, Angel didn't want to have the breakup conversation until after prom, but Buffy pushed for it to happen in that exact moment. Buffy is in such denial over how her relationship with Angel has always worked that she'll throw The Mayor's truthful words under the bus because he's a bad guy. It only adds to how much of a "swoony little schoolgirl" she actually is, despite trying to deny that, also. Her entire relationship with Angel consisted of her being underage and in high school, her and Willow gossiping about it, having underage sex and ignoring the things that adults (The Mayor and her mother specifically, but even Giles, Willow and Xander to some degree) always brought up that were going to be roadblocks to the relationship. A lot of fans and Cordelia forgive Xander. My nigging thought is why did he initially go in the store to begin with? It clearly wasn't to buy anything. He was looking to be rude to her. U until the store manager and Cordelia made him realize some truths. I think he shows the growth, but I think it's a little sad that it happens only because he learned of her situation. And considering only half a year has passed since he got caught cheating, his rudeness doesn't come off as defensiveness like it does with Cordelia. It comes off like Cordelia acted in S1. This paragraph is how you see Willow's growth over the past six months vs Xander's. I've always wondered what their relationship would have been like if Cordelia stayed on the show after their patching up of things. "Are we all catching up now" is one of my favorite Cordelia lines. A lot of people roll their eyes at the fact that Tucker was turned down, but I look at why he was turned down. In high school where you live is just as much a key factor for bullying as being a geek or nerd and he has that working against him also. It definitely doesn't gives him the excuse of sending Hell Hounds to the Prom, but it gives more insight into Tucker's character just through visuals. As a loser of some kind Tucker's breaking point was whatever teasing came after being turned down. It was too much on top of whatever teasing came before. As a Stephen King fan, I kept waiting for Buffy's award to be a horrible prank the school at large had for her - _Carrie-_style. Paint, instead of pigs blood, though.
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"Buffy Summers, class protector."
Always brings me to tears.
the dream wasn't about angel literally turning buffy into a vampire, but rather about the idea that them being together would metaphorically steal buffy's life from her.
The Sunday's cover of Wild Horses is absolutely perfect. And it was perfect for that moment in this episode.
I have never watched this episode or even a reaction to it (which has been a lot) without getting a tear in my eye. I think the Class Protector moment is possibly my favorite moment of the entire series emotion wise. I also think this is a stellar Giles episode. Thanks for your continued reactions to this and a few other shows.
Agreed, the fact everyone thought the kids in Sunnydale were oblivious to the supernatural happenings around them. But the whole time they not only knew about it but also who was really protecting them from it.
Xander does have a quality that certain females are attracted to... You may even say he's a demon magnet
I see what you did there... 😉
Poor Buffy. She never gets to have nice things. That conversation with Angel in the sewers was so painful.
I do love the award she gets at prom, though. That part always makes me cry. All her classmates, they know what she does for them. ❤
I believe Anya is best described at this point as an ex-demon who is currently human
And I think in dopplegangland she says she’s over 1100 years old. Hope I’m not too off on that
Said this before, Sarah Michelle Gellar(SMG) is one of the best if not the best actress I have ever seen when it comes to emotional scenes.
I have watched tens, perhaps hundred of thousands of episodes of various tv shows and thousand of movies, but no one have made me "connect" to her on emotional level like SMG....
"attacking you with her skills" is a pretty good way of saying it lol
Getting emotional is fine, it's called reacting and it comes with the territory for a reactor. I'm over 60 and still tear up when I see Buffy crying and the scene with the class protector award. It's (mostly) a well-written show and very well acted. Sarah Michelle Geller already had a Daytime Emmy award before even starting on "Buffy".
Yes, please don't hold back the emotions. Let 'em loose. For us viewers, that's half the fun. I mean, to still get a little lump over Jenny Caldendar... yeah.
Yep. Class Protector. Tears here. Always. And remember when Buffy missed picture day for the yearbook and told Cordelia that all she wanted was to have some kind of moment to look back to years later and say she was there and had a life other than being a Slayer? Well now she had her moment. On top of that, it also let us know that the entire class has been noticing Buffy for years. That thanks to her they're safer. I just loved it all. Buffy finally got recognized for her hard work 🥲 ♥.
14:47 That's Brad Kane, a professional singer who's best known as the singing voice for the lead character in "Disney's Aladdin".
This is the personal favorite Sarah' s episode, Buffy deserved this recognition, the stuff is still deep and great for characters development. I love this season, enjoy the finale :)
It's about 24 years since I watched this series and episode and still... I am tearing up in this one with the speech. I still love the series and it's spinoff Angel
In Doppelgangland (the episode with Vampire Willow coming to the reality we know), Anya responded to the barman that she was 1120 years old when he asked for ID. No reason for us, the audience, to believe it wasn't the truth.
This episode makes me all mushy. Giles being so fatherly for Buffy, and Xander buying Cordelia the dress, and the class recognizing Buffy. I just love it so much.
Of course, Joss being Joss... can't let us just enjoy it. We have to have our hearts broken by Buffy and Angel. *sigh
Hi Dakara, always a pleasure to see/hear your reactions on Buffy! Anya is no more a demon since her necklace was destroyed by Giles (The Wish). As she lost all of her powers, she's back to being human again, having difficulties to adjust! Maybe we'll learn more about her later 😉
The Wish one of the Iconic Buffy episodes.
The Class Protector speech always makes my cry 😭. I love this episode so much 💗💗💗
One part that I loved was when you stopped yourself just when you were about to shout Buffy's name, when the two remaining hellhounds turned back towards the prom.
First episode, but Giles destroyed her curse and trapped her there, making her all the sudden human again. At the beginning she said she was 1052 years old, by the end she was flunking math. Gotta love Sunnyvale High.
Brilliant! Beautifully edited and reacted to. I hope you went to your own prom after this upload Jayne. You are a vision tonight.
Sarah Michelle Gellar once again proving there are no limits on her acting range.
Every reactor gets sad contemplating reaching the end of Buffy.
Hearbreaking épisode for Bangel fans ❤️💔 but Sarah And David chemistry... OMG ❤️🔥
I bawl my eyes out every time I re-watch this show, when Angel breaks up with Buffy & her scene with Willow afterwards. And again when he turns up at Prom for her. This was my first shipper heartbreak. And it still hasn’t healed nearly over 20 years later. 😭💔
Sarah Michelle Gellar has said that this is her personal favorite episode of the series.
Anya isn't a demon anymore.
Wesley and Cordy have less of a gap in age then Angel and Buffy and WAY less then Xander and Anya.
I don't love the monsters in this episode, but everything else about this episode is just SO good. The Class Protector award is one of the best moments in the entire series. Buffy needed this right now.
This is a favorite episode of mine, and you did a great job reacting. Thanks for posting.
8:17 Yep, that's exactly how. Buffy Season 4 onward and Angel should be watched in parallel - there are a few good guides out there which can tell you the order in which the episodes should be watched.
Anya is an ex-demon. She lost her power sorce and is human now. She also told her age in Doppelgangland - she's more than 1100 years old.
If I'd been Angel, I would've told Buffy that the truth is one of evil's best weapons. And then cite some examples from Angelus. As for the butcher guy just giving the address... well, maybe he's lived in Sunnydale long enough to know better.
This episode is so special
This season is like real end/start of the journeys we get from this show. S4 is a sublime middle ground for the absolute craziness to come! I cannot wait to watch it all just gets better and better and better and you’re so wonderful this is gonna be fun!
Thinking about joining your Patreon but I’m following about 4 buffy react Patreons lol I think I’m watching more buffy now than ever before and I love it
Another fantastic review, dakara, thanks so much. Anya came into the series as a vengeance demon in her
There wouldn't have been a prom if Buffy "killed every person on the face of the earth."
Like you said, killing the hell hounds was good enough.
I was wondering if you'd be as triggered by these hellhounds as Supernatural's but they are just a tad different, aren't they? 😆This is such a great episode. Although my heart aches for Buffy with the break up, it's time and I'm happy she gets her prom moment with Angel. But it's the class protector speech and her reaction to it that always gets me going. Thank you, Dakara, I love watching you feel all the feels. x
Is this the sweetest moment in BtVS? Quite possibly.
I was just thinking, I'd really like to see a reactor cry and then this showed up in my recommended. I'm betting Dakara cries. Let's see.
Edit: damn, she made it through.
Hey now, don't go telling Wesley what to do. He's the ultimate bawss... never know what could happen if you tell him to smile and clap on the wrong day.
My captain... my king... I would have followed you. (Perhaps my favorite character in the entire Buffyverse just... not quite yet.)
Yeah, this is one of the great ones🥲
Lots of people will be cool. Most will never be "Giles deftly taking Buffy's parasol after he notices Angel so her hands will be free when she sees him" cool. Or anything near it.
Anya is an 1100 yo ex Vengence Demon who began as human.
Will always be my favorite episode, even though it also leaves me with a lumpy throat
Some very funny comedy moments in this episode especially when Xander says to Anya when the says she hasn't got a date for Prom and he says ' it must be your sales pitch ' Xander shows he still cares for Cordelia by paying for her dress. The interaction with Joyce and Angel is very interesting and Angel knows deep down she's right. Overall the story of the episode is pretty weak, only saved by Buffy's award at The Prom at the end, the schmaltzy tone works so well. The last two episodes season finale are such a step up from this you will love them, parts 1 and 2 of finale are brilliant!
Great reaction to a great ep that provides a beat before the march to the finale, but also addresses the foreshadowed issues with the Buffy/Angel relationship, while setting the stage for the impending reasons why Angel departs to his own show... but this small ep was big with the emotional feels and damage, from the breakup, the little moment of understanding between Cordy/Xander, and of course the prom and the "class protector" award presentation.... and we all felt it.... a "lump in the throat" CTU for you today, D.... keep em coming!
4:44 one night of glory...
Great reaction, nice comments. As far as Anya, as many have mentioned, she's not demon anymore, she's not human, and pretty much "learning" or "adjusting" to be human and a teenager. Well.. looking forward for season finale reaction :)
One night of Glory... not to much to ask. I wonder how much did they knew when they wrote this
Well if you don’t cry at this episode…
How does anybody explain any crazy thing witnessed in Sunnydale?
Xander and Anya.. it's an... interesting pair. "You're that girl that sent my best friend's vampire self after her and tried to expose her to the vampires which could have gotten her and a bunch of people in the Bronze killed. Sure, I'll go to the prom with you."
And the class protector award. Such a nice moment.
And I agree with Joyce.
8:12 Speaking of which - are you planning to react to episodes of Angel alongside Buffy, when the time comes?
yes she will be. She's already on season 2 of Angel and season 5 of Buffy on Patreon. They'll likely be released on youtube in the same order as on patreon.
Zander is a female monster magnet: Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl (possible slayer), Kendra the Slayer, Drusilla (in one epsiode), Willow (budding Wicca), Someone to Be Named later, and Anya the Vengence Demon.
You're stronger than me.
Hated Angel for this. I get it. But like screw you bro. Killed any type of hope for love after this. But I get he wanted her to have a man she could be more intimate with. But like Buffy just ends up dating a vampire anyway by the end 🙄 and the way Angel just moves onto Cordelia on his spinoff. Like I like how he still visited Buffy every now on then, but it pissed me off. It was like he forgot about her. Like she was just an ex (which is normal irl…but hit for Buffy and Angel). Buffy was like his twin flame. Bro stalked her (when she was 14/15 lmao), couldn’t live without her. He took her virginity away?. He would’ve died for her. Then, she was like nothing to him. Idk. It pissed me off. Oh and what the hell was with these older men getting with high school students anyway. Angel was one thing, even though a 25 year old (his human age) dating a 15-18 year old is still weird and illegal. I get it was the 90s but like…and Buffy’s crack “lots of girls bring older dates”… yeah, glad we’re a little more aware in 2023 lol….but like Wes and Cordy is just flat out weird
Spoilers man jeez, why ruin it for Dakara?
Explain what? The wild dog that strayed into town?
At this point, Anya is a human. She was a demon, yes, and she's much older than Angel.
One of the few complaints I have about the writing on BtVS and Angel is that they rarely write old characters acting their ages. Angel never really acts like someone who's over 200 years old. Anya certainly doesn't act her age either.
How does a person those ages act? I mean what do you compare them against? They may be old, but they've never gone through the life stages that cause people to mature: Holding a full time job, getting married, having kids, taking care of a family, suffering the ravages of age on the body. It isn't the simple passage of time that makes people act in certain ways, but the experiences and life stages that happen along the way that change us.
Well in most vampire (and other immortals) lore they usually stay mentally at the age they where when they where turned.
@@jackmars931 Are you suggesting that despite living 200 years, Angel has no experience? Because we know that isn't the case, and that's what I'm talking about. Angel should be the answers guy. He shouldn't have all of them, of course, but he should have a lot of them. He should also be a lot better at socializing, he should be incredibly difficult to trick or fool, should know when it's prudent to be cautious and when it's okay to rush in, he should know when it's best not to get involved, he should speak multiple languages and know the customs of multiple regions (and species), and should be somewhat wealthy. It doesn't take a genius to realize, "oh hey, I'm going to live forever; it might not be a bad idea to put some money in a bank account somewhere for my 'great-grandson' and let interest do the rest."
Now that I think about it, ever watch _Highlander: the Series?_ Angel ought to behave similarly to Duncan MacCleod. Not the same, of course, but similar.
@@Tantalus010 Angel's experience consists of being a murderous demon for 100 years, then being a hobo for another 100, except for that little break where he got mad and let a demon kill a hotel full of people. He was literally living in an alley eating rats right before meeting Buffy. Angel's only actual long term, non-psychotic relationship in his life has been with Buffy. Angel should be nothing like a highlander because he's not had anything even remotely resembling a normal life.
Also, if either Angel or Anya were written as you describe: knowledgeable, worldly, mature adults, it would be grossly inappropriate for them to be involved in romantic relationships with teenagers. Imagine Duncan or Amanda having sex with a teenager...it would be beyond disgusting, because they're clearly all the things described above. And that's (aside from Anya's first two appearances) Angel and Anya's whole reason for existing on the show: to be romantic partners for high school students. They aren't written as being closer to teenagers than adults because the writers don't know what they're doing, they're written that way so that people don't feel like they're watching Buffy: SVU.
Did you skip earshot? 3x18??
Nope should be on my channel. If it’s missing from playlist I’m sorry. I’ll try and sort but if you scroll videos it’ll be there
@@DakaraJayne found it on ur channel in the end. Thank you! It was banned originally and so when I got to the class protector scene, I clicked and worried you might not have been able to see it for some continuing hiding of the episode. But gladly you saw it. If not for Buffys scene with Jonathan or her scenes with Joyce & Giles then definitely for Cordelia's inner thoughts. "I'm cold" 🤣🤣
Tucker has a brother.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - predicting Incels in 1999.
Incel was first used in the 90s.
@@visarr Really? I feel like Ralph Wiggum: "I'm learnding!"
On the one hand it kinda feels like Joyce was overstepping her bounds by involving herself in Buffy and Angels relationship but on the other hand she's right Buffy won't be able to think straight with her life as long as Angel is in it and Angel may not had liked what he heard was Joyce was telling him but even he agrees with Joyce and not to get all cliche but Angel is doing the classic if you truly love something you must set it free and that's what's he's doing now
I feel, with the Mayor's speech about their relationship in 3x19, Buffy and Angel knew the truth. They didn't want to believe it, though. Joyce didn't want to break her daughter's heart. So she approached Angel about the hard choices.
@@Madbandit77 yeah Joyce didn't wanna break Buffy's heart and Joyce also knew Buffy wasn't gonna wanna hear anything she had to say about her relationship with Angel so Joyce went to Angel and had the talk from one mature adult to another mature adult and Joyce knew Angel would make the tough decision
What I really don't like about this episode is that Joyce goes to Angel to tell them to break up instead of her daughter. She should trust her daughter.
it was a risky play on joyce's part, but joyce is correct in understanding that talking to buffy would be futile.
@@sirmoonslosthismind Because Buffy's young at that point, and Angel's her first true love.
Xander talked to Buffy in 1x07. Didn't work from a friend, probably won't work from her mom.
SPOILER FOR THE FIRST EPISODE OF _ANGEL_
To be fair Willow and Dakara, Angel didn't want to have the breakup conversation until after prom, but Buffy pushed for it to happen in that exact moment.
Buffy is in such denial over how her relationship with Angel has always worked that she'll throw The Mayor's truthful words under the bus because he's a bad guy. It only adds to how much of a "swoony little schoolgirl" she actually is, despite trying to deny that, also. Her entire relationship with Angel consisted of her being underage and in high school, her and Willow gossiping about it, having underage sex and ignoring the things that adults (The Mayor and her mother specifically, but even Giles, Willow and Xander to some degree) always brought up that were going to be roadblocks to the relationship.
A lot of fans and Cordelia forgive Xander. My nigging thought is why did he initially go in the store to begin with? It clearly wasn't to buy anything. He was looking to be rude to her. U until the store manager and Cordelia made him realize some truths. I think he shows the growth, but I think it's a little sad that it happens only because he learned of her situation. And considering only half a year has passed since he got caught cheating, his rudeness doesn't come off as defensiveness like it does with Cordelia. It comes off like Cordelia acted in S1. This paragraph is how you see Willow's growth over the past six months vs Xander's. I've always wondered what their relationship would have been like if Cordelia stayed on the show after their patching up of things.
"Are we all catching up now" is one of my favorite Cordelia lines.
A lot of people roll their eyes at the fact that Tucker was turned down, but I look at why he was turned down. In high school where you live is just as much a key factor for bullying as being a geek or nerd and he has that working against him also. It definitely doesn't gives him the excuse of sending Hell Hounds to the Prom, but it gives more insight into Tucker's character just through visuals. As a loser of some kind Tucker's breaking point was whatever teasing came after being turned down. It was too much on top of whatever teasing came before.
As a Stephen King fan, I kept waiting for Buffy's award to be a horrible prank the school at large had for her - _Carrie-_style. Paint, instead of pigs blood, though.
You: I got a lump in my throat. Me: Sobbing uncontrollably
Yeah, this is one of the great ones🥲