Testing Ford Diesel Particulate Filter Fuel Vaporizer - P244C P2463 P246B P246C
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This video highlights the diagnosis and subsequent repair of a diesel particulate filter vaporizer, which had a blocked nozzle causing no flow of diesel fuel into the DPF. The ECU see's the lack of temperature rise during re-generation and then puts the engine warning light on. Meanwhile the DPF filter starts to fill until it becomes too full to successfully carry out a re-generation on its own.
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2013 Ford C-Max 2.0TDi with a DPF issue, but it could also be a Kuga, Mondeo, Focus, Transit, Edge. Citroen or Peugeot all using the DW10 engine
Multiple fault codes stored relating to the DPF.
This video shows a simple test how to verify the fault
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Just had mine replaced by fords on my MK2 Kuga 2.0 due to warning “Engine service now “ and Engine block displayed as well ,cost £528 including labour.Great video now I know what I had done.
Thanks for the comment. They aren't easy to access and can be tricky to get undone / removed
Thanks for an informative video. After watching this, I now know that my own car is a post injection design, so I'm glad I went with a policy of dropping the oil halfway between services.
Thanks for the comments
I see this regularly on transit and connect vans and as you say the “temperature not reached “code is the give away.....great video 👍
yes, i still see it weekly. Thanks for the comments, hope you've subscribed ;-)
Good procedure and well explained, great tip using the mityvac test. Will pass that tip on. Thanks
Nice one. I like the testing with the vacuum pump.. I have learned something new. Thanks Yoda.
Same here well done thanks
good man mr yoda not doing many skodas keep em coming may the force be with you
im so pleased I found your channel, you explain very well, great at your job, please keep them coming
Thanks for the comments Chris. They are much appreciated and keep me enthused to continue
I enjoyed the nerd part. Thank you for sharing.
Great work Steve, like the geek info and also simple mytyvac blockage test. Nicely done sir
Great Video - Please keep to Technical Info in the Videos - much to learn in there !! Thank you for the great work !
Another good quality and clear video.
As always good testing methods shown, informational and educational.
It would be good to see if the tips of the vaporiser could possibly be unblocked/cleaned up and still be serviceable, although I understand this is probably not possible within the dealership environment.
Thanks for the comments, I still have the vaporizer and will see if it can be unblocked and tested.
Great info! High quality video, thanks for sharing.
Cheers Dan......once my holiday is out of the way, I'll get a t-shirt organised for you 😀
@@SYDiagnostics awsome👍
Thanks for sharing.
Instead of replacing the entire vaporizer which costs alot, just remove the glowplug (if it's the original it might be stuck, just apply WD40 or similar rust/grime remover and heat it with a torch) once out, clean the inside of the globplug tube, let it soak in grime remover and scrub it after and apply air pressure in the tube until you can feel air blowing out. Then just replace the glowplug as it will be busted most likely, you can test it if it holds 1.1 ohms it's fine. Even if you replace the glow plug it's 1/3 1/4 of the price depending on where you get it from.
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Great video Steve, I have read about a glow plug in exhaust but never a vapouriser! I take it it must be similar method of regen that Citroen/Peugeot use with fluid, many thanks sandy
the fluid system is a different system, I believe the fluid (FAP i think it is??) is injected into the fuel tank and in fact lowers the combustion temperature if i beleive right....not had anything to do with that system
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Thank you for the video, where did you source system operation?
liked the tech,didnt know this was fitted to these...great job
One of the best videos :) Thanks!
I see that the dpf loading was 28% after the static regen, I just did my 2.0 C-Max and the figure was similar. I'm guessing that is as low as it would be reasonable to get it? Great vid o/
Usually yes...but after a few miles of driving with the heat in the dpf the figure will drop
Fantastic video very informative thank you 👍🏻
Excellent information very good information love your way
Cheers and thanks for sharing 😀
I had this problem last year. Changed injector/nozzle with a genuine one everything back to normal until a few days ago when again the P244c error is back. No limp mode, car drives fine but mil is on and cant clear it. Checked fuses in engine bay and all of them apparently are ok.
Great Video, thanks for posting
Keep getting a P242D DTC. Removed exhaust temp sensor 3 and seems fine!! Pulling my hair out!!!
sensor 3 circuit high........the pcm is seeing a higher than expected voltage, could be a shorted wire or faulty sensor.....need to test further
Is there any chance you can tell me how to undo the clip for the vaporiser electrics
Love your work
Thank you, i've recently had to remove most of my videos, but working to resolve the issues and get them back up on here
Just replaced one on a front wheel drive transit loads easier to just remove complete exhaust
Hi Steve - off sick with Covid & binge watching all your great videos. Thanks for sharing.
I noticed you use forscan & occasionally ids when would it be more beneficial to use one over the other?
Hi thanks for the comments
I use forscan mainly due to legal reasons . I can't really show ids because it's licensed and has terms and conditions.
Ids will allow you online security functions as a dealer would but it's subscription based
Very helpful video.
Great explanation professional
Great vid Steve 👍
Great video. Didn't think of the Mityvac test before. Got an ids at work, do you use ids standard anymore or just FDRS to carry out regens? Thanks for the vid
Thanksfor the comments, I use both programs as needed
hi mate. nice vid full of info. is this an easy ish job. im quite good with my hands as im a fridge engineer. does the vaporiser need priming when you have replaced with the new 1. many thanks and keep up the good work. ive sunscribed.
Access is different on each vehicle that has it. It's easier to saw through or break the body off and then get a socket on the nut..... They can pull the threads out the manifold though.
Ideally they need priming but often the function isn't there on forscan or ids
Any idea on a p001400 code camshaft position sensor outlet camshaft signal to early ? Only symptom is first cood start car doesn't wait for glowplugs but cranks straight away until it starts ? Mk2 kuga 2ltr 180 awd
Good video
I have codes P246C, P2463, P2463-C car is in limp mode and it will not do a static regeneration via Forscan. What would you check first? Vaporiser? Also, what's the best way of getting to the vaporiser on a driveway? (DIY mechanic here :) Thank you. (Ford S-Max 2.2tdci 128k)
I keep getting a low tyre pressure warning but all my tyres are fine and it lets me clear the fault but then it raises its head a couple of days later.
Thanks Steve. Having seen that, I’d take one of them on with some confidence of system operation. Is this the same system on Transits and approximately what year did Ford introduce this design?
yes the transit 2.2 has this system, unsure of the introduction date to be fair
The earliest I came across vaporisers is 2010 on Mondeo’s and Kugas, Transits saw them about 2012
Thanks 🙏
Great stuff , is the 1.6tdci simalar with a vaporizer system?
no the 1.6 doesn't have this system
There is a vaporiser on some Ford Focus 1.6 I have worked on a few 2013 models with them fitted and they tend to strip the threads when you remove them
Great videos with great information. Does Forscan let you view the individual live data for each exhaust temp sensor? Snap On and Autel only have one reading for exhaust gas temp despite the vehicle (Transit) having 3 sensors.
Most vehicles will show all egt sensors in temp or voltage on forscan . Some display both values.
@@SYDiagnostics Thanks for the reply. Forscan looks like it's well worth the money. What cable do you use?
@@nevets5891 I use a genuine ford vcm2
@@SYDiagnostics Ah, a few quid!
@@nevets5891 it was "acquired" as it was in the box but not on the picking slip, when we got a new laptop and ford vcmm at work. So I was lucky
Have removed my vaporizer to measure the glow plug is at 1.2 Ohm (0.2 Ohm indicates that meter itself) is that okay?
id say 1.2 ohm is ok.....can you power it up and see if it works?
What makes them clog up like this? I'm on 190k km, no issues yet. But I'm starting to feel nervous about it failing any time now :)) I run only premium diesel and car is driven mostly outside of the city. Could this be keeping it clean? Or they just clogup no matter what? I've got a manual gearbox, 2.0 163 hp.
I think your driving style certainly helps
@@SYDiagnostics I never drive bellow 2000rpm, not even when cruising. And I drive pretty hard whenever the road allows me. It's a diesel...it gets the same mpg, rather than lugging the poor engine. I think thei also clog up more easily with automatics.
ive got the same motor, the 163, and mine has clogged up. but its not on the motorway very often so thats why.
@@SuperFreemanuk Just replaced it after asking what makes them clog :))) wasn't completely gone, but it could not get the temps high enough, and was throwing a code. All fine now
Cheers!
Thanks for the video very informative just one thing why can’t try to unblock vaporiser I have succeeded cleaning vaporiser on 2014 Transit Custom 2.2 it’s been three months now and no problems reported from customer
As far I can see this vaporiser you have there is different from transit one so might not possible to clean it
Anyway thanks again
We have to guarantee parts and or workmanship for 2 years. So by cleaning it we cannot guarantee its success or longevity. If its your own vehicle then fair play. But best practice would be to replace it
SY Diagnostics oh I see with me different story customer elected to clean it and understood that if it fails again will be new unit so we’ll wait and see
@@SYDiagnostics they really only ever need cleaned out, every 50k kilometers would be my recommendation
If people are doing short commutes and stop/start, all bets are off...probably every 20k kilometers for a clean
DPF should be getting replaced at 200k.
If after a vaporiser clean and flow test, and a DPF clean, and the DPF soot and DPF load keep heading above 75%, the DPF is toast and needs replacing.
@@DoubtingThomas333 As a dealer its not something we could put a guarantee on as a fix. If it were my own car and it came out easy then yes.
Thankyou sir. Thankyou very much
The vapouriser...must remember to not over look that..thanks
Usually if it's got the codes I had, or if you see re-gen temps, they don't get above 350 degrees (approx)
got my bacon sandwege and coffee. can the tips of the vaprosor be sonic cleaned
quite possibly
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Can be drilled, cleaned and hole welded again. It's expensive crap.
P2463. I’m get crazy I do erg. After one week van bk 😁
Nice video
Thanks, I have a better one, but it doesnt seem to get the views that this one does.
How do you get to it ? What do you remove ?
on this vehicle i didnt remove anything, maybe just the little bolt on cross beam between the chassis rails. It's a tight squeeze but achievable
Hello Sir, I got codes P244C and P2463 and i am suspecting that the dpf is blocked? however when I saw your video I am starting to think that the culprit is the vaporiser. I got mondeo mk4 and its not in limp mode yet. It has % 175 soot load now as I am using it everyday.
needs looking into, it should have regenerated by now
Excellent video.
Is the vaporiser required for a forced static regen or will it static regen without it? My car is a 2014 2.0 galaxy tdci (138 or 140)
I originally had the service engine now warning then after a few more journeys had code 244c come up along with p246B and (conditions incorrect for regen) P2463 soot accumulation.
My mechanic took the car in and put it in a static regen which was successful. I do not think he investigated any further blaming it on driving regime.
I had the car back and now after 300ish miles I have the engine service now warning. Forscan is showing P244c and the soot load is 78%.
I questioned the mechanic as I suspected the vaporiser at fault from the beginning but his view is the vaporiser must be working for it to have completed the static regen when it first had the fault.
Any advice appreciated
The vaporizer will be used for all regenerations whether static or induced by pcm when driving. With the dpf on a 2.0 being far enough from the engine, the vaporizer is needed to increase the temperature to start regen
Has your garage tested the vaporizer glow plug and the fuse.
@@SYDiagnostics
Thanks for your reply. I don't think they did anything else apart from force static regen it, because this was successful they basically said all was OK then gave it back. When I questioned the vaporiser they said well it must be working because it must have worked for it to successfully do a static regen, and it did clear the soot levels down. Shame you are located so far away from me.
Do u recommend any aftermarket versions of the vaporiser? The ford ones are well over £300
I'm testing for blockage with a footpump attached to fuel feed line, is this possible to determine partial blockage?
theoretically it should be, but doubt it'd be accurate enough to see the small readings of a partially blocked unit
@@SYDiagnostics it builds a vacuum with the pump which decays, I figured it was simply too much air trying to pass through in one push - it does decay to zero pretty quickly though.
@@dantandem it shouldn't build any vacuum or pressure at all. Even if it decays its blocked or partially blocked
"600 degrees" C or F ??
centigrade
Thanks for the video. I'm getting error P244C on a 2011 Mondeo, during regen the temperature is about 550, rarely gets to 590 degrees. I checked the vaporizer and it is not clogged and the fuses are ok. Do you think the problem might be the glow plug? Thanks.
its worth testing it
OK, so I replaced the vaporizer, but I still can't get past 580 degrees in regen and P244C came up again. DPF_SOOT_LD (inferred open loop) stays at 300%. Any idea what to check next? Thanks.
Anything?
@@bogdan_filip you have to flow test the vaporiser.
Ford Kuga replacement vaporiser is the same one used in your Mondeo (usually a bit cheaper).
Between a proper clean and flow test of the vaporiser, and a proper clean of your DPF... It will work properly.
Either pay a diesel exhaust cleaning mob to clean out your DPF, or learn how to clean it yourself.
Usually you can save the DPF, sometimes you can't (ash content and too much heat in the DPF can kill it totally). They only have a lifespan of about 200k kilometers anyway.
Make sure you use C1 oil, low/ultra low saps.
I have a 2012 Mondeo BTW.
Thanks for your input. The DPF has been cleaned before me posting about this issue, however no chance in getting the DPF_SOOT_LD value to drop.
Anyways, one day at the beginning of July, 5 months after replacing the vaporiser, I disconnected the temp sensors on the DPF/exhaust and reconnected them the next day, cleared out the errors and a few hours later I've noticed the DPF_SOOT_LD value started decreasing. I went for a ride until the regen stopped and the value got to about 30%. All good since then, yet I still have no clue why things didn't improve right after replacing the vaporiser.
Hello, do you know what could cause a p2002 code?
usually its a faulty dpf pressure sensor, but can also be a failed / cracked dpf....depending on which vehicle
@@SYDiagnostics Ok, thank you!
@@SYDiagnostics Ok, thank you!
What's the pc program you use for ford , forscan?
Yes I use forscan mainly in my videos as well as ford IDS
Hi need help knowing what parts gone thinking vaporiser codes are p2463, p24a4 mk4 mondeo 2.0 tdci had dpf cleaned but not solved any help appreciated thanks
Vaporiser usually is at fault if you get regeneration conditions not reached or temperature too low during regeneration
@@SYDiagnostics thankyou ,will let you know when sorted
Hi again had fuses f2, f6, f9, for vaporiser checked and not blown so garage doing more checks
@@micksimmons8399 have they checked the vaporisor as in the video? Is the fuel pump delivering fuel for the vaporisor? Is the vaporisor glow plug and control ok?
@@SYDiagnostics no not yet but dont think they are up on mondeo as when they cleaned it, did it direct to dpf filter as couldn't find part in engine bay to connect to so may have to take to somewhere else ,after clean the service engine now light was on and off until 5mins driving
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Hi . can you please tell me how i can check the fuel pump from the vaporizer dpf.I changed the spark plug from the vaporizer and it is not clogged. error P269F: 73-24 and P246B: 00-2F appears.
With IDS the pump can be activated, or you can power it with an independent power and ground. Have you checked the fuse (dependent on vehicle)
@@SYDiagnostics
I did so and it works. I don't know if the pump is powered, if it has a fuse and what is it. can it only work with ids or with forscan? is a ford grand c-max 2.0tdci from 2013 163hp.thanks
@@edi4007 Pin 2 (brown) of the vaporisor fuel pump will be a PWM ground signal from the PCM and Pin 1 (grey) is a 12v feed from fuse 34 in the engine fuse box. The glow plug is on a different circuit.
@@SYDiagnostics ok.So I have to supply 12v pin no.1 to see if the fuel pump is working? Thanks a lot for availability and help.
Fuse 34 is from the driver's seat.
Work to mondeo mk4? 2.0 tdci?
Yes if it has this system
@@SYDiagnostics can i make regeneration driving on the road?
@@SYDiagnostics because i dont have Tester for make force regeneration
@@Penntty only if all conditions are correct, then it will regenerate itself. You cannot force a regeneration without any diagnostic tooling