I agree 100%.That's why I bought again the 1250 gsa trophy 23 (1month ago).i believe also that the 1250 is still enough fast ecsepecialy with a dna air filter and a dr jekyll and mr hyde exsaust. More comfortable, better in long trips and with much more macho styl .it's the last real GS.
Same here. I just picked up my R1250GSA a couple of weeks ago. The 1300 made my mind up. I really think that the 1250 is 'PEAK GS' while the 1300 is a new bloodline, a GS II if you like. Great video BTW 👌😎
Thanks bro for your effort, I have been waiting for very long time since 1300 has arrived, I 100% agree with your comments 1250 is better then 1300, brother in my opinion for a adventure long distance rider no need too much power only we are paying for everything design, looks, comfort, less complicated electric stuff, I didn’t got chance to ride 1300 but, I honer your comments and I see the difference while you was riding, 1250 is definitely manly looking bike. I have a question, which is better Africa twin 1100 or gs 1250 ? I know you are big gs fan, but those who are not big gs lovers, which bike you recommend in all aspects ? Thanks
Thank you for the comment! In my opinion, the comparison between the Africa Twin 1100 and the 1250 GS comes down to how you intend to use the motorcycle. If it's purely for road use, then the GS is the better motorcycle. It has more power, more torque, better suspension, better brakes, better wind protection, and is more comfortable. For off-road use, the Africa Twin is the better motorcycle because the seating position and suspension are more suited to off-roading. Additionally, the Africa Twin has a better TFT screen with more functions, it is extremely reliable, and is also cheaper than the GS. The best thing to do is to try both motorcycles and choose the one that suits you better, regardless of what people say about it. Ultimately, you're buying the motorcycle for yourself, so the only thing that matters is that it works for you!
What I think of the new GS: It is better in every single thing. Some marginally, some more and some drastically better. I can point out one by one if you like. For example, you say that the new gear system is "still the worse thing" - but it is WAY WAY better than before and the quick shifter is not a bit better, it is way better. I am not sure how run-in was your test ride bike was. I like the new light. Performance is a no contest, but I also like the looks (esp. in the dark it is much more "step aside, coming through" kind of thing). I expect after-market "bling" for the plastic around the "X" (maybe reflective stickers? I want to see this tried on) and something "radar-friendly" over the radar (I think there are radar-friendly stickers... seen on other bikes). The new HUD had to fit more things in it. So a couple of buttons got eliminated and changed function. The new "dual shortcut" system is quite nice if you actually set it as it suits you per case. The foot-pegs can be adjusted, but I agree, they should be more adjustable (Touratech and Wunderlich will solve this in no time). They are ok for "normal size" people though. The bike IS NOT SMALLER. Repeat: It is NOT smaller IN ANY WAY (GS to GS, not Adv). It is just VERY smartly designed to hide its size much better than previous models. There are people (including me) that really like that. I don't want the bike to "impose" my presence. My own presence is enough, I don't need the bike to do it for me. This is also why I never liked Adv models - they are mostly for show-off, with very few riders that actually NEED the Adventure "extras" (some of them even don't know the specific differences). I mean ok, maybe needed for a trip Europe to South Africa or South America to skip on some shady fuel stations. But in ALL other cases, who doesn't want to stop every maybe 300Km to stretch? I mean, come on, for real. This GS is a return to actual GS values. To ORIGINAL G/S. But I understand some new buyers don't really get the original message of the GS. GS is not "a great touring bike". No. Get the LT or RT for that. The GS is the best f*ing do-everything motorcycle in existence. It is the bike that scores first or worse to top three in every single thing and in the end wins in the totals. 13GS is again that. Like the original 12GS 19 years ago. Which is why I actually like all the bashing it gets (mostly from late 1250GS owners). :D I remember the same by 1150GS owners. The difference is that now GS riders are WAY WAY more (and way way more varied). One thing to note, is that new 13GS makes it more important to choose the right options. Some of them really make a difference.
After I read your comment the third time I concluded that we agree on everything except one thing, the size of a 1300 GS. I tested the bike after run in period and first service, otherwise I would not ride it in such high RPM. I said the gearbox is “still the worst part of the bike” and you say its “way way better than before” If the gearbox is way better than before that doesn’t mean that it is not the worst part of the bike. Simply, the gearbox is not on the same level with the rest of the bike!!! If you don’t agree tell me what is the single worst part of the bike if not the gearbox? This is a shame because BMW had a chance to made really good gearbox with the new engine and they did not. Same applies to quick shifter, on 1250 the problem is that software try’s to learn how you shift the gears and adapt to that and it doesn’t work well, because the quick shifter becomes worst and worst, so on every service you need to “reset the adaptive values” to factory settings and quick shifter becomes better again, but it is far from really good quick shifter… If you just try the XR or 1000RR and compare the gearbox and quick shifters the conclusion is inevitable. The menu on 1250 is clear, simple and intuitive and in my opinion if you introduce new functions and equipment on 1300 you don’t remove the buttons, you add a new ones, otherwise menu becomes complicated and unclear. I find it more difficult to change the settings in ride, but maybe it is just matter of opinion. We both agree that black plastic around headlight and radar needs improvements… I newer said the 1300 is “great touring bike” I said it is “great bike and rides extremely well”… Regarding the size of the bike, this is first time that I hear that the 1250 and 1300 is same size, everyone else agrees that 1300 is smaller so I don’t know what to tell you about this. I am a huge GS fan and this 1250 is my third GS so I think I have the right to criticize BMW on matters I find problematic but in the end it all depends does the bike suits you. You are buying the bike for you, not for anyone else so if the bike suit you that is all that matters. 👍
Glad there are different opinions…for me this new 1300 is not a real GS! It is much like a NC than a proper GS! No way I would trade my 1250 for this… I hope BMW will get again on “track” with the GS lineage…I realy hope so!
I think that a little less comfort in trade for better performance is a good trade off. if you do a lot of bike traveling I can understand the inclination to the old GS or that you prefer to wait for the new GSA. That’s not my choice for bike traveling. On tour I choose the BMW 1250 RT. So, this 1300 GS, suits me perfectly for my daily rides. It suits me better than the 1250 GS , which sometimes is a pain to maneuver in traffic and low speeds streets between cars specially with the side panniers and pillion on. The 1250 is bigger, larger and taller, so that adds risk of difficulties in this kind of environment. The new 1300 GS brings more technology to the game and that’s a lot of aiding to the rider, no doubt about it. I truly think this will be a big success for BMW Motorrad and in a very short time very few people will still look for the 1250. The 1300 GS established a new standard , again, in the Adventure bikes segment and it’s very capable to replace the prior model.
Thank you for comment. Obviously it all depends what your priorities are... The 1300 rides extremely good and I am not surprised that it suits a lot of riders, but it just is not for me. I have only one bike and I ride 500 - 750 km rides in one day on local roads all the time so handling and comfort are my priorities...
@@motobeat6183 i have no complaints with my gsa brakes they are brembo and what i really like about gs and gsa as well as rt is they just work out the box little adjustments or addons needed
@@austinmatthews347 you are absolutley right. GS/A works out of box, you could buy it and go around the world with no addons. That is one of the reasons why I am huge GS/A fan.
@@motobeat6183 i am a fan now since buying my new gsa in swpt 22 i have toured germany in may and now i am planning a little tour through alps to northern italy in may 24 on my baby
That was surprising, in ride the 1300 feels stonger but in acceleration test it wasn´t much stronger. I think the thing is that 1300 is much more responsive on the throttle, it reacts immediately on smallest movement of the throttle.
Hi Moto Beat. From my point of view, it is not a fair comparison of one GS with one GSA, we should wait for the new 1400 GSA and then compare. At this moment if I could ask something in New GS or GSA is to have less weight, 10Kg to 40Kg less, (even if using more carbon and lithium), and be a few Cm s less wide, just my dreams :) I hope they don´t reduce the fuel tank capacity again. Thanks for your excellent review. Regards Roger.
HI Roger. Thank you for comment! In the video I test and compare 1300 GS vs. 1250 GS, not GSA so i think it is fair comparison. I agree about weight reduction but not by removing equipment like centre stand 2,7 kg, fuel 075 kg, lithium-ion battery 2,5 kg, tail light.... becouse anyone on 1250 can do that!!! Like you, I can´t wait for ADV to come and also M, becouse as I test ride 1300 I get the feeling that that engine can do much more...
I think that even when the change represents an overall improvement it doesn’t mean that when that change happens we don’t miss some of the prior advantages of the ancient model. It’s a trade off. You get a more responsive bike with more aggressive response, sportier , so comfort might be a thing that can be sacrificed. BMW had to do this move. KTM and Ducati were “steeling” a lot of new customers. Because they were faster, more user friendly, nimbler and not so soft or comfortable. Now, that GS has evolved to fight those attributes, they can no longer say that GS has no pepper on higher gears and top speed. They can no longer say that GS is the ugliest big trail bike of the market with its modernized and young design. They can not keep on saying that GS is the bike for the old men. You see? Why BMW had to do what they’ve done? That’s why. This is a bike to appeal to a younger generation of riders. The Older generation can up grade when the GSA kicks in the market on late 2024; They have the money to change for a more expensive bike, up to 33 K or 34 K. That’s what BMW is aiming to do in my humble opinion. Thanks and take care!
Hi Fernando, I absolutely agree with you, 1300 is definitely BMW attempt to appeal to younger riders ( the majority of curent GS buyers are 55 - 60 years old)! Will it be success, time will tell... The GS biggest asset was the fact that it was unique, one and only, with no real competition and in my opinion BMW should have continue with that. I have test ride Multistrada and KTM 1290 and in my opinion they are no competition to 1250 GS.. GS is more comfortable with better suspension, faster in every corner, have no vibrations, can be ridden in low RPM....... and for the fight with Multistrada and KTM 1290 BMW have XR...
@@motobeat6183 well i am a gsa 1250 owner so i have only watched the videos i test rode a 1300 but it didnt have the ride hieght device but when you think about it if your bike goes lower than stock height to allow short rider to touch down then it would need to lift up to stock height otherwise it would be very hard to get up on the main stand just a side note triumph have now included the ride hieght gadget on their tigers and they are also retro fitting it at dealers with a simple software update so why cant bmw do that for 1250 gs and gsa as our bime can lift up and down seems to me bmw want so much money yet they always leave bits off
@@austinmatthews347 now i am intrigued, I will definiteley check this out. And yes, i agree that BMW can with small software update do same thing on 1250. Maybe they will do that in the future???
Looking at the dangerous way you ride on public roads 😮 you will probably have a serious accident🥺 before the launch of the next GS .. so its all irrelevant .... 😣
Hi @motobeat6183 ...I somehow missed your reply back then. :D I post this as new comment because it grew too much to be hidden under the other comment. Anyway, first of all I want to comment on the two separate smaller replies (which will be the "harsher" part of my comment: Guys I am sick and tired of people THINKING they know GS better than BMW. Come on! GS didn't start as a hugongous motorcycle (except the engine itself) that says "this is the extension of my d*ck". This is a... newer "feature", which unfortunately also brought the wrong kind of riders to GS. I already commented a bit on this in my original post above talking about how many GSA riders actually get the GSA to REALLY use its differences from GS. 90% of them it is just a "look at me" purchase. Which is a pitty because GS is way more than that and GSA had specific changes to specific use. Anyway to close this: 1200GS is a RETURN to original G/S values. 1250GSA is NOT it. 1250GSA was what an old Varadero rider would buy, when he got more money. "Look at me, I buy my coffee on this". Funny thing is that usually the same people that like monstrous 1250GSA, also like HP2, which also was a bit of a return to original values and FAR from what a GSA is. Maybe the "cool factor" gets the best of them. Sorry for the extended reply to the two smaller comments, but it really annoys me every time. BMW knows better than you and me, what a GS is. Now to your long reply to my long comment. 1) Yes I agree gearbox and quickshifter could be better and should be better. Weird thing (as you also say) is that BMW actually know how to make those better, but for some reason doesn't do it on the GS. I COULD be the fact that the gearbox has to handle a MONSTROUS torque 650cc+650cc engine. 2) Yes there could be some nice decoration for the new light and the radar, but it doesn't bother me at all. When I got my 2007 GS back in erm... 2007, GS was ALSO not considered a beautiful bike and Popeye lights looked weird to every other rider out there. Look how they imposed their presence after all these years. It will happen again. BTW there are already some VERY nice customization options (stickers) for the front (and the full body for that matter). Google for them. 3) I disagree, more functions cannot mean more buttons. They are already TOO many. Note that this doesn't come from someone that loves to do everything from a touchscreen (in a car for example), because it means that I need to take my eyes away from the road. I DO prefer physical control over vital functions. But VITAL functions. Not everything can have a button. For example so many people make a fuzz about not having the heated grips on a button. I usually see how the weather is and decide I want them on or off. I might lower the hit once a bit later, but not all the time. Big deal. 4) The bike is not smaller. I know it looks smaller. It is NOT. See the actual official numbers (length, width, height) compared to older GS. The new design helps hide the size, the new subframe is "slicker" AND of course we have the automatic lowering when stopped (or when moving very slow) which actually doesn't help in photos. But the bike SHOWS smaller (which is an advantage), it really is not. 5) I never said that you said that GS is a touring bike. I was commenting in general a general sentiment, that actually "forgets" all the other values of GS. GS is a great touring bike, but not the best and not even specialized just for that. GS is the best f*cking card in the deck. The Joker. And since I replied to an old reply and we have newer news to add (again a generic comment, nothing directly at your video)... 6) People seem to criticize that it already has a recall. (a) They seem to forget what happened with older models and (b) Recalls is actually a demonstration of the company supporting its customers. So it is a positive thing not a negative thing. Nobody can make something perfect in the first hit. Irrelevant of price. A Lambo can have issues. A Rolls can have issues. Get over it. They are complex machines. 7) People that believe it is a fail, not a GS etc. Have you asked recently how much time you have to wait for a speced for you order to arrive? Go ask. :D They cannot make the bikes fast enough.
Hi NULUSIOS, I am glad you like 1300 but it is important to respect and appreciate other people opinions. I wrote many times that you buy bike for you only, not for other people and all that is important is that bike suits you! I don’t agree that people buy GSA as extension of their d.ick. In my opinion you can buy anything you want and use it as you want, only important thing is that you enjoy it. Many riders would love to ride more often or longer but they just don’t have time or money or health to do so. Hudge number of GS/A riders use their bike as a touring bike, me included, and in my opinion there you get the best from your GS/A. I am happiest on my bike in Alpes on 10 - 15 day tour and in those situations I wont my bike to be as comfortable as possible with superior handling and braking, because these are the things that keep me alive and happy and I enjoy every second of it. Brands exists because of buyers so if anyone knows what something is, buyers do. Same is with GS…. BMW produce GS for the buyers not other way around, so it is balance between what BMW can and want to produce and what buyers wish. I don’t care much about recalls. It is result of todays mode of production where almost everything is outsourced and insufficiently tested. It is the same with all the manufacturers and BMW shoved time and time again will to fix the problems so recalls don’t scare me at all.
1300 is much better and with comfort seat is good. Better engine, better qs,and fast and easiest ride. Im 6,2, and i like it. Riding in city is top easy. Plus all new gadets, and for me better looking. 1300 is my new gs
For sure the 1300 is slightly a better bike but not that much better I certainly won’t be changing my 21 plate GS IMO the 1250 is a better looking bike which you sit in and not on and that 1300 seat is rock hard ok for about hour-ish I’ll take a look at the new RT when it comes out thow really happy with my 1250 .
@@kennybrookes5156 you are absolutely right, I mentioned that in video, when you sit on 1300 feeling is that you siting ON the bike and on 1250 feeling is that you siting IN the bike and that you are much more protected:👍
@@kennybrookes5156 I drove 1200,1250, MS 1200,1260,V4. this is the best bike. easy to drive, easy to manage. I love adv engines. I had a 1200, a Yamaha super tenere, a 1300 gs has everything that other engines have, but it is lighter and much easier to drive. 4 hours of driving was enough for me to order it. and I thought I took 1000 xr.
@@NikeNike-gh2pc I been riding since I was 12 I’m now 63 I have probably done more Miles pushing bike back than a few have ridden forward every one as their own opinion good luck with the new bike I’m happy with my sorted GS 1250 👍
I agree 100%.That's why I bought again the 1250 gsa trophy 23 (1month ago).i believe also that the 1250 is still enough fast ecsepecialy with a dna air filter and a dr jekyll and mr hyde exsaust. More comfortable, better in long trips and with much more macho styl .it's the last real GS.
Congratulations on a new bike and thanks for comment.
Same here. I just picked up my R1250GSA a couple of weeks ago. The 1300 made my mind up. I really think that the 1250 is 'PEAK GS' while the 1300 is a new bloodline, a GS II if you like. Great video BTW 👌😎
@@AmbrosiasRideOuts Thank you and congratulations on a new bike
50cm3 more of displacement and a lot less of GS in every way… 👎
I agree!
Thanks bro for your effort, I have been waiting for very long time since 1300 has arrived, I 100% agree with your comments 1250 is better then 1300, brother in my opinion for a adventure long distance rider no need too much power only we are paying for everything design, looks, comfort, less complicated electric stuff, I didn’t got chance to ride 1300 but, I honer your comments and I see the difference while you was riding, 1250 is definitely manly looking bike.
I have a question, which is better Africa twin 1100 or gs 1250 ? I know you are big gs fan, but those who are not big gs lovers, which bike you recommend in all aspects ?
Thanks
Thank you for the comment! In my opinion, the comparison between the Africa Twin 1100 and the 1250 GS comes down to how you intend to use the motorcycle. If it's purely for road use, then the GS is the better motorcycle. It has more power, more torque, better suspension, better brakes, better wind protection, and is more comfortable. For off-road use, the Africa Twin is the better motorcycle because the seating position and suspension are more suited to off-roading. Additionally, the Africa Twin has a better TFT screen with more functions, it is extremely reliable, and is also cheaper than the GS. The best thing to do is to try both motorcycles and choose the one that suits you better, regardless of what people say about it. Ultimately, you're buying the motorcycle for yourself, so the only thing that matters is that it works for you!
@@motobeat6183
Appreciate your kind reply, yes that’s better to try before buying…
Thanks
What I think of the new GS: It is better in every single thing. Some marginally, some more and some drastically better. I can point out one by one if you like.
For example, you say that the new gear system is "still the worse thing" - but it is WAY WAY better than before and the quick shifter is not a bit better, it is way better. I am not sure how run-in was your test ride bike was.
I like the new light. Performance is a no contest, but I also like the looks (esp. in the dark it is much more "step aside, coming through" kind of thing).
I expect after-market "bling" for the plastic around the "X" (maybe reflective stickers? I want to see this tried on) and something "radar-friendly" over the radar (I think there are radar-friendly stickers... seen on other bikes).
The new HUD had to fit more things in it. So a couple of buttons got eliminated and changed function. The new "dual shortcut" system is quite nice if you actually set it as it suits you per case.
The foot-pegs can be adjusted, but I agree, they should be more adjustable (Touratech and Wunderlich will solve this in no time). They are ok for "normal size" people though.
The bike IS NOT SMALLER. Repeat: It is NOT smaller IN ANY WAY (GS to GS, not Adv). It is just VERY smartly designed to hide its size much better than previous models.
There are people (including me) that really like that. I don't want the bike to "impose" my presence. My own presence is enough, I don't need the bike to do it for me.
This is also why I never liked Adv models - they are mostly for show-off, with very few riders that actually NEED the Adventure "extras" (some of them even don't know the specific differences). I mean ok, maybe needed for a trip Europe to South Africa or South America to skip on some shady fuel stations. But in ALL other cases, who doesn't want to stop every maybe 300Km to stretch? I mean, come on, for real.
This GS is a return to actual GS values. To ORIGINAL G/S. But I understand some new buyers don't really get the original message of the GS. GS is not "a great touring bike". No. Get the LT or RT for that. The GS is the best f*ing do-everything motorcycle in existence. It is the bike that scores first or worse to top three in every single thing and in the end wins in the totals.
13GS is again that. Like the original 12GS 19 years ago. Which is why I actually like all the bashing it gets (mostly from late 1250GS owners). :D I remember the same by 1150GS owners. The difference is that now GS riders are WAY WAY more (and way way more varied).
One thing to note, is that new 13GS makes it more important to choose the right options. Some of them really make a difference.
After I read your comment the third time I concluded that we agree on everything except one thing, the size of a 1300 GS. I tested the bike after run in period and first service, otherwise I would not ride it in such high RPM.
I said the gearbox is “still the worst part of the bike” and you say its “way way better than before” If the gearbox is way better than before that doesn’t mean that it is not the worst part of the bike. Simply, the gearbox is not on the same level with the rest of the bike!!! If you don’t agree tell me what is the single worst part of the bike if not the gearbox? This is a shame because BMW had a chance to made really good gearbox with the new engine and they did not.
Same applies to quick shifter, on 1250 the problem is that software try’s to learn how you shift the gears and adapt to that and it doesn’t work well, because the quick shifter becomes worst and worst, so on every service you need to “reset the adaptive values” to factory settings and quick shifter becomes better again, but it is far from really good quick shifter… If you just try the XR or 1000RR and compare the gearbox and quick shifters the conclusion is inevitable.
The menu on 1250 is clear, simple and intuitive and in my opinion if you introduce new functions and equipment on 1300 you don’t remove the buttons, you add a new ones, otherwise menu becomes complicated and unclear. I find it more difficult to change the settings in ride, but maybe it is just matter of opinion.
We both agree that black plastic around headlight and radar needs improvements…
I newer said the 1300 is “great touring bike” I said it is “great bike and rides extremely well”…
Regarding the size of the bike, this is first time that I hear that the 1250 and 1300 is same size, everyone else agrees that 1300 is smaller so I don’t know what to tell you about this.
I am a huge GS fan and this 1250 is my third GS so I think I have the right to criticize BMW on matters I find problematic but in the end it all depends does the bike suits you. You are buying the bike for you, not for anyone else so if the bike suit you that is all that matters.
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Glad there are different opinions…for me this new 1300 is not a real GS! It is much like a NC than a proper GS! No way I would trade my 1250 for this…
I hope BMW will get again on “track” with the GS lineage…I realy hope so!
@@jcanelas01 I know lot of 1250 owners who thinks the same and waiting the ADV hoping it will be more GS like!
Excellent video! Finally someone made objective review 👍
Thank you.
I think that a little less comfort in trade for better performance is a good trade off. if you do a lot of bike traveling I can understand the inclination to the old GS or that you prefer to wait for the new GSA. That’s not my choice for bike traveling. On tour I choose the BMW 1250 RT. So, this 1300 GS, suits me perfectly for my daily rides. It suits me better than the 1250 GS , which sometimes is a pain to maneuver in traffic and low speeds streets between cars specially with the side panniers and pillion on. The 1250 is bigger, larger and taller, so that adds risk of difficulties in this kind of environment. The new 1300 GS brings more technology to the game and that’s a lot of aiding to the rider, no doubt about it. I truly think this will be a big success for BMW Motorrad and in a very short time very few people will still look for the 1250. The 1300 GS established a new standard , again, in the Adventure bikes segment and it’s very capable to replace the prior model.
Thank you for comment. Obviously it all depends what your priorities are... The 1300 rides extremely good and I am not surprised that it suits a lot of riders, but it just is not for me. I have only one bike and I ride 500 - 750 km rides in one day on local roads all the time so handling and comfort are my priorities...
I completely agree with you.
It is a less special / more generic bike.
It is a GS for the ladies.
Thank you
Engine is a bit better not better enough to rush out and trade up the brakes still dont have radial master cylinder which competitors have
I agree about engine but I really have no complaints about brakes because the bike brakes like dream👍
@@motobeat6183 i have no complaints with my gsa brakes they are brembo and what i really like about gs and gsa as well as rt is they just work out the box little adjustments or addons needed
@@austinmatthews347 you are absolutley right. GS/A works out of box, you could buy it and go around the world with no addons. That is one of the reasons why I am huge GS/A fan.
@@motobeat6183 i am a fan now since buying my new gsa in swpt 22 i have toured germany in may and now i am planning a little tour through alps to northern italy in may 24 on my baby
In den Beschleunigungsvergleichen war die 1250 nicht wirklich schlechter als die 1300er, oder?
That was surprising, in ride the 1300 feels stonger but in acceleration test it wasn´t much stronger. I think the thing is that 1300 is much more responsive on the throttle, it reacts immediately on smallest movement of the throttle.
@@motobeat6183 No, it's not that. The gearbox of the 1250 has a shorter gear ratio.
@@fabianweber3494 yes, the gear ratio is diferent!
Hi Moto Beat. From my point of view, it is not a fair comparison of one GS with one GSA, we should wait for the new 1400 GSA and then compare. At this moment if I could ask something in New GS or GSA is to have less weight, 10Kg to 40Kg less, (even if using more carbon and lithium), and be a few Cm s less wide, just my dreams :) I hope they don´t reduce the fuel tank capacity again. Thanks for your excellent review. Regards Roger.
HI Roger. Thank you for comment! In the video I test and compare 1300 GS vs. 1250 GS, not GSA so i think it is fair comparison. I agree about weight reduction but not by removing equipment like centre stand 2,7 kg, fuel 075 kg, lithium-ion battery 2,5 kg, tail light.... becouse anyone on 1250 can do that!!! Like you, I can´t wait for ADV to come and also M, becouse as I test ride 1300 I get the feeling that that engine can do much more...
I think that even when the change represents an overall improvement it doesn’t mean that when that change happens we don’t miss some of the prior advantages of the ancient model. It’s a trade off. You get a more responsive bike with more aggressive response, sportier , so comfort might be a thing that can be sacrificed. BMW had to do this move. KTM and Ducati were “steeling” a lot of new customers. Because they were faster, more user friendly, nimbler and not so soft or comfortable. Now, that GS has evolved to fight those attributes, they can no longer say that GS has no pepper on higher gears and top speed. They can no longer say that GS is the ugliest big trail bike of the market with its modernized and young design. They can not keep on saying that GS is the bike for the old men. You see? Why BMW had to do what they’ve done? That’s why.
This is a bike to appeal to a younger generation of riders. The Older generation can up grade when the GSA kicks in the market on late 2024; They have the money to change for a more expensive bike, up to 33 K or 34 K. That’s what BMW is aiming to do in my humble opinion. Thanks and take care!
Hi Fernando, I absolutely agree with you, 1300 is definitely BMW attempt to appeal to younger riders ( the majority of curent GS buyers are 55 - 60 years old)! Will it be success, time will tell...
The GS biggest asset was the fact that it was unique, one and only, with no real competition and in my opinion BMW should have continue with that. I have test ride Multistrada and KTM 1290 and in my opinion they are no competition to 1250 GS..
GS is more comfortable with better suspension, faster in every corner, have no vibrations, can be ridden in low RPM....... and for the fight with Multistrada and KTM 1290 BMW have XR...
I prefer my old 1200 gs and yes I'm waiting to see the 1300 adv
I just hope ADV will be bigger and comfortable...
Lowering device doesnt help you lift it onto center stand it merely brings the bike upto stock height
Are you sure about that? I tried that few times and I was under impresion that the bike lifts higher then stock height??? Now I am not sure!!!
@@motobeat6183 well i am a gsa 1250 owner so i have only watched the videos i test rode a 1300 but it didnt have the ride hieght device but when you think about it if your bike goes lower than stock height to allow short rider to touch down then it would need to lift up to stock height otherwise it would be very hard to get up on the main stand just a side note triumph have now included the ride hieght gadget on their tigers and they are also retro fitting it at dealers with a simple software update so why cant bmw do that for 1250 gs and gsa as our bime can lift up and down seems to me bmw want so much money yet they always leave bits off
@@austinmatthews347 now i am intrigued, I will definiteley check this out. And yes, i agree that BMW can with small software update do same thing on 1250. Maybe they will do that in the future???
@@motobeat6183 i doubt it
@@austinmatthews347 me too, but we can hope 😁
Super usporedba ✌
Hvala!
Looking at the dangerous way you ride on public roads 😮 you will probably have a serious accident🥺 before the launch of the next GS .. so its all irrelevant .... 😣
You don´t have to worry about me. I ride over 30 years without any accident...
First feeling when I seated on the 1300: ohh gosh thos seat is hard like a rock. And I was not the only that said that
That was big surprise for me too. The seat is really hard.
better for heavy rider. BMW knows its customers ;-)
@@iamguillaume 😂
Review of real old GS fan
I am not that old🤔... just kidding, thanks for comment.
mean old fan, not old person:)@@motobeat6183
@@aldra744 👍
vidim opet divljaš po gradu 😜
A moram malo 😄
Hi @motobeat6183 ...I somehow missed your reply back then. :D
I post this as new comment because it grew too much to be hidden under the other comment.
Anyway, first of all I want to comment on the two separate smaller replies (which will be the "harsher" part of my comment:
Guys I am sick and tired of people THINKING they know GS better than BMW.
Come on!
GS didn't start as a hugongous motorcycle (except the engine itself) that says "this is the extension of my d*ck". This is a... newer "feature", which unfortunately also brought the wrong kind of riders to GS.
I already commented a bit on this in my original post above talking about how many GSA riders actually get the GSA to REALLY use its differences from GS. 90% of them it is just a "look at me" purchase. Which is a pitty because GS is way more than that and GSA had specific changes to specific use.
Anyway to close this:
1200GS is a RETURN to original G/S values. 1250GSA is NOT it. 1250GSA was what an old Varadero rider would buy, when he got more money. "Look at me, I buy my coffee on this".
Funny thing is that usually the same people that like monstrous 1250GSA, also like HP2, which also was a bit of a return to original values and FAR from what a GSA is. Maybe the "cool factor" gets the best of them.
Sorry for the extended reply to the two smaller comments, but it really annoys me every time. BMW knows better than you and me, what a GS is.
Now to your long reply to my long comment.
1) Yes I agree gearbox and quickshifter could be better and should be better. Weird thing (as you also say) is that BMW actually know how to make those better, but for some reason doesn't do it on the GS.
I COULD be the fact that the gearbox has to handle a MONSTROUS torque 650cc+650cc engine.
2) Yes there could be some nice decoration for the new light and the radar, but it doesn't bother me at all. When I got my 2007 GS back in erm... 2007, GS was ALSO not considered a beautiful bike and Popeye lights looked weird to every other rider out there. Look how they imposed their presence after all these years. It will happen again.
BTW there are already some VERY nice customization options (stickers) for the front (and the full body for that matter). Google for them.
3) I disagree, more functions cannot mean more buttons. They are already TOO many. Note that this doesn't come from someone that loves to do everything from a touchscreen (in a car for example), because it means that I need to take my eyes away from the road. I DO prefer physical control over vital functions. But VITAL functions. Not everything can have a button. For example so many people make a fuzz about not having the heated grips on a button. I usually see how the weather is and decide I want them on or off. I might lower the hit once a bit later, but not all the time. Big deal.
4) The bike is not smaller. I know it looks smaller. It is NOT. See the actual official numbers (length, width, height) compared to older GS. The new design helps hide the size, the new subframe is "slicker" AND of course we have the automatic lowering when stopped (or when moving very slow) which actually doesn't help in photos. But the bike SHOWS smaller (which is an advantage), it really is not.
5) I never said that you said that GS is a touring bike. I was commenting in general a general sentiment, that actually "forgets" all the other values of GS. GS is a great touring bike, but not the best and not even specialized just for that.
GS is the best f*cking card in the deck. The Joker.
And since I replied to an old reply and we have newer news to add (again a generic comment, nothing directly at your video)...
6) People seem to criticize that it already has a recall. (a) They seem to forget what happened with older models and (b) Recalls is actually a demonstration of the company supporting its customers. So it is a positive thing not a negative thing. Nobody can make something perfect in the first hit. Irrelevant of price. A Lambo can have issues. A Rolls can have issues. Get over it. They are complex machines.
7) People that believe it is a fail, not a GS etc. Have you asked recently how much time you have to wait for a speced for you order to arrive? Go ask. :D They cannot make the bikes fast enough.
Hi NULUSIOS,
I am glad you like 1300 but it is important to respect and appreciate other people opinions. I wrote many times that you buy bike for you only, not for other people and all that is important is that bike suits you!
I don’t agree that people buy GSA as extension of their d.ick. In my opinion you can buy anything you want and use it as you want, only important thing is that you enjoy it. Many riders would love to ride more often or longer but they just don’t have time or money or health to do so.
Hudge number of GS/A riders use their bike as a touring bike, me included, and in my opinion there you get the best from your GS/A. I am happiest on my bike in Alpes on 10 - 15 day tour and in those situations I wont my bike to be as comfortable as possible with superior handling and braking, because these are the things that keep me alive and happy and I enjoy every second of it.
Brands exists because of buyers so if anyone knows what something is, buyers do. Same is with GS…. BMW produce GS for the buyers not other way around, so it is balance between what BMW can and want to produce and what buyers wish.
I don’t care much about recalls. It is result of todays mode of production where almost everything is outsourced and insufficiently tested. It is the same with all the manufacturers and BMW shoved time and time again will to fix the problems so recalls don’t scare me at all.
1300ccm scooter…
The 1300 gs is ugly.
Front end or whole bike?
1300 is much better and with comfort seat is good. Better engine, better qs,and fast and easiest ride. Im 6,2, and i like it. Riding in city is top easy. Plus all new gadets, and for me better looking. 1300 is my new gs
All that really matters is that it suits you! After all, you are buying the bike for you, not for anyone else. So, I am glad that you find a new bike!
For sure the 1300 is slightly a better bike but not that much better I certainly won’t be changing my 21 plate GS IMO the 1250 is a better looking bike which you sit in and not on and that 1300 seat is rock hard ok for about hour-ish I’ll take a look at the new RT when it comes out thow really happy with my 1250 .
@@kennybrookes5156 you are absolutely right, I mentioned that in video, when you sit on 1300 feeling is that you siting ON the bike and on 1250 feeling is that you siting IN the bike and that you are much more protected:👍
@@kennybrookes5156 I drove 1200,1250, MS 1200,1260,V4. this is the best bike. easy to drive, easy to manage. I love adv engines. I had a 1200, a Yamaha super tenere, a 1300 gs has everything that other engines have, but it is lighter and much easier to drive. 4 hours of driving was enough for me to order it. and I thought I took 1000 xr.
@@NikeNike-gh2pc I been riding since I was 12 I’m now 63 I have probably done more Miles pushing bike back than a few have ridden forward every one as their own opinion good luck with the new bike I’m happy with my sorted GS 1250 👍