I swear these guys glow in the dark and are paid shills. It's like the argument of why won't you let cops do random searches in your home to look for kidnapped little kids? It's a good thing to help out, unless youre hiding stolen kids that it. These guys are clowns.
The statement "I have no reason not to trust them" when it comes to Microsoft or any corporation really, given everything we have seen over the last decade, seems ridiculous to me. The level of willful naivety is shocking.
@@ryandemboski6313 I would disagree based on the amount of telemetry data Windows 11 already reports back to microsoft, the way they have continually screwed up search to boost their bing metrics and the general strategy they have taken recently to make their products worse to extract more and more data out of their users. There is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point.
Eh, idk. He has a point that if anything from people’s personal files ever got leaked, Microsoft’s reputation would never recover. There’s definitely some telemetry going on based on how you use the feature but it’s pretty unlikely that the screenshots are actually being sent to Microsoft.
There is no way Microsoft will pass up the chance to use all that data to sell ads and so much more. This is a horrible thing but it will be everywhere very soon. But to think this will not be used by companies is just silly.
Your acceptance and submission to corporations only further enables these companies to keep getting worse. If they get worse it's because the public didn't bother to take a firm stand against it. Stop funding them. Contrary to what the corporations like to believe, they crash like any other company when they lose their customers. So either we use our leverage or we whine while continuing to finance the downwards fall.
They don't need this data to sell you adds etc, it's massive amounts of storage space, for honestly very little data, they would not make anything from storing this amount of information, your browser history and emails are more than enough, text, that's all the need, screenshot etc, uo to 25gb, constantly updating, taking storage space using bandwidth, processing it on their servers etc, totally pointless for Microsoft to do, it's just not worth it.
Can you imagine the class-action lawsuit when someone eventually figures it out? Might actually be more worthwhile for MS to do what they say they're doing... For now anyway, in a year or two, a small change to the EULA, and it's open season on Recall data.. Yes, I'm a cynic
Even if it's simply never used by companies it's still horrible. This is going to end up capturing passwords, security questions, credit card data and social security numbers. Even if it isn't storing them in plaintext, it's still one single repository for all of this sensitive data. Furthermore, it's accessible by a GPT, so anybody with access to copilot on your system could theoretically coerce it to give up the data.
@@K1NGKRUED yeah pal, like Mcdonalds is a popular fast food giant for selling garbage with the nutritive content of cardboard; FYI the only thing worth having there is the milkshake.
@@K1NGKRUED because people think that anything Linux is difficult and most things won't run in Linux. Which just isnt the case anymore. Proton really leveled the playing field, especially with version 9. Ubuntu is probably the closest to a Windows experience on Linux, or Mint. The great thing about Linux is the lack of all the telemetry that comes with Windows and MS products.
Ok, so they say it’s encrypted. Ok. Who holds the master keys? Oh that’s right, Microsoft. I’m sorry, but the fact that it’s opt out, not opt in, tells me that Microsoft already has plans to monetize this data. How many times have large corporations(including Microsoft) said one thing at launch to put people at ease then completely reverse that statement as soon as they think people have forgotten?(ads on Windows, a product you purchase, anyone?)
Even if it is encrypted and there's no backdoors , LLMs are well known as security vulnerabilities. Plenty of methods exist already to get LLMs to surrender sensitive data.
Matt going on a debauched rant for 2 minutes straight...then Austin saying a one-liner about "sweaty fan-fiction" with Matt's response "Can you just not be disgusting for one-second" was priceless and made the whole thing worth watching!
These companies are missing the message that people are trying to send to them, we do not want AI in everything we do. Just because they can doesn't mean they should. Can we just start with making the voice assistants on our phones better by using some AI functionality and then let's see what else makes sense?
They did, people literally complained and asked for things for years and years that weren't possible, without ai. It's a buzzword now that makes old men invest in your company, but you've been using it for years, or at least it's been used in the background of so much of what you do online/on a computer
I 100% agree with Matt that it's a consolidation of items under one single login. Some things log in automatically of course but more than one login is more than one layer of security.
There is a big issue with the "you can just turn it off" argument. In the past Microsoft has been known to turn this stuff back on every time windows updates and not tell you, so I do not trust it to stay off if I turn it off. Also there is absolutely no way that Microsoft is not going to use this to spy on users if not at first then they will sneak that in later at some point. Windows 7 was great and I have not wanted anything that Microsoft has done since and I am getting tried of being forced to accept new "features" that I do not want every few years. Shit like this is why I am making an attempt to switch to Linux. I have been using Manjaro with KDE desktop on my laptop now for about 2 months and it has been pretty great. After about a week of setting it up and configuring things I was able to get it to do everything just as well as windows did or better, like search actually works in linux, lol. Unfortunately it will be way harder for me to switch over my desktop mainly because of games. Although linux game support has improved massively since the steam deck, it is still a ways behind windows. Still I have been really impressed with how solid Manjaro + KDE is nowadays, have tried a other distros in the past, but I usually had a ton of strange little issues with them that would push me to go back to windows after a bit, but for the most part with Manjaro + KDE has just worked about the same as windows would. Even the out of the box functionality was pretty good, most of the setup was just getting little things in the KDE desktop configured just the way I wanted them.
Look up Microsoft Pluto chip. It's hardwired into your laptop. I was looking at getting a new laptop and read all about the Samsung Galaxy Book 4 with their new fancy Microsoft integrated chip. These guys are clowns don't believe them.
They do that with small things like Edge. I’ll open the browser and they will bug me to change my settings to their defaults, no. Also I’ll let the updates install and restart and it’ll star with finish setting up your pc. They want to change my OneDrive settings constantly.
So it used to be “I think big brother is watching”, to them telling us “we will watch you by default and you have to opt out”. Ok sure and in a patch by error “they” will reenable it until “they” turn it off again. So during patching now we all have to see if that is the case.
You're so naive if you think AI started the spying on us period of computing. All those cookies your browser shares are basically a screenshot of your browsing history. All those passwords and logins and credit cards you store to your browser? Google has that in their hands as well, though they may not ever admit it. And if you thought "just switch to firefox forhead." Do you really think firefox isn't also selling your data to the highest bidder? My point is that privacy is long since dead and we should be doing something about it.
It has been, always, before app before the Internet, etc, don't think things are worse they aren't. No one has ever been save from prying eyes, it's just people are a bit less dumb than they used to be (and some people are still, really, really dumb tbh)
What you don't understand is that Windows 11 is already the end. With Windows 10 we managed to make it "somewhat" more privacy friendly but we all have to run on Linux. All of us. And we need to open up and get people together to make an open source program for Adobe-level video and photo editing. Doing that plus more compatibility in video games and drivers, Windows will DEFINITELY disappear!
I mean microsoft literally made a version of windows that runs on Linux they are actively working on last time I checked. So yes, they want you using ubuntu or mint or whatever and get familiar with the OS so they can eventually drop windows NT entirely without the average user getting confused and mad/frustrated. Why do you think the richest company in the world is making all these bad decisions? They want to kill windows, steal your data and get lots of money from it because windows is using an extremely outdated file journaling system that is obsolete. This is known as NTFS. Why do you think servers run on linux instead of paying microsoft a bunch of money? It's because Linux flat out runs better and microsoft can't keep up. So they want a linux windows system where they say "we're sorry we made so many mistakes in the past, we are reversing our decisions" to boost their reputation. When in reality they want that sweet sweet linux EX4 file journaling system that every server on the planet right now uses. And the best part? You don't have to pay people to maintain this file system, as a team of developers already does that so that Linux systems can stay up to date. Saving them millions of dollars, as they can lay off countless teams of programmers or put them on the main windows projects. Why bother using your own file system when you can use someone else's hard work and just have to credit them somewhere in terms of service on page 500.
This will not be a concern to the vast majority of people that use a computer. You have to remember that most of the people that use a computer aren't computer people. As long as their computer functions in the manner that they expect they won't care about anything else. This is just reality. Sure, Linux might get a little uptick in use because of this, but I guarantee you that there will be no mass migration to Linux.
@@TheStopwatchGod Don't use Ubuntu as SNAPS are just as insecure as Windows, better to go with a good rolling release distro like Manjaro Gnome, or Solus Budgie.
@@kevin123kevin1ok so computer banking is not allowed anymore, got it. If i need to log into my bank on my pc to go over transactions or anything really then guess I can't because my pc will screenshot it. And i would bet money that "turning it off" doesn't matter just like so many other tracker features.
No. Linux is a dream at this point, with Microsoft ruining everything they touch (mainly Windows and Xbox) but it's not the year of the linux desktop. And you know it.
Only takes a tipping point, look around the world even China they want to be less depened on the west meaning Microsoft and apple. May see a lot software and game company doing trail runs if does happen on Linux.
Year of the Mac Desktop too!!! (just kidding, our market share is decreasing *sadness*). At least Apple Silicon people get Asahi and can join the Linux bandwagon.
Just because “you can turn it off” and it’s “just happening locally” doesn’t mean that it’s actually turned off or that it isn’t sending telemetry back to MS.
And when scammers connect to somebody's computer and have this giant cache of information easily available when the owner steps away? Scammers taking over PCs happen every day.
Yeah, well... Without Recall that would also be happening. Recall is terrible and at this point I believe that Microsoft has never heard of the term "Data Privacy"... but scammers stealing data from PC's will not get easier because of Recall. Scammers will get what they want, if the victim is in the unknown.
so if you dont use chromium, you cant blacklist so you are agreeing for hackers to see your bank data with a "bank information" prompt?, chromium or get hacked?. cool
@@hikaroto2791 Or, you can just turn the Recall feature off. Considering how poorly Chromium, Chrome, and Edge have worked when I've been forced to use them, I'll sooner switch to Linux.
I just need Adobe to release their software to be used on a browser (it already is running on a web like platform), or god forbid on linux, to jump this stinky ship. I hate it here.
What I'm really surprised by is how Windows 10 had a timeline feature that was more or less doing the same thing, except for the screenshot and copilot text stuff
Okay so I get that Austin's a cheerleader at The Microsoft event. That's how and why you get asked to these things. But it does not look good when you're touting a product, that by your own admission you know at best half about
I totally admit i am a linux user who (on my own PCs) left Windows during the end of Win7 ... but thing after things about MS's direction CREEPS ME out ... i dont want to go overboard with it but ... all the spying, all the remembering and storing EVERYTHING you do .... i get the hibbie jibbies
There used to be a thing in the start menu that you could bring up and it would show files you were working on...or right now you can just open start menu and type in what you want to search your computer for...this isn't anything new except a way for Microsoft to have an excuse of taking screenshots of your pc.
If the recall stuff is truly all local, then it's not too bad, but also not great. I'm wondering about what I haven't heard mentioned, multi-user systems. If user A turns recall on, and user B doesn't know about it, would user A now be able to see everything user B does on the computer? Regardless, I do kind of want one of these, but not for recall. The feature I'm interested in is the live captioning and translation. If this makes it so I can generate subtitles for foreign language video that no one has translated, then I'm sold.
Everyone is worried about privacy with this, and Matt is over here wanting to give Microsoft his DNA data. I'm sure they couldn't use that for anything nefarious.
4:16 I have two concerns: 1) It'll be on by default and even if users go out of their way to disable it, it'll magically re-enable itself without notice or consent with a Windows update. 2) They can say "encrypted" all they want, but encrypted data still has to be accessed at runtime to be useful. If you can call up your recall screenshots while you're logged in, then so can a piece of malware running on your system. This means that somebody who doesn't know the feature is running in the first place could theoretically contract some malware that can then steal screenshots of their online banking session or other sensitive information. This could be especially dangerous on public machines like a library or internet cafe.
I understand that you understand, Austin... but this is still one more log on the fire of reasons why I can't follow Windows down the path it's going. Ending Windows 10 support, more and more telemetry, Pre-existing concerns with Copilot, Ads being stuffed in any corner they can, Discontinuation of local accounts, Bitlocker being enabled by default... I'm just not on board with these trends. And even if Recall does happen locally, what's really to stop Microsoft from grabbing snapshots of Recall if they want to... They already have Bitlocker keys stored on their servers. Even if I try to see things from another perspective, I always end up at the conclusion that Microsoft is trying to change the desktop paradigm to something far less private, and far less user friendly.
Yeah, I am disabling that feature when I move over to Windows 11. Nothing I do is that important that I can't just save a bookmark of a website or write a note down. Certainty not a feature that takes a screenshot every 3 seconds or whatever.
so far it's only on those horrible surface laptops. just don't buy it. now.. disable copilot once you get win 11. I've been using it for... e years I think. you have to debloat it like win 10. I like win 11 design, and some very helpful tools. but this... it's very bad
I heard elsewhere that the Recall data being encrypted is actually just based on Bitlocker being in use by default. But the way it's in most cases talked about gives an (an apparently misleading) impression that there'd be an extra layer of security for the Recall data.
I don't see how Recall is any better than the programs already in place. Things like office apps have auto save, there is also history to search. If anything even if it is secure, it takes up space and likely system resources to snapshot, this is just a collection of data asking to be stolen if anyone gets access to a system. I better version I think would be virtualization, similar to Virtual machines, with save states, being able to spin up an OS instance would be nice.
Long battery time, always on computer, neural processing unit, large RAM, trained AI to extract information from images, voices. What can go wrong? :) A perfect surveillance device. Can watch, listen, analyze and report to home, even when it looks like it is sleeping. This will also reduce the bandwidth of internet, reduce the electricity bill of 3 letter organizations. To help environment we have to buy Windows on ARM laptops. :P
Windows Recall running locally and being encrypted MAY be a reason to trust it, but how can we be sure that 3rd party software won’t bury “access to windows recall files” in their terms of use?
There is no good with this. If limited to my device, there can still be code that tells it to call home if I do anything 'bad' (big brother is literally watching your every move), and a secret NSA subpoena will be able to grab details about everything you've written/done. Privacy matters. Also, at what point does revolution become impossible against corrupt governments?
If I hadn't switched from Windows to Mac since 2004 and owned one of those new Windows AI PCs, the first and only thing Microsoft's "Recall" feature would record on my PC would be installing Linux and saying goodbye to Windows.
Austin said he would be angry or upset by it being on by default, then he said he'd be grumpy. And when he does the video update he just seems like it's no big deal.
My biggest issue with this as a Best Buy employee is the feedback from customers if this were to go to crap. I’m still going to stick with my MacBook Air m3 16gb 512ssd because of the privacy concerns. I like windows but they have to reassure us that they won’t meddle with our data.
This is not ever going on my pc. I PROMISE YOU. I know every thing that is on my pc and where it is, I have a browser history, WHY DO I NEED THIS, I do not, I refuse
If everything is running on device, where is the dataset coming from to enable the visual identification of items in the stored images when you do a Windows Recall search? How is that dataset refined for accuracy? What feedback or metadata is looped back to Microsoft from end users? Recall, live captioning etc... should be uninstallable applications not baked in 'features'. If a person wants to use them, they can choose to, if a person wants to remove them from their system, they should be able to.
While I understand the controversy of Recall and as a Linux guy, I agree with a lot of it, I'd also say that Recall is one of the only AI things I've seen that I can 100% believe the average Joe will use. I work in IT and I can see plenty of fellow co-workers loving the idea that when they accidentally closed a file that wasn't saved and it just being a click away to get it back.
You can disable it& clear it. I dont see how this is a problem. Honestly your PC remembering everything you do to help you in the future is the next step in a personalized experience. How can you really have a PC (personal computer), if its not your personal memory box as well. If you don't want to take that leap that's up to you. I personally don't do any fucked up shit or watch questionable shit, so I welcome this new paradigm shift!
You’re drinking the Microsoft KoolAid man telling me that “I have no reason to not believe Microsoft is doing this not on device.” Bruh really, lost lots of respect for ya there. Open your eyes man.
Recall, but . . . why? What real world use does this have? If it is just a screenshot, I can't go back to an earlier file save, or open the webpage I looked yesterday, I can only see a screenshot?
exactly! office products already have temporary saves for when you need to go back to a document and browsers have had history, favourites, startup where you left off etc. since forever. something as simple as a program that connects those things for someone who suffers from finding dory level of memory loss is a lot more useful than asking a chatbot to filter through screenshots
So, I have an Asus tablet from the days of Windows Arm, it still works but is forever stuck on Windows 10 Build 1909... however, for what I needed, a mobile remote control for certain external hardware... it was, and is, perfect.
I'm going to have to get used to Linux. Windows is already insecure; I don't need Big Brother spying on me and calculating my "social credit score" on top of that. (Insert ominous music here.)
The more I hear about what Microsoft is doing and planning with AI on a feature level, the more I start thinking about going to a Mac or Linux. Seriously, recording everything on your PC (of course (Wink)) is already a terrible idea. A PC that you're using for work can have a ton of sensitive data that shouldn't be recorded and if anyone can have only 10 seconds with your PC while you're not there for any reason, can search for those with the help of the same AI. And it is on by default.... It is already a privacy nightmare and it is just getting worse with every news drop they make. We always got a bad OS after a good one and I thought Windows 11 would be the bad one, but what if the next one will be worse? :(
“You can turn it off” is not a acceptable argument in my book. Most people I know are not tech nerds, who left every settings on default.
And to add on top of that
Microsoft will eventually remove your ability to turn it off.
@@appleleptiker Not necessarily, but they'll likely randomly turn it back on after updates, when you won't notice it.
@@theodoros_1234 Well, yeah.
That's pretty much guaranteed.
I swear these guys glow in the dark and are paid shills. It's like the argument of why won't you let cops do random searches in your home to look for kidnapped little kids? It's a good thing to help out, unless youre hiding stolen kids that it.
These guys are clowns.
@@appleleptikeruninstall it the manual way
The statement "I have no reason not to trust them" when it comes to Microsoft or any corporation really, given everything we have seen over the last decade, seems ridiculous to me. The level of willful naivety is shocking.
There is also no point in making conclusions before a product is even released.
Not only that, the US government seems to believe if data exists, they have to be able to see it for any reason whatsoever. No thanks.
@@ryandemboski6313 I would disagree based on the amount of telemetry data Windows 11 already reports back to microsoft, the way they have continually screwed up search to boost their bing metrics and the general strategy they have taken recently to make their products worse to extract more and more data out of their users. There is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point.
I agree, can't trust Microsoft at all
Eh, idk. He has a point that if anything from people’s personal files ever got leaked, Microsoft’s reputation would never recover. There’s definitely some telemetry going on based on how you use the feature but it’s pretty unlikely that the screenshots are actually being sent to Microsoft.
Apple not deleting photos and Microsoft recording my screen all the time. What a time to be alive 😢
Coming to a future near you:
You: "Recall, give me that series I was watching on Netflix yesterday."
Recall: "I can't do that, Dave. It's DRM."
One was a bug the other is a feature.
There is no way Microsoft will pass up the chance to use all that data to sell ads and so much more. This is a horrible thing but it will be everywhere very soon. But to think this will not be used by companies is just silly.
Your acceptance and submission to corporations only further enables these companies to keep getting worse. If they get worse it's because the public didn't bother to take a firm stand against it. Stop funding them. Contrary to what the corporations like to believe, they crash like any other company when they lose their customers. So either we use our leverage or we whine while continuing to finance the downwards fall.
They don't need this data to sell you adds etc, it's massive amounts of storage space, for honestly very little data, they would not make anything from storing this amount of information, your browser history and emails are more than enough, text, that's all the need, screenshot etc, uo to 25gb, constantly updating, taking storage space using bandwidth, processing it on their servers etc, totally pointless for Microsoft to do, it's just not worth it.
Can you imagine the class-action lawsuit when someone eventually figures it out? Might actually be more worthwhile for MS to do what they say they're doing...
For now anyway, in a year or two, a small change to the EULA, and it's open season on Recall data.. Yes, I'm a cynic
Even if it's simply never used by companies it's still horrible. This is going to end up capturing passwords, security questions, credit card data and social security numbers. Even if it isn't storing them in plaintext, it's still one single repository for all of this sensitive data. Furthermore, it's accessible by a GPT, so anybody with access to copilot on your system could theoretically coerce it to give up the data.
I'm chuckling quietly to myself because I used winaero tweaker to disable all the ads and copilot and telemetry, microshit won't get shit out of me.
Sounds like a good time to switch to Linux.
I have seen these posts for over a decade...but Windows is still the most used OS in the world....there is a reason.
already switched over) Manjaro installed on 3 computers at home
@@vladimir_fomin90 Good on you. Enjoy.
@@K1NGKRUED yeah pal, like Mcdonalds is a popular fast food giant for selling garbage with the nutritive content of cardboard; FYI the only thing worth having there is the milkshake.
@@K1NGKRUED because people think that anything Linux is difficult and most things won't run in Linux. Which just isnt the case anymore. Proton really leveled the playing field, especially with version 9.
Ubuntu is probably the closest to a Windows experience on Linux, or Mint. The great thing about Linux is the lack of all the telemetry that comes with Windows and MS products.
Yeah if i have to go into the registry and edit it out myself, this will never be a feature on my pc no matter what version of windows i'm running.
Ok, so they say it’s encrypted. Ok. Who holds the master keys? Oh that’s right, Microsoft. I’m sorry, but the fact that it’s opt out, not opt in, tells me that Microsoft already has plans to monetize this data. How many times have large corporations(including Microsoft) said one thing at launch to put people at ease then completely reverse that statement as soon as they think people have forgotten?(ads on Windows, a product you purchase, anyone?)
Even if it is encrypted and there's no backdoors , LLMs are well known as security vulnerabilities. Plenty of methods exist already to get LLMs to surrender sensitive data.
The horse didn't seem like he was enjoying it... 💀
Did Matt reference Mr. Hands?
@@daltonbroderson6529 Potentially
Matt going on a debauched rant for 2 minutes straight...then Austin saying a one-liner about "sweaty fan-fiction" with Matt's response "Can you just not be disgusting for one-second" was priceless and made the whole thing worth watching!
Once again Austin can't handle the truth. I feel like this channel is therapy for Austin and Matt is his therapist.
These companies are missing the message that people are trying to send to them, we do not want AI in everything we do. Just because they can doesn't mean they should. Can we just start with making the voice assistants on our phones better by using some AI functionality and then let's see what else makes sense?
Literally no one asked for AI from any company and it’s a pain to keep hearing how we’re just getting it forced on us
They did, people literally complained and asked for things for years and years that weren't possible, without ai. It's a buzzword now that makes old men invest in your company, but you've been using it for years, or at least it's been used in the background of so much of what you do online/on a computer
10000% total force. Move fast so it’s too late to go back at some point.
I 100% agree with Matt that it's a consolidation of items under one single login. Some things log in automatically of course but more than one login is more than one layer of security.
There is a big issue with the "you can just turn it off" argument. In the past Microsoft has been known to turn this stuff back on every time windows updates and not tell you, so I do not trust it to stay off if I turn it off. Also there is absolutely no way that Microsoft is not going to use this to spy on users if not at first then they will sneak that in later at some point.
Windows 7 was great and I have not wanted anything that Microsoft has done since and I am getting tried of being forced to accept new "features" that I do not want every few years. Shit like this is why I am making an attempt to switch to Linux. I have been using Manjaro with KDE desktop on my laptop now for about 2 months and it has been pretty great. After about a week of setting it up and configuring things I was able to get it to do everything just as well as windows did or better, like search actually works in linux, lol. Unfortunately it will be way harder for me to switch over my desktop mainly because of games. Although linux game support has improved massively since the steam deck, it is still a ways behind windows. Still I have been really impressed with how solid Manjaro + KDE is nowadays, have tried a other distros in the past, but I usually had a ton of strange little issues with them that would push me to go back to windows after a bit, but for the most part with Manjaro + KDE has just worked about the same as windows would. Even the out of the box functionality was pretty good, most of the setup was just getting little things in the KDE desktop configured just the way I wanted them.
Look up Microsoft Pluto chip. It's hardwired into your laptop. I was looking at getting a new laptop and read all about the Samsung Galaxy Book 4 with their new fancy Microsoft integrated chip. These guys are clowns don't believe them.
They do that with small things like Edge. I’ll open the browser and they will bug me to change my settings to their defaults, no.
Also I’ll let the updates install and restart and it’ll star with finish setting up your pc. They want to change my OneDrive settings constantly.
Stop defending Big Brother, Austin. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
So it used to be “I think big brother is watching”, to them telling us “we will watch you by default and you have to opt out”. Ok sure and in a patch by error “they” will reenable it until “they” turn it off again. So during patching now we all have to see if that is the case.
Yes and No.
Yes, it will turn itself back on.
And No, because you know damn well that Microsoft will take the ability from you to turn it off.
Recall is a major security threat
Wait, you think having all of your passwords, baking information, and activity recorded in a single repository might be a bad idea?
"you can simply turn it off"
Yes, and you can also simply remove the icon for Edge from your desktop. Right... Right?
Remember when anti-monopoly was an actual thing? Remember MS having to detangle IE from their OS? Yeah, nobody remembers that now.
Welcome to AI, I'm sure everything will start spying on us in time.
As if that isn’t already the case.
You're so naive if you think AI started the spying on us period of computing. All those cookies your browser shares are basically a screenshot of your browsing history. All those passwords and logins and credit cards you store to your browser? Google has that in their hands as well, though they may not ever admit it. And if you thought "just switch to firefox forhead." Do you really think firefox isn't also selling your data to the highest bidder?
My point is that privacy is long since dead and we should be doing something about it.
It already is.
They been spying on us
It has been, always, before app before the Internet, etc, don't think things are worse they aren't. No one has ever been save from prying eyes, it's just people are a bit less dumb than they used to be (and some people are still, really, really dumb tbh)
This is why Win10. was the Last-offline-Windows. Don't want AI to know my Hentai/pornhub preferences
At least until Pornhub implements AI themselves. I would like to say this is a joke, but I can absolutely see this happening.
What you don't understand is that Windows 11 is already the end. With Windows 10 we managed to make it "somewhat" more privacy friendly but we all have to run on Linux. All of us. And we need to open up and get people together to make an open source program for Adobe-level video and photo editing. Doing that plus more compatibility in video games and drivers, Windows will DEFINITELY disappear!
At this point I feel like Microsoft really wants people to use Linux.
I mean microsoft literally made a version of windows that runs on Linux they are actively working on last time I checked. So yes, they want you using ubuntu or mint or whatever and get familiar with the OS so they can eventually drop windows NT entirely without the average user getting confused and mad/frustrated.
Why do you think the richest company in the world is making all these bad decisions? They want to kill windows, steal your data and get lots of money from it because windows is using an extremely outdated file journaling system that is obsolete. This is known as NTFS. Why do you think servers run on linux instead of paying microsoft a bunch of money? It's because Linux flat out runs better and microsoft can't keep up.
So they want a linux windows system where they say "we're sorry we made so many mistakes in the past, we are reversing our decisions" to boost their reputation. When in reality they want that sweet sweet linux EX4 file journaling system that every server on the planet right now uses. And the best part? You don't have to pay people to maintain this file system, as a team of developers already does that so that Linux systems can stay up to date. Saving them millions of dollars, as they can lay off countless teams of programmers or put them on the main windows projects. Why bother using your own file system when you can use someone else's hard work and just have to credit them somewhere in terms of service on page 500.
i’m switching as soon as linux gets better vr support.
I'm downloading Ubuntu right now with a plan to switch over completely within 24 hours
This will not be a concern to the vast majority of people that use a computer. You have to remember that most of the people that use a computer aren't computer people. As long as their computer functions in the manner that they expect they won't care about anything else. This is just reality. Sure, Linux might get a little uptick in use because of this, but I guarantee you that there will be no mass migration to Linux.
@@TheStopwatchGod Don't use Ubuntu as SNAPS are just as insecure as Windows, better to go with a good rolling release distro like Manjaro Gnome, or Solus Budgie.
What if you get hacked? A scammer could just say, “Bank details” and it would bring it up?
don’t put your bank details
yes. it will pull up. it takes screenshots and the apps, windows inside the apps, or urls on browsers.
you dont neet to "put" your bank details. it does it for you, by design, no permissions asked.
@@kevin123kevin1ok so computer banking is not allowed anymore, got it. If i need to log into my bank on my pc to go over transactions or anything really then guess I can't because my pc will screenshot it. And i would bet money that "turning it off" doesn't matter just like so many other tracker features.
Microsoft said will screen shot everything other the DRM content that they pick from and there own brower in private mode.
Matt I never used to get you. I get you You're the best thing that's happened to this channel! My brother❤
Year Of The Linux Desktop
No.
Linux is a dream at this point, with Microsoft ruining everything they touch (mainly Windows and Xbox) but it's not the year of the linux desktop. And you know it.
@@appleleptiker i know it's a dream. let a guy dream =/ but i run ubuntu as my only OS and game just fine on it.
Only takes a tipping point, look around the world even China they want to be less depened on the west meaning Microsoft and apple. May see a lot software and game company doing trail runs if does happen on Linux.
Year of the Mac Desktop too!!! (just kidding, our market share is decreasing *sadness*). At least Apple Silicon people get Asahi and can join the Linux bandwagon.
Just because “you can turn it off” and it’s “just happening locally” doesn’t mean that it’s actually turned off or that it isn’t sending telemetry back to MS.
Linux is looking really appealing. I already swore win10 is my last windows. And i should probably get off window ASAP.
Austin looking fresh from the train Microsoft has obviously ran on him
And when scammers connect to somebody's computer and have this giant cache of information easily available when the owner steps away?
Scammers taking over PCs happen every day.
Yeah, well...
Without Recall that would also be happening. Recall is terrible and at this point I believe that Microsoft has never heard of the term "Data Privacy"... but scammers stealing data from PC's will not get easier because of Recall. Scammers will get what they want, if the victim is in the unknown.
"...As long as you are using a Chromium based browser."
Wow, that's not what I use.
Imagine using Firefox in 2024 💀
@@IceBlueLugia I do and it's great.
Firefox forever 👊
so if you dont use chromium, you cant blacklist so you are agreeing for hackers to see your bank data with a "bank information" prompt?, chromium or get hacked?. cool
@@hikaroto2791 Or, you can just turn the Recall feature off. Considering how poorly Chromium, Chrome, and Edge have worked when I've been forced to use them, I'll sooner switch to Linux.
I just need Adobe to release their software to be used on a browser (it already is running on a web like platform), or god forbid on linux, to jump this stinky ship. I hate it here.
Either way... I don't want it. I never needed this feature
Imagine not wanting something that literally makes your life easier…
@@IceBlueLugia how does it make my life easier?
@@IceBlueLugia Useless trash I never asked for?
@@IceBlueLugia yea easier to actually spy on me
What I'm really surprised by is how Windows 10 had a timeline feature that was more or less doing the same thing, except for the screenshot and copilot text stuff
Okay so I get that Austin's a cheerleader at The Microsoft event. That's how and why you get asked to these things. But it does not look good when you're touting a product, that by your own admission you know at best half about
yeah Austin trust Microsoft wayyy too much... his blind.
I totally admit i am a linux user who (on my own PCs) left Windows during the end of Win7 ... but thing after things about MS's direction CREEPS ME out ... i dont want to go overboard with it but ... all the spying, all the remembering and storing EVERYTHING you do .... i get the hibbie jibbies
There used to be a thing in the start menu that you could bring up and it would show files you were working on...or right now you can just open start menu and type in what you want to search your computer for...this isn't anything new except a way for Microsoft to have an excuse of taking screenshots of your pc.
If the recall stuff is truly all local, then it's not too bad, but also not great. I'm wondering about what I haven't heard mentioned, multi-user systems. If user A turns recall on, and user B doesn't know about it, would user A now be able to see everything user B does on the computer?
Regardless, I do kind of want one of these, but not for recall. The feature I'm interested in is the live captioning and translation. If this makes it so I can generate subtitles for foreign language video that no one has translated, then I'm sold.
Even if it's all local, it's a massive security vulnerability. It's well known by know that LLMs can be coerced into surrendering sensitive data.
It should not exist. If someone wants that, they should just install it from the app store.
Everyone is worried about privacy with this, and Matt is over here wanting to give Microsoft his DNA data. I'm sure they couldn't use that for anything nefarious.
4:16 I have two concerns:
1) It'll be on by default and even if users go out of their way to disable it, it'll magically re-enable itself without notice or consent with a Windows update.
2) They can say "encrypted" all they want, but encrypted data still has to be accessed at runtime to be useful. If you can call up your recall screenshots while you're logged in, then so can a piece of malware running on your system.
This means that somebody who doesn't know the feature is running in the first place could theoretically contract some malware that can then steal screenshots of their online banking session or other sensitive information. This could be especially dangerous on public machines like a library or internet cafe.
I understand that you understand, Austin... but this is still one more log on the fire of reasons why I can't follow Windows down the path it's going.
Ending Windows 10 support, more and more telemetry, Pre-existing concerns with Copilot, Ads being stuffed in any corner they can, Discontinuation of local accounts, Bitlocker being enabled by default... I'm just not on board with these trends.
And even if Recall does happen locally, what's really to stop Microsoft from grabbing snapshots of Recall if they want to... They already have Bitlocker keys stored on their servers.
Even if I try to see things from another perspective, I always end up at the conclusion that Microsoft is trying to change the desktop paradigm to something far less private, and far less user friendly.
Love that editor’s note about it being on by default. I trust my father than Microsoft and I never wanna see him again lol
Everyone will finally be able to find that one video from last time .. if you know , you know 🤣
It’s like having a peeping Tom looking at your screen every few seconds
Yeah, I am disabling that feature when I move over to Windows 11. Nothing I do is that important that I can't just save a bookmark of a website or write a note down. Certainty not a feature that takes a screenshot every 3 seconds or whatever.
I’m sticking with 10, nothing that 11 is or has shown has been good at all.
so far it's only on those horrible surface laptops. just don't buy it. now.. disable copilot once you get win 11. I've been using it for... e years I think. you have to debloat it like win 10. I like win 11 design, and some very helpful tools. but this... it's very bad
A household member can unlock a PC with a four digit windows hello pin. This offer zero privacy in a household.
Why do your household members have your windows hello pin?
Windows is a spyware now not an os.
So it's all happening on the device is it? No copilot telemetry is being sent back to Microsoft? I don't believe that for a moment.
Trust Microsoft????? You'd have to be the other half of 'oxy' to do that
"Hey recall.. please delete all the evidence of pron... like now!"
I heard elsewhere that the Recall data being encrypted is actually just based on Bitlocker being in use by default. But the way it's in most cases talked about gives an (an apparently misleading) impression that there'd be an extra layer of security for the Recall data.
Looks to me they're using people to train their Ai.
Who's to say they won't bring it to everyone else, not just Copilot+ PCs?
"You can turn it on, but it's off by default" should be the correct answer. NOT the other way round.
This just made the FEDS and forensic departments salivate.
I don't see how Recall is any better than the programs already in place. Things like office apps have auto save, there is also history to search. If anything even if it is secure, it takes up space and likely system resources to snapshot, this is just a collection of data asking to be stolen if anyone gets access to a system.
I better version I think would be virtualization, similar to Virtual machines, with save states, being able to spin up an OS instance would be nice.
Coming to a future near you:
You: "Recall, give me that series I was watching on Netflix yesterday."
Recall: "I can't do that, Dave. It's DRM."
They say they wont take the screenshots into the cloud, but will the they take the AI data after it has trained on all your screenshots.
I think Matt and I both came across the same horse video 👀
“Don’t get that confused with copilot minus”😂😂
It kind of sounds like Old School Windows Restore. Also, Dr. Pepper Blood Prick, BEST Vampire Anime title EVER!.
This video might be the first piece of evidence proving Austin is a FED...😂
Recall can work on all PC’s just hasn’t been released yet
Long battery time, always on computer, neural processing unit, large RAM, trained AI to extract information from images, voices. What can go wrong? :)
A perfect surveillance device. Can watch, listen, analyze and report to home, even when it looks like it is sleeping. This will also reduce the bandwidth of internet, reduce the electricity bill of 3 letter organizations.
To help environment we have to buy Windows on ARM laptops. :P
Is there a patreon where we hear what was beeped lol.
Windows Recall running locally and being encrypted MAY be a reason to trust it, but how can we be sure that 3rd party software won’t bury “access to windows recall files” in their terms of use?
If only people kept hearing that.. it is not for all Windows 11 machines. but nope! Everyone and their mother thinks it's the next Windows 11 update.
There is no good with this. If limited to my device, there can still be code that tells it to call home if I do anything 'bad' (big brother is literally watching your every move), and a secret NSA subpoena will be able to grab details about everything you've written/done. Privacy matters. Also, at what point does revolution become impossible against corrupt governments?
The privacy crowd is so paranoid
If I hadn't switched from Windows to Mac since 2004 and owned one of those new Windows AI PCs, the first and only thing Microsoft's "Recall" feature would record on my PC would be installing Linux and saying goodbye to Windows.
Tech companies just moving forward like consumers can’t push back. I will never own a computer with “recall” even if it means no more computer.
Waiting to see what Windows 12 is if there will be one at all.
Austin said he would be angry or upset by it being on by default, then he said he'd be grumpy. And when he does the video update he just seems like it's no big deal.
My biggest issue with this as a Best Buy employee is the feedback from customers if this were to go to crap. I’m still going to stick with my MacBook Air m3 16gb 512ssd because of the privacy concerns. I like windows but they have to reassure us that they won’t meddle with our data.
is windows phone making a comeback??
Windows phone? The ultimate forgotten about privacy device???
At this point I'm going back to XP
This is not ever going on my pc. I PROMISE YOU. I know every thing that is on my pc and where it is, I have a browser history, WHY DO I NEED THIS, I do not, I refuse
If everything is running on device, where is the dataset coming from to enable the visual identification of items in the stored images when you do a Windows Recall search? How is that dataset refined for accuracy? What feedback or metadata is looped back to Microsoft from end users?
Recall, live captioning etc... should be uninstallable applications not baked in 'features'. If a person wants to use them, they can choose to, if a person wants to remove them from their system, they should be able to.
While I understand the controversy of Recall and as a Linux guy, I agree with a lot of it, I'd also say that Recall is one of the only AI things I've seen that I can 100% believe the average Joe will use. I work in IT and I can see plenty of fellow co-workers loving the idea that when they accidentally closed a file that wasn't saved and it just being a click away to get it back.
but it doesn't save your excel or word. It takes a screenshot.
On device don’t mean shit to me. It will leak out one way or another.
You can disable it& clear it. I dont see how this is a problem.
Honestly your PC remembering everything you do to help you in the future is the next step in a personalized experience.
How can you really have a PC (personal computer), if its not your personal memory box as well.
If you don't want to take that leap that's up to you. I personally don't do any fucked up shit or watch questionable shit, so I welcome this new paradigm shift!
amen, love the people that think like you. is so profitable. keep it up
You’re drinking the Microsoft KoolAid man telling me that “I have no reason to not believe Microsoft is doing this not on device.” Bruh really, lost lots of respect for ya there. Open your eyes man.
Recall, but . . . why? What real world use does this have? If it is just a screenshot, I can't go back to an earlier file save, or open the webpage I looked yesterday, I can only see a screenshot?
correct, has no other use than capture data. was not design to be useful, was design to collect. for selling purposes.
exactly! office products already have temporary saves for when you need to go back to a document and browsers have had history, favourites, startup where you left off etc. since forever. something as simple as a program that connects those things for someone who suffers from finding dory level of memory loss is a lot more useful than asking a chatbot to filter through screenshots
Microsoft has consistently shown a disregard for personal data and security. This will 1000% be exploited to horrifying consequences.
Mr. Hands, don't search it up!
Nah, I dont trust giant corporations. There's always a work around.
Anime characters with white hair are always OP!!
austin please stop slobbing off bill gates
It's only on your system until it's not.
YOU were literally here selling it LAST video…. You, yourself were the ones peddling it…
Matt coming out with the the best ideas like the prick reader. It should also have a option to pump caffeine in to your body for those long work days.
idk what is the difference between ai and digital assistance
"not perfect" no sale.
So, I have an Asus tablet from the days of Windows Arm, it still works but is forever stuck on Windows 10 Build 1909... however, for what I needed, a mobile remote control for certain external hardware... it was, and is, perfect.
Wow. Need to have 1 personal VM and 2nd VM for avatar working .
I'm going to have to get used to Linux. Windows is already insecure; I don't need Big Brother spying on me and calculating my "social credit score" on top of that. (Insert ominous music here.)
How is no one talking about this being blatant copy of the rewind app that has been around for quite some time now.
Because it isn't relevant if it's a copy or not...
Besides, the OS "giants" copying from each other is nothing new.
The more I hear about what Microsoft is doing and planning with AI on a feature level, the more I start thinking about going to a Mac or Linux. Seriously, recording everything on your PC (of course (Wink)) is already a terrible idea. A PC that you're using for work can have a ton of sensitive data that shouldn't be recorded and if anyone can have only 10 seconds with your PC while you're not there for any reason, can search for those with the help of the same AI. And it is on by default.... It is already a privacy nightmare and it is just getting worse with every news drop they make.
We always got a bad OS after a good one and I thought Windows 11 would be the bad one, but what if the next one will be worse? :(
This is some BS. This will be misused by someone at some point.
Remember Windows 98 Plus! ???
nobody like recall, either as a product or as an activity
Asus probably said NO-WARRANTY