I find the whole issue of baseweight entertaining. When I started out backpacking many many years ago those that could carry the most weight were viewed as the ones to be admired. Added weight meant more comfort in camp and or better food. I have just as much admiration for those who could carry an 80 lb. pack as those who can manage with an 8 lb one. They each present different challenges. What I do detest is people being critical of those who can’t afford expensive gear. In many cases the cheapest gear today is still better than the best gear available 30 years ago and yet people managed to enjoy themselves. You don’t need to spend big dollars to enjoy the outdoors.
By the sound of it, you could just start with a pack and pick up all the discarded gear and food you want in hikers boxes. I wouldnt be surprised if the people offering pack shakedowns are motivated by reselling the gear people leave behind.
Same - when I started 25 years ago we carried some horribly inefficient gear, especially when it came to tents. There is SOME validity to worrying about base weight in that you don’t want to cause injury, but if your body can handle it, then cheap gear gives you an opportunity to get out there and build your stamina.
@@spoothed There are some girls I've seen online carrying packs that look like they weigh 50 lbs or more on their backs for days on end. They're smiling and happy in the videos, but one has to wonder what that means for their long-term health.
@@thunderbird1921 It means its BETTER. These are "girls", young and in the prime of their lives. If you're 50+ Hell yeah worry about your base weight, you can't recover fast anymore and only get weaker with permanent injuries. HARD exercise when you're young has lasting positive effects throughout your lifetime. Go learn the basics about health before talking crap.
Base weight is relative to the size of the hiker. A 5’2” woman who weighs 110lbs isn’t going to have as heavy equipment as a 6’2” man with broad shoulders who weighs 200lbs (me). I need “wide, long” sleeping bags to accommodate my height and shoulder width. I also need a bag or quilt rated for a lower temperature because I get cold at night. I need slightly bigger tents as well, because most standard tents aren’t long enough or wide enough to accommodate me and my gear. I wear larger clothing, which means more weight in fabric. I have a long torso, which means I have to have a larger pack just to fit me properly. I definitely want to get my base weight as low as I reasonably can in order to reduce the stress on my body, but at the same time comparing base weights between hikers really has no purpose.
I agree. And that 5'2" woman (like me) also isn't as strong as you are. (There are exceptions of course, but overall, women do not possess the upper body strength of men.) Every person has to decide, first what they are ABLE to carry, and second, what they WANT to carry. Different answers for different people.
Thank you Dixie!! It is so refreshing to hear an experienced person such as you, and as a woman not stress base weight. I have gone through my gear many times now and just no way can I get it any lighter without spending money I don't have and can't afford or sacrificing needed comfort and therefore enjoyment. I researched thoroughly and worked to find a balance of weight, functionality and budget. At age 77, a small woman (even shorter than I used to be) I find that I can't handle some of the discomforts of my youth any longer plus I have some medical requirements such as sleeping with my torso on an incline, I need cushion under me and a pad wider than 20" so my knees and hips don't scream at me. I also can't do the long mile days so I need more food in my pack. All the emphasis on low base weights had begun to make me feel like I was somehow failing or was missing something. I have a base weight of 22 lbs and when I add in food, water and personals I'll be carrying 35 to 37 lbs. So, unable to lighten the load I've been working on strength and stamina. On my 4th training hike ( I will be doing the JMT this Aug) I managed 27 lbs up 2900' (to a crest at 8600') in 4 miles + another 2 miles without elevation. .It took me 5.5 hrs. I'll be increasing the weight this next outing. At the elevations of the Sierra Mountains I was only managing 5.5 miles per day. I'm working to get that to 7 miles, and, of course, will train at higher elevations. Keep inspiring us and supporting us, Dixie. You rock.
So I know this comment is old as heck, but... in case you're still active on here, I'm curious what you use for an incline. I sleep at home on one, and there may come a time when I need that incline elsewhere. Also wanted to add how immensity inspiring it is to hear, as a younger woman, how women 60 and beyond are getting out there and taking names. 🖤
@@sheenajae I made an incline from plastiboard (like is used for political and other signs. ) It was egg crate style so I could take it apart to pack. It is light weight. The egg crate architecture gives it rigidity and strength. I've also put my boots at my head and laid my pack over those . I put my extra clothing on top to pad it and raise it, then my sleeping pad. Both ways worked for me. I have an inflatable wedge pillow, but it is too heavy and takes too long to inflate to be practical. I'm now 81, sidelined from hiking as I recover from injuries. Initially I broke my hip in my driveway, recovered well and while hiking this past winter, I slipped on ice. The jerking around, avoiding a fall, sprained my hip, the adductor muscles and injured some tendons. My therapist promises I will be on the trail again. I'm recovering and believe I'll hike again. I want to section hike most of the Southern section of the Arizona Trail. The Southern terminus is near me.
Thanks for addressing this. The ultra light obsession on the internet is really discouraging and just seems to be a pissing contest of who can afford the newest thing (with little talk of actual hiking). Keep up the good work!
Hey, when I was walking the Camino, which was my first long-distance-hike, I completely over-geared while being under-trained, took tons of unnecessary stuff with me and ended up with 18 kg (40 lbs), and told myself i could force my body to adapt and become stronger with willpower. Well, all it did was that i completely destroyed my left knee, which to this day is giving me problems, 4 years later. It also overstrained my body in other horrible ways, and that combined with the daily heat of 38 degrees Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) brought my stubborn self to a point where my life was in severe danger from heatstroke. I'm never ever going to carry more than 9 kg (20 lbs) baseweight anymore. So, think of your joints when thinking about pack-weight! Because your body has limitations that can not be overcome by willpower, and every little bit of weight saved means that you have a higher chance of staying injury-free and successful on your thu-hike.
As someone who is just starting out hiking, this comment is gold. I’ve been looking for an idea of what’s considered a ‘heavy’ base weight and ‘light’...like in actual pounds. I think for anyone starting out, who’s not doing long hikes for weeks on end, it matters less. I guess I’ll just figure it out...thankfully your comment will remind me its better stay on the lighter side...thanks
This comment makes me think about how important it is to do shake down hikes. 10-20 miles overall gives a great idea if you are overweight and what you need and don't without the stress of pushing yourself for the first time doing a long haul.
@@jkarasta1 Hey, I'm glad my comment is actually helping someone, i didn't even expect anybody to read it. The most important rule is: you have to be used to it. I know people who carry heavy baseweights and are fine, because they train their bodies properly and take it slow. For people who do actual expedition-type hikes into the wilderness with no possiblity to resupply, 40 lbs isn't even that much. Hurlgoathiker on TH-cam for example is a guy who carries a lot of stuff, and he's completely fine. So the rule is: don't be an idiot like me and slowly work your way up to the distance and the baseweight that you want, and you'll be fine.
So true. I'm pretty sick of ultralight snobs as in people who prioritize their pack weight then think they're better than anybody who has a heavier pack. It's not a competition, everybody, and for me anyway part of going on a thru hike is to get away from judgmental people.
Jay Wanders Out And who will the ultralight 5 lb. base weight snob turn to for a warm blanket and hot chocolate when they are shivering from hypothermia in the middle of the wilderness???!!!
Phoenix Genesis I haven't met anyone with a 5 lb base weight yet, but I do overnighters with an eleven lb winter pack, with 2quarts of water, tent, alcohol stove, dinner and breakfast. On the trail weight. I'm perfectly warm and safe. Its all about choices, gear that keeps you cozy and comfortable, and performs like a heavier piece. None of my gear is ultralite. Most is from 2nd hand stores. Videos on my channel. Its choices and testing, and weighing things on the kitchen digital scale. Good trails partner.
Yea, too many snowflake soy boys who can't ruck 10% of their own weight. Imagine bragging you have a base weight of 10 lbs cuz you are male feminist. Pathetic. MAGA!
So you're telling me society brings their competitive, gear shaming qualities to the trail? That's the main reason I want to hike for 4-6 months, to escape that crap. Thanks for the vid, btw!
I think she's talking mostly about online forums where people are talking about planning. you're completely right, best way to avoid drama is too go outside and get offline.
You're very brave to do an entire video about base weight, given that nothing seems to make backpackers on social media more agitated and rabid than discussions about pack weight. Great points. And you're right to defend people who want to make their own decisions about their gear without being mocked for it . . . I admit that unlike you, I DO obsess about my base weight, given that I think it directly affects how my aging/old body feels at the end of each day -- and that adds up over a month-long plus hike. On the other hand, I hope I don't act superior or judgmental toward anyone else who makes a different choice about what gear to carry . . . By the way, when you start the CDT, are you thinking of any gear changes to get your base weight down or do you think you're finished with the calculation you described and have now arrived at exactly the correct base weight for you?
I'm so happy to hear someone talk about reasonable balance when it comes to backpacking gear. Hiking long trails has had so much attention we get the message that all backpackers should be using these ultralight and extreemly expensive (and not really durable) pieces of gear that make perfect sense when doing 20 mile days, but aren't really necessary for the casual hiker doing 5-8 mile hikes. The vast majority of us can do fine with more "pedestrian" brands and slightly heavier loads because we're not going to carry them that far. Few people review those lower cost items. Thanks for not being one of those gear snobs.
Good morning! It's always a good day when we get a notice about a new Homemade Wanderlust video. Always something new to learn and think about. Especially love the 'spirit, grit and heart' comment. Yes, after seeing some other content on TH-cam, I was thinking , "Gee, maybe I should get a z-pack or some other light weight pack and take back my Osprey " (which has gotten rave reviews from many people). But I love many features of the Osprey and do not need the long distance benefits of a super light pack. Thanks for putting things in a practical perspective, Dixie. It's easy to get lost in all the conversations online. Your vids are the 'GPS' of backpacking videos; always keeping us on the common sense path. :-). Have a great week!
Say what they will, you hit the nail on the head! The rudeness of competition is a poor example of what backpacking is really about. Yes, you should go as light as you can, but, not at the expense of your own reason for being out there. Your mileage is phenomenal and that is great for you....for me, I've been around a bit longer, I have history on the southern end of the ATC, and I go to see the scenery. My ttypical day may only be 7 or so miles, but the sights, and sites, are what my hike is all about. Love your videos, and your views and I really think you should be out, in person, talking to hiking clubs, scout groups, etc. Thank you for the posts and videos, they are refreshing as well as encouraging!
Bob McElroy Thank you! Ive talked to some scouting groups since I’ve been home and spoke at a school last week. I really enjoy corrupting our youth, haha.
People choose their obsessions: weight, comfort, safety, photography/video, etc, etc. Really, what I think (and what this video spoke to me as promoting) is that the key is balance and personalization. Understanding your own personal goals and desires is more important than trying to meet the obsessions of others. Whenever I’ve been told my pack is “too heavy” - I just like to say “maybe” and keep walking. There are extremes where I think things can be out of balance - and those are areas to consider improving. However, trying to meet someone else’s ideals is never a great idea (in my opinion). Kudos to you Dixie for going a little against the grain of UL. I’ll continue to take my “good” camera equipment on my hikes and cut weight when/where technology and cost permit.
I believe more commentary from the top experienced "hiking" gurus on TH-cam would help those just starting out. This is not a competition of elitists. This is every day people making hiking and new experiences a priority. Everyone can do this on their own terms.
I spent 13 years in the infantry and we walk everywhere. My bag was well over 20 pounds. Not counting our battle kit. My point is the body is capable handling alot of abuse. Ive had my bag on average 60 lbs. I get people wanting to go ultra light but i feel its not a requirement.
Man, my pack has averaged about 45-50lbs the last two hikes I've done and it has just sucked the joy out of both of experiences. I had a finite amount of time to finish each hike, so no matter if the pack weight is wearing on me or not I had to keep going at a pace to finish on time. It was bad on my knees. In the wet, the pack got heavier and in the heat, the weight felt worse. I'm doing a serious weight cut before my next one.
@@elrey8876 I spent 20+ years in the army. Reconnaissance soldier, so I was very used to sneaking around carrying as little as possible. But there's an old army saying that "any fool can be uncomfortable", so you take what we call "snivel kit" for a little luxury. The joy of civilian hiking, as opposed to army hiking, is that you get to take all the snivel kit you want. My military skills are very useful for hiking but nobody should be snobby about what they take as opposed to what others take. I I agree with the other military guys on that.
I always appreciate your videos, well thought out and well-balanced content. I have back issues, so for me getting that weight down is very important. For others, it may be that the joy of camping at the end of the day is more important so they might carry more. There are so many reasons behind our choices for what we carry. Some carry for their dog. I think you shouldn't carry more than 30lb. just for the sake of your back. But there are those that have done so for years and feel comfortable doing so. People usually figure it out if they are determined enough to do it. I think it more important not to criticize someone's choices, if they are struggling, encourage them and give suggestions, but don't judge their decisions. Not your place. Thanks Dixie.
Saw an old infantry saying the other day on a forum: "Travel light, freeze at night." Perhaps in the thru-hike context "Travel too light" would be more apropos. ;-) I think too many people look at it as arithmetic, when it's really multi-variable calculus. Excessively light might move you down the trail faster, but if it doesn't keep you on the trail it's not a good strategy. Sacrificing comfort for weight provides diminishing returns in my estimation. If you're comfortable, happy, and have a manageable weight you're going to have fun, it's that simple. That said, if you need a dutch oven to be "comfortable" then you're probably in the wrong pursuit!
As always Dixie you hit the topics that have been on my mind for the last few weeks. My biggest problem, as far as weight for my big 3 is concerned, is going to be my tent. I have used ultralight tents in the past and I was not impressed. Which is why i stayed with my Kelty Salida 2. A little bit heavier than say a UL2 but so much more convenient as far as setup and take down goes. Im going to augment it with a stand alone tarp instead of the rain-fly that comes with it. Great videos. Please keep them coming and I cant wait for your CDT series. Cheers from New England.
I don't think anyone really appreciates how hard it would be recording yourself whilst thru hiking. Just thru hiking alone must be such a challenge. All the times you walk back and forth for walking past shots. And times you need to do something or have your hands full or are just overwhelmed. And many other reasons I don't know because I haven't thru hiked or really hiked at all. So much respect to you for thru hiking alone, but recording a lot of it. Incredible!!!!!
My challenge this past year has been in finding suitable alternatives to _every_ piece of gear I have that reduces weight *and* maintains or increases comfort. Granted, the gear I'm replacing is all the bad-choice newbie selections that I made in 1996, so much of it has been simple technical improvements. So while I'm critical of every single item and I'm analyzing everything in terms of grams, I also don't care about getting a UL gold star sticker. Going from a 52 lb pack to a 18 lb pack is more than enough reward on my knees which I damaged in '96. To do that, and still hike in luxury, has been its own reward.
I am new to your channel and I love watching your videos. I Thru-hiked the Tahoe Rim Trail and I did not have the lightest equipment...I still don't! It was and still is the longest backpacking trip I done and on the trip I was comfortable and I enjoyed the entire trip it was a positive life changing experience for me and 10 years later I still see the effect that Thru-hiking the Tahoe Rim Trail had on me. As a Boy Scout leader I always try to teach my Scout that what matters is just getting out on nature and enjoying the simple things and getting away from the things that does not matter and distracts us in our busy lives!
I agree. My base weight is 9 kg (20 pounds) included fishing gear for Finland's Lapland conditions. Usually for two week hike I need 9 kg of food. So 50 % of total weight is food. But I do not need any water filters and I can drink water directly from the river and lakes and I don't have to carry water at all.
This is true with say the packs but my DCF tent and my quilt are very well made. I think only the packs tend to be an issue. My Zpacks Arc Blast had held up very well. I don’t miss the extra weight one bit. It’s actually been a game changer. UL all the way.
Good morning young lady! You are exactly right. Stay as light as you can, of course...but carry what YOU need or want. Thanks again for the pragmatic advice!
Thank you! I'd really like to get a lighter tent, sleeping pad, pack, etc... but it's all pretty expensive, and hard to justify when my gear performs well already, and some of that UL gear wears out quickly. It's been lots of fun to weigh my gear and make lists on Lighterpack, but the pressure to lose more weight is annoying. I guess it's one thing if you're trying to hike long miles, but if you're just trying to get outside and hike a few miles a day, it doesn't really matter as long as you can carry your pack without hurting yourself.
Great video! I have been struggling with this for months. I am hiking from Juneau, Alaska to Skagway. A distance of just over 50 miles. No trails, no people, and really no help. Then after I get to Skagway I am hiking the Chilkoot Trail. My weight minus food and water is at 33 pounds but this includes a firearm that weighs more than my sleeping bag and a packraft and paddles. Luckily my backpack is very comfortable. I have tried over and over going camping without certain items and my comfort level goes way down. So I just said the heck with it. This is more about my experience on the trip. Keep up the good work.
I love hearing everyone's ideas of how to lighten packs, because I just do so much better with a lighter pack. I've never even weighed my base weight, usually I just weight my pre-water pack to make sure it is under 20. I totally agree and thank you for pointing out that it is not a competition or up to anyone else in the end how much each person pack weighs. I appreciate people that help me to pack smarter in the future, both online and my friends that I hike with. I like thinking about how it is a delicate balance between comfort while hiking and comfort at the camp. If I sleep better while out there due to an extra item like a pillow or hot meal, it will make the whole trip better over all. :)
I appreciate this infinitely!! You are so right, and if the HYOH should have one place in the world, it is for this debate about base weight! Thank you so much for putting this out there, but even more, THANK YOU FOR STANDING BEHIND YOUR DECISIONS! You are such a strong woman to hold your position on the matter and not only not allow yourself to be bullied, but also not criticizing ‘the other side’. I admire your confidence! As I’m preparing for my thru-hike of the AT, you have inspired me to stop the base weight comparison and focus on hiking my own hike/carrying my own pack!
Absolutely love your channel. At 48, I've been camping for the better part of 35 yrs but I'm just now going on my first "backpacking" trip this coming weekend with my oldest son. You come off as so down to earth and real. Keep up the great work! Take care!
I'm glad you brought up this topic, because I've always been concerned with the competitiveness of trying to have the lowest base weight. I work with 11-17 yr olds in scouting, and I just want to get them outdoors. I keep a regular list of items that get kids/adults on trail for under $500. The more you get people out, the more they can adjust what they carry through trial and error. I've watched many videos of hikers with 6 lb to 8 lb base weights and I shake my head. Though I stil aim for a 16 lb or less base weight, I usually have a bulkier first aid kit and more 'just in case' items that keep my base weight higher. Plus, as someone over 50 yrs old now, the comfort of an Osprey, a Gregory Baltoro, etc., should not be discounted. I do bring a Sea to Summit pillow, BTW. Can't leave it at home.
It amazes (but not surprises) me how a lot of people take baggage with them that you only see when they “open their mouth”. One gets out on the trail to leave the woes of the world behind... and it seems some do not get it. I do love your videos and pray that someday I can do a through-hike. Keep up your great work, stay safe and God bless😇
You don't know how much I enjoyed and needed this video today. Wish there was a love button. Preparing for a backpacking class tonight and was stressing. You are so insightful and helped this 60 year old nubie. Thank you!
My first time on the Ouachita trail, I researched for months about weight, water, food, gear etc... and still I began it with a pack that was waaaaaaaaay too heavy. My shuttle driver was so kind not to say anything until 2 years later on my second (and lighter) attempt when we both chuckled about my book knowledge and lack of real life experience.
My lord is this a refreshing TH-cam backpacking vid. People have been thru and section hiking for decades and decades and enjoying themselves with heavier gear. Dropping weight is rarely a bad thing, but I think there's way too much obsession over it the last few years. This is a good message you're putting out.
It all comes down to how much you want to spend vs how much you are willing to carry. For some it’s all about weight , for others their comfort ideas mean more. You have to find the balance for you and not worry about anyone else. Keep up the great videos
Good, advice - It's all about balance. Just been watching vlogs by John Zahorian, who really pushes it with a 6-7lb base weight. Saw him exhausted because he'd been too cold to sleep, struggling under a big load of food because he uses a frameless sack, risking his life on a dangerous snow field because he wasn't carrying any form of traction, and running out of food a full days walk from a resupply. It seems to work for him, but personally I'm not going to go through that kind of stress just to save a handful of pounds. On the other hand, surveys show that hikers with really big packs have a significantly higher failure rate on the triple crown trails. You have to find your own sweet spot.
Thank you Dixie. Valid and necessary discussion. Its actually very relevant to me currently as we are planning our CDT section hike of the Wind Rivers this summer. As always thank you for being the "reasonable voice of reason".
A very spot on video about base weight! Not a long distance hiker, I thru hike 5 to 40 miles in Colorado and my base weight has evolved over 20 years. I constantly try to get lighter, then more comfortable. A little lighter than that, then a little more comfortable. I have found that I can live with a lot less, but there are some things I need, too. It is a compromise with oneself that can be won. If you get out to enjoy nature, we all win! I helped build several miles of the PCT near the town of Onyx while in the CCC's in the 80's. It is good to hear all the stories from the PCT thru hikers, because that experience drove my quest to become a "minimalist backpacker", which was the term I used back then. My average base weight is about 18 lbs. depending on the trip.
Thanks Dixie. Great work, great consistency. Most serious long distance hikers do think about base weight and like anyone who has a serious hobby we are going to know about and want the newest and best that's available, to a point. But in the end...Hike Your Own Hike is the only way. Just get out there start slow and keep moving.
Davianna Briche Thank you! Yeah, I agree. Lowering your weight is always a good as long as you’re still comfortable enough with that change. I just wanted to express that it’s not a contest (unless you want it to be). Thank you so much for watching and commenting :)
You're so right that skills and experience are part of what allows one to cut weight. Watching your AT videos, I was very impressed that you arrived at so many smart choices without any prior BPing experience. Pre-forums, pre-internet, it took me 10 years and a few hundred nights to go from an odd collection of traditional gear, to too much gear, to over-compensating to "stupid light" (no tent, stove, or sleeping bag at 10,000 feet in the Sierra) and arriving at a comfortable-for-me 17-ish pound base weight back in the early 80s. Then, 10 years ago, taking our young kids on trips, I dropped more weight so we, as old farts, could more comfortably get out there.
I also feel like people forget that not everybody who watches these videos is trying to go on a thru hike. Most of the people making these videos are long distances backpackers who are out there for the challenge and that makes sense, you all have the most experience, but your audience isn’t the same. I live in a city and the purpose of backpacking for me is to get away from crowded designated camping areas and explore nature. I actually want to spend a lot of time at camp, so hiking half of the day and chilling the rest. In my case weight is somewhat important, but so are luxuries, since I’m not just eating and falling asleep. I really love how thorough and non judgmental your videos are. I would not have been able to put together a smart pack without your guidance.
The best advice I have ever seen or heard given by real experience. Being a trained Scout Master who have taught these things this is true. What you need and your base weight is dependent on your experience and skill. If you don't have experience or little skill and experience then you will have to compensate with extra weight and gear. That's the bottom line for safety and comfort. But as you gain in experience and skill alot of those things you once needed you most likely no longer need. So when buying and packing your gear I like to say pack according to your skill level and experience not worry about weight as much. Quite simply it won't be a enjoyable hike if you don't feel safe because you was afraid to add that extra bit of weight. If weight is too much for you then likely maybe you need to seek some training to improve skill before going out. That way some of those things you once needed no longer need to be part of your carry weight. Dixie is one of the best you tubers for research and advice on hiking and camping. True common sense with her added real life experience and skill she has acquired on the trail.
I am about the same base weight, I just did a four part series and came out at 18lbs. Yes, I want to be at 15 but, as I had mentioned previously, it is about efficiency and comfort (in dealing with those issues which keep you on trail). For me, I can deal with anything if I can get some rest and, yes, I admit that I like the morale boost of some hot chow, so I start the AT in Feb with a higher base weight than I would prefer. The logic and presentation of your perspective is what’s so important, we aren’t all the same, and it is more about how we decided for ourselves rather than what others decided for themselves. Great job Dixie, you’re the best.
Dixie, this is one of the better videos you have done, thanks for posting it. I really think some utubers need to provide better context to weight consideration as you have done. My own belief is that some folks in the hiking community are doing a disservice to less experienced hikers by banging the UL/LW drum to loud and not providing better context about proper planning factors such as weight carried to body weight / strength ratios and capability / cost to weight considerations. In some cases, I think some in the UL industry and some folks accepting free gear for reviews are creeping sales pitches for expensive gear into what most people believe are honest appraisals. In other cases, I suspect others believe that lighter pack weight means they are somehow a better hiker. Anyway, again, great video and thanks for putting out some additional perspective we often don’t see. I’m starting the CDT in March, so maybe I’ll see you on the trail. If you are doing another challenge at the time, I will be sure to heat a cup of coffee for you.
Great video . I try to be conscious of my base weight and keep it as modest as I can., My gear is not UL and I have an Opsrey pack. I try to stay in the mid 20's as a goal and that's just to keep me in check so as not to carry a lot of wasted weight. Each trip varies depending on trail time and weather for me. Love your inputs and really like that you are non judgemental in your posts. You have a down home country gal kind of way about you that makes it easy for me to listen to your videos. Always be yourself and always keep moving. Peace to you in your travels.
Well said. It is about the journey, not the destination. :) My 2 oz pillow allows me a good night's sleep, and that makes the next day way more enjoyable. You stated everything well.
What I love about your videos is that you really support inclusivity for new hikers that may not be the richest, most dit, etc. You’re an encouragement for those toeing the line and about to vault over.
Nothing wrong with Walmart tents - they are inexpensive and ultralight. 2016, my tent was 3 lbs., 2017 tent was 2.5 lbs. 2018, my new Walmart tent us $15 and weighs 1 lb. 7 oz. My tents all keep me dry and have never failed me on the PCT. Ultralight gear does NOT guarantee success for FKT or a thru-hike. If you need 40 lbs. of stuff to survive or mentally keep going, then you need it. Period. Carry the things that you feel you need. If you need more or less or another brand of something, you can swap out, mail back or buy along your journey or give to another needy hiker.
Pineapple I have several Walmart tents, all made by Ozark Trail. The reason they are so light is because they are made for kids. I am 5’4, and that is the max height you can be once they stretch out a bit. My lightest tent is a 5x3 and I can fit both me and my husky inside. The tent is 15, but I splurged and bought the seam sealer and waterproofing spray for it, adding another $15 to the cost. Since I have a dog, I also cut a piece of blue tarp for the inside floor of the tent. I cut a piece of mosquito netting that I can clip to the large door for added ventilation. I can do a video showing you my system. Recently, I bought another Ozark tent that is almost identical to the REI quarter dome and it was only $30 and at 4.4 pounds, it comfortably fits 2 adults over 6 feet plus gear. As it has super thick flooring, it does not need added ground protection. If you look at my PCT videos from 2016 and 2017, you can see all my various sleep systems. This year, I may just go with a hammock system and no tent as we’re in a drought year here on the west coast.
Thank you so much for this video, Dixie!! I'm 2 weeks away from section hiking the PCT and although I've tried to stay light, i enjoy being comfortable. I'm not worried about people judging me for how big my pack may look because I know it's all there to help me be the best I can be while on the trail and as long as I follow trail etiquette, and succeed in my own mind, nobody else will stop me by making me feel inadequate.
Great advice -- go light, but don't obsess. When I think back (a long way back) I'm amazed at the loads we used to carry in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. All my gear now is 50-75% lighter than what I used to carry, and it's great. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Dixie, Base weight is important to understand that it's used for measuring purposes. For us new hikers we'll figure it out with time on the trail. I'm not losing sleep over my base weight, I'm going enjoy hiking and learn as I go, I'm planning to balance comfort , weight & purpose just like you said. Thanks & love your videos! Steady Plodder.... out!
Thanks Dixie! This needed to be said. A lot. I've personally never had the money to chase the ultralight dream so have hiked w/ 50# before. Getting older I may not want to do it again, but in reality a young healthy body won't know the difference between 40# and 50# given 2 weeks. I did a lot of backpacking one summer as a job and on my last hike out some coworkers put 3 grapefruit size rocks in my pack. I thought it felt heavier when I put it on, but chalked it up to having just fill with water. A few hours later I was no worse for wear when I opened my pack to find the rocks and some laughs.
In all these years I've never weight my backpacking gear yet!!! Thank you very much for your videos, Dixie. Very entertaining and informative. Enjoy the outdoors, keep on hiking!
Your video is exactly on point. I have noticed this myself in a post I did recently on a particular Facebook page in a question about the big 3 (pack, tent, sleep system) in temps from 0-20 degrees. As a qualified former Army Winter Operations instructor who has spent multiple days living out of a backpack in cold weather environments several times I can guarantee what I listed for equipment was a lot different than the rest of the posts. I was looked down on even though I used a majority of civilian gear but it wasn't necessarily ultralight or trendy. People do need to find the point of comfort, safety, and knowledge in comparison to weight. I also love coffee being a military retiree but I can’t stand instant coffees. Instead I use a Toaks 450 mil cup and a collapsible strainer. It’s not as convenient and more trash weight but I get multiple cups out of each paper filter and grounds. It’s a great tradeoff for me.
The best way to figure out what you need and what you don't is to get out there on a local backpack and you'll soon learn. Of course, before that, watch Dixie's excellent channel but that goes without saying! :-)
Hi Dixie....Being familiar with "base weights", I actually read the comments on your post to see what was being said about HYOH. I know that wasn't the basis of your message but it did come up so I'd like to comment. I dont think anyone expects you to be the Matriarch of Hiking but you have such a great platform for information and a dedicated following that you could maybe be the the catalyst for making HYOH what it always has been and should continue to be. If LNT was losing its meaning by misuse, we (the vast majority anyway) would be bold about helping to make it what it should be. While perhaps not as environmentally important as LNT, HYOH is intrinsically important to the heart and soul of hiking. Its about accepting hikers for who they are and allowing their own choices when they hike. Its definitely not about throwing out a phrase so you can infringe on the environment or the rights of others. I like HYOH and I'll continue to use it and try to help others understand when they use it as a license to do that which is in contrast to its true meaning.
Watching this significantly after it was made but still saying that this message rings true. I've been agonizing over base weight, and within my budget I won't be able to go under 16 lbs (which, as a petite woman, seems like a lot). Knowing that you are now a triple crowner and were able to hike just fine with those base weights is a relief, and also another note that I'll be out there for me, not for anyone else. :)
I can dig it. I’m currently working to lighten the load for the exact reason you said. I simply want less weight for comfort. The other part is I want to connect more when I’m out on the trail. I feel like taking less helps to simplify what I’m doing out there. I am also entertained by seeing where I can cut weight. I agree though, don’t stress on it for most folks, but do encourage people to cut the excess. Keep up the great videos.
I agree definitely. Although i believe some get into backpacking and their weghts are so outrageous that they struggle are so sore and miserable that they are reluctant to try it again. Soooo i believe having the weight thing in the back of your mind whilst choosing gear but like you said don't stress to hard over it. The more you just get out and hike the more it allows you to understand what it is you would like to change and can better select gear for your needs. Great topic Dixie as always. Keep them videos coming and may you never run out of trail and adventure and wonder.
Thanks for discussing this topic! I clearly see that each person has their own purpose and will manage their base weight accordingly. My base weight is 27 lbs. Now before you freak out, let me say that I am more than 100 lbs overweight. Shaving a few lbs. from my base weight isn't as important as protecting my knees by getting a tent that has an opening that doesn't involve crawling in and out on bad knees. (weight penalty of 4 lbs.) I'll be taking both a ThermaRest foam and an inflatable Sea to Summit sleep pad (2.5 lb weight penalty). Those two adjustments will be key to my ability to hike. Am I excited at the prospect of carrying additional weight that I otherwise wouldn't need? No. But, I AM EXCITED to hike!
Fantastic. I too am seeing a lot of hikers start to forget the basic HYOK trail etiquette. If somebody wants help getting their base weight down, jump in and help them. Otherwise, feel free to be proud and tell us about your gear, but stop short of criticizing any other hiker. Hike Your Own Hike also means letting everybody else hike theirs. I'm very glad to see you and Darwin putting this message out there.
I can completely understand this. I am planning my first thru-hike in 2022 (possibly 2021) of the AT. And I see so many people touting ultra light weight and super expensive gear. And I will definitely be on a somewhat limited budget.
It seems so many topics in life boil down to a pissing contest. Thank you for your perspective, I totally agree. There is no blanket answer that one thing is the best for everyone. In this case specifically, it's better to hike heavy than to not hike at all.
Can we start calling obsessing about gear before a hike, bike tour, canoe trip, etc, NESTING? Before my child was born, I saw my wife sort of lose her mind worrying about baby gear, and it was like looking into the mirror of me getting ready for an adventure of some sort. I feel the need to channel my nervous energy into preparing. Focusing on base weight seems practical mid winter, but it totally ignores what conditions that might exist when you finally begin. But then again its always helpful to look at everything and think 'do I truly need this?'
Haha! I'm a mom of two and this is spot on! Next time my husband asks me what I am doing I just might say, " I'm nesting the hiking will be hear soon".
Great video. I’m an avid backpacker but not a long distant, PCT, CDT, AT, thru hiker. I think there is a difference. Comfort being the deciding factor. For long distance thru hikes you need Not only a lighter base weight but a lighter overall weight to help your body cope with the long distance or it will break down. In this case you suffer camping comfort. For most other backpacking I choose camping comfort at a reasonable price. For example I like a free standing tent that is bomb proof. To pay an extra $300-$400 for a Cuban fiber light weight tent that shaves slightly more than a pound off doesn’t justify the expense. Also, I like a pillow, a full length air mattress, a comfortable backpack, a gravity water filter system, water proof mid boots, and a stove. I also like to fish so I bring a fishing setup. My goal is to keep the total weight to around 35-40 pounds. Which I easily can do with all the comforts I require. Would I take this on a long distant thru hike? Probably not. If/when I do I would reconfigure my whole setup. To do those miles requires a much lighter setup. IMO...
As a first time hiker later this year, I think I needed to see this! Thank you. I was really starting to stress about my base weight and gear choices so far.
Finding that equilibrium point is the goal for me. I would add this, though. As I get older (48 now), the more my body appreciates a lighter load. I don't think I ever had a baseweight over about 20 lbs., but even cutting it down to about 10 lbs. for 3-season trips has made a huge difference on how much better my body feels on the trail. Also, I had an orthopedist tell me that doing a lot of carrying heavy loads can do long term damage to your joints (especially knees and back) over time, even for people who are very physically strong and have no problem carrying the weight.
Great video Dixie. The point is to get out there and as you progress so will your desire to cut the weight. With every hiking trip, I see someone with a new item or a new way of doing something. My pack, tent, and sleep system are so different than seven years ago when I started section hiking the AT. Just get out there, it does not matter if you have the best gear or the lightest sleeping bag. It takes time and lots of money to achieve the best/lightest gear setup.
Hi Dixie! Thanks for answering my question from yesterday's Q & A in great detail. As a patron to u. I especially appreciate you carrying extra weight to bring us. High quality video's. Thank you very much! God Bless you!
This is a great video and channel. All this arguing over weight is silly. When I was younger the talk was how much weight you could carry over what distance. How little your pack weighed was not something you dared boast about. You bought better equipment which may have been lighter, but you bought it because it was better not lighter. I liked the idea of light and ultralight hiking but no one I knew called it that. I enjoyed a good few ultralight trips with only my field jacket as tent and sleep system and canned goods in my pack. Base weight about 4lb. Only the weight of the pack, a pot to cook in, and spoon. Clean them with sand. I thought i was in heaven when i got a liner for my field jacket. This new light stuff is great.
“I don’t really like pillows in real life”....epic! Proof that hiking is the great escape! Thank you for sharing your experiences and bringing your views to light. Truly valued!
It has always amazed me how people get so excited about the weight other people are donkeying down the trail. I'm thinking with time most people figure out whats to much weight. When I started hiking no one was talking about base weight. People carried what the wanted to carry, and if it was to heavy, we shredded the weight the next time we hit the trail... eventually you figured out what you really needed. I know for me after about seven days on the trail, I know exactly what I'm are going to leave and what I wish I had... Love your videos
Planning my first thru hike, the Florida Trail. I bough the Katadyn Pocket filet, WAY heavy compared to others, but, I like having the high quality build, I like to have the higher volume pump, . I also bought the windburner from MSR, because I wanted to cook. I hate the wind blowing out the flame, etc. I bought a kelty 0 dri bag, for winter. Heavier. I think the " do your own hike" think is it. I will use these quality pieces, and, I might change my ideas after wards, so Ill start with what I feel good with, and see if I feel like changing it up after I do my hike. I should say, I did a 4 day hike in the Gila, and I think my pack was about 60 lbs LOL. It has come way down with a bit of practice. Well see if it changes again. Good advice here. Getting out there and getting it started, or done, is the point.
You can be comfortable hiking or camping. You can choose one. The lighter you are, the more comfortable you are on the trail. The heavier you are, the more comfortable you are in camp. This, of course, is considering you have purchased good quality gear. Comfort items add weight. I have seen people toting chairs, real pillows, actual blankets, and heavy coffee systems. I've even seen people with full-size Coleman stoves. So this makes you ask yourself: Are you there to hike the trail as much as possible and only look at camping as a necessity between hiking or are you wanting to increase your enjoyment and comfort level, allowing yourself to move at a slower pace. You can also be anywhere on this sliding scale. I carry a good pound of crap that I don;t actually need, but it's worth the weight for my comfort level. YMMV
John Kennedy Absolutely! I did a video on that very realization. Section hikers can generally carry more luxuries than a thru hiker, but when does the focus shift from the hiking to the camping?
John Kennedy, Great points John, it seems we're on the same page on this topic...Camp comfort, for me, was my ''weakness'', which is why I was always a ''day'' (week) or ''section'' hiker...for me, the time spent in camp was as (more) important as ''making those miles'' on the trail...for me, the enjoyment came from communing with Nature, not the compulsive push to the next waypoint...Cheers.
So thankful for your comment. As a someone who is coming up on the 64th birthday, I am wanting to add to my bucket-list a through hike. I have followed both your hikes so far and learned quite a lot. Thank you. Small note...please lower your camera angle so we see you eye to eye...not looking down.
I love your perspective! I am a day hiker that wants to become a back packer and videos like your are giving me a lot to think about when I start doing local state parks in the spring.
I haven't been camping since I was a Boy Scout in the 70's. Even though I have no interest in backpacking I love your videos. However, I travel a lot for work. it's funny that without thinking about it since watching your videos I've downsized my luggage A LOT. It is so much easier to pack when I don't take so many changes of clothing and "luxury items" that I carry but haven't used in years. Thanks!
Stumbled across your channel while planning my first "long distance" hike (160 miles, I'm in Europe so it's all relative 😜) you've got some great, common sense advice. There seem to be so many channels that just concentrate on ultralight minimalism, but I like the idea of coffee and oatmeal while watching the sun rise 👍
This topic always reminds me of Granny Gatewood. She did the AT twice with tennis shoes and home made gear. Basically all cotton and traditional wool. Was so early in the AT history there were basically no hiker amenities and no trail angels along the way.
Excellent video. Just knowing what base weight is and what amount of weight others carry is very useful for a beginner… helps to gauge what is needed. If I had known this a few years back on my first overnight (2 nights) trip into the Flat Tops in Colorado, I would have reconsidered hauling in 60 lbs of gear on my back.
I am currently working on my base weight, not because others say it’s necessary but with shoulder issues in the past I want to be able to hike and backpack into old age. When I fist got back into hiking and backpacking (thanks to you Dixie) I didn’t want to spend crazy amounts of money util I was sure I was going to stick with it (now it’s a healthy addiction). As in all aspects of life focus on your journey and not the Na sayers and life with be a joy.
Great advice! Nailed that on the head! I feel the same way! I love your videos, I’ll bet that they have already helped a ton of people get out there and have improved something in there life!
At 71 y.o. I wish I knew in my 20's and 30's how my heavy choices were going to affect my health at this stage of my life. Bad ankles, sore hips, knee replacements, back trama, and others. I wish I understood light and ultralight back then. I would have embraced it whole heartedly as much as I do now.
When I started hiking as a Scout most of us had military surplus, we carried tarps, cloth sleeping bags, cotton clothes, and steel mess kits, we also carried hatchets, knives, saws, canvas tents, metal canteens and believe it or not-canned food. Once.we Weighed them as we argued who’s packs weighed more. Johnny carried 110 lbs, mine was 85 lbs which was 5 lbs more than I weighed at the time. No pack frames back then and here in the PNW it often rains soaking everything making it even heavier. My knife was a WW2 Kbar my marine Sergeant father gave me. We hiked like 20 miles or less but by the time we got there and took off those packs it felt like you might fly away. Lol. Times have changed, that’s for sure.
You and Darwin each have solid and reasonable videos regarding base weight and from opposite ends of the same argument. Both of you focus on why it's important but not the cornerstone of known truth. "Never let perfection stop you from having a good time." Thanks for keeping hysteria out of discussing a controversial subject.
30 Years ago when I first started backpacking a 40-50 pound pack was normal and people still completed the AT. It is easier these days with lighter gear but you are absolutely correct, Weight is not a deal breaker. Love your videos!!!
I find the whole issue of baseweight entertaining. When I started out backpacking many many years ago those that could carry the most weight were viewed as the ones to be admired. Added weight meant more comfort in camp and or better food. I have just as much admiration for those who could carry an 80 lb. pack as those who can manage with an 8 lb one. They each present different challenges. What I do detest is people being critical of those who can’t afford expensive gear. In many cases the cheapest gear today is still better than the best gear available 30 years ago and yet people managed to enjoy themselves. You don’t need to spend big dollars to enjoy the outdoors.
By the sound of it, you could just start with a pack and pick up all the discarded gear and food you want in hikers boxes.
I wouldnt be surprised if the people offering pack shakedowns are motivated by reselling the gear people leave behind.
Yes yes yes...you get it my man(or woman)...
Same - when I started 25 years ago we carried some horribly inefficient gear, especially when it came to tents. There is SOME validity to worrying about base weight in that you don’t want to cause injury, but if your body can handle it, then cheap gear gives you an opportunity to get out there and build your stamina.
@@spoothed There are some girls I've seen online carrying packs that look like they weigh 50 lbs or more on their backs for days on end. They're smiling and happy in the videos, but one has to wonder what that means for their long-term health.
@@thunderbird1921 It means its BETTER. These are "girls", young and in the prime of their lives. If you're 50+ Hell yeah worry about your base weight, you can't recover fast anymore and only get weaker with permanent injuries. HARD exercise when you're young has lasting positive effects throughout your lifetime. Go learn the basics about health before talking crap.
The people at my rei are now telling customers that homemade wanderlust is a great youtube channel to look at and that u give great advice
Marianna L That’s really cool!
@@SteveZ1 LOL :o)
I agree, Dixi is more attractive then Darwin lol
REI did a video about choosing the right headlamp. They filmed it on a bright sunny day. What is up with that?? 🤔
@@HomemadeWanderlust lllppppppppppppo
I love this video. I carry what I carry. You carry what you carry, we both are happy and that is the essence. Thank You.
Stomper Barr totally agree with you on that!
Base weight is relative to the size of the hiker. A 5’2” woman who weighs 110lbs isn’t going to have as heavy equipment as a 6’2” man with broad shoulders who weighs 200lbs (me). I need “wide, long” sleeping bags to accommodate my height and shoulder width. I also need a bag or quilt rated for a lower temperature because I get cold at night. I need slightly bigger tents as well, because most standard tents aren’t long enough or wide enough to accommodate me and my gear. I wear larger clothing, which means more weight in fabric. I have a long torso, which means I have to have a larger pack just to fit me properly. I definitely want to get my base weight as low as I reasonably can in order to reduce the stress on my body, but at the same time comparing base weights between hikers really has no purpose.
I agree. And that 5'2" woman (like me) also isn't as strong as you are. (There are exceptions of course, but overall, women do not possess the upper body strength of men.) Every person has to decide, first what they are ABLE to carry, and second, what they WANT to carry. Different answers for different people.
Thank you Dixie!! It is so refreshing to hear an experienced person such as you, and as a woman not stress base weight. I have gone through my gear many times now and just no way can I get it any lighter without spending money I don't have and can't afford or sacrificing needed comfort and therefore enjoyment. I researched thoroughly and worked to find a balance of weight, functionality and budget. At age 77, a small woman (even shorter than I used to be) I find that I can't handle some of the discomforts of my youth any longer plus I have some medical requirements such as sleeping with my torso on an incline, I need cushion under me and a pad wider than 20" so my knees and hips don't scream at me. I also can't do the long mile days so I need more food in my pack. All the emphasis on low base weights had begun to make me feel like I was somehow failing or was missing something. I have a base weight of 22 lbs and when I add in food, water and personals I'll be carrying 35 to 37 lbs. So, unable to lighten the load I've been working on strength and stamina. On my 4th training hike ( I will be doing the JMT this Aug) I managed 27 lbs up 2900' (to a crest at 8600') in 4 miles + another 2 miles without elevation. .It took me 5.5 hrs. I'll be increasing the weight this next outing. At the elevations of the Sierra Mountains I was only managing 5.5 miles per day. I'm working to get that to 7 miles, and, of course, will train at higher elevations. Keep inspiring us and supporting us, Dixie. You rock.
So I know this comment is old as heck, but... in case you're still active on here, I'm curious what you use for an incline. I sleep at home on one, and there may come a time when I need that incline elsewhere.
Also wanted to add how immensity inspiring it is to hear, as a younger woman, how women 60 and beyond are getting out there and taking names. 🖤
@@sheenajae I made an incline from plastiboard (like is used for political and other signs. ) It was egg crate style so I could take it apart to pack. It is light weight. The egg crate architecture gives it rigidity and strength. I've also put my boots at my head and laid my pack over those . I put my extra clothing on top to pad it and raise it, then my sleeping pad. Both ways worked for me. I have an inflatable wedge pillow, but it is too heavy and takes too long to inflate to be practical. I'm now 81, sidelined from hiking as I recover from injuries. Initially I broke my hip in my driveway, recovered well and while hiking this past winter, I slipped on ice. The jerking around, avoiding a fall, sprained my hip, the adductor muscles and injured some tendons. My therapist promises I will be on the trail again. I'm recovering and believe I'll hike again. I want to section hike most of the Southern section of the Arizona Trail. The Southern terminus is near me.
Thanks for addressing this. The ultra light obsession on the internet is really discouraging and just seems to be a pissing contest of who can afford the newest thing (with little talk of actual hiking).
Keep up the good work!
I once did the AT in a couple of hours. For those who want to beat that time: it wasn't even a very fast plane.
And no worries about bears!
Hahaha!
Yes but your an elitist on the trail because you used an "Ultralight" Airplane. Didn't you. Admit it! lol
Bravo, ROFL.
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Hey, when I was walking the Camino, which was my first long-distance-hike, I completely over-geared while being under-trained, took tons of unnecessary stuff with me and ended up with 18 kg (40 lbs), and told myself i could force my body to adapt and become stronger with willpower. Well, all it did was that i completely destroyed my left knee, which to this day is giving me problems, 4 years later. It also overstrained my body in other horrible ways, and that combined with the daily heat of 38 degrees Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) brought my stubborn self to a point where my life was in severe danger from heatstroke. I'm never ever going to carry more than 9 kg (20 lbs) baseweight anymore.
So, think of your joints when thinking about pack-weight! Because your body has limitations that can not be overcome by willpower, and every little bit of weight saved means that you have a higher chance of staying injury-free and successful on your thu-hike.
As someone who is just starting out hiking, this comment is gold. I’ve been looking for an idea of what’s considered a ‘heavy’ base weight and ‘light’...like in actual pounds. I think for anyone starting out, who’s not doing long hikes for weeks on end, it matters less. I guess I’ll just figure it out...thankfully your comment will remind me its better stay on the lighter side...thanks
This comment makes me think about how important it is to do shake down hikes. 10-20 miles overall gives a great idea if you are overweight and what you need and don't without the stress of pushing yourself for the first time doing a long haul.
@@jkarasta1 Hey, I'm glad my comment is actually helping someone, i didn't even expect anybody to read it. The most important rule is: you have to be used to it. I know people who carry heavy baseweights and are fine, because they train their bodies properly and take it slow. For people who do actual expedition-type hikes into the wilderness with no possiblity to resupply, 40 lbs isn't even that much.
Hurlgoathiker on TH-cam for example is a guy who carries a lot of stuff, and he's completely fine. So the rule is: don't be an idiot like me and slowly work your way up to the distance and the baseweight that you want, and you'll be fine.
So true. I'm pretty sick of ultralight snobs as in people who prioritize their pack weight then think they're better than anybody who has a heavier pack. It's not a competition, everybody, and for me anyway part of going on a thru hike is to get away from judgmental people.
Jay Wanders Out People are a less snobby about it in person than online, thank goodness 😉
Jay Wanders Out my base weight is negative 14.35836lbs..
Jay Wanders Out And who will the ultralight 5 lb. base weight snob turn to for a warm blanket and hot chocolate when they are shivering from hypothermia in the middle of the wilderness???!!!
Phoenix Genesis I haven't met anyone with a 5 lb base weight yet, but I do overnighters with an eleven lb winter pack, with 2quarts of water, tent, alcohol stove, dinner and breakfast. On the trail weight. I'm perfectly warm and safe. Its all about choices, gear that keeps you cozy and comfortable, and performs like a heavier piece. None of my gear is ultralite. Most is from 2nd hand stores. Videos on my channel. Its choices and testing, and weighing things on the kitchen digital scale. Good trails partner.
Yea, too many snowflake soy boys who can't ruck 10% of their own weight. Imagine bragging you have a base weight of 10 lbs cuz you are male feminist.
Pathetic. MAGA!
So you're telling me society brings their competitive, gear shaming qualities to the trail? That's the main reason I want to hike for 4-6 months, to escape that crap. Thanks for the vid, btw!
I think she's talking mostly about online forums where people are talking about planning. you're completely right, best way to avoid drama is too go outside and get offline.
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I have never encountered gear shame on the trail. Gear regret sure, but not shaming others.
You're very brave to do an entire video about base weight, given that nothing seems to make backpackers on social media more agitated and rabid than discussions about pack weight. Great points. And you're right to defend people who want to make their own decisions about their gear without being mocked for it . . . I admit that unlike you, I DO obsess about my base weight, given that I think it directly affects how my aging/old body feels at the end of each day -- and that adds up over a month-long plus hike. On the other hand, I hope I don't act superior or judgmental toward anyone else who makes a different choice about what gear to carry . . . By the way, when you start the CDT, are you thinking of any gear changes to get your base weight down or do you think you're finished with the calculation you described and have now arrived at exactly the correct base weight for you?
You and your sandals are an inspiration to all us aging old bodies!
@@kathycasey9153 Thank you!
I'm so happy to hear someone talk about reasonable balance when it comes to backpacking gear. Hiking long trails has had so much attention we get the message that all backpackers should be using these ultralight and extreemly expensive (and not really durable) pieces of gear that make perfect sense when doing 20 mile days, but aren't really necessary for the casual hiker doing 5-8 mile hikes. The vast majority of us can do fine with more "pedestrian" brands and slightly heavier loads because we're not going to carry them that far. Few people review those lower cost items. Thanks for not being one of those gear snobs.
Good morning! It's always a good day when we get a notice about a new Homemade Wanderlust video. Always something new to learn and think about. Especially love the 'spirit, grit and heart' comment. Yes, after seeing some other content on TH-cam, I was thinking , "Gee, maybe I should get a z-pack or some other light weight pack and take back my Osprey " (which has gotten rave reviews from many people). But I love many features of the Osprey and do not need the long distance benefits of a super light pack. Thanks for putting things in a practical perspective, Dixie. It's easy to get lost in all the conversations online. Your vids are the 'GPS' of backpacking videos; always keeping us on the common sense path. :-). Have a great week!
Say what they will, you hit the nail on the head! The rudeness of competition is a poor example of what backpacking is really about. Yes, you should go as light as you can, but, not at the expense of your own reason for being out there. Your mileage is phenomenal and that is great for you....for me, I've been around a bit longer, I have history on the southern end of the ATC, and I go to see the scenery. My ttypical day may only be 7 or so miles, but the sights, and sites, are what my hike is all about. Love your videos, and your views and I really think you should be out, in person, talking to hiking clubs, scout groups, etc. Thank you for the posts and videos, they are refreshing as well as encouraging!
Bob McElroy Thank you! Ive talked to some scouting groups since I’ve been home and spoke at a school last week. I really enjoy corrupting our youth, haha.
How much my pack weights? Enough to keep me warm, comfortable and safe.
People choose their obsessions: weight, comfort, safety, photography/video, etc, etc. Really, what I think (and what this video spoke to me as promoting) is that the key is balance and personalization. Understanding your own personal goals and desires is more important than trying to meet the obsessions of others. Whenever I’ve been told my pack is “too heavy” - I just like to say “maybe” and keep walking. There are extremes where I think things can be out of balance - and those are areas to consider improving. However, trying to meet someone else’s ideals is never a great idea (in my opinion). Kudos to you Dixie for going a little against the grain of UL. I’ll continue to take my “good” camera equipment on my hikes and cut weight when/where technology and cost permit.
I believe more commentary from the top experienced "hiking" gurus on TH-cam would help those just starting out. This is not a competition of elitists. This is every day people making hiking and new experiences a priority. Everyone can do this on their own terms.
I spent 13 years in the infantry and we walk everywhere. My bag was well over 20 pounds. Not counting our battle kit. My point is the body is capable handling alot of abuse. Ive had my bag on average 60 lbs. I get people wanting to go ultra light but i feel its not a requirement.
Military guys have always taught me useful hiking tips..always an assett on the trail.
Man, my pack has averaged about 45-50lbs the last two hikes I've done and it has just sucked the joy out of both of experiences. I had a finite amount of time to finish each hike, so no matter if the pack weight is wearing on me or not I had to keep going at a pace to finish on time. It was bad on my knees. In the wet, the pack got heavier and in the heat, the weight felt worse.
I'm doing a serious weight cut before my next one.
@@elrey8876 I spent 20+ years in the army. Reconnaissance soldier, so I was very used to sneaking around carrying as little as possible. But there's an old army saying that "any fool can be uncomfortable", so you take what we call "snivel kit" for a little luxury. The joy of civilian hiking, as opposed to army hiking, is that you get to take all the snivel kit you want. My military skills are very useful for hiking but nobody should be snobby about what they take as opposed to what others take. I I agree with the other military guys on that.
Military gear is great for first-time hikers. Inexpensive, indestructible and those sleeping bags are warm as F
@@robg1854 haven't heard the term snivel gear in years. Thanks for the memory😀
I always appreciate your videos, well thought out and well-balanced content. I have back issues, so for me getting that weight down is very important. For others, it may be that the joy of camping at the end of the day is more important so they might carry more. There are so many reasons behind our choices for what we carry. Some carry for their dog. I think you shouldn't carry more than 30lb. just for the sake of your back. But there are those that have done so for years and feel comfortable doing so. People usually figure it out if they are determined enough to do it. I think it more important not to criticize someone's choices, if they are struggling, encourage them and give suggestions, but don't judge their decisions. Not your place. Thanks Dixie.
Saw an old infantry saying the other day on a forum: "Travel light, freeze at night."
Perhaps in the thru-hike context "Travel too light" would be more apropos. ;-)
I think too many people look at it as arithmetic, when it's really multi-variable calculus. Excessively light might move you down the trail faster, but if it doesn't keep you on the trail it's not a good strategy. Sacrificing comfort for weight provides diminishing returns in my estimation. If you're comfortable, happy, and have a manageable weight you're going to have fun, it's that simple.
That said, if you need a dutch oven to be "comfortable" then you're probably in the wrong pursuit!
Tensor calculus more like it lol
This is a sensible comment. Thanks
I'm still trying to lose some of my base weight from the holidays ;). Thanks for sharing the video, informative as always! - Shane
DnSAdventures Hahaha! Aren’t we all!
that's your "resupply". I've got a big beer belly to shed before summer. Maybe it will be a counter weight for my backpack. LOL.
As always Dixie you hit the topics that have been on my mind for the last few weeks. My biggest problem, as far as weight for my big 3 is concerned, is going to be my tent. I have used ultralight tents in the past and I was not impressed. Which is why i stayed with my Kelty Salida 2. A little bit heavier than say a UL2 but so much more convenient as far as setup and take down goes. Im going to augment it with a stand alone tarp instead of the rain-fly that comes with it.
Great videos. Please keep them coming and I cant wait for your CDT series.
Cheers from New England.
I don't think anyone really appreciates how hard it would be recording yourself whilst thru hiking. Just thru hiking alone must be such a challenge. All the times you walk back and forth for walking past shots. And times you need to do something or have your hands full or are just overwhelmed. And many other reasons I don't know because I haven't thru hiked or really hiked at all. So much respect to you for thru hiking alone, but recording a lot of it. Incredible!!!!!
My challenge this past year has been in finding suitable alternatives to _every_ piece of gear I have that reduces weight *and* maintains or increases comfort. Granted, the gear I'm replacing is all the bad-choice newbie selections that I made in 1996, so much of it has been simple technical improvements. So while I'm critical of every single item and I'm analyzing everything in terms of grams, I also don't care about getting a UL gold star sticker. Going from a 52 lb pack to a 18 lb pack is more than enough reward on my knees which I damaged in '96. To do that, and still hike in luxury, has been its own reward.
I am new to your channel and I love watching your videos. I Thru-hiked the Tahoe Rim Trail and I did not have the lightest equipment...I still don't! It was and still is the longest backpacking trip I done and on the trip I was comfortable and I enjoyed the entire trip it was a positive life changing experience for me and 10 years later I still see the effect that Thru-hiking the Tahoe Rim Trail had on me. As a Boy Scout leader I always try to teach my Scout that what matters is just getting out on nature and enjoying the simple things and getting away from the things that does not matter and distracts us in our busy lives!
Totally agree, nobody touches my pillow👍🏻 :D
I agree. My base weight is 9 kg (20 pounds) included fishing gear for Finland's Lapland conditions. Usually for two week hike I need 9 kg of food. So 50 % of total weight is food. But I do not need any water filters and I can drink water directly from the river and lakes and I don't have to carry water at all.
My main issue with a lot of ultralight gear is while it is considerably more expensive it’s also considerably less durable.
This is true with say the packs but my DCF tent and my quilt are very well made. I think only the packs tend to be an issue. My Zpacks Arc Blast had held up very well. I don’t miss the extra weight one bit. It’s actually been a game changer. UL all the way.
Good morning young lady! You are exactly right. Stay as light as you can, of course...but carry what YOU need or want. Thanks again for the pragmatic advice!
Agree, but also must stay within what your body is able to carry, too. Older female here.
Thank you! I'd really like to get a lighter tent, sleeping pad, pack, etc... but it's all pretty expensive, and hard to justify when my gear performs well already, and some of that UL gear wears out quickly. It's been lots of fun to weigh my gear and make lists on Lighterpack, but the pressure to lose more weight is annoying. I guess it's one thing if you're trying to hike long miles, but if you're just trying to get outside and hike a few miles a day, it doesn't really matter as long as you can carry your pack without hurting yourself.
Great video! I have been struggling with this for months. I am hiking from Juneau, Alaska to Skagway. A distance of just over 50 miles. No trails, no people, and really no help. Then after I get to Skagway I am hiking the Chilkoot Trail. My weight minus food and water is at 33 pounds but this includes a firearm that weighs more than my sleeping bag and a packraft and paddles. Luckily my backpack is very comfortable. I have tried over and over going camping without certain items and my comfort level goes way down. So I just said the heck with it. This is more about my experience on the trip. Keep up the good work.
I love hearing everyone's ideas of how to lighten packs, because I just do so much better with a lighter pack. I've never even weighed my base weight, usually I just weight my pre-water pack to make sure it is under 20. I totally agree and thank you for pointing out that it is not a competition or up to anyone else in the end how much each person pack weighs. I appreciate people that help me to pack smarter in the future, both online and my friends that I hike with. I like thinking about how it is a delicate balance between comfort while hiking and comfort at the camp. If I sleep better while out there due to an extra item like a pillow or hot meal, it will make the whole trip better over all. :)
I appreciate this infinitely!! You are so right, and if the HYOH should have one place in the world, it is for this debate about base weight! Thank you so much for putting this out there, but even more, THANK YOU FOR STANDING BEHIND YOUR DECISIONS! You are such a strong woman to hold your position on the matter and not only not allow yourself to be bullied, but also not criticizing ‘the other side’. I admire your confidence! As I’m preparing for my thru-hike of the AT, you have inspired me to stop the base weight comparison and focus on hiking my own hike/carrying my own pack!
I always drop everything and watch when Dixie uploads!
jessXjessful 👍🏼👍🏼😂
Absolutely love your channel. At 48, I've been camping for the better part of 35 yrs but I'm just now going on my first "backpacking" trip this coming weekend with my oldest son. You come off as so down to earth and real.
Keep up the great work! Take care!
I'm glad you brought up this topic, because I've always been concerned with the competitiveness of trying to have the lowest base weight. I work with 11-17 yr olds in scouting, and I just want to get them outdoors. I keep a regular list of items that get kids/adults on trail for under $500. The more you get people out, the more they can adjust what they carry through trial and error. I've watched many videos of hikers with 6 lb to 8 lb base weights and I shake my head. Though I stil aim for a 16 lb or less base weight, I usually have a bulkier first aid kit and more 'just in case' items that keep my base weight higher. Plus, as someone over 50 yrs old now, the comfort of an Osprey, a Gregory Baltoro, etc., should not be discounted. I do bring a Sea to Summit pillow, BTW. Can't leave it at home.
It amazes (but not surprises) me how a lot of people take baggage with them that you only see when they “open their mouth”. One gets out on the trail to leave the woes of the world behind... and it seems some do not get it. I do love your videos and pray that someday I can do a through-hike. Keep up your great work, stay safe and God bless😇
You don't know how much I enjoyed and needed this video today. Wish there was a love button. Preparing for a backpacking class tonight and was stressing. You are so insightful and helped this 60 year old nubie. Thank you!
My first time on the Ouachita trail, I researched for months about weight, water, food, gear etc... and still I began it with a pack that was waaaaaaaaay too heavy. My shuttle driver was so kind not to say anything until 2 years later on my second (and lighter) attempt when we both chuckled about my book knowledge and lack of real life experience.
My lord is this a refreshing TH-cam backpacking vid. People have been thru and section hiking for decades and decades and enjoying themselves with heavier gear. Dropping weight is rarely a bad thing, but I think there's way too much obsession over it the last few years. This is a good message you're putting out.
It all comes down to how much you want to spend vs how much you are willing to carry. For some it’s all about weight , for others their comfort ideas mean more. You have to find the balance for you and not worry about anyone else. Keep up the great videos
Good, advice - It's all about balance. Just been watching vlogs by John Zahorian, who really pushes it with a 6-7lb base weight. Saw him exhausted because he'd been too cold to sleep, struggling under a big load of food because he uses a frameless sack, risking his life on a dangerous snow field because he wasn't carrying any form of traction, and running out of food a full days walk from a resupply. It seems to work for him, but personally I'm not going to go through that kind of stress just to save a handful of pounds. On the other hand, surveys show that hikers with really big packs have a significantly higher failure rate on the triple crown trails. You have to find your own sweet spot.
Failure rate? How about they decided they were done for one reason of another?
Thank you Dixie. Valid and necessary discussion. Its actually very relevant to me currently as we are planning our CDT section hike of the Wind Rivers this summer. As always thank you for being the "reasonable voice of reason".
A very spot on video about base weight! Not a long distance hiker, I thru hike 5 to 40 miles in Colorado and my base weight has evolved over 20 years. I constantly try to get lighter, then more comfortable. A little lighter than that, then a little more comfortable. I have found that I can live with a lot less, but there are some things I need, too. It is a compromise with oneself that can be won. If you get out to enjoy nature, we all win!
I helped build several miles of the PCT near the town of Onyx while in the CCC's in the 80's. It is good to hear all the stories from the PCT thru hikers, because that experience drove my quest to become a "minimalist backpacker", which was the term I used back then. My average base weight is about 18 lbs. depending on the trip.
Thanks Dixie. Great work, great consistency. Most serious long distance hikers do think about base weight and like anyone who has a serious hobby we are going to know about and want the newest and best that's available, to a point. But in the end...Hike Your Own Hike is the only way. Just get out there start slow and keep moving.
Davianna Briche Thank you! Yeah, I agree. Lowering your weight is always a good as long as you’re still comfortable enough with that change. I just wanted to express that it’s not a contest (unless you want it to be). Thank you so much for watching and commenting :)
You're so right that skills and experience are part of what allows one to cut weight. Watching your AT videos, I was very impressed that you arrived at so many smart choices without any prior BPing experience. Pre-forums, pre-internet, it took me 10 years and a few hundred nights to go from an odd collection of traditional gear, to too much gear, to over-compensating to "stupid light" (no tent, stove, or sleeping bag at 10,000 feet in the Sierra) and arriving at a comfortable-for-me 17-ish pound base weight back in the early 80s. Then, 10 years ago, taking our young kids on trips, I dropped more weight so we, as old farts, could more comfortably get out there.
I also feel like people forget that not everybody who watches these videos is trying to go on a thru hike. Most of the people making these videos are long distances backpackers who are out there for the challenge and that makes sense, you all have the most experience, but your audience isn’t the same.
I live in a city and the purpose of backpacking for me is to get away from crowded designated camping areas and explore nature. I actually want to spend a lot of time at camp, so hiking half of the day and chilling the rest. In my case weight is somewhat important, but so are luxuries, since I’m not just eating and falling asleep.
I really love how thorough and non judgmental your videos are. I would not have been able to put together a smart pack without your guidance.
Carry what makes you comfortable; carry what you're comfortable carrying. Excellent video!
One of the most informative channels. My wife and I are headed to the Grand Canyon and have found Dixie to provide the best information ..
The best advice I have ever seen or heard given by real experience. Being a trained Scout Master who have taught these things this is true. What you need and your base weight is dependent on your experience and skill. If you don't have experience or little skill and experience then you will have to compensate with extra weight and gear. That's the bottom line for safety and comfort. But as you gain in experience and skill alot of those things you once needed you most likely no longer need. So when buying and packing your gear I like to say pack according to your skill level and experience not worry about weight as much. Quite simply it won't be a enjoyable hike if you don't feel safe because you was afraid to add that extra bit of weight. If weight is too much for you then likely maybe you need to seek some training to improve skill before going out. That way some of those things you once needed no longer need to be part of your carry weight. Dixie is one of the best you tubers for research and advice on hiking and camping. True common sense with her added real life experience and skill she has acquired on the trail.
I am about the same base weight, I just did a four part series and came out at 18lbs. Yes, I want to be at 15 but, as I had mentioned previously, it is about efficiency and comfort (in dealing with those issues which keep you on trail). For me, I can deal with anything if I can get some rest and, yes, I admit that I like the morale boost of some hot chow, so I start the AT in Feb with a higher base weight than I would prefer. The logic and presentation of your perspective is what’s so important, we aren’t all the same, and it is more about how we decided for ourselves rather than what others decided for themselves. Great job Dixie, you’re the best.
Dixie, this is one of the better videos you have done, thanks for posting it. I really think some utubers need to provide better context to weight consideration as you have done. My own belief is that some folks in the hiking community are doing a disservice to less experienced hikers by banging the UL/LW drum to loud and not providing better context about proper planning factors such as weight carried to body weight / strength ratios and capability / cost to weight considerations. In some cases, I think some in the UL industry and some folks accepting free gear for reviews are creeping sales pitches for expensive gear into what most people believe are honest appraisals. In other cases, I suspect others believe that lighter pack weight means they are somehow a better hiker. Anyway, again, great video and thanks for putting out some additional perspective we often don’t see. I’m starting the CDT in March, so maybe I’ll see you on the trail. If you are doing another challenge at the time, I will be sure to heat a cup of coffee for you.
Great video . I try to be conscious of my base weight and keep it as modest as I can., My gear is not UL and I have an Opsrey pack. I try to stay in the mid 20's as a goal and that's just to keep me in check so as not to carry a lot of wasted weight. Each trip varies depending on trail time and weather for me. Love your inputs and really like that you are non judgemental in your posts. You have a down home country gal kind of way about you that makes it easy for me to listen to your videos. Always be yourself and always keep moving. Peace to you in your travels.
Well said. It is about the journey, not the destination. :) My 2 oz pillow allows me a good night's sleep, and that makes the next day way more enjoyable. You stated everything well.
What I love about your videos is that you really support inclusivity for new hikers that may not be the richest, most dit, etc. You’re an encouragement for those toeing the line and about to vault over.
Nothing wrong with Walmart tents - they are inexpensive and ultralight. 2016, my tent was 3 lbs., 2017 tent was 2.5 lbs. 2018, my new Walmart tent us $15 and weighs 1 lb. 7 oz. My tents all keep me dry and have never failed me on the PCT. Ultralight gear does NOT guarantee success for FKT or a thru-hike. If you need 40 lbs. of stuff to survive or mentally keep going, then you need it. Period. Carry the things that you feel you need. If you need more or less or another brand of something, you can swap out, mail back or buy along your journey or give to another needy hiker.
Im just curious what your walmart tent is since its so light?
Pineapple I have several Walmart tents, all made by Ozark Trail. The reason they are so light is because they are made for kids. I am 5’4, and that is the max height you can be once they stretch out a bit. My lightest tent is a 5x3 and I can fit both me and my husky inside. The tent is 15, but I splurged and bought the seam sealer and waterproofing spray for it, adding another $15 to the cost. Since I have a dog, I also cut a piece of blue tarp for the inside floor of the tent. I cut a piece of mosquito netting that I can clip to the large door for added ventilation. I can do a video showing you my system. Recently, I bought another Ozark tent that is almost identical to the REI quarter dome and it was only $30 and at 4.4 pounds, it comfortably fits 2 adults over 6 feet plus gear. As it has super thick flooring, it does not need added ground protection. If you look at my PCT videos from 2016 and 2017, you can see all my various sleep systems. This year, I may just go with a hammock system and no tent as we’re in a drought year here on the west coast.
Thank you so much for this video, Dixie!!
I'm 2 weeks away from section hiking the PCT and although I've tried to stay light, i enjoy being comfortable. I'm not worried about people judging me for how big my pack may look because I know it's all there to help me be the best I can be while on the trail and as long as I follow trail etiquette, and succeed in my own mind, nobody else will stop me by making me feel inadequate.
Great advice -- go light, but don't obsess. When I think back (a long way back) I'm amazed at the loads we used to carry in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. All my gear now is 50-75% lighter than what I used to carry, and it's great. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Dixie, Base weight is important to understand that it's used for measuring purposes. For us new hikers we'll figure it out with time on the trail. I'm not losing sleep over my base weight, I'm going enjoy hiking and learn as I go, I'm planning to balance comfort , weight & purpose just like you said. Thanks & love your videos! Steady Plodder.... out!
Thanks Dixie! This needed to be said. A lot. I've personally never had the money to chase the ultralight dream so have hiked w/ 50# before. Getting older I may not want to do it again, but in reality a young healthy body won't know the difference between 40# and 50# given 2 weeks. I did a lot of backpacking one summer as a job and on my last hike out some coworkers put 3 grapefruit size rocks in my pack. I thought it felt heavier when I put it on, but chalked it up to having just fill with water. A few hours later I was no worse for wear when I opened my pack to find the rocks and some laughs.
In all these years I've never weight my backpacking gear yet!!!
Thank you very much for your videos, Dixie. Very entertaining and informative.
Enjoy the outdoors, keep on hiking!
Your video is exactly on point. I have noticed this myself in a post I did recently on a particular Facebook page in a question about the big 3 (pack, tent, sleep system) in temps from 0-20 degrees. As a qualified former Army Winter Operations instructor who has spent multiple days living out of a backpack in cold weather environments several times I can guarantee what I listed for equipment was a lot different than the rest of the posts. I was looked down on even though I used a majority of civilian gear but it wasn't necessarily ultralight or trendy. People do need to find the point of comfort, safety, and knowledge in comparison to weight. I also love coffee being a military retiree but I can’t stand instant coffees. Instead I use a Toaks 450 mil cup and a collapsible strainer. It’s not as convenient and more trash weight but I get multiple cups out of each paper filter and grounds. It’s a great tradeoff for me.
The best way to figure out what you need and what you don't is to get out there on a local backpack and you'll soon learn. Of course, before that, watch Dixie's excellent channel but that goes without saying! :-)
Hi Dixie....Being familiar with "base weights", I actually read the comments on your post to see what was being said about HYOH. I know that wasn't the basis of your message but it did come up so I'd like to comment. I dont think anyone expects you to be the Matriarch of Hiking but you have such a great platform for information and a dedicated following that you could maybe be the the catalyst for making HYOH what it always has been and should continue to be. If LNT was losing its meaning by misuse, we (the vast majority anyway) would be bold about helping to make it what it should be. While perhaps not as environmentally important as LNT, HYOH is intrinsically important to the heart and soul of hiking. Its about accepting hikers for who they are and allowing their own choices when they hike. Its definitely not about throwing out a phrase so you can infringe on the environment or the rights of others. I like HYOH and I'll continue to use it and try to help others understand when they use it as a license to do that which is in contrast to its true meaning.
Watching this significantly after it was made but still saying that this message rings true. I've been agonizing over base weight, and within my budget I won't be able to go under 16 lbs (which, as a petite woman, seems like a lot). Knowing that you are now a triple crowner and were able to hike just fine with those base weights is a relief, and also another note that I'll be out there for me, not for anyone else. :)
I can dig it. I’m currently working to lighten the load for the exact reason you said. I simply want less weight for comfort. The other part is I want to connect more when I’m out on the trail. I feel like taking less helps to simplify what I’m doing out there. I am also entertained by seeing where I can cut weight. I agree though, don’t stress on it for most folks, but do encourage people to cut the excess. Keep up the great videos.
I agree definitely. Although i believe some get into backpacking and their weghts are so outrageous that they struggle are so sore and miserable that they are reluctant to try it again. Soooo i believe having the weight thing in the back of your mind whilst choosing gear but like you said don't stress to hard over it. The more you just get out and hike the more it allows you to understand what it is you would like to change and can better select gear for your needs. Great topic Dixie as always. Keep them videos coming and may you never run out of trail and adventure and wonder.
Thanks for discussing this topic! I clearly see that each person has their own purpose and will manage their base weight accordingly. My base weight is 27 lbs. Now before you freak out, let me say that I am more than 100 lbs overweight. Shaving a few lbs. from my base weight isn't as important as protecting my knees by getting a tent that has an opening that doesn't involve crawling in and out on bad knees. (weight penalty of 4 lbs.) I'll be taking both a ThermaRest foam and an inflatable Sea to Summit sleep pad (2.5 lb weight penalty). Those two adjustments will be key to my ability to hike. Am I excited at the prospect of carrying additional weight that I otherwise wouldn't need? No. But, I AM EXCITED to hike!
Fantastic. I too am seeing a lot of hikers start to forget the basic HYOK trail etiquette. If somebody wants help getting their base weight down, jump in and help them. Otherwise, feel free to be proud and tell us about your gear, but stop short of criticizing any other hiker. Hike Your Own Hike also means letting everybody else hike theirs. I'm very glad to see you and Darwin putting this message out there.
I can completely understand this. I am planning my first thru-hike in 2022 (possibly 2021) of the AT. And I see so many people touting ultra light weight and super expensive gear. And I will definitely be on a somewhat limited budget.
It seems so many topics in life boil down to a pissing contest. Thank you for your perspective, I totally agree. There is no blanket answer that one thing is the best for everyone. In this case specifically, it's better to hike heavy than to not hike at all.
Can we start calling obsessing about gear before a hike, bike tour, canoe trip, etc, NESTING? Before my child was born, I saw my wife sort of lose her mind worrying about baby gear, and it was like looking into the mirror of me getting ready for an adventure of some sort. I feel the need to channel my nervous energy into preparing. Focusing on base weight seems practical mid winter, but it totally ignores what conditions that might exist when you finally begin. But then again its always helpful to look at everything and think 'do I truly need this?'
Haha! I'm a mom of two and this is spot on! Next time my husband asks me what I am doing I just might say, " I'm nesting the hiking will be hear soon".
Great video. I’m an avid backpacker but not a long distant, PCT, CDT, AT, thru hiker. I think there is a difference. Comfort being the deciding factor. For long distance thru hikes you need Not only a lighter base weight but a lighter overall weight to help your body cope with the long distance or it will break down. In this case you suffer camping comfort. For most other backpacking I choose camping comfort at a reasonable price. For example I like a free standing tent that is bomb proof. To pay an extra $300-$400 for a Cuban fiber light weight tent that shaves slightly more than a pound off doesn’t justify the expense. Also, I like a pillow, a full length air mattress, a comfortable backpack, a gravity water filter system, water proof mid boots, and a stove. I also like to fish so I bring a fishing setup. My goal is to keep the total weight to around 35-40 pounds. Which I easily can do with all the comforts I require. Would I take this on a long distant thru hike? Probably not. If/when I do I would reconfigure my whole setup. To do those miles requires a much lighter setup. IMO...
As a first time hiker later this year, I think I needed to see this! Thank you. I was really starting to stress about my base weight and gear choices so far.
Thru hiker*
Another great discussion on a important subject. Planning, safety and comfort to accomplish goals are important to me. Thanks Dixie.
Finding that equilibrium point is the goal for me. I would add this, though. As I get older (48 now), the more my body appreciates a lighter load. I don't think I ever had a baseweight over about 20 lbs., but even cutting it down to about 10 lbs. for 3-season trips has made a huge difference on how much better my body feels on the trail. Also, I had an orthopedist tell me that doing a lot of carrying heavy loads can do long term damage to your joints (especially knees and back) over time, even for people who are very physically strong and have no problem carrying the weight.
I love your blog. You are so upbeat, informative and inspiring. I also enjoyed your book immensely. Thanks
Great video Dixie. The point is to get out there and as you progress so will your desire to cut the weight. With every hiking trip, I see someone with a new item or a new way of doing something. My pack, tent, and sleep system are so different than seven years ago when I started section hiking the AT. Just get out there, it does not matter if you have the best gear or the lightest sleeping bag. It takes time and lots of money to achieve the best/lightest gear setup.
And, the lightest isn't always the best for you.
Hi Dixie! Thanks for answering my question from yesterday's Q & A in great detail. As a patron to u. I especially appreciate you carrying extra weight to bring us. High quality video's. Thank you very much! God Bless you!
This is a great video and channel. All this arguing over weight is silly. When I was younger the talk was how much weight you could carry over what distance. How little your pack weighed was not something you dared boast about. You bought better equipment which may have been lighter, but you bought it because it was better not lighter. I liked the idea of light and ultralight hiking but no one I knew called it that. I enjoyed a good few ultralight trips with only my field jacket as tent and sleep system and canned goods in my pack. Base weight about 4lb. Only the weight of the pack, a pot to cook in, and spoon. Clean them with sand. I thought i was in heaven when i got a liner for my field jacket. This new light stuff is great.
“I don’t really like pillows in real life”....epic! Proof that hiking is the great escape! Thank you for sharing your experiences and bringing your views to light. Truly valued!
It has always amazed me how people get so excited about the weight other people are donkeying down the trail. I'm thinking with time most people figure out whats to much weight. When I started hiking no one was talking about base weight. People carried what the wanted to carry, and if it was to heavy, we shredded the weight the next time we hit the trail... eventually you figured out what you really needed. I know for me after about seven days on the trail, I know exactly what I'm are going to leave and what I wish I had... Love your videos
Planning my first thru hike, the Florida Trail. I bough the Katadyn Pocket filet, WAY heavy compared to others, but, I like having the high quality build, I like to have the higher volume pump, . I also bought the windburner from MSR, because I wanted to cook. I hate the wind blowing out the flame, etc. I bought a kelty 0 dri bag, for winter. Heavier.
I think the " do your own hike" think is it. I will use these quality pieces, and, I might change my ideas after wards, so Ill start with what I feel good with, and see if I feel like changing it up after I do my hike.
I should say, I did a 4 day hike in the Gila, and I think my pack was about 60 lbs LOL. It has come way down with a bit of practice. Well see if it changes again.
Good advice here.
Getting out there and getting it started, or done, is the point.
You can be comfortable hiking or camping. You can choose one. The lighter you are, the more comfortable you are on the trail. The heavier you are, the more comfortable you are in camp. This, of course, is considering you have purchased good quality gear. Comfort items add weight. I have seen people toting chairs, real pillows, actual blankets, and heavy coffee systems. I've even seen people with full-size Coleman stoves. So this makes you ask yourself: Are you there to hike the trail as much as possible and only look at camping as a necessity between hiking or are you wanting to increase your enjoyment and comfort level, allowing yourself to move at a slower pace. You can also be anywhere on this sliding scale. I carry a good pound of crap that I don;t actually need, but it's worth the weight for my comfort level. YMMV
John Kennedy Absolutely! I did a video on that very realization. Section hikers can generally carry more luxuries than a thru hiker, but when does the focus shift from the hiking to the camping?
John Kennedy,
Great points John, it seems we're on the same page on this topic...Camp comfort, for me, was my ''weakness'', which is why I was always a ''day'' (week) or ''section'' hiker...for me, the time spent in camp was as (more) important as ''making those miles'' on the trail...for me, the enjoyment came from communing with Nature, not the compulsive push to the next waypoint...Cheers.
Hike your own hike is what it boils down to! Hike with whatever weight you are comfortable with!
Sam Smith nice name
Haha thanks Sam Smith lol
STeVe PNW lol whatever man. It's hike your own hike period. What's comfortable and works for you may not be the same for me.
So thankful for your comment. As a someone who is coming up on the 64th birthday, I am wanting to add to my bucket-list a through hike. I have followed both your hikes so far and learned quite a lot. Thank you.
Small note...please lower your camera angle so we see you eye to eye...not looking down.
I love your perspective! I am a day hiker that wants to become a back packer and videos like your are giving me a lot to think about when I start doing local state parks in the spring.
Jennifer D. Wooohoo! So happy to hear you’re getting out there this year :) That’s awesome.
I haven't been camping since I was a Boy Scout in the 70's. Even though I have no interest in backpacking I love your videos. However, I travel a lot for work. it's funny that without thinking about it since watching your videos I've downsized my luggage A LOT. It is so much easier to pack when I don't take so many changes of clothing and "luxury items" that I carry but haven't used in years. Thanks!
Stumbled across your channel while planning my first "long distance" hike (160 miles, I'm in Europe so it's all relative 😜) you've got some great, common sense advice. There seem to be so many channels that just concentrate on ultralight minimalism, but I like the idea of coffee and oatmeal while watching the sun rise 👍
This topic always reminds me of Granny Gatewood. She did the AT twice with tennis shoes and home made gear. Basically all cotton and traditional wool. Was so early in the AT history there were basically no hiker amenities and no trail angels along the way.
Excellent video. Just knowing what base weight is and what amount of weight others carry is very useful for a beginner… helps to gauge what is needed. If I had known this a few years back on my first overnight (2 nights) trip into the Flat Tops in Colorado, I would have reconsidered hauling in 60 lbs of gear on my back.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Solid video!
I am currently working on my base weight, not because others say it’s necessary but with shoulder issues in the past I want to be able to hike and backpack into old age. When I fist got back into hiking and backpacking (thanks to you Dixie) I didn’t want to spend crazy amounts of money util I was sure I was going to stick with it (now it’s a healthy addiction). As in all aspects of life focus on your journey and not the Na sayers and life with be a joy.
Great advice! Nailed that on the head!
I feel the same way! I love your videos, I’ll bet that they have already helped a ton of people get out there and have improved something in there life!
At 71 y.o. I wish I knew in my 20's and 30's how my heavy choices were going to affect my health at this stage of my life. Bad ankles, sore hips, knee replacements, back trama, and others. I wish I understood light and ultralight back then. I would have embraced it whole heartedly as much as I do now.
ANCHOR440 ha, you should tell that to old infantry men.
Love when you upload on the weekend! hope you’re doing well Dixie, great video as always xoxo
When I started hiking as a Scout most of us had military surplus, we carried tarps, cloth sleeping bags, cotton clothes, and steel mess kits, we also carried hatchets, knives, saws, canvas tents, metal canteens and believe it or not-canned food. Once.we Weighed them as we argued who’s packs weighed more. Johnny carried 110 lbs, mine was 85 lbs which was 5 lbs more than I weighed at the time. No pack frames back then and here in the PNW it often rains soaking everything making it even heavier. My knife was a WW2 Kbar my marine Sergeant father gave me. We hiked like 20 miles or less but by the time we got there and took off those packs it felt like you might fly away. Lol. Times have changed, that’s for sure.
You and Darwin each have solid and reasonable videos regarding base weight and from opposite ends of the same argument. Both of you focus on why it's important but not the cornerstone of known truth. "Never let perfection stop you from having a good time." Thanks for keeping hysteria out of discussing a controversial subject.
30 Years ago when I first started backpacking a 40-50 pound pack was normal and people still completed the AT. It is easier these days with lighter gear but you are absolutely correct, Weight is not a deal breaker. Love your videos!!!
Sensible and worth saying. Well done.