Coleman Minibikes Governor Delete Zip Tie Method *Detailed* & Top Speed Run CT200U BT200X
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Thank you for the video, I tried this on a Coleman KT196 go kart, have a stage 1 kit on it.. took the gas tank off and put a small sized zip tie on this governor spring, but then when starting the motor it wanted to run full blast during choke and died when taking choke off. I saw some similar comments here before posting this. What would be causing this? I looped the zip tie thru the same spring, is there anything I should be doing differently?
I'm thinking it's due to either bent linkage, or different linkage. There are a bunch of other videos showing to do this exact thing- I just made my own because those other videos weren't very clear or thorough. Had I know some people were going to have this issue, I would have mentioned that in the video.
None of those other videos ever mention this being an issue either. For what it's worth, out of the tens of thousands of views this video has, only about 5 or so people have made this complaint after performing the modification. So that means for over 99% of people it works, so there has to be something amiss like bent linkage or something like I said to cause this...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I so appreciate your responsiveness and knowledge, thank you! When I took the zip tie off, it operated like normal. I'm wondering if there is really any that big of a difference with these particular parts between the Coleman 196cc and the 200/212? Maybe I used too small of a zip tie? Maybe too tight?
@@buradd They do change things over the years as they produce these. The Coleman 196cc is a Hisun engine and is supposedly a Honda 196 clone. The Predator 212's are basically the same but there are tiny differences between them all. You could try just loosly setting the zip tie on there and experiment with it one or two clicks at a time and see if it will work for you without pulling the throttle open. The tighter it is, the more it will hold back the governor. Apparently on yours, if it's too tight it is somehow holding the throttle open...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I have to get back under the gas tank when I have more time, and I am learning as I go here, but aside from the governor spring, there is that separate rod and spring that is attached to the same governor arm, which appears to facilitate the idle by opening or closing a black piece on the carburetor. turning the idle screw makes that pivoting black piece rest at just the right spot to idle nicely when making air/fuel adjustments to the carb - it appears that when I ziptie the governor spring, it is preventing that other rod and spring from allowing that little black piece on the carb to rest on the idle screw and instead is pinned open, and making the idle act as if I have that idle screw turned all the way in x10 and the wheels want to spin when instead it should be idling nicely resting right where I have the idle screw actually positioned at
@@BuckeyeBallistics so I got back out there and I think it was because of the tiny zip tie that I used, and tightening it all the way.. so now I used the same sized tiny zip tie but I left a little slack in it, and it starts up and idles just fine.. I got up to 32 mph before I backed off the throttle, is that good? It's a KT196 off road go kart, I need new front tires they are getting bald and I didn't want to go any faster.. I'm also getting a tachometer next week and going to put it on to see the RPMs, but I think even just 32mph over stock is pretty good? I weigh 275lbs too and this kart isn't exactly a featherweight itself
I just tried this yesterday on my son's Colman 200 , started it and his bike flew into the air and did a back flip.
Thank you 😂✈️
As you can see, mine did not. Try reading some of the comments here about what causes that...
These motors will handle alot more than people think. I have certainly broken motors but it was never after doing a modification. It was always beyond reasonable abuse of a modified motor with stock crank and rod. They held for a long time.
Thank you for this comment
I zipped my btx as well (Tillotson 212 mk2 motor 18lb valve springs) and moved spring to outermost hole on arm. I'm 250lbs and I get up to 36mph on flat trails with zero valve float or engine bog . These bikes can take a beating 😎👍🏼
I've only had this bike for a day, and I made a beast thanks to you.
Hell yeah. I gotta get started on my performance mods...
Are you still able to rev it without it going forward?
@@natebanana5692 nope
@mcmelonmaster how does your bike run in terms of reliability. I am looking forward to do this to my bike.
@@FatMajorKoob it hasn't changed.
This is the first video of yours that I’m watching and just by your intro I knew I was gonna like your content and subbed
Welcome to the channel
I put a 60 tooth sprocket on mine . I lost 3 miles an hour but this thing will pull wheelies off the line now
Awesome vid! I’m getting hyped to work on mine keep up the vids you make things easy to follow!
Yes sir! I noticed a lot of the minibike videos out there weren't the greatest quality or giving clear instructions. So hopefully all mine will get lot's of views even though I'm not a dedicated minibike channel- But you will certainly see somewhat regular bike videos on this channel! About to start videoing and installing the stage 1 kits on em, and have plenty more mods and vids to come. Appreciate the support!
@@BuckeyeBallistics awesome! I picked up mine today a tornado crisis xD 2020 bt200x used for 300, it got hit with a car when the last owner had it but so far it seems to run fine but I don’t know much about the engine, the foot peg is bent, the headlight doesn’t turn on, and the throttle cables and whatnot are tight and restrict turning a little bit. Any tips?
Cut the zip ties off the cables and re-tie them losely where they don't impede anything.
I've got the same bike. I took the plastic off and headlight, put a better exhaust and air filter on. Looks pretty cool and really barks. I'm quite a bit lighter so I should get some good speed out of it. Thanks. I've got the links to the parts if your interested on one of my more recent videos. Have fun on that bike bud.
your videos break it down way simpler than everyone else keep it going :)
Yeah I felt the other videos out there were lacking in detail, so I made my own.
If i changed the carb that was not linked to the gov but dont want to remove the gear internaly is it ok to just let the arm lose or should i put a small spring on it ? thanks in advance
The throttle got stuck and I killed it with the switch 😂 and played with the idle fast asf lol but I put it back stock great experience thanks bro
I'm 300lbs and have a 212 predator on a tao tao 110 frame and it scoots along just fine !
Great video buddy! I gotta do that to mine to try and keep up with my son. We've built his he gets 40mph and haven't done mine yet so this will help a little. Oh ya thanks for answering all the questions in the comments. Ya know alot of em are from kids who jus wanna go fast
Yeah, their moms would hate me lol
@@BuckeyeBallistics so just to verify this method works good for not blowing up your engine or ruining anything and have you been using it for a while? I’m just curious as to how long it would take to injure the bike in a bad way by going too hard.
Your verification is *incorrect* - somebody didn't pay enough attention to the video! I blatantly stated in the video that doing this modification could allow the engine to rev too high which could damage a stock engine. If your bike is completely stock and you want a little more speed without having to worry about harming the engine, then you can bypass/eliminate the throttle stop to achieve this. I made a video showing how to do this as well- check it out in the mini bike & atv playlist on my channel for quick access, or else have fun scrolling to find it lol.
Gov spring relocation is a much better solution, only takes a few minutes longer, drill the hole, this is a temporary solution. You should oil the clutch after every ride, use zoom turbine oil, oil the chains and tensioner. The tensioner will wear out though, its a wear item.
Hey just got a coleman ct200u and it shuts off when ur full throttle on road like the governor shuts it off if I ziptie it will that fix it
30 mph with stock gearing on the Coleman 200's is around 5400 RPM. It's good that the extra load prevented higher RPM on your run here. When you hear a guy say they got to 32 mph, they were right at valve float at around 5800 RPM.
Both of my bikes are governed to around 5K at the moment. And both are adjustable with the throttle screw. I use the max RPM recall function on my tach when I test them.
Hmm. Guess I should get a tach already and check for myself.
So you would say that 25 30 mph isn’t bad for the engine? I did the zip tie method but I’m still trying to get a little more information.
How did you govern it to be 5000rpm specifically? I would like to do the same
@M Lewis - He either removed or zip tied the governor, and then set the throttle limit screw at just the right spot where it would hold 5000rpm while riding (verified by his tach).
@@marquislewis1767 By changing the throttle springs position on the governor arm. Some engines have the extra hole near the end of the governor arm just in from the throttle rod and it's spring, some don't. I use that hole. If it's not there I drill one.
Both of my bikes run the stock driver on the torque converter so I do not need high RPM. Both engines are governed with the stock carb and linkage. My 196 topped out on the road right at 5K RPM and didn't hit the governor. My 224 topped out at 5550 RPM and didn't hit the governor. Both are adjustable.
Great detail and super clear vid. Keep it up!
Great video, doing this to mine tomorrow, great channel
Thanks
Good to know info, thanks
God Bless (us all)
I can't just use a normal ziptie theres different size widths what size width do i need? The ones I used wouldn't go through
Good vid, but I took the whole thing apart and couldn’t get one of the bolts out cause it’s so tight which I’m kinda screwed cause I have a zip tie in just by looking through it without taking anything Part and makes an obnoxious sound cause the hip tie isn’t cut and I have two small ones in
I did it to mine and now I love it it goes probably 25 miles per hour faster and makes a real nice crackling sound when I let off the gas
yea the nice burble tune😂
Useful for ppl who want to buy these
I hope you’re doing well, when they where stock minibike, which one did you enjoy riding the most
The camo bike is my favorite, more comfortable and enjoyable to ride.
The only thing I like better about the 200ex over the bt200x, is the bt200x will nosedive (front shock too softaybe?)
when hitting brakes hard or turning fast on the trails.
I think that's because it's a little heavier and also has you sit in a position where more of the rider weight is over the front. Likewise, because of the weight distributions, the EX pushes around corners sometimes under full throttle where the X never does.
All I did was zip tie the governor on my stock 196cc any advice?
and am i correct in assuming you've already cut your throttle limit screw on carb linkage base?
Yes- I mentioned this in the video...
Right on brother 👍 content great
Hey it’s me again, at this point I’m your best fan, I was just wondering if it held up well overtime and if you still have it, and yeah really enjoy your videos so thanks you really show dedication answering questions and it proves how great you are so thanks, I just want this to last.
Well I actually owe you an apology, so I'm glad you contacted me again. On your last string of comments, I did not realize which video those comments were on and thus accused you of not paying attention/skipping through the video- I thought it was this video! In my defense, probably because you said "governor" instead of throttle stop (which was the other video), so that's why I thought it was this governor video.
So I'm assuming you found the information you were asking about in this video then? That is, about potential engine problems from revving the engine high? I still haven't had any issues but I don't keep the bike screaming at high rpm at high speed for more than a second or two. Being only 7 years old as you claim (your grammar is suspiciously good for a 7 year old), you will need to be more cafeful because the bike will go even faster and rev even higher due to your much lighter body weight.
As long as you don't take the bike higher than 5000rpm it should be fine. I would recommend the electronic tachometers you can get on amazon, ebay, and even minibike/gocart sites so that you can monitor the rpm's and keep it at a safe level. If you want a higher top speed without over revving the engine, you can straight chain it (bypass the jack shaft) and do 40+ without revving it's guts out- but it'll be slow off the line. To avoid that, you can instead install a torque converter/cvt (belt) drive and get acceleration AND 40mph without over revving, but it will slip if you get it wet whereas chain drive will not...
@@BuckeyeBallistics thank you so much! I looked at some torque converters, it seems super complicated and I don’t know if I can do it, I will take the risk with the removal of those governors, but one final question. I was thinking about buying one of those air filters that stick out because apparently they actually help a lot, but if I get one of them and go on a dirt or gravel area, will it ruin the filter or are those better filters meant for it? Thanks again
@@Up.North.Fishing Well I assumed you had a dad or uncle or grandpa or something that could help you out (if you were allowed to modify the bike). As for the external filter, you *can* technically add one of those by itself, but I don't think it will do much by itself without the matching header pipe and proper jet size in the carb to match. And if your bike is a newer Coleman like mine (which bike do you have btw?), they have an "epa" carburetor where you can't change the jet size; so you'd have to get a whole new carb to change the jets.
As for the external filter getting dirty, yes they absolutely will and when they get dirty you will have *reduced* performance. A couple minutes of riding in dusty conditons will coat it in no time, and you will have to blow it out. Also, one splash of water on those exposed filters and it will suck water into the engine and ruin it if it sucks up enough. Water and dust and then you have a muddy filter that won't breathe at all...
I know they make waterproof "outerwear" filter covers for atvs and dirtbikes that are waterproof and reduce dirt getting onto the filter as well- perhaps they make them for the little minibike filters as well. I'm almost positive I've seen them somewhere before...
@@BuckeyeBallistics yes I do have a mini bike it’s the bt200x version and okay that helps, I saw on one of your videos that if you put a big whole in the block, it helps a lot, giving more air intake and giving it a couple more mphs, so I will do that but block the whole in dirt conditions with duck tape or something, so thanks again.
@@Up.North.Fishing What block and what hole? I don't know what you're talking about. Which video?
Is it possible to set the zip tie to a certain tightness to allow some play room of the governor spring, but not enough without activating the arm? Basically the tighter the zip-tie, the more RPM's, in theory?
Yes, I did exactly that on my other bike to keep it where I wanted it.
@@BuckeyeBallistics awesome! I'm going to install an OBM Stage 2 Kit on mine and apply this method to the governor and cut the throttle stop. Will be using this as my commute to and from work!
Lol nice, I would have done that if I lived close to work. Fyi, it'll do 40+ mph completely stock if you straight chain it or install a belt drive cvt/converter.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Do you have a video on straight chaining? I'm not the most mechanically inclined LOL
I do not. Check out the channel "Black66" - he might have one. Or "fatbuddycat" Tell them I sent you...
Dude the overweight part made me lol 😂 good vid
Nice job!
Thanks buddycat
instead of a zip tie would replacing the throttle spring with the honda one work?
No it wouldn't. What he's showing here is just the cheap and easy way to higher RPM. Guys who know what they're doing and don't mind the extra work aren't going to do this.
Nice video so by doing this you don’t need to open up your engine and take it out ? Because I seen other videos doing so
Did you see me take out the engine in the video? Lol. No, when they do that they are removing the actual governer itself inside the engine. This method is just bypassing it, instead of completely removing it as they do. Much easier!
@@BuckeyeBallistics nice ! Thanks i will be doing this I got one of them baby’s coming
Break it in first before you rev it's guts out by bypassing the governor. Also heed my warnings in this video about doing this. And lastly, I made a video about changing the oil and checking the valve lash for it's 10hr service. You can view this and my other minibike videos easily on the minibike playlist on the channel. Have fun 🤙
@@BuckeyeBallistics do i need to cut the the screw that prevents me from twisting the throttle more off , does it matter if i do or am i supposed to if i do this zip tie trick
I did both and both add more speed. Checkout the playlist for the throttle stop delete video.
Hahaa dang you like the same stuff as me. Got the 200ex camo and their 'new' RT200, (same as the RB200 which is old stock they bought from Monster Moto, but in RealTree camo) mini bikes and a red Mustang ('97 manual) and a hot rod Chevy El Camino. No Ford/Chevy bigotry here
I'm having a problem where it feels like the clutch is always engaging, like it wants to go if you dont hold the brake. I loosened the throttle cable and thats not the problem. Its a bt200x 212cc with stage 1 and aftermarket carburetor which I did not install myself I bought it like this with the problem. It sounds like the centrifugal clutch is rattling when I ride like a Ducati would but not in a good way. The bolt that holds it in is tight I checked that.
Lower your idle see what happens
If I put this mod onto my Massimo MB200 Will I have any problems with the Engine?
I don't believe so, but I'm not making any guarantees. I've seen several videos of people doing this to the Massy and Trailmaster MB200's without any issues...
Hey bro! Was it accelerating much better? Or how did it feel? Not noticable difference?
Acceleration? No. Top speed? Yes.
@@BuckeyeBallistics thanks alot! Do you know if you can replace current lights with some better? Without replaxing it with brand new headlight and everything?
That I'm not sure. If you haven't bypassed the throttle stop yet, check my video out on that too. That will help you accelerate slightly faster as well as gain some speed. I did that first, and then did the gov in this video.
@@BuckeyeBallistics thanks alot for your answer bro. When you did the throttle stop, do you think its stressing the motor? Or is it ok to do so?
Throttle stop, no. Governor, yes- I discussed that in this video.
so other than the throttle stop you just did the zip tie method? no stage 1 upgrades..new jets?
Yes, just the throttle stop delete and zip tie governor bypass. No stage 1, no new jets, nothin. Those are next though.
I just did it but my bike starts to go by it self when I let go of the break do I have to turn down the idle screw?
Zip tie is a little too tight
Nice video, yours was pretty well explained compared to others. I don't get it though. It looks like the governor is attached to the spring with when enough tension is on the spring triggers the governor. So by restricting the stretch of the spring, wouldn't that trigger the governor immediately?
There is a mechanism inside the engine that pulls the lever towards the front of the bike when the rpm gets too high. When it pulls the lever, this causes it to close the throttle some via the linkage running from the lever to the carb, thus keeping the rpms from going higher. The part of the spring that I tied in this video stretches forward when this happens, allowing the lever to travel forward, thus closing off the throttle. When you zip tie that part of the spring as shown in this video, it does not allow it to stretch, therefore denying the lever movement, therefore bypassing the governor.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Okay I think I understand now, thank you. Basically I was envisioning the process happening in reverse to how it actually operates. I was thinking the first action was the spring getting stretched and then the 2nd action would be the governor initiating based on the spring stretch. It seems the Governor acts first though, and through that spring then restricts the throttle. So the governor arm still wants to act, but the spring not stretching isn't allowing it to push forward like it wants to.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Thanks again for the response. Picked a bt200x up a few days ago and cut off the throttle screw, great improvement. Going to head outside and give this one a shot now too. Cheers.
Anytime. Just be careful not to over rev it as I mentioned in the video.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Well I still don't fully understand it but it definitely works! Yeah, I can't believe some people want to rev it even higher than that. Scary! lol.
Great vid man! What happens if the zip tie breaks and governor kicks in while your riding fast? My kids ride it....thanks!
The governor just pulls the throttle back, so it would just suddenly let off the throttle. Here is a short video I made showing how it works: th-cam.com/video/IfpXL4djdxI/w-d-xo.html
@@BuckeyeBallistics thanks man Ill check it out! I wanted to make sure it wasn't ejecto seato while my son was riding lol
Depends on rider skill lol. Always teach your kids where and what the kill switch is for, have them practice using it...
@@BuckeyeBallistics he knows how to ride, my thought was if any rider regardless of skill level was going 30mph and that governor gears kicks in unexpectedly and puts you at a dead stop you are going over the handlebars no matter how good you are. I assume it wouldn't stop on a dime but I just don't know...
I had one lock up on pavement when the chain broke and got jammed in the rear sprocket at full speed. The tire screeched louder than a car tire lol, smoked too. I ALMOST went over 😁 Happend in the grass another time in a high speed corner- lots of drivfting sideways and really fast footwork and still barely made it 🤣
Favor and peace be increased to you all. Having trouble with my chain slapping the frame and there's some strange grinding rub noise coming from clutch or motor I'm not sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
My ct100u just started doing the chain slapping thing; I had to adjust the tensioner pulley which helped some, but there is still too much slack in the chain so I think I need to remove a link and re-adjust the tensioner. As for the grinding sound, most likely the clutch, but I would have to hear it. You are technically supposed to put a few drops of oil onto the clutch shaft/bearing every ride. Try that and see if it helps. But again, without hearing it for myself, I'm shooting in the dark. Thank you for the kind wishes, God bless you.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Thank you brother. I will oil the clutch and see what happens. Thanks a bunch and God bless you as well!
@@praisethefatherpraisetheso1939 did you figure out what it was? And does it want to stall at idle abs deceleration and makes a winding grinding noise? That's what mine is doing :o
I tried cleaning carb, replacing carb, cleaning clutch, replacing clutch, I replaced the oil, replaced spark plug. Losing my mind lol
@@austenbutler1 had same problem. oil the clutch generously
@J M - But not on the friction surfaces lol
This works great. Out the box bike took off fast but was super slow I’m hitting 32 mph no with just the zip tie. Haven’t had any issues out of it yet.
how long have you had it?
hello LOVE THE VIDEO CAN U PLEASE HELP ME THANK U.. I USED THE ZIPTIE TRICK ON MY COIEMAN CT200U EXR AND MADE MY BIKE ALOT FASTER!! .. BUT MY ENGINE AT TOP SPEED STARTED TO BRACK UP. WHEN I TURNED OFF THE ENGINE IT BACKFRIED AND THE MUFFLER STARTED TO SMOKE.. TOOK IT OUT AGAIN THIS TIME IT DIDNT BACKFRIER AND MUFFLER DIDNT SMOKE... IS THIS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT??
Yes, you are revving it too high- I discussed this in the video. This is why you shouldn't skip through an educational video, because then you miss parts of the education...
so can u tell me what to do. thank u..
Get something like this and keep it under 5000rpm- amzn.to/3xxaEVr
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Just bought a Coleman 196cc from Tractor Supply. About to do this same trick and hopefully the zip-ties I use won't snap after a day or so. They're Hyper Tough zippies so they should hold for.....maybe a month or so.
You should break in the engine first before you rev it that high or you're just asking for it...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Done broke it in with a few WOT pulls before the zippies mod. The engine dipstick appeared to have a yellow liquid at the tip before I bought it so I figured "Well I guess the factory done broke it in so heck." And so I literally spent twenty bucks on a jug of 10w30 and filled it up until it began to overflow and then poured back what was puking out of the oil fill plug. The bike even had tags all over it saying "This vehicle was shipped WITHOUT oil in crankcase. Please fill with appropriate oil before first start." I'm not even kidding.
Can doing this ever cause the throttle to get stuck open? Or is something else causing this issue for some people?
It shouldn't unless your linkage is bent or something. Sometimes people try to do this without removing the parts that I did in the video. In doing so, it's not hard to bend the linkage. Also, if you don't trim off the tail on the zip tie, I could see it getting caught on stuff and possibly keeping the throttle open. Adding the zip tie just simply keeps the spring from expanding when the governor trys to pull out on it, thus denying operation of the governor. If you do it exactly as I show in the video, then there won't be any issues with the throttle sticking as a byproduct. If it does, there is something else going on...
I see u looped the zip tie with no slack. Another dude used 2-4inch zipties connected inside spring
Love the over weight part of your video ....diet coming soon best part of the video 😂
I tried this zip tie method today but when I took it for a spin afterwards I can't say I really noticed much of a difference. But who knows maybe was going slightly faster but not enough to feel the difference. I gotta download one of those Speedometer apps on my phone and see. But now I feel like I messed something up while screwing around with the springs cause I noticed when I twist the throttle that little black throttle switch above the carburator doesn't go fully to open. It stops like a 1/8th of an inch short of full throttle. This stuff is so confusing to me. I really don't know what the hell I'm doing. I am far from a mechanic and only sorta know what to do from watching people do it on youtube. This should be real interesting when I attempt to put on a Torque Converter lol.
You have to bypass the trottle stop first or you might not be able to take full advantage of this mod. I posted a video of the throttle stop bypass/delete as well (check my minibike playlist). If you already performed that, then perhaps you did indeed bend part of the linkage or something.
I’m 220 with the same bike, but I only ride dirt trails, I imagine this should be safe to do on dirt since it won’t grip as good as road?
What does grip have to do with the governer? I'm not seeing the logic- maybe if you word it differently.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I believe it wouldn’t rev as high on dirt, as it does on pavement or flat road?
Depends on the dirt I suppose. Hard packed dirt isn't going to rob anymore power than pavement. You can adjust how high it revs by not sinching the ziptie up all the way...
when i did this, after about 20 mph it started viberationg vary bad, is it supposed to do that?
Yeah mine did too
@@BuckeyeBallisticsis it ok if it does this?
Bro !!! Holy shit!!! The bike went from speedy to fucking fast!!!! Dude lmao thanks I’ll be careful
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Couldn't the gov spring just be replaced with a solid wire so there is no give?
There are multiple ways to do it- this is just one of them, specifically one that requires no fabrication...
what do i need to do to my bike with the zip tie mod to make sure its safe?? pls reply i need the speed.
Get an electronic/digital tachometer to monitor the engine speed and keep it under 5000rpm. You can get them on amazon for around $30...
@@BuckeyeBallistics thanks my man
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I’m about to add zip tie to mine tormw I just got a Coleman 200 CT200u ex can’t wait for the extra speed
Careful, speed kills 😅 Don't forget the throttle stop too which I also posted a video of if you haven't done that already.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I haven’t I’ll watch all your videos before I break something that is just a week old
Check out the minibike playlist on the channel for the ones you missed 👍
@@BuckeyeBallistics will do I was gonna start tonite just barrowed tools needed for this project 👌
So I test drove my bike today after the zip tie modification man it’s fast .... not sure how accurate the app was that checked MPH but the bike got up to 33 mph and could of gone faster but I didn’t wanna I got sketched out 😂
im not too knowledgeable about vehicle stuff, but i did the mod and it feels like it vibrates quite a bit more, is that normal?
Mine did the same thing. Just keep it below the point that it vibrates, or at least don't stay there very long.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I actually got it fixed, happened to be my chain was loose, had to tighten it and now it doesnt vibrate except for a second or two when going about half speed
Cool
i was trying to do this but the spring fell off 😕 what should i do?
Uh, put it back on. Or are you saying it broke? In which case, order a new one from coleman. OR, if it isn't affecting anything, then don't worry about it- but I'm pretty sure it affects the throttle comming back or something, depending on which spring/rod/wire.
Good walk thru video for folks. Gopowersports makes torque converter for the Hisun. It helps a lot with acceleration, speed, & keeping rpms down.
Also did stage 1 plus stock replacement non EPA carb with upgraded emulsion tube & 38 jet, 8 degree advance timing key, 9 tooth front sprocket and the lil digi tach to watch rpm.
Runs 44 on a flat about 4800 but takes time to get there. 48 down hill about 5200 with 220 pound rider. Oh added 18 lb valve springs for valve float safety. 18 hours run time on it since I added the digi tach & hour meter. Hoping to get a lil better acceleration and top speed out of it with a little lower gearing but I really don’t trust it to turn more than 5k on a flat. So may try 10/60 sprockets.
Nice build. I'm going to get a torque converter eventually just to play with, but I plan to build these engines to run 7000rpm and I don't think the converters operate that high.
@@BuckeyeBallistics lol well actually I bought two. The second I built a stage 2 Tilliotson and used a juggernaut converter. It turns 7,000 and accelerates hard to 55 on a flat with the same 9 tooth front sprocket.
Nice. I have the BT200X, CT200U-EX, and a CT100U. As I said in the video, eventually doing motor swaps, after I experiment with the factory Hisun and a Predator.
have you experimented with how tight/loose the zip tie is? I don't want to risk busting the engine up to I might just tighten it half way
No I just sinched it up all the way, but I know you can leave it a little loose like you mentioned to still let it kick in at some point. I still haven't got a tachometer, so I just back off a little when it gets real buzzy- you can feel it.
Good taste in bikes and car. I'm into trucks too GMC/Chevy
Same, I just can't afford one yet lol.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I hear ya I just bought a Sierra 50k and I would like to get a 2003 Cobra. Lol...I'm picking up a Coleman 200UEX mini bike next week pretty stoked
I got 34 outta mine!!! I only weigh 137 tho.
What happens if you just remove that zip tied spring all together?
The throttle may not return correctly
@@BuckeyeBallistics hey man, I went ahead and did that zip tie trick. So much better, i got about 10 mph more on my massimo warrior.
I like those bikes- I want to get a blue MB200
I did the screw mod by unscrewing a little and it backfires at 30mph like a popping sound from the exhaust is that bad?
Yeah that's your valves floating, mine did the same around 30-31mph. Keep it just under that speed so you don't mess it up (all this was mentioned in the video). This is where you need to upgrade the valve springs so the vales don't float. But when you do that and go even faster with the new springs, then that's where you have to worry about the flywheel shattering and should replace the flywheel. The rod/rod bearing can do the same thing as well. Basically keep it just under 30mph, or prepare to either blow it or have to put a bunch of $$$ into it to keep it from doing so. Or you can change the sprokets so that it wont rev that high until 35-40mph, but then it will take longer to get going with that sproket setup and might burn up the clutch if you ride offroad. Or there's also the torque converter option which will let you go faster without over revving it (if you get the right one and leave the bike stock). If you're talking abput the throttle stops screw though, it shouldn't let it go that fast- mine only went 23 with the screw out.
@@BuckeyeBallistics thank you for the feedback and ya all i did was unscrew the screw a little so the throttle could go further and according to the mph tracker its going 30-31mph, was a but suprised
That's odd. Was the bike used? Maybe someone already removed the gorvernor if so.
@@BuckeyeBallistics no sir, straight out the box ive had it two days just did the screw removal this morning and its going, im not pushing it much tho because of valve float like u said
I wonder if the spring for the governor is connected then, or they forgot the governor gear at the factory lol.
Im doing this tomorrow
Have fun 👍
My spring came out and I don’t know how to put it on
Will this damage or affect the bike?
I discussed that in the video...
These Coleman mini-bikes are WIMPY ,,,
When I was 13 y.o. I had an old 10 HP , cast iron B&S engine on my mini-bike, It would do a steady 38 MPH wide open. Had a dry clutch, one gear.
Then my Dad's friend welded in a 2-speed transfer box, 2-gears, stick shift,, Hi-LO , that mini-bike would go 50 MPH.
Good fun, rode that mini-bike everywhere till I got my first dirt bike, at 15 y.o. a 1975 Honda XR75., then later at 16 y.o. I bought a used CR 125 Elsinore.
I was fortunate that while I grew up poor I did have some cool bikes and stuff.
It was all second hand, but it was way more than other kids in my neighborhood had.
👀those look dope
Thanks fam
@@BuckeyeBallistics no problem. I probably will fall off if I was to hop on😂😂😂😬
Don't be scurrred
I have a gx200 and if I do this will I blow the motor?
Perhaps you should pay attention to the part of the video where I discussed that...
Guy what will happens if you just took off the spring because I was going to do that but I don’t want to die
Yeah don't do it if you want to live... throttle make stick open and you will DIE 😅
Nice video. Thanks for explaining so succinctly.
Btw, guns and cars…wish someone like you was my neighbor. Instead of the grumpy old b-tards I got living next to me now who complain anytime they hear the sonic crack of a .22 or the thump of a big bore dirtbike.
That's MY neighbors lol. We were practically enemies with 3 of the 4 until the new guy moved in last year. The ones in front of us called the cops on me TWICE for shooting guns in my back yard, even though the cops said it was fine each time. The one next to me had dogs get loose and they ripped open our rabbit cage and were killing our rabbits. I didn't know they were his dogs because I had never seen them before, thought it was a wild pack (we have those around here). I shot them, so naturally he hated me for that even though I could have pressed charges on HIM for damages. I even called the sherriff out to report it and the sherriff said I was in the right, but the guy still hated me for it. Should have sued him! One of the other neighbors tried to report me to the county because I had a lot of cars and he didn't like my driveway looking like a car dealership lol.
is it safer for the engine to have the zip tie looser then you had it tide on
Yes, which will obviously lower the speed and rpms some. But if you go down a steep enough hill it will probably still rev too high at full throttle. Or just get an electronic tach as I mentioned in the video to monitor the rpms and keep it below 5000rpm.
@@BuckeyeBallistics is it hard to set up one on the bike
The tach? No it's pretty easy. I'll probably do a video on one in a couple months when I get one.
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Speeeeeed! 😅
Did the zip tie method just keep your drinking hand in check don’t blow it up went from bone stock Coleman ct 200u 19 MPH to 31.2 Mph after the method !!!
So what happens if you just remove the spring??
Not 100% sure but I think your throttle won't return, so you'll be stuck accelerating and won't be able to stop.
I did that plus the throttle screw removed and I hit 40 for a couple seconds then it started back firing and then stopped and wouldn’t work for a couple minutes why is that?
This is why it's important not to skip through *INSTRUCTIONAL* videos kids...
@@BuckeyeBallistics is it cause of valve float?
@@BuckeyeBallistics I’m stupid… it was out of gas my bad I had to walk it back a mile down the road but thanks for the trick it’s rly fun
You're gonna blow it up because you didn't heed my advice in the video about revving it too high...
@@BuckeyeBallistics ig I’ll watch the video again cause everything was fine when I filled it back up
I occasionally rev it out but never hold it full throttle for a long time.
Same
Fuckin dope intro. Subscribed
Thanks man
I did this and it still wouldnt rev. Installed an ARC billett flywheel, 22 lb springs and it still wont rev past about 4000 rpm, it starts getting choppy like there is an engine rev limiter on it
Did you delete the throttle stop? Because there is both a throttle stop, and also the governor. The zip tie method is just an easy bypass/cheat and certainly isn't permanent nor an extremely reliable method. You may have to completely remove the governor from inside the engine- there are several videos on youtube showing how to do that. I will post my own later this year when I remove mine...
I cut the throttle stop off completely. I didnt use a zip tie, I replaced the spring with a solid rod. It barely revs any higher than stock. My old Baja Warrior flew with just a zip tie, this 2021 Coleman CT200U-EX is MUCH slower.
If the baja warrior had a belt drive system then that would be why, as the "torque converter" gives much higher top speed on stock/lightly modified bikes. Mine is screaming in the video, definately around 5000rpm- I even felt the valves float and the engine crack up some when I went down a slight hill and hit a few mph higher. So either the baja had a belt system, you messed with the linkage and thats why the tie method won't work, or maybe your gearing is wrong (if it has been messed with). I don't know what to tell you man- mine is reving high enough to float the valves if I don't back out of it. As I said, try removing the governor completely. If it doesn't change after that, then you definately got something else going on. Good luck.
No, the MB200 has a torque convertor, the Baja Warrior had a clutch and jack shaft
Link to bike in description 👍
Can you make a video of good places to hide your AirTag on you your two wheeler
I don't do bike videos anymore, nor have I ever used an AirTag- but I will tell you, I'd take the seat apart and hide it inside the foam. Anywhere else is gonna rattle the crap out of it until it doesn't work, plus that's probably the best hiding place anyway. Hide it in like the front tip of the seat so it won't get sat on...
i went 38mph on a ct100u from just getting a longer throttle cable and moving it around
This is basically a "f*ck you, governor" 😂
I did this. Got to 34mph. Ill keep it at 26 or less to play it safe.
Lmao same here i cut it off and put it back stock
I just did this and now with no throttle the bike wants to go. Any ideas?
Try doing it a little looser (the zip tie). You must have bent linkage or something.
@@BuckeyeBallistics thanks man ill tear at it tomorrow again was kinda thinking the same thing
Try this. My buddies bike had same isse: The smaller spring in front of the larger one. Stretch that out a little. It's pulling on the carburetor too much and won't allow a low idle.
Make sure the black part on top of carb can return to seated position at idle. Or it's possible dirt got into that govener arm fulcrum point. Clean and lightly grease with caliper grease.
@@Zac19088 thanks for your input. I actually got it figured out adjusting the actual throttle cable and cutting a bit off that spring. Throttle functions way better too that spring is way too big just a bit of advice maybe that can help you out if your throttle feels a little tough.
Yeah I followed your instructions to the letter and the bike took off from my hands the moment I started it . Lol
Loosen the zip tie some. Your thottle linkage/cable is either too tight or bent, so when you sinched up the zip tie, it pulled on the throttle some.
so what would happen if the zip tie broke while riding
It would just go back to the way it was before you tied it...
This is a very nice modification if you have a floating valve just get new valve springs my bike made it up to 40 mph with the stock valve springs
rip your flywheel
Could you just take the spring off?
Throttle may not return correctly
Lmao I blew my light bulb out on mine after zip tying the governor spring down. Only had it for 2 days and already have to buy a new bulb 🤣🤣🤣 I didn’t even think about the extra RPM’s going to the light lmao
Hmmm. Mine still worked last I checked. Now you got me wondering...
@@BuckeyeBallistics lmao. I ain’t too worried about it. I found some LED 80w bulbs on Amazon I’m gonna put on it. But also, my bike went up to 34 mph. Yours didn’t get up that high.
Also, I cinched my zip tie pretty much all the way down on that spring. I didn’t let it open up at all.
I might also note that I did this on my Coleman CT200U EX-V. And I’m about 220 pounds, maybe 230 now. I haven’t checked in a while. 🤣
Mine started floating the valves at around 31-32mph. Afterward, I found one was loose/out of spec when I checked lash at the 10hr service interval, so maybe that's why.
You should put a big lopy cam in the mustang
Turbo 😉👍
I just took the spring off mine is that ok
You throttle may stick and not return, which is why we either do this zip tie method, or remove the internal governor in the engine...
@@BuckeyeBallistics my spring broke and I can't fix it but it will start but has no throttle
@@BuckeyeBallistics I don't know how to fix it
Buy a new spring. Amazon, ebay, gopowersports, and even Coleman themselves should have options for replacing the spring...
@@BuckeyeBallistics ok thanks
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I tried this and then took it off, now my bike wont rev over 1500 rpm
What if you just take the spring out
Do it and find out 😅 Your throttle will stick.
I’m new to mini bikes but couldn’t you just take off the spring entirely?
No because that's also a return spring and you might end up with your throttle stuck wide open if you remove it...
@@BuckeyeBallistics oooh ok thanks
I did this to mine and now I have no control over the throttle I dont know what I did wrong
What happened