Open Bar #17 - Kenobi Disaster, Rings of Power In Trouble, Johnny Depp Wins!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
  • Join me, MauLer and Disparu as we cover the news of the week. Lucasfilm desperately tries to gaslight Star Wars fans as Kenobi turns into a disaster, Rings of Power tries to win back LOTR fans and George RR Martin gets salty that nobody cares about his new show.

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  • @Krampusvongrinch
    @Krampusvongrinch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +828

    Really good discussion on how Vader is goal-orientated and his atrocities are in service to those goals rather than just for the sake of “being evil”. The trouble is, Darth Vader is Lawful Evil and the writers are Chaotic Stupid.

    • @kevinbeaver8534
      @kevinbeaver8534 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I u mm m
      6muilmikumku0 6muilmikumku0
      United Arab no
      M

    • @iivin4233
      @iivin4233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I never thought about Vader that way but it is true and even if it weren't, a goal oriented Vader is more complex than the screaming child we got in the prequels and sequels.

    • @Nexus-6
      @Nexus-6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      'Chaotic Stupid' - I'll have to add that to my alignment chart. 😂👌

    • @fictiontheorizer1991
      @fictiontheorizer1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@iivin4233 I liked him in the Phantom Menace. We definitely deserved better than the screaming teenager though.

    • @anzelmpup3346
      @anzelmpup3346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Chatotic stupid is my favorite alignment now. Thank you.

  • @papalaz4444244
    @papalaz4444244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    Remember that time Darth Vader killed Obi Wan Kenobi in the Death Star and Luke was really upset, and Leia gave exactly zero fks and gave no impression she had ever met him?

    • @brianlagrant9757
      @brianlagrant9757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Maybe he'll Men in Black her memory before the series ends. LOL.

    • @dorianshepard2841
      @dorianshepard2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      ​@@brianlagrant9757 Tessa Thompson will show up as a secret jedi named valkyrie and mind trick Leia into believing they never met and then that's how Kenobi learns how to do the mind tricks he forgot about it

    • @StaticDreads
      @StaticDreads 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Then recruit kenobi to the avengers

    • @newtpondskipper
      @newtpondskipper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Pepperidge Farms remembers.

    • @ppsarrakis
      @ppsarrakis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brianlagrant9757 not maybe,this is gonna happen,or a traumatic force attack by the sith.

  • @nomaddamon2001
    @nomaddamon2001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +260

    0:40 - Hello
    1:29 - Disparu Enters
    2:05 - Congratulations Johnny Depp
    12:20 - *Obi-Wan Kenobi*
    1:32:56 - *Rings of Power*
    1:47:35 - George R.R. Martin & House of the Dragon
    2:06:40 - Superchats
    2:49:40 - Disparu Exits

    • @aronblanche
      @aronblanche 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Thanks

    • @deepaknambisan3251
      @deepaknambisan3251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      You da real MVP etc. Thank you.

    • @fugu_3467
      @fugu_3467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      you could say Disparu disappeared...

    • @watermusic4381
      @watermusic4381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      People like you are the real heroes. 👍👏

    • @MoriMemento117
      @MoriMemento117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks man!

  • @nont18411
    @nont18411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Whenever Disney tried to call the fans racist for not liking their character, just don’t forget what they did to Finn and John Boyega in order to appease Chinese government.

    • @no_activity
      @no_activity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      He had so much potential, and they did nothing with him.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      they basically murdered Finn as well, he could have been a great character and they made him into a shite "diversity hire" weak and sad male

    • @garethdevlin5399
      @garethdevlin5399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If there was a new star wars movie would it do well at the box office I mean most star wars fans know it would be bad drinker predicted the ending of Kenobi show we kinda know this was going to happen anyway

    • @kenjifox4264
      @kenjifox4264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@garethdevlin5399 punctuation my friend.

    • @psychokinrazalon
      @psychokinrazalon ปีที่แล้ว

      Government or the people?

  • @HolyMith
    @HolyMith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +305

    Amber's friends: "Just accuse him of domestic abuse, women win literally every time. You're so brave and strong boo, you go gurl (etc etc)"
    Jonny Depp: "Nah, hold my spyglass."

    • @robbomegavlkafenryka6158
      @robbomegavlkafenryka6158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      “It seems you have forgotten; that I am, in fact, Captain Jack Sparrow.”

    • @ohnosmoarlulcatz
      @ohnosmoarlulcatz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Johnny Depp: "Your honor, here is an audio recording of Amber Turd beating me."

    • @Nunya310
      @Nunya310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      “Hold my mega pint”

    • @HisNameWasCrazy
      @HisNameWasCrazy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ohnosmoarlulcatz News Media: "What recording, all I heard was evil internet influencers plotting world domination?"

    • @MrGlenakatheone
      @MrGlenakatheone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      “I gave Marilyn Manson a pill…so he would stop talking so much.”

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    Mad to think we'd live in the futuristic year of 2022, and all we'd want is to go back to late 90s/early 00s entertainment.
    God, they were golden days...

    • @jack_meoff69
      @jack_meoff69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I'll take the 80s and 90s please and thank you

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@jack_meoff69 Good choice, loved 80s action films.
      I just think late 90s struck that great tone of story and action with thing like The Matrix and Falling Down.

    • @braindeadgaming273
      @braindeadgaming273 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah and you could actually live off a income

    • @RM_VFX
      @RM_VFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      There were 3 good solid decades of true post-studio system blockbusters, before the over-CG'd downfall, committee films, and corporate wokeness ruined things. At least now we can watch the good old stuff in 4K HDR.

    • @skylx0812
      @skylx0812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm surprised Mathilda May was never forced to apologize to the green hair mob for strolling around in Lifeforce wearing only a pair of special contact lenses.
      Gedde Watanabe had to apologize to the woke mob for his Long Duk Dong character from Sixteen Candles. They demand retroactive wokeness from the "uniformed" past.

  • @sol-hunter2332
    @sol-hunter2332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    The writer for Obi-Wan said in an interview she wanted to top the rogue one scary Vader scene. The problem is, Vader is scary for the inexperienced, and ordinary soldiers. He shouldn't be scary to Obi-Wan who already fought and defeated him. Obi-Wan also shouldn't be rusty. If his goal in life was to protect and eventually train Luke, wouldn't he make sure he is in fighting condition?
    And don't get me started on how they did the grand inquisitor dirty.

    • @GrundysChophouse
      @GrundysChophouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The Grand Inquisitor was my favourite NEW bad guy character. Guy playing him had some acting talent unlike some new 'diverse' actors who shall remain nameless.

    • @JanaenaeYT
      @JanaenaeYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Not to mention that writing for a massive world like this shouldn't be about "one-upping" previous outings... it's not a competition, it should all work together, damnit. No pun intended, but you shouldn't have to force anything.

    • @alesksander
      @alesksander 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@JanaenaeYT this... sometimes less is more... Kenobi should be character study about failed friendship and mentorship without direct confrontation. Period.

    • @diegofiggie965
      @diegofiggie965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      See, I don't think him losing against Vader was a problem of him being old and rusty (although he is), but simply that Vader has become much more powerful and that's why he's so scared of him. Even if Obi-Wan was on his prime, he wouldn't be able to defeat current Vader, who is the chosen one, has the highest midiclorian count, chada chada. The fact he is a burned quadriplegic in a robot suit doesn't affect his force powers (if anything, it increases them for fueling his anger and connection to the dark side).

    • @dimitarbojkov7893
      @dimitarbojkov7893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@diegofiggie965 The problem is that this breaks continuity since in A New Hope Vader talks as if he was weaker than Obi-Wan when the two of them met for the last time. If Vader dominates Obi-Wan in this one then the scene in Episode 4 won't make any sense.

  • @grandmufftwerkin9037
    @grandmufftwerkin9037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +257

    If you don't 100% support Kenobi then pure liquid bigotry flows through your veins.
    - Disney, probably

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      "Let the hate flow through you..."

    • @genmaicha.lapsang
      @genmaicha.lapsang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I will have you know that my veinous bigotry is solid.

    • @enalb5085
      @enalb5085 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I see people on social media commenting on Disney's ad for it "I don't know why people are giving the black girl such a hard time" like dude nobody is giving her a hard time its all lies. As long as companies like Disney have control of the news media we are going to be slaves. Disney needs to get hit with anti-trust legislation (along with others)

    • @iivin4233
      @iivin4233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@genmaicha.lapsang You need to consume less saturated bigotry. It can cause a heart attack.

    • @verindictus3639
      @verindictus3639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      - Disney, definitely.

  • @filiplarsson7727
    @filiplarsson7727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I was born in 81 and grew up with Star Wars as literally the earliest stories I knew. The Empire Strikes Back was complete sensory overload and the most completely engrossing tale I knew in my young life. It's so good, even nearly 4 decades later, it still grabs my whole attention and sucks me into that world. When I was a kid, I wanted so bad for the story to be real. I used to lay awake at night as a 6, 7, or 8 year old boy creating elaborate Star Wars fantasies in my mind until I fell asleep.
    Retconning the original trilogy is completely unforgivable. They may own Star Wars, but the story doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the people in whose minds it has taken shape. They can do whatever they like with the new trash they make, but retconning the original story is completely unforgivable. It is creative and cultural vandalism. They are literally stealing a mythology from us. The people doing this and writing this garbage aren't even Star Wars fans. They change the story at will because they never knew it to begin with. It means nothing to them. Even worse, they're doing it to make a social and political point. It's sickening.

    • @JoeMama-yd1ve
      @JoeMama-yd1ve 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I watched the final confrontation between Luke and Vader a million times and would play it out in the back yard and with an older neighbor kid all the time. I'd even get on the ground and writhe around, pleading for my father to save me. One time he asked if he could play as Luke this time and I politely declined. I can't comprehend how anyone that was a fan of the original movies can enjoy the disney ones. They weren't just poorly written. No. They deliberately undid every significant moment by each and every beloved character with a transparent political message specifically crafted to antagonize and provoke the fans of George Lucas's vision. And not a unique political message, but the same damn one we get in every single piece of media, so it's not just ranting and raving against woke sjw bullshit. It's exhausting and beyond old to see this messaging in everything. I would not be surprised if they made a new mini series about a woman of color who decides to turn off the trash compactor in "A New Hope," just to make sure we know that the droids didn't actually save the day. Shit, I just gave them a new bright idea...

    • @Jordo246
      @Jordo246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It's funny that you were born 14 years before me and yet we had the same experience with Star Wars, I endlessly watched the OT as a child and even liked the prequels because I was a child and didn't understand anything about writing or directing at the time but even so Star Wars meant a lot to me. It shows just how powerful of an emotional bond it has to with the fans that even people born decades apart like us still loved it.
      What they are doing with it now is nothing short of a travesty, taking established plots and and re-contextualising them into their shitty woke political pandering bullcrap world view destroys escapism. Every movie quite literally starts with "A long time ago, in a galaxy far away" and they fail to understand even this basic thing, ironically making it relate more to our real world makes the characters less relatable. I'm so sick of seeing beloved characters from not just Star Wars but any of these older big franchises being turned into cynical, broken and useless old men that need some shitty new usually female character to do everything for them.
      In my mind Star Wars ends with Return of The Jedi and it will always remain that way, everything Disney has done is nothing but shit tier fan fiction, actually no not even fan fiction because that implies these people are fans. Whatever this shit is, it doesn't count.

    • @Korschtal
      @Korschtal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Worse, it isn't even a true political point; they're trying to convince people of something in the hope that if enough people believe it, then it will somehow become true.

    • @Zenbuck2
      @Zenbuck2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Every soft reboot, spinoff, etc, drains the magic from the originals. Intellectual Product is all it's about these days, and no effort goes into creativity anymore.

    • @luishion
      @luishion 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      G/' g. Z

  • @adampeel6161
    @adampeel6161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    The most staggering thing is the general public seem to love this show, I'd say it's like 95% are absolutely digging it and are all "Vader is just toying with Kenobi OBVIOUSLY, you just don't understand Vaders character"

    • @thehoerscorral8565
      @thehoerscorral8565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      These are the people who think The Last Jedi is the pinnacle of cinema and the absolute peak of all SW content. What did you expect?

    • @jaimeruiz7837
      @jaimeruiz7837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thehoerscorral8565 that isn’t true, I know some people from work who don’t see the issues and think it’s a good thing.

    • @libertyprime6932
      @libertyprime6932 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@jaimeruiz7837 You say "that isn't true" then you immediately prove his point. Those people will eat up anything, they are the people who wouldn't recognize a character or continuity error if it smacked them in the face.

    • @thehoerscorral8565
      @thehoerscorral8565 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@libertyprime6932 lmao exactly, you beat me to it. He disagrees then agrees with me?

    • @SaviorCross
      @SaviorCross 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crack addicts love taking crack at first...

  • @slimjimpui
    @slimjimpui 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    "If you write a series where you have to wipe somebody's memory in a prequel... you probably wrote it badly" Threepio has entered the chat

    • @harlannguyen4048
      @harlannguyen4048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      R2D2 didn't get his mind wiped in Episode 3. It actually becomes important in Legends.

    • @coltonwhite2518
      @coltonwhite2518 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I can forgive that because droids in the Star wars saga do routinely get memory wipes or else they develop personality quirks and can become hostile. This was established all the way in the OT and was consistently carried over into the expanded universe.

  • @DirkusTurkess
    @DirkusTurkess 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    "Look how they massacred my boy" - Every fan of everything atm

    • @kenXtripleI
      @kenXtripleI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's depressing it's come to that

    • @fr0ck360
      @fr0ck360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      “Let’s fucking go!!”
      - Every Souls fan -

    • @chasehedges6775
      @chasehedges6775 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s just sad and tragic in the most horrible way.

  • @CllrP
    @CllrP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Remember the comment in a New Hope, “I don’t remember owning a droid”. You literally have one guarding your cave!

    • @Soyuz2578
      @Soyuz2578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yup... Theyre destroying canon one turd at a time

    • @Nightbreed24
      @Nightbreed24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lucas started screwing that up to be fair.

    • @manoz6194
      @manoz6194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't invest emotionally in works of fiction

    • @krald8421
      @krald8421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Nightbreed24 How, Obi wan never viewed himself as owning the droid, it was the Jedi's property not his

    • @fictiontheorizer1991
      @fictiontheorizer1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In fairness he had droids in the prequels.
      The habit of Obi-wan spiting falsehoods is not new to Disney.

  • @filips.6482
    @filips.6482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. - does this sound like a message from someone who had a memorable adventure with some years ago?!? I hate Disney

    • @whiskeyhound
      @whiskeyhound 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Would be funny if "Leia" turns out to be a body double and her parents didn't even realise the real Leia was still hanging out around their palace as a maid or something.

  • @ferrarriohh
    @ferrarriohh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    No one ever mentions this so I will:
    Reva… Revan
    So creatively BANKRUPT they can’t even name her and be original.

    • @fr0ck360
      @fr0ck360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Even Starkiller with Starkiller base…how original

  • @billybish1717
    @billybish1717 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The perfect British trio, a Welshman, an Englishman and a Scotsman

    • @_Dovar_
      @_Dovar_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...walk into an Open Bar.

  • @juusovuolle8251
    @juusovuolle8251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    From the interview with Morfydd Clark: "Rings of Power is more of a message to the patriarchy, and the old cultural guard. A message that says we are no longer going to play fiddle to a white man's vision. This uses elements of Tolkien and his story, but focuses on a sociopolitical statement of power and unity. The story was great, but had a lot of flaws. Now its time to bring the focus to the minorities and the LGBT community. This story is for everyone."
    Says it all pretty much doesn't it.
    There never was much hope. Only a fool's hope
    -Gandalf

    • @sillygoose9791
      @sillygoose9791 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If they don't want to "play fiddle to a white man's vision", why do they even use a white man's idea as the basis to jump from? Why can't the spreaders of the "message" make their own IPs?

    • @aw7400
      @aw7400 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They won't play second fiddle to a white man's vision, but they sure as hell will use that vision to make a quick buck. If you want to "stick it to the patriarchy" just write your own fantasy series where everyone is diverse and gay and you can tell whatever stories you want.
      Good luck making any profit off that, though.

  • @VespoLiveGaming
    @VespoLiveGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Maybe the big reveal will be that obi-wan found the younglings but intentionally left behind the black one to make room for grogu on the ship

    • @dianebrooks1859
      @dianebrooks1859 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Oh nooooo I bet you are on point somewhere in that

    • @aloaloings5596
      @aloaloings5596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I mean wouldnt you

    • @amanibob1416
      @amanibob1416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Alright I laughed, here's another like.

  • @thepeoplescouncil2619
    @thepeoplescouncil2619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    The reason amber can’t use bankruptcy to remove the judgement is because she was found to have committed actual malice

  • @GenMVeers
    @GenMVeers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    2:08 Johnny Depp Victorious!
    7:30 Tom Cruise - the Movie Magic vs the Real World
    12:25 _Obi-Wan Kenobi_
    1:32:48 _The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power_
    1:47:56 George R. R. Martin
    2:06:55 Superchats

    • @OliverHollingdale
      @OliverHollingdale 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you! Not all heroes wear capes!

    • @etme1000
      @etme1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and then there are those quiet heroes like GenMVeers...

    • @GenMVeers
      @GenMVeers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@OliverHollingdale You're welcome 🙂. I got my ispiration from the guys who do timestamp lists for *MooLer* and *Overlord DVD* (though I am _too slow_ to make as detailed lists as they do 😕). Oh!, it's 28 June, I'm going through some unread e-mail notifications from TH-cam, hence the late reply 😅.

  • @Jaymalkin980
    @Jaymalkin980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This is one of my favorite open bars so far. Good conversation with no one person dominating the conversation.

  • @Agiranto
    @Agiranto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    It's comforting to know that HER story is more important than the story of Kenobi...the TITULAR CHARACTER.

  • @bigorange2082
    @bigorange2082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That’s what happened in Legends. Ben was at a bar when a news story talks about this new soldier of the empire named Vader. Ben has a panic attack. He thinks he messed up by putting Luke with Owen and Beru. He meditates and talks to Qui Gon’s ghost and Qui Gon tells him Anakin won’t come back to Tattooine because he was a slave there. His mother is brutally murdered there. Tattooine is a place of pain and suffering for Anakin.

  • @chadalicious374
    @chadalicious374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    That anyone is surprised how this turned out given the track record at Disney baffles me.Let's be honest, The Mandalorian and Rogue One are the high water marks for Disney Star Wars,not because they are amazing works of their own but because they are simply just not as woefully bad as the rest.

    • @EmperorNero
      @EmperorNero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'd take 5 Book of Bobas over this. Yea Boba was bad, but at least they didn't make Boba a coward.

    • @chadalicious374
      @chadalicious374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@EmperorNero No,they just made him a useless and bumbling ancillary character in his own show.

    • @EmperorNero
      @EmperorNero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@chadalicious374 Useless yes, totally incapable.

    • @JanaenaeYT
      @JanaenaeYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My first red flag went up a few months ago, when I learned that one of the writers for the show was Joby Harold.
      He helped Zack Snyder write Army of the Dead...
      That was a pretty big uh-oh moment. :/

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rogue One was only better than TLJ. Name a single character in Rogue One that isn’t Jen Urso, and admit you only know her name because they say it 100 times.

  • @majorpaininyourgaming4788
    @majorpaininyourgaming4788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Reva is the perfect representation of THE MESSAGE. She want all the power without having earned it. She just thinks she deserves it.

    • @AkaiSuisei1776
      @AkaiSuisei1776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This would have been fine if she would fail and get admonished by Vader, constantly showing her power hunger and ambition.

    • @dire213
      @dire213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      reva is just the woke version of kylo ren

    • @MrJabbothehut
      @MrJabbothehut 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They had the perfect blueprint of female nasty inquisitor with Trilla from Fallen Order. They couldnt even copy her properly and fucked it up so badly.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dire213 I mean Kylo is still a white male ffs, how can he tell THE MESSAGE

    • @elsarabrook4273
      @elsarabrook4273 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One thing that bugs me about Reva is the ordinary look to the character. I first saw inquisitors in an animation, so they were stylized, interesting looking. She looks completely ordinary in a plain black 'wanna-be Vader' outfit. A bit of alien exoticness may have made her more menacing.

  • @TheSharkIsWorking_23
    @TheSharkIsWorking_23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    52:02 “They (Disney) haven’t fucked up Vader yet.”
    TROS, Disney took away Vader’s redemption of killing the Emperor and bringing balance to the force, by giving it to Rey instead. Disney fucked Vader/Anakin in 2019.

  • @spencerbean8802
    @spencerbean8802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    They pulled off the "cut off from the force" plot point in KOTOR 2, and it was executed brilliantly in that game. How the fuck did the writers for Kenobi fuck up that same idea so hard?

    • @dorianshepard2841
      @dorianshepard2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      guarantee none of these writers played that game or read any books written before 2014

    • @roadbone1941
      @roadbone1941 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're going to rape KOTOR too.

    • @fl4shblade
      @fl4shblade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      do you also remember that in that game someone asks what the force is like and all three descriptions are actually awe inspiring? "imagine waking up to the heartbeat of the universe for the first time...."

    • @spencerbean8802
      @spencerbean8802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@fl4shblade it's insanely good. It's beautiful. It's the best Star Wars story that's ever been told.

    • @thefool8224
      @thefool8224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      or like kyle katarn in jedi knight 2. who basically forgets how to use even basic force push

  • @thebreakdownpair1956
    @thebreakdownpair1956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Glad to see Disparu on here. His content is top notch and its great seeing his channel get bigger and bigger.

    • @Capybara2240
      @Capybara2240 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I watched one of his recent vids on kenobi a few days ago because I’ve seen hardly anyone speak up about how bad the show is and then a day later I see him on the critical drinkers live stream and it was pretty cool to see a smaller creator join this live, felt like the multiverse of madness but better

    • @skylx0812
      @skylx0812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Only just happened upon his channel. I was under the impression he was already a well established name. Certainly carries himself like one. Mazel tov, stranger...

  • @anon17472
    @anon17472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They so badly wanted to do a redemption story for Obi Wan, but he really didn't need redeeming.
    He was one of the only people in the galaxy who could hold his head high after the fall of the republic.
    He defeated Vader and cut him into pieces, he then selflessly went into exile for the rest of his life to watch over Luke.
    Why would he be so decrepit and beaten down? I mean yes, sure he'd have regrets over Anakin, but enough to completely forget how to Jedi?
    That was his whole life, he still had a mission to complete.

  • @bejeta7
    @bejeta7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    He KNEW Darth Vader in Ep 4. "He's more machine than man now". He KNEW Vader was Anakin in Ep 3. So there is no way you can make that scene work

    • @_Dovar_
      @_Dovar_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This quote is from Episode V.

  • @augustandjune
    @augustandjune 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    So, if Obi-Wan never heard of Vader on a planet frequented by criminals and smugglers, how did Yoda know Anakin survived? He was in exile on an uninhabited swamp world.

    • @djm122270
      @djm122270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Force, duh....

    • @dicedoom7162
      @dicedoom7162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      obi-wan told him

    • @laughingmask3118
      @laughingmask3118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Obi-Wan thought he was dead.
      He STILL thinks he's dead!
      In the OT he clearly disassociates Anakin and Vader, and he sees Vader as the man who killed Anakin!
      NO ONE REMEMBERS THIS SHIT AND IT'S REALLY PISSING ME OFF.

    • @dicedoom7162
      @dicedoom7162 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laughingmask3118 i thought he meant it as a metafore?

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laughingmask3118 Obi-Wan appears on Dagobah as a ghost to convinced Yoda to train Luke. Perhaps the ghost also told Yoda Anakin survived as Vader. We know he knows Yoda is alive once he is a ghost since he is the one who tells Luke to go to Dagobah.

  • @iivin4233
    @iivin4233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Star Wars has the most broken pieces of lore of any IP of its level of popularity. Star Wars' writing rivals comic book writing for its imbicility. The sad thing is Star Wars' problems as compared to, say, Marvel's problems, are so easy to fix.
    For example, the stormtroopers not recognizing Kenobi in this latest series.
    Have the stormtroopers recognize him but write the stormtroopers to be old clones. The region that the truck scene takes place in looks isolated. It's plausible that aging but still useful soldiers would be deployed there.
    I imagine the interaction playing out like this:
    The clones realize it's General Kenobi but without Order 66 being in effect they choose to look the other way out of respect for his war career.
    That could be a plot point to build the series on:
    Kenobi--with some senatorial help--wrestles away control of some of his former clone subordinates. Maybe Kenobi builds up a network of insiders to hide force sensitives, most important among them being Luke and Leia.
    Maybe the plan becomes to challenge Palpatine's legitimacy with Leia--peaceful Alderaan behind her, and challenge Vader physically with Luke.
    In this scenario the Empire's eventual destruction of Alderaan and capture of Leia would make them seem one step ahead of the good guys. The dueling plans of Empire and Rebel/Old Republic supporters would make both sides seem competent.
    Hell. If you wanted to subvert expectations in a logical way you could write it so that Luke is not immediately force sensitive. As Kenobi's plan expands Leia rises to prominence and Luke gets lost in the shuffle. Then when Luke grows up to save everybody and not kill Vader but convert him it is a triumph of the underdog and the power of the light side of the force.
    This would also have the happy benefit of subverting the idea that the force is genetic. Luke accesses it when he learns to access it. Leia doesn't end up accessing it because her political acumen becomes more important than combat training and centeredness.
    But instead we're given an Organa child who is an iredeemable bigot. This civilization that is is going to die in Ep 4, a writing team should spend time making it sympathetic.
    Instead we're given a story centered on the one character who is obligated to sit tight in order for the rest of the series' plot to work. He's made depressed and inadequate on top of that and his opposition, laughable.
    I do not understand why this had to be. Star Wars never violated The Message. It has always showed the triumph of diversity and even sensitivity. It didn't have to be sacrificed to make a point.
    The existence of a That Star Wars Girl proves that the series was good enough for girls as it was, it's universal success that it was already made for everybody.

    • @supergrovah2729
      @supergrovah2729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Dude, you just put more thought into writing than Disney did....

    • @fictiontheorizer1991
      @fictiontheorizer1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The clones never really did have personalities in the movies though.
      That was the whole reason Order 66 didn't send off any alarm bells for the group of trained empaths until they started dying in mass.
      Because the clones were just following orders.
      As for why they are butchering Star Wars? Sheer contempt towards anything not made by them, and a utter disdain towards the past.
      If they can't have the spotlight, no one will.

    • @iivin4233
      @iivin4233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@supergrovah2729 Thank you. That means more to me than you might realize.

    • @iivin4233
      @iivin4233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@fictiontheorizer1991Thanks for reading my long comment. It's awesome to be heard!
      Ah that is a problem then if the clones don't have an understanding of emotions like respect.
      Honestly though clone lore was just poorly thought out.
      I'd change it completely.
      My idea for the clones would be that they were a separatist project. The separatists would want a force of thinking automatons after what to happened to their drones on Naboo. Palpatine, knowing about this CIS project, could then seize the clones to save the jedi.
      What a coup for Palpatine. He not only appears to save the jedi (who the senate did nothing to help) but stole a CIS army in order to do it (an army the senate did nothing to deal with).
      Then in later movies Palpatine would use the questionable ethics of using only human clones to rally to his Empire all of the human minorities on all of the republic planets.
      Since humans have no home planet for protection it could be easy to convince them that they've been systemically abused. But they do seem to have a large presence on most planets so if Palpatine did concentrate them into the Imperial Army they'd outnumber species like the Wookies, Mon Cal and others who have less affinity for leaving their home planet and less reason to serve in expeditionary armies.
      I can empathize with those writers wanting to tell their own stories. I've been doing that for years BECAUSE of them.
      Thanks again.

    • @RM_VFX
      @RM_VFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'd say most of the new stuff is below comic book level. I actually liked a lot of the post-2014 Star Wars comics more than any of the sequels. They actually gave the legacy chracters some depth. The Leia comic showed she was a loyal diplomat who wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty, and would do anything for her people. Vader in his own series and Dr Aphra showed his obsession with finding Luke after ANH, and hinted at a desire to subvert Palpatine. I don't understand why they can't make shows from some of this stuff, they'd actually be better.

  • @Tomb_world
    @Tomb_world 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I think Disney writers just have the most incredible hubris and ego, if you think about it Ahsoka is a strong diverse female character. They should be going wild for her and putting her in anything. But because she’s a popular character that they didn’t make they don’t. Funny isn’t it.

  • @grandmufftwerkin9037
    @grandmufftwerkin9037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    If Drinker is exposed to direct sunlight he goes up in flames faster than a Guy Fawkes effigy.

    • @atomicdancer
      @atomicdancer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's more alcohol than man, now.
      Twisted and highly flammable.

    • @mcd22630
      @mcd22630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Alcohol is flammable.

  • @TB-zf7we
    @TB-zf7we 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I can not stand the stupid writing that has consistently come out of Disney since taking over Lucas. I watched in wonder in my youth when the first 1st Star Wars movie came out, but ever since Disney took the creative reins, I have gone from dread to cringe to hate of all things Star Wars, as per Disney.

  • @guyverjay1289
    @guyverjay1289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yoda LITERALLY gave obi wan training to do so he could become a force ghost when he died so the idea that he just cuts himself off from the force makes zero sense

  • @tombryski1087
    @tombryski1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I wish Kenobi figured out that Darth Vader is Anakin on his own, sensing his presence or realizing it in their confrontation…not through Reva; who shouldn’t have known his identity in the first place. That’s such a cheap thing to do.

    • @aw7400
      @aw7400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yup take away the big payoff for the main character and give it to a random nobody they introduced to this series just for the diversity points. Seems on par for Disney at this point.

    • @johnhoney5089
      @johnhoney5089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yoda already told him Anakin was Vader in Revenge of the Sith. The whole thing was pointless.

    • @chasehedges6775
      @chasehedges6775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnhoney5089 💯💯

  • @nullpexception
    @nullpexception 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Really happy to see Disparu chatting with you. I have been watching his reviews and I thought he would be a good addition to "the crew". Glad to see you agreed.

  • @BasicShapes
    @BasicShapes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    What I'm seeing is a massive years-long movement towards political gentrification of various fanbases. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Terminator, on and on. Nothing is off-limits to these people. They will take every single beloved franchise that ever existed and race-swap/gender-swap the shit out of the characters. Like a plague of locusts, destroying all forms of creativity and replacing them with bland, unoriginal, diversity-hire checkboxes until the "new generation" finally accepts all this as normal.

  • @TheVikingbob
    @TheVikingbob 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    We wanted "Logan" out of an ObiWan series and disney gave us... disney starwars. As it always seems to be, the one thing that could fail is what they've done with an idea.
    They could have given an on screen death to Asaag Ventress. We could have had Ahsoka. They could have brought in Crimson Dawn and Darth Maul. They could have had parallel stories of Vader hunting the Jedi and Obi Wan having to betray his ideals and fighting the darkside in his own dissolusioned self, intercut with flashback as they both dwelled on the mistakes of the past.

    • @dorianshepard2841
      @dorianshepard2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh look another Disney star wars show about a middle aged loner having to watch after a small child and the antics ensue.

  • @aranjenkins2627
    @aranjenkins2627 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The Vader Kenobi showdown was so utterly wasted in that episode.

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    @MukiMuki688 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

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  • @pauld6967
    @pauld6967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For the pop tart question: toaster (never frozen or raw), then break it in half, then eat the edges off each half, then consume the delicious inner portions.

  • @rickybubbles7350
    @rickybubbles7350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "stop that leia"
    Stoom troopers raise there heads at the name
    Obi-wan doesn't turn his head but raises his hand at the Troopers and dismissingly says
    "not that leia"
    Setting up Obi-wan being badass but also a slight interesting comedy moment 🤟

  • @RageDaug
    @RageDaug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The storm troopers they randomly ran into were supposedly walking around some giant prairie looking for Obi-Wan. First, that makes no sense they don't recognize the dude they are looking under tumbleweeds to find, but it made me laugh because it reminded me of the Spaceballs "combing the desert" looking for Lonestar.
    The troopers were let out in the middle of absolutely no where to look for a dude who is somewhere on the planet. So much of this series makes absolutely no sense.
    Mandalorian gave me faith that Disney wrested control of LucasFilm from Kennedy and unofficially gave it to Jon Favreau. But when you see the absolute lack of quality in Boba and now Obi-Wan, I can only guess Kennedy's back in charge.

  • @randell9667
    @randell9667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Leia going on this kidnapping adventure with Obi Wan should be a life changing/life altering experience, one she would never forget. It makes her later mentions of obi wan in new hope seem totally out of place and off.

  • @RM_VFX
    @RM_VFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "You take things too far!" "You don't take things far enough!"
    It's like poetry, it rhymes.

    • @11jerans
      @11jerans 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I say your taxes go too far!
      I say your taxes don’t go too far enough!
      -Futurama

  • @kamikazeoda9738
    @kamikazeoda9738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    About Obi-Wan Kenobi, it's obvious that the show is Kathleen kennedy's attempt to erase Dave Filoni legacy, eg. Reva killing the Grand Inquisitor. In Filoni's Star Wars Rebels, Obi-Wan easily defeated Darth Maul. That fight scene makes sense because if Obi-Wan was to protect Luke (The One) then it would make sense for him to always be prepared. If you are familiar with Filoni Star Wars shows, you'll see that Kennedy's Obi-Wan mini series completely veered off from the canon Filoni's already established.

    • @ghostfaceshillah4214
      @ghostfaceshillah4214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Im actually one of those people that like star wars rebels, and do you think kenobi is worth watching so far?

  • @CombatMedic00
    @CombatMedic00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I've seen people argue that, like Luke, Obi-Wan cut himself off from The Force blah blah blah. How long was Yoda alone before Luke showed up and he was able to train Luke and pull his X-wing out of the swamp? Obi-Wan was a Master too...

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So they're copying both The Last Jedi AND The Mandalorian.

    • @archstanton9073
      @archstanton9073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Degobah had an old Sith temple (the cave the Luke enters in Empire) on it which masked Yoda's Force powers.

  • @brunokagawa6287
    @brunokagawa6287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    The scene in which Obi-wan and Leia sat with the stormtroopers in the truck was probably one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen in my life. The level of stupidity displayed by both sides is unreal. It is almost as if the writers are trolling those who haven't completely turned their brains off. I mean, who wrote those conversations?

    • @Magneticlaw
      @Magneticlaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe HP Lovecraft did, from beyond the grave. While he created an amazing mythos, his skills at writing dialogue were hideous, but at least he knew it.....but these hacks don't, which is dangerous......

    • @bryant9774
      @bryant9774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They don't know Lovecraft's work. The only thing they know of him is his cats name.

    • @GrundysChophouse
      @GrundysChophouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Woody Allen?

    • @djm122270
      @djm122270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shut it, Bruno...

  • @SumDumGy
    @SumDumGy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That Tom Cruise “infomercial” was more him thanking people for coming to see the film and letting his audience know that they did the best they could to make a good movie for us to enjoy. It was great. It wasn’t really welcoming people back to the theater or anything.

    • @no_activity
      @no_activity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely started the film on a high point.

  • @117Haseo
    @117Haseo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kenobi: The boy has to be trained; Also Kenobi can't use the force because of the big sad.

  • @TheSharkIsWorking_23
    @TheSharkIsWorking_23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    First Luke, then Han Solo, Anakin/Vader, force ghosts, Boba Fett, the Millennium Falcon, and many more have become retcon victims under Disney. Now Kenobi, and this is last straw. Cancel Disney+, this is how Disney gets the message.

  • @kevinjackman4026
    @kevinjackman4026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good to see Disparu making the rounds!

  • @macjoe007
    @macjoe007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Exactly how could kenobi train luke when he's supposedly forgotten the force 😆 🤣 😂 😹

    • @Chirishman343
      @Chirishman343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      he'll start studying the night before obviously!

    • @vespenegas261
      @vespenegas261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      10 year old princess Leia taught him, obviously.

  • @supergrovah2729
    @supergrovah2729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Never been so anxious for an open bar....now I have something to listen to at work tonight! Thank you, Drinker and cheers!!

    • @TomTomTom87
      @TomTomTom87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      same!

    • @_pokies
      @_pokies 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope you get fired

    • @TomTomTom87
      @TomTomTom87 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aarone1981 cringe

  • @dorianshepard2841
    @dorianshepard2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    remember in revenge of the sith anakin and obi Wan try to force push each other but their powers are too equivalent so they each end up rebounding off each other
    in attack of the clones Dooku force pushes Anakin because he's substantially more powerful.
    that combined with the clone wars and rebels would seem to show that a force user can only manipulate another force user when there is a large discrepancy in power/ability

    • @santiag0106
      @santiag0106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dooku pushes Anakin after cutting his arm

    • @dorianshepard2841
      @dorianshepard2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@santiag0106 AotC Dooku zaps anakin with lightening which he also uses to pick up and throw anakin. He tries the same on the more experienced Kenobi who blocks it with his lightsaber. Later in the fight tries it on Yoda who reflects it back at Dooku who then reflects it to the ceiling "its clear this contest can't be decided by our knowledge of the Force" a clear indication the preceding events were ruled by each Force users command and understanding of Force techniques.
      In RotS Dooku force pushes Kenobi. Later in the movie Palpatine tries to zap windu who reflects it with his saber until Anakin stops him. Later Palpatine zaps an unprepared Yoda who immediately after force pushes Palpatine. Later in the fight he tries to zap Yoda again who blocks and tries to absorb the energy, but their equivalency causes them both to he rebounded by a force wave.
      In RotJ Palpatine effortlessly zaps an unprepared Luke who has no hope of resisting that power level.
      These are all occasions where knowledge/power discrepancy caused a different result based on who was stronger or more prepared. So do you have anymore copium to embarass yourself with?

    • @santiag0106
      @santiag0106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dorianshepard2841 your bible doesn't contradict what I said

  • @loreresearcher4386
    @loreresearcher4386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    An example of a good desert fight is actually Obi-wan vs Maul in Rebels, it was short but impactful, there was meaning and ended with the resolution of the Obi-wan/Maul feud and respect between them. Kenobi is such a bloody let down in comparison.

    • @joshmorales770
      @joshmorales770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      This was actually my greatest concern when Obi-Wan was first announced, that the series would find a way to undo the Obi-Wan/Maul final duel in favor of some ridiculous spinning-flying-backflip CGI fest to *improve* it.
      I didn't realize the endgame was simply to destroy Obi-Wan as a character on the whole.

  • @chronicles8324
    @chronicles8324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Get Disparu on more please Will, fits in perfectly

  • @0Fingolfin0
    @0Fingolfin0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    25:42 this was actually very well explained in the former canon books ”Darth Bane”. Force users create a force shield around them to protect them from other force users. Only when one looses concentration, or when an adversary is incredibly strong in the force, can that ”shield” be broken. The first case happens when Obi fights Darth Maul and is thrown back by the force, he had lost his focus because of Qui-Gon's defeat, and the latter happens with Dooku, who is much stronger than Obi, but weaker that Anakin.

  • @IRMentat
    @IRMentat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    boba fett was ruined after his mainline story had ended.
    all the others are being ruined either by removing their prior victories or by setting them up to be failures before their time in the spotlight, examples in point leia in a suicide mission on rogue1(then being kidnapped as a child and her adopted family running to a hiding jedi instead of their government for help), obi-wan going galivanting and "facing" vader before a new hope, vader CONSTANTLY failing to close a kill/victory despite being within a saber-throw distance of it happening.

  • @EnsignRedshirtRicky
    @EnsignRedshirtRicky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Kenobi bot 9s and 10s just passed 800 out of 980 total on Metacritic. The bots just using basic grammatical rewording to say the same four basic things, over and over. It is glorious in how fake it looks, and how desperate they are to pretend their show is good. The most obvious are when they needed a 5 / 10 to maintain the overall score of 8.0 - 8.1 and just used the same basic text "The show is perfect. Vader/Sheva are terrifying. Fills in the gap, and makes you wonder what will happen next with great acting. 5 / 10". I am not kidding. They claim it is the best show ever and then toss a 5 on it. Though it seems they are only posting one text review for every tenth score that they give it, and have started adding new phrases like "lots of references", "ties to canon and legacy". So Disney is really trying to sell these as real, regardless of how easy they are to spot (all Day zero accounts with a single review as well - which you cannot check on RT).

    • @Szpareq
      @Szpareq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      lmao I imagined someone being terrified by Reva

    • @thesaltmerchant4564
      @thesaltmerchant4564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sheeva lmao that’s so accurate

    • @thibaldus3
      @thibaldus3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's fascinating.

    • @skylx0812
      @skylx0812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Now, will someone please explain how the Yourube bots with the rack & butt pic avatars keep copying someone's post then paste it again and again?

  • @rmt1994
    @rmt1994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank God you guys talk about all the Kenobi problems. Social Media is loving it and it's so badly made.

  • @schwaaard
    @schwaaard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    It’s fair to say that you should wait for a show to end to judge it as it a whole, or to criticize a character’s arc. But if the character sucks, it sucks. We didn’t need to wait for the end of RotJ and Vader’s redemption to say Vader was a good character. He was a great villain from the first scene. Reva is a horrible villain. Doesn’t matter where the story takes her. In these three episodes, she has been a blight.
    When writing an arc, you have to be very careful about where you start the character. They have to be appreciated for who they are and what they bring to the story from the get-go, even if that dynamic changes as the story progresses. If you’re going to have a character start off as a criminal and gradually become a “good” guy, you can’t have them do anything unforgivable. They can’t cross the line.
    As Mauler said in a previous episode, had Vader survived, he would have had to account for everything he’d done. I don’t know that his fate would have been death, considering he was ultimately (and literally) responsible for overthrowing the Emperor, which was demonstrable repentance, but there would still be accountability. (This makes me glad he didn’t survive, because that would have just been an ugly affair any which way you look at it.) So if you want a really nasty bit of business to do something selfless and magnanimous at the end of their life, that’s one thing. But if you want to transform a character an have them go forward with a new life, they can’t be absolute turd muffins, or have some kind of warped ideology that they carry with them.
    But we know Disney does’t understand morality, and they haven’t hired competent writers who understand that sort of thing. Wanda Vision made it clear that they have no understanding of right and wrong, or accountability. They don’t distinguish between fantasy and reality.
    Reva, Leia and Kenobi have been insufferable for these three episodes. They didn’t need to be. To quote Han Solo, “No reward is worth this”.

    • @OsellaSquadraCorse
      @OsellaSquadraCorse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      To use (and given admittedly a far longer arc) an example: Londo Mollari from Babylon 5, a character can go full villain, but it was shown that he was well-intentioned but misguided and prideful, yet initially 'good' beforehand, making his attempted reversal still sympathetic, despite initiating genocide... That, is how to develop a character. Even a dream premonition inadvertantly turning a character "bad" (e.g. Vader) can be done well (witness Lorgar and Magnus from 30k, hell even Horus & Curze still comes across as sympathetic...) The problem with Vader is that Revenge of the Sith was shit, badly- written appalling dialogue that weakened his character and premise, and has only become worse since. This was the chance to make him a powerful, smart, dominating character; instead of a whiny emo dickless amputee in a robot suit. They needed to play UP the fear factor among his own side, not among the populace. That may yet happen, but based on what's happened in the past 20 years, very little hope of them understanding that. Intimidation comes from competence, not from thrashing weaklings. Vader is a commander, not a petty bully by A New Hope.

    • @evertonporter7887
      @evertonporter7887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have they done a Star Trek Picard on Obi-Wan LOL... 🤣 🤣? All this criticism just makes me want to watch it all the more.

    • @JoshuaKevinPerry
      @JoshuaKevinPerry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except that Lucas film would have forgotten about Vader crimes

  • @scottmcginn2169
    @scottmcginn2169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    To be fair on the powerless Obi Wan, an easy explanation, and one that would have made more sense, was that Obi Wan had disconnected from the force (as characters have done in other Star Wars literature), as a way to stop other force sensitives such as Vader and Palpatine from finding him, as a way to protect Luke.
    Yeah, the fact he had no idea who Vader was made no sense. The fact Reva had to tell him was utter nonsense.

  • @BBDragon66
    @BBDragon66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Vader force lifts Kenobi and laughingly says, " It appears you have the high ground again!"

  • @nealsterling8151
    @nealsterling8151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I actually think, Disneys plans are much more sinister.
    They are not just satisfied with humiliating Obi Wan and Vader, they will show how much better Leia is compared to Luke and that SHE would had been the much better choice to become a Jedi.

  • @JSPena
    @JSPena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Seriously though; the Pirates films are way more darker and adult than I remember.

    • @fictiontheorizer1991
      @fictiontheorizer1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The first is a classic and the second is okay. I'm partial to Stranger Tides, but that's a personal preference.
      'Dead Man Tell No Tales' is a bit of a mess and At The World's End is a long boring political 'drama' that relys on spontaneous plot developments and handwaved story telling.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The first one has rape, a dude getting his face blown off point blank, zombies slitting throats and out-right murder.
      It's a great trilogy.

    • @fictiontheorizer1991
      @fictiontheorizer1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jonbaxter2254 The essence of a classic right there. Everyone must suffer.
      Seriously though, the first movie is great.

    • @JSPena
      @JSPena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fictiontheorizer1991 I think World’s End is… okay. It’s long as hell, and killing the Kraken offscreen sucks, but like Endgame they should’ve just stopped there.

    • @tigervalley62
      @tigervalley62 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JSPena: Fully Agree. I've said for years they should have left it a trilogy. Whether the 3rd movie was good or not is debatable, but it did conclude the story for a lot of characters up to that point, including Jack's. To quote Gary from Nerdrotic:
      "There are only 3 Indiana Jones movies. There are only 6 Star Wars movies. There are only 2 Terminator movies."
      Likewise, there are only 3 Pirate movies so far as I'm concerned. Mermaids in the 4th one was cool though, I'll give them that.

  • @gking2709
    @gking2709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Kenobi is irredeemable after he ran away while innocent ppl were getting neck snapped. No arc can undo that, eventually when he gets his power back everyone will be like "o gee thanks why the fuck couldn't u do that the other day dumbass"
    Edit: he gets full power back half way through the next episode

  • @jak3brap10
    @jak3brap10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I became a fan of mauler, Efap and drinker for what happened to TLJ and ever since, their content and discussions are always what I wait for whenever the latest Star Wars bullshit is released by Disney.
    I’m actually thankful in a way that Disney Star Wars pissed me off so much that I found an unbridled rage by mauler or else I’d never have found these guys. Appreciate you all, speaking for so many people! Love you guys (no homo)

  • @rocknroadley8440
    @rocknroadley8440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't understand, how does Reva know about Leia? It was literally summed up in a vague line where she says "I found a link in the archives between Kenobi and Organa." Really? How come Vader wouldn't have realised this? You'd think he'd be desperately searching for any leads and would have access to the best intelligence the empire had. Did he just overlook this link? And why would Organa even ask Kenobi? Does he not realise Kenobi is a very wanted man and him being involved could definitely make things worse? They really don't care.

    • @whiskeyhound
      @whiskeyhound 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The link between Kenobi and Organa is probably gonna be that they both knew Amidala, so Vader would know about that and it really wouldn't make any sense to kidnap Leia on the off chance that Organa just happened to still be in contact with some guy he met 10 years ago.
      Organa getting Kenobi involved is even dumber than just asking him, he radios him and then travels from his planet directly to a random cave on Tattooine that Kenobi's living in, surely nobody would ever find that suspicious.

    • @rocknroadley8440
      @rocknroadley8440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whiskeyhound Yeah I guess that's why I'm confused. All these remaining jedi are being slaughtered, Obi Wan doesn't show, yet they think kidnapping Organa's daughter will bring Obi Wan out from hiding.

    • @whiskeyhound
      @whiskeyhound 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rocknroadley8440 I'd give up trying to understand it from an in-universe perspective, since the writers are being pretty lazy and cheating, black inquisitor lady knows that kidnapping Leia would draw out Kenobi because the script requires her to know that, despite the script giving no real reason she'd have more insight than Vader into Kenobi's mindset and connections.

    • @rocknroadley8440
      @rocknroadley8440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@whiskeyhound Exactly, just as ridiculous as her having mind extract powers, something Vader could never use on Leia in 4 🤦‍♂️

  • @gusty9053
    @gusty9053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When they mentioned Luke being left unprotected my first thought was the terminator dark woke scene were Connor is removed from the franchise. I wouldn't put it past Disney at this point.

  • @Moonlightgraeme
    @Moonlightgraeme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Obi wan running away from Vader reminded me of Christopher guest in the princess bride running from the fight.

  • @kierstinschmidt2514
    @kierstinschmidt2514 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You young kids are very impressive. Drinker and Mauler, you have some very astute analysis of storytelling on your channels. You did a good job of picking up where red letter media left off.
    U2 Drinker. It’s nice to know that you can practice what you preach. I read one of your books and, and while genre fiction is not really in my milieu, it’s 95% better than everything else out there. You know how to tell a story . I’m surprised you didn’t lean a little more into Trevanian satire.

  • @papalaz4444244
    @papalaz4444244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Leia had adventures before Luke and she was a genius since age 10. That's all this is. This is the same tactic they keep repeating.

  • @chrisfisher4503
    @chrisfisher4503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to think that KK was just incompetent and didn't understand Star Wars. Now I know she actively HATES IT.

  • @Xardas80
    @Xardas80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man... completely different from Obi-wan v Darth Maul in Rebels. Now that was a freaking moment.

  • @MR-qs6dr
    @MR-qs6dr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's ironic that Disney is becoming the villain in a franchise they bought, soon they'll say lines like "I am the senate", "I'll make it legal", "Let the hate flow through you", or "What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon"

  • @GrundysChophouse
    @GrundysChophouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "We'll never catch him now!"
    In the Rogue One universe Vader, the empire would have EASILY caught Obi Wan, easily.

  • @erichtomanek4739
    @erichtomanek4739 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    In reference to actors' eternal youth:
    Adrenochrome does wonders.

    • @wakerobin9215
      @wakerobin9215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was thinking that too.

  • @etme1000
    @etme1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a great admirer of Sir Alec Guiness, and of the nobility of the character he created (whom he chose to create in a specific way), I find this humiliation of the Obi-Wan Kenobi character personally offensive.

  • @tylermoulton7294
    @tylermoulton7294 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This drinker gentle sir has such a eloquent way of talking ! Love the vibes from you guys and the Excalibur in your mind that take a good look at these shows, and cuts away the chaff

  • @kevingleeson3308
    @kevingleeson3308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The writers and director of kenobi are so out of their depth is not even funny.
    I actually had to Google the people making this to see if this was their first job.
    Fuck this shit. Every D+ show has been terrible. Mando isn’t a masterpiece, but it clearly has talent with genuine love of Star Wars.

    • @emhu2594
      @emhu2594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mandalorian isn’t good either. It is boring kiddie shit with a helping of extreme violence.

    • @chasehedges6775
      @chasehedges6775 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emhu2594 Mandalorian is still better than anything else coming out

  • @vibesdavis6489
    @vibesdavis6489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow! My first time listening to Open Bar. Great discussions my friends. Keep up the good work. Cheers!

  • @TheStacanova
    @TheStacanova 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When they brought Hayden & Ewan back, I naively thought they would make something of quality, that was a deep character study.
    Nope.
    Here’s the thing, it was dumb, but I thought the hacks at Disney Lucasfilm, might find some “imagination” or “creativity”.
    I know, these are qualities Disney Lucasfilm just don’t possess.
    Here’s some examples, of how they could’ve used Hayden & Ewan to tell some deeper and more interesting stories, that it seems they had no interest in doing.
    Dream Sequences.
    If you want Obi’s conscious to be tortured, that could be represented by Hayden as Anakin. They could have “conversations of substance”, that give us even greater insight into, get this, Obi-Wan’s “character”.
    Give Hayden a chance to redeem himself as an actor.
    Have Obi having a constant rematch, night after night with Hayden’s Anakin, since that’s how Obi would still see him in his mind’s eye.
    Heck have Obi dream of a different future where Anakin is raising Luke & Leia and he’s visiting them as Uncle Obi, had things gone differently.
    Written correctly, that could be absolutely heartbreaking.
    Waking Dreams
    Have Obi see Hayden’s Anakin while awake, they did this once & so far, with only 2 episodes left have done nothing else with it!
    They could’ve use this a bunch, perhaps have Obi wonder if he’s losing his mind from guilt or regret or maybe his subconscious or the Force is trying to tell him something?
    If you ever saw the show “Hannibal”, look at all the creative ways they used surrealism through the characters dreams and waking hallucinations, to tell deeper parts of the story, using the characters subconscious.
    Flashbacks
    They could do a few live action “Clone Wars” era scenes, with a little de-aging, instead Ep3 flashbacks, to tell us something about the character and have the theme of the flashback, work into the theme of that episode as a parallel or juxtaposition.
    Perhaps one with Anakin and a live action Ashoka, where Obi’s seeing Anakin be a mentor, like he was trying to be?
    A little creativity could go a long way.
    In order to do this.
    1. You’d have to want the Series to be about Obi-Wan, instead of Leia & Reva.
    2. The writer would have to care about Obi’s and Anakin’s relationship and make that the heart of the story.
    I think we all know, there’s NO WAY in HELL, Disney Lucasfilm would ever make a show around 2 White Male characters, even if that’s what they should have done, once they brought Ewan & Hayden back.

  • @wesheiser7531
    @wesheiser7531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I’m not as well versed as some in Jedi lore so I may be getting some things wrong, but in a new hope part of Leia’s plea to Obi-Wan is “you helped my father during the clone wars.” The clone wars happened before the events of this series, right? Wouldn’t a more effective plea from Leia be something like “you helped me when I was young.” As a matter of persuasion the more direct connection the better right?

    • @HooDooBrown
      @HooDooBrown 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's because they're doing their best to ret con previous lore to make sure their crap characters are front and center.

  • @HisNameWasCrazy
    @HisNameWasCrazy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I hope the series ends with Obi Wan having fucked everything up so badly that he has to get plastic surgery to avoid detection and ends up looking like deep fake Alec Guiness.

  • @thekingofhistory4360
    @thekingofhistory4360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    41:25 I honestly would have loved it if vader departed from his typical stoic and calm approach and while he was fighting Kenobi at the end of episode 3 just release all of his pent up rage in a massive rant about. Just everything about how "I was your friend and you left me to die" and "its your fault im mechanical monster" because this is the guy who made vader the big badass emotionally damaged and scorched badass he is. More than that kenobi was his master, his friend, his brother in a way and instead of saving him and brining him back to padames ship to at least try and turn him back to light or at least putting him out of his misery he leaves him to die a slow and painful death. I'm just saying there would be a lot of pent up rage and I'm not sure if even vader would keep his cool.

  • @gking2709
    @gking2709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Baby Leia has been using force run the whole series so far.. . idk why ppl think it was only in phantom menace

  • @emuman09
    @emuman09 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Since boba Fett show I've been slowly trying to not comment or get Into comment wars with people over how stupid that show was. I was thinking " it's ok I know it's garbage people can like what they like" but then Kenobi happens and it pisses me off that people's standards are so low and they love it. It's people doing Red letter medias rogue one intro but for real! ...it's insane. Go watch the reaction videos. " Ooh he turned in his red lightsaber". I feel like I'm eating crazy pills. It's good I have the open bar so I don't feel alone 😆

    • @natelax1367
      @natelax1367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      AT-ST AT-ST I go back and watch that video every once and a while and never fails to make me laugh. Same with the other nerd crew episodes.

    • @kevinoneil5120
      @kevinoneil5120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "I clapped when I saw Darth VAAAAADERRRRRR!"

    • @-.-.11
      @-.-.11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!!

    • @kenXtripleI
      @kenXtripleI 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I feel like I'm the crazy one for thinking is show is light years from being anywhere near good when it's really not.

    • @emuman09
      @emuman09 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@-.-.11 I clapped when he turned in his red lightsaber!

  • @thericksterdickster6456
    @thericksterdickster6456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really love the scene where Obi-Wan violently shits himself

  • @madison5116
    @madison5116 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think this show so far proves the Legends Novel version of his time on Tatooine was a FAR better story.

  • @koltonkulis4763
    @koltonkulis4763 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regarding force users force choking each other, Dukoo does it in Episode III to Kenobi and incapacitates him. Also, Darth Maul force pushes Kenobi twice. The EU explanation in Darth Bane and other stories is that Jedi and Sith can put up protective force shields that prevent each other from using the force on each other. However, if you are strong enough or can break your opponent's concentration, you can rip through their force shield and affect them.

  • @Last_March_of_the_Gents
    @Last_March_of_the_Gents 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Drinker: have you seen the TH-cam fan series "Astartes"?
    It has better character development, combat, use of "force" powers and somehow dialogue than Obi-Wan... and not a single word is even said

  • @jotun.616
    @jotun.616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ive had a lot of gray since my 20s. Also get the random ginger beard hairs. I think ging is a step in the graying process for beard hair.

  • @Destro7000
    @Destro7000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You can save yourself a lot of pain as a Star Wars fan by saying the only things that exist are the Original Trilogy and the Expanded Universe books, everything that existed before 1997.

    • @johnhoney5089
      @johnhoney5089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I liked the prequels, especially episode III. But the Disney stuff is getting way out of hand.

  • @TB-zf7we
    @TB-zf7we 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great point, Disney has purchased an infinite number of science fiction characters and a universe of story plots already written out, but NO they have to change all the plot lines and make sure that the story plots & character lines are the worst written trash since Waterworld. They might as well flush Star Wars in the toilet with what the are doing with the tools they were given.

    • @Super_Ammo
      @Super_Ammo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Waterworld was a masterpiece, you shut your mouth. XD

  • @tigoreonjames9702
    @tigoreonjames9702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think G.r.r Martin saw the game of thrones show as an out on the books. He told the show runners how the books end so he would never have to finish them himself. And no matter how badly the ending was handled by hbo. Im willing to bet its the only ending to the books we are going to get.

    • @dorn0531
      @dorn0531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was thinking the same thing. In his mind GOT is done & he can move on. That’s why he can’t understand the fans demanding the last two books, he thinks it’s over

    • @aw7400
      @aw7400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I still hold the belief that he saw how horrible the ending was received and decided to just not finish it. Despite the fact that all of the stuff in the ending was much more well established in the books.
      But yeah he definitely sees it as "well the story is told so nobody will care." Well he's wrong. People who read the books and didn't get too much into the series wanted to see the ending he designed told in his own words. Now he just doesn't care and he let his fans of 13 years down by refusing to finish the books.

    • @dorn0531
      @dorn0531 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aw7400 Good point. If people hated Season 8 that much, he probably sees no point. Either way, his attitude toward the fans is awful.

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I honestly don’t give a shit anymore. I’m so done with grrm. Even if he does write an ending I won’t read it. All of my time for fiction is devoted to Brandon Sanderson who wrote five EXTRA novels in two years because he didn’t have to go to conventions and appearances. He’s a much better writer than grrm ever was, anyway.

    • @kalasmournrex1470
      @kalasmournrex1470 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aw7400 seriously. In the books you can see Dany developing psychoses. In the show it’s just like “oh no, someone killed her handmaiden and the bells upset her so she decided to murder thousands of innocents including children.” In the books, I could see it happening.

  • @Davidguy57
    @Davidguy57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for introducing us to Disparu! I'm gonna start his wheel of time review as soon as i finish this!

  • @natetete1379
    @natetete1379 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What have you become
    More powerful than you can imagine
    Is what a real Star wars fan might have written